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so you’re more likely to survive than die.
That's ok then.
I've just tested positive for it, but my work doesn't know what the policy about it is anymore. Common sense says I shouldn't go in, but when they say to you "why did you take a test?", it makes you think they don't care about it anymore
Usual policy is like any other illness these days - ie if you’re not fit to be in work stay off sick. When you are, go back. There may still be a recommendation for 5 days away if you test positive but it’s certainly not mandatory any more so would come down to individual policy.
I work in an office where pretty much everyone can work from home on any given day if they want. If someone comes in with a cold I just think fair enough
I think it's daft. They can work from home, and they're ill. Why would anyone with a brain drag themselves into an office?
I know the answer of course. It's so they can puff out their chest and boast "I've never had a day off work in my life!" Perhaps not, but everyone else has because of them, the selfish pricks.
Back before WFH was a thing the rule of thumb I used was "if I go in, will I be any use?" and if the answer is no then there's no point. I used to see these bloody martyrs, absolutely rotten with a cold, sat at their desks bravely doing **** all other than mainlining Lemsip and Kleenex, a few days later and the office is half empty.
I hoped people might have learned something but no, they're all out their with their "breathing" and their "touching things." There are some who see others wearing masks as a personal affront. "What are you wearing that bloody thing for?" Uh, because they want to? Which really is the answer to the OP too, isn't it.
I think Ebola mortality is 25-40% so you’re more likely to survive than die.
I think you may be mistaken
As above, twice this year i've been in and we've had someone coughing, sneezing and doing the martyr dance, then i've caught something and been out of commission for a week, honestly, we had the whole COVID thing and now people are back on the 'if you're not dying' routine, we never learn anything in this country about large scale events, like banking, boom and bust, Covid, etc.
Is there any other disease known to man that has this property?
AIDS?
Many others before mass immunisation? Can you get the good kind of Polio?
I think you may be mistaken
And according to that article, that's taking into account early treatment. Which probably skews a lot of modern data, there's likely plenty of things which will almost certainly kill you if left untreated.
Aside:
Is anyone still using hand sanitisers in buildings? Noticed how empty most of them are? I visited the zoo recently, they've got dispensers there (at least some of which I'm fairly certain predated Covid for when entering / exiting certain areas). Every one I pushed was bone dry, I probably increased my risk of infection from all those buttons. I'm going to start carrying gel again I think.
Literally the 2nd sentence on the Wikipedia page says that 75% of polio cases are asymptomatic. It would have been easier to find that out yourself than type the question here.
And similarly, the Wikipedia page says many flu infections are asymptomatic (the cited ref says over 50%).
As for why people have such a derisive attitude towards those who report moderate symptoms as likely flu, I have no idea where they get this from, that’s the point of my question really. Maybe in some cases it is just a light cold, but quite likely many of them are a mild case of flu, especially if it’s in flu season and others around them are coming down with it worse.
The term asymptomatic doesn't mean the same as "mild symptoms". High incidences of people showing no symptoms does not define an illness as being mild.
Most people infected with cholera are asymptomatic. That does not mean that cholera is a mild illness which usually only creates mild symptoms.
The UN's World Health Organisation describes cholera as an "extremely virulent disease".
95% of people in the world cannot catch leprosy, and therefore develop no symptoms when they come in contact with it, would you class leprosy as a mild disease?
I've just tested positive for Covid. 🙁
Been in Glasgow for nearly 2 weeks, shared hotel rooms, driven numerous doctors and paramedics around on the various road races, been in bars and cafes and venues in general...
Slightly dry cough and a sore throat - same symptoms as the time I had it months ago which thankfully only lasted a couple of days.
Literally the 2nd sentence on the Wikipedia page says that 75% of polio cases are asymptomatic. It would have been easier to find that out yourself than type the question here.
OK. And what's it say about AIDS?
Odd that you only fact-checked the example which agreed with you.
95% of people in the world cannot catch leprosy, and therefore develop no symptoms when they come in contact with it, would you class leprosy as a mild disease?
No and that's precisely my point, so I'm not sure what yours is any more.
Lots of diseases can be severe in some cases and mild in others. This has been proven over and over.
You were asserting that flu, uniquely, does not fit this pattern, but can only cause severe symptoms. Due entirely to your faith-based assertion that any moderate/mild/asymptomatic illness (take your pick) cannot be flu, and your dismissal of any mild illness as "man-flu" ie fakery and exaggeration.
