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Can anyone help? What am I missing? I’m seriously lost on this one.
trollflcopter, etc.
Seriously, though, because reasons.
Because the Tory approach is widening the gap between the rich and poor.
Because they’ve decided to vote unselfishly for the benefit of society rather than their own immediate short term gain.
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Because I believe that society should be a meritocracy, where your background should not hold you back in getting on. Reasonable taxation for the high earners who have already succeeded which is then fed back into education, support for lower incomes , infrastructure to improve the country overall etc. This then allows hard working/talented people to rise up and take the place of lazy/less talented people who may have just got a lucky head start.
Because the NHS, fire service , police etc are all socialist services which we take for granted that it's normal we all pay in even if we don't directly gain ourselves, we gain through the societal benefits it brings. I see little reason why this can't be expanded to other key utilities.
Because as Covid has shown, if we all pull together and support each other, (mutual aid groups, thank you key workers initives etc ) it creates a nicer tighter knit community, and just a nicer world to be in when opposed to the 'trample on anyone who gets in your way to the top' mentality.
But mainly just because I like the colour red.
Least worst viable option.
Because Boris Johnson/Teresa May/Margaret Thatcher/David Cameron etc.
Because they’ve decided to vote unselfishly for the benefit of society rather than their own immediate short term gain.
This.
And I'm not a ****.
Why do people vote Labour?
Because I watched too much Star Trek growing up and it works for them....
Decency.
Because they aren't selfish pr****.
If I do, it’s tactically in self defence. Tory administrations are always painful, even before they became a sick joke.
Just a blight.
I see little reason why this can’t be expanded to other key utilities.
I'd agree with this if the nationalisation of services (say, rail or water) if the result is free to use (like health and police services are). If we still have to pay-per-use, then the result to the end user is no different - the only thing changing is where the profit goes - into your pension or off your tax bill
Probably to try & avoid the cluster**** our country is currently going through.
Because they like to pretend they are caring, whilst viciously attacking anyone that disagrees with their vision of how everything should be.
Disclaimer, this doesn't apply to everybody, but seems to be a common trend
Workshy penniless angry bitter underachievers who blame thatcher for their woes & expect the government to give them free money.
Not very good best of bad alternatives. I can barely bother talking to tories these days. If they start trying to defend all these and all this I just have to burst out laughing. Corbyn's costed budget, supported by 90 international economists, would have placed British state expenditure at about in the middle of the European average. Obviously the RW press, the TIGS, Momentum and the FoI hammered him as an anti-semite communist and there are people who, irrespective of their class position, are happy to continue with that line of attack. Even if you think you've got a little toe up the class ladder scale and the consumer goodies and debts to go with it you still have to sell your labour power and you're just a little less dispensable than the cleaner and the porter, but not much. This difference makes you feel superior and thus loyal to the system that marginally elevated you.
Because I like the idea of a fairer society where the poor are better off and where everyone has access to the services they need, and that these services are of a decent standard.
Because of rule 1.
Workshy penniless angry bitter underachievers who blame thatcher for their woes & expect the government to give them free money.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Also, my wife's an immigrant, part of society that we will soon be dependent on to fuel our economy and provide sufficient tax income to fund our ageing population. And the Tories ****ing hate immigrants.
When I've voted fro them it's been because they're the Partly mostly closely aligned to my own political beliefs and generally offer policies I believe are best for the UK and usually best for me personally.
The hard left of Labour appear to be on the back-foot again now, so they might even start to win elections again.
Protest vote.
I see little reason why this can’t be expanded to other key utilities.
Water and power though are very easy to waste, and they are a very limited resource. People will leave lights on or tumble dry on sunny days or have lots of baths etc because they can. Having to pay for these things means you become aware of the cost and try to reduce usage, which benefits the world.
The same does NOT apply to health of course (despite what some Tories might think) because going to get that pain checked out when you think it's probably nothing could save your life and at the same time probably save the NHS loads of money as well. Drying your clothes outside won't. But turning your heating on might. So we should probably have a free allowance for utilities then pay for extras.
Lesser of two evils.
Politicians will pretty much say anything to secure a vote and then will quite happily backtrack.
Workshy penniless angry bitter underachievers who blame thatcher for their woes & expect the government to give them free money.
Because there are some people so self centred they think people who care about others and want a fairer society must be underachievers
My constituency is a near 50:50 split between Labour and Conservative, no-one else has remotely had a sniff for as long as I can remember. So I can either vote for the party that has been systematically dismantling the country for the last decade and instrumental in the act of gross self-harm that is brexit, or the only party with a chance of preventing them from winning that seat.
It's like choosing between a punch in the arm or a kick in the bollocks. I'll have the punch in the arm please.
Personally, I see the Tories as a bit like your disreputable Jag driving uncle. He's family and that, but he's a small minded bigot, a bit mean with his money, and an entitled bore. Whereas Labour are like your mum, she wants you to save, and look after yourself, and do the best you can, but really hasn't a clue.
As Cougar says, lesser of two evils.
given the results of the last election you should be asking why do people vote conservative.
I see the Tories as a bit like your disreputable Jag driving uncle. He’s family and that, but he’s a small minded bigot, a bit mean with his money, and an entitled bore.
And possibly a bit of a toucher.
Massive reason is that brand loyalty is huge in politics because that brand is felt to define the person.
Are you Labour or Tory goes beyond politics.
Policies are largely irrelevant. Look at America: 88%+ of Democratic voters support free at source healthcare and ending wars and they've picked the other guy who doesn't.
I voted Labour because of the influence from my Uni flatmates. I did not know much about British Politics in those days so just went along to vote. My flatmates were Labour (more of this), Lib Dem and Green.
They care about people other than themselves ?
Childlike naivety and media brain washing. Also not enough protein, probably.
As an observer of American politics, the thing that has most worried me over the past few years is the apparent loss of any sort of discussion or decision making around each party. In American, you're not supposed to choose rep or dem, you're supposed to be one or the other. People just organise themselves into tribes and there's no crossing over from one to the other. Brits can rightly be somewhat proud that that hasn't happened here (as an example, see all the northern Tory voters at the last election) and we need to be careful that doesn't happen.
So, please, don't resort to name-calling over this issue. Have sensible rational discussions. Otherwise we'll end up with a moron* like Trump in charge.
Anyway, the answer, I think, is that most people vote predominantly out of some form of ideology (however misguided) than self-interest.
(*Yes, I do see the potential hypocrisy of decrying name-calling before calling Trump a moron. But since Trump is demonstrably a moron I think it's OK.)
Yeah, flexibility is something that's being lost. I like to think I keep my options open.
A friend of mine is a paid up member of the green party and asked me why I don't vote green, given my values. The only thing that stops me voting green at the moment is the absence of a government that will go for any significant green policy - I will vote Labour as they're the most powerful non-right wing party (none of the right wing parties represent any of my views) and once Labour are in power I'll vote green or Lib Dem or SNP to try and influence the ruling party's policy.
I'd vote Lib Dem if they were more powerful than Labour and I didn't think they'd shack up with the a right wing party again. And if they got in I'd vote green or Labour or SNP to try and influence their policy. That way I have a government that I broadly agree with but can influence with my vote.
I vote Labour because I’m the kind of person who will put the shopping trolly back where it belongs or collapse the cardboard box before putting it in the shared recycling bin.
Tory voters do not do this as it is of no benefit to themselves.
I vote Labour because I’m the kind of person who will put the shopping trolly back where it belongs or collapse the cardboard box before putting it in the shared recycling bin.
Tory voters do not do this as it is of no benefit to themselves.
I ram my trolley into Skoda's
And throw my rubbish on poor peoples gardens.
Listen to yourself and then have a word
Because my dad did....
I ram my trolley into Skoda’s
And throw my rubbish on poor peoples gardens.
Listen to yourself and then have a word
i had a listen, could hear something indistinct then it became clear. ‘don’t forget to put the bins out tonight'.
thanks for the inspiration and insight.
Because they’ve decided to vote unselfishly for the benefit of society rather than their own immediate short term gain.
^This^ and what kiksy said - that was put far more eloquently than I ever could.
I’d agree with this if the nationalisation of services (say, rail or water) if the result is free to use (like health and police services are).
This belief that the NHS & police, etc are free to use has always concerned me.
None of them are free to use, they're just not paid for at point to contact. anyone paying taxes, National Insurance, rates, etc, pay for them.
What really annoys me are the arsebunions who live in the UK, earn millions and avoid paying tax on any of it then expect these vital services to protect and support them for free.
Most of which probably vote and support the Tory party and their policies.
Not a lot of difference between them when it comes to running the country on a day to day basis. Every now and then, though, the Labour party do something that's worthwhile:
Creation of NHS
Getting rid of death penalty
Legalising homosexuality
Bringing in safe, legal abortion (Liberal bill, passed under Labour government)
Sure start
Equal pay act ...
That sort of thing. Stuff that makes a real difference to people, makes their life a bit better. I assume the OP dislikes all these things.
Oh, and England only ever win the World Cup under a Labour government.