Maybe in some cases it is just a light cold, but quite likely many of them are a mild case of flu, especially if it’s in flu season and others around them are coming down with it worse.
This is why I thought we'd be scaling up testing for Flu (as well as Covid) going into this winter, rather than crossing our fingers and relying on NHS staff to perform magic if we have spikes of both mid-winter (a plausible scenario).
No and that’s precisely my point, so I’m not sure what yours is any more.
Let me remind you......
I said that influenza generally has, when compared to the common cold, quite severe symptoms.
You have decided to challenge that claim by throwing asymptomatic cases into the argument.
I am however sticking to my claim as it is imo a perfectly valid one. In the same way as claiming that cholera and leprosy are diseases with severe symptoms, even if most cases are asymptomatic.
What I don't know the answer to is why are denying a simple fact which most people accept.
I hoped people might have learned something but no, they’re all out their with their “breathing”
I hate when people do breathing.
OK. And what’s it say about AIDS?
Isn't AIDS specifically the severe result of HIV infection? It's not an illness in of it's self per se but a result of the damage done by HIV which doesn't always result in AIDS.
So no I don't think you can have mild AIDS (cat AIDS, the bad kind, aside) but it's a bit like saying you can't have a mild leg amputation because of diabetes.
In any case AIDS is definitely not a virus.
OK. And what’s it say about AIDS?
Odd that you only fact-checked the example which agreed with you.
Honestly I thought it might encourage you to do a little of your own homework, but as it seems too difficult for you:
Some people may have symptoms and worsening immune function within a few years after the original infection. Others can go 10 years or longer without symptoms.
It's so bizarre to be having a debate over this. Isn't it part of your everyday lived experience that people have significantly different responses to the same illness? Like when a cold goes round your friends and colleagues, some come down quite badly and others hardly at all. I know people can argue about most things on the internet, but how on earth can this be remotely controversial?
I said that influenza generally has, when compared to the common cold, quite severe symptoms.
No you didn't. You insisted that if the symptoms were mild, the illness could not have been flu. This is your original message I was responding to:
Flu always makes people feel crap. Which is why they say that if think you have the flu but when you look out of your window and see a ten pound note in your garden, and you go out to get it, you haven’t got flu.
Of course flu is generally worse than colds. But it's equally undeniable that flu can cause a mild illness, and frequently does, in many people.
I work in social care we're still required to test for covid if we feel unwell.
In any AIDS is definitely not a virus.
By that argument, nor is covid. They specifically asked about "disease" not virus. HIV isn't a disease.
You insisted that if the symptoms were mild, the illness could not have been flu.
No I did not insist any such thing. I made a general observation which you decide, for whatever reason, to interpret as an extreme position with bizarre comments such as this:
Why do you imagine that flu has some magical property that prevents anyone from ever having a mild case?
To which I responded with this:
To claim that the flu always makes people feel crap might well be an exaggeration but it generally does.
If you have a respiratory viral infection with mild symptoms which don't seriously impact on your day to day living then it is probably just a common cold.
If you have a respiratory viral infection with fairly severe symptoms which seriously impact on your day to day living then it is probably influenza.
Most reasonable people understand and accept those facts.
Covid however has changed that simple rule of thumb because it very often causes both very severe symptoms and very mild symptoms.
For that reason it is quite useful to carry on testing to reduce the risks to vulnerable people.
HTH although I'm not holding my breath.
I’m not holding my breath.
That would work to reduce the risks to vulnerable people. Probably more effective than testing.
To which I responded with this:
To claim that the flu always makes people feel crap might well be an exaggeration but it generally does.
If you have a respiratory viral infection with mild symptoms which don’t seriously impact on your day to day living then it is probably just a common cold.
ok it looks here like there's a simple statistical misunderstanding that underpins your claims.
The agreed fact that most mild respiratory illnesses are common colds, does not in any way imply that mild cases of flu are rare or that a majority of flu infections are serious.
Maybe 100-200 million colds per year, vast majority minor, some small number (maybe 200k?) severe. 6 million flu infections per year, 4 million of which are fairly minor (including asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic) and 2 million severe (up to and including fatal). Most times people have one of these illnesses, it's a cold. Almost all of the minor infections are a cold. Most of the serious infections are flu. But most of the flu infections are still mild.
Do these numbers seem implausible to you? If so, how? I don't claim they are precisely correct but think they should be in the right ballpark based them on the oft-stated facts that most people get a few colds per year, and about 10% get flu. And also, that flu is a significant killer whereas common colds aren't.