Water and power though are very easy to waste, and they are a very limited resource. People will leave lights on or tumble dry on sunny days or have lots of baths etc because they can. Having to pay for these things means you become aware of the cost and try to reduce usage, which benefits the world.
wait til you hear about petrol. Seriously the amount of people Ive seen recently just sat in their car idling for well over 5mins, much longer in other cases - not even hot days so excuse of aircon - some people just waste resources, doesnt matter whether they've paid for it themselves or whether they are rich or poor.
Every now and then, though, the Labour party do something that’s worthwhile:
Creation of NHS
Whilst I am in no way a Tory supporter (they are vile), I do feel obliged to point out that he creation of the welfare state was very much a consensus between Labour, Liberals and the Conservatives and each played a huge part in the creation of the NHS. It's only since the 80s where Labour and Tories have diverted to polar extremes on the NHS.
A very potted history: overall vision was from a Liberal, William Beverage, who wrote the famous Beverage Report, which was adopted by all parties. The education system was originally led by a Tory MP (Rab Butler) and the NHS was originally led by a Labour MP (Aneurin Bevan).
I can highly recommend this as a good read:
The most fascinating thing, for me, is how much the parties have changed over the years from the 40s when it all started. You wouldn't recognise the Tories in the 50s for example, campaigning for a GE on out doing Labour for the number of council houses they would build....
Because in the manifesto Mr. Corbyn promised he would address the following issues and I believed him.
A GREEN INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION
ECONOMY AND ENERGY
TRANSPORT
ENVIRONMENT
ANIMAL WELFARE
REBUILD OUR PUBLIC SERVICES
FUNDING
NHS AND SOCIAL CARE
NATIONAL EDUCATION SERVICE
POLICE AND SECURITY
JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT
FIRE AND RESCUE
DIGITAL, CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT
TACKLE POVERTY AND INEQUALITY
WORK
WOMEN AND EQUALITIES
MIGRATION
SOCIAL SECURITY
HOUSING
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES
THE FINAL SAY ON BREXIT
A NEW INTERNATIONALISM
EFFECTIVE DIPLOMACY
DEFENCE AND SECURITY
INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE
And agree with Mr. Smith about the Trolleys.
Sense of social justice.
Genuine belief in the old adage of 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need'.
Strong sense of right and wrong.
I'd also vote Lib Dem to try to stop a conservative.
I won't make that mistake again.
@footflaps
Book added to reading list. Cheers.
creation of the welfare state was very much a consensus between Labour, Liberals and the Conservatives and each played a huge part in the creation of the NHS
Fair enough, but I’d bet that if the Tories had won in 1945 it would never have happened. These things only occur under Labour governments. The one exception I can think of is Cameron equalising the age of consent - kudos to him, even if everything else he did was despicable.
I don’t think you can judge the Parties of 1945 by the standards of today. The entire country had just been through a terrible time together and the differences were much less pronounced.
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Because they like to pretend they are caring, whilst viciously attacking anyone that disagrees with their vision of how everything should be.
Listen to yourself and then have a word
The long and short of it is people's political leanings are decided, to a large extent but not entirely, by their life situation.
When you don't have as much money as others, and when you feel that you're at the bottom of the pile, you're very much in favour of redistributive politics, and that gives everyone the same opportunity to succeed, do better than their parents etc. Hence voting for working class parties that favour high taxation and a solid social net.
When you have money, and feel that you've worked hard to get it (whether you're deluded or actually have done so), you're less in favour of redistribution, generally, and want to keep hold of what you have. Hence voting for more right-wing parties that favour lower taxation and (in theory) minimal government.
That said, the recent incarnations of the Labour and Tory parties have thrown that into a cocked hat - for some reason the Tories have become obsessed with bringing government into the home, ensuring you don't look at naughty things online, don't parent in ways of which they don't approve, and so on. The Labour party's recent incarnation has been about bringing hard left policies such as mass nationalisation of essential infrastructure with imaginary money, and Uncle Jeremy who believe Nicolas Maduro is just a great guy.
Thank heavens, people can now vote Labour because: they're genuinely in favour of redistributive policies that help the poorer and in theory assist social mobility; they don't want a hard Brexit; and (finally, praise be), they just want someone other than the current BoZo and the amazing Clown Show in power.
I don't agree with the post above, I vote labour knowing that I'll be considerably worse off doing so.
To be fair without resurrecting the Jeremy Corbyn thread, the last two times were incredibly difficult. I no way wanted to endorse Corbyn but Labour were the only chance of removing our useless Tory MP and I know the labour candidate and he's a good guy.
Now Kier Starmier is in charge I'm hoping come the next election I'll not be so conflicted.