Since evidence has been cited that about half of flu infections are asymptomatic, what is the basis for your claim that flu generally makes people feel crap? It can hardly have done so in the asymptomatic cases.
what is the basis for your claim that flu generally makes people feel crap?
It is the same basis that makes me claim that cholera generally makes people feel crap. Even if the majority of cholera cases are asymptomatic.
HTH although I am still breathing easily.
95% of people in the world cannot catch leprosy, and therefore develop no symptoms when they come in contact with it, would you class leprosy as a mild disease?
You've just sent me down a wormhole of investigating leprosy. But, to answer your question, it's been suggested that modern cases of leprosy in the UK are sometimes confused with eczema, so yes! According to wiki, which is infallible of course. 😀
Fascinating stuff though:
Leprosy symptoms may begin within one year, but, for some people, symptoms may take 20 years or more to occur. Leprosy has a low pathogenicity, and 95% of people who contract M. leprae do not develop the disease.[9] Spread is thought to occur through a cough or contact with fluid from the nose of a person infected by leprosy. Leprosy is not highly contagious.[11] People with leprosy can live with their families and go to school and work.
If I can go to work, then I can ride my bike, even if parts of my body may fall off at some point. Armadillos can give it to humans, the gits! (Although we passed it to them first.) Red squirrels carry it, the tufty tailed little sneaks. I always knew there was something wrong about them.
Red squirrels carry it, the tufty tailed little sneaks
Isn't that lepto not leprae?
Fascinating stuff though
If you want more fascinating stuff ....the genes which make it possible for someone to catch leprosy are the same genes which makes people susceptible to Parkinson's disease.
Why is it that some people are now saying we shouldn't be testing for covid?
If we have some tests, there appears to be some clear benefits of doing so. So why not?
Also why do i see a lot of people go yea we were trapped inside over the covid period but i didn't isolate as i knew it was all nonsense. Surely its a case of your just identifying yourself as a selfish prick?
Also why do i see a lot of people go yea we were trapped inside over the covid period but i didn’t isolate as i knew it was all nonsense.
I think mainly it identifes that you need a new circle of friends.
On the upside there's probably more space for newcomers than there was in 2019
I work in social care we’re still required to test for covid if we feel unwell.
And unfortunately that seems to mean you have already been spreading it for 3-5 days before you started to feel unwell. Probably easier to track back your contacts in Social Care, but to the general person they cant remember who they closely interacted with for 5 days!
And unfortunately that seems to mean you have already been spreading it for 3-5 days before you started to feel unwell.
Not necessarily. People without symptoms are less likely to spread Covid. I am happy to be corrected if wrong but my understanding is that those showing the most symptoms are likely to be shedding far more viral particles and are therefore far more likely to infect other people.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/asymptomatic-covid-infection-may-be-less-transmissible-5324811
And unless recent research suggests otherwise I believe that most people with Covid won't/don't spread it. Covid's main vectors appear to be super-spreaders.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/10509
@ernielynch from your own link (you are doing what a lot of people do and mix up terms)
Before people exhibit symptoms or test positive for the coronavirus, they're considered “presymptomatic” and can still pass the virus on to others—even if they don’t yet realize they are sick.
“In our review, people with presymptomatic infection were as likely to transmit the infection to close contacts as those who had symptoms at the time of diagnosis,” the researchers of the new study told Verywell via an email. “And people without any symptoms throughout the course of infection can still pass it on."
It was always the issue during Covid that people were just not taking this in!
Yeah I wasn't claiming that "presymptomatic” covid sufferers cannot infect other people. Read my post again.
And unfortunately that seems to mean you have already been spreading it for 3-5 days before you started to feel unwell
Not necessarily. People without symptoms are less likely to spread Covid
In our review, people with presymptomatic infection were as likely to transmit the infection
Yeah I wasn’t claiming that “presymptomatic” covid sufferers cannot infect other people. Read my post again.
Yep you're right, absolutely you said people yet to exhibit symptoms are just as likely.
You absolutely didn't say you're less infectious when not displaying symptoms.
Sorry if there is any confusion. This is exactly what I said:
I am happy to be corrected if wrong but my understanding is that those showing the most symptoms are likely to be shedding far more viral particles and are therefore far more likely to infect other people.
I didn't claim that people without symptoms could not infect other people, I said that I believed they shed less viral particles and were therefore less likely to pass on the virus.
I also said that I was happy to be corrected.
My sister in law in the UK and my friend in LA both just tested positive for Covid, so it's definitely still out there.