[Closed] Why are drivers still driving fast or stupidly over B roads covered in ice?

Because they're stupid.

Errr, lol.

Why do folk drive so slow, if they can't drive in snow/ice they should stay at home.

because life is boring and driving like a loon is not

^^ is the username for ironic purposes?

should I change it to 'handbrakes'?

Because they are very good drivers and therefore physics and road traffic law don't apply to them. 🙄

Would you believe that after a campaign to target mobile phone using drivers in Portsmouth Hampshire roads police are getting comments on twitter about real criminals 🙄 although nice to see so many coming out in support too.

Because they are on winter tyres and think they can?

Darwinism,a few less crap drivers on the road tomorrow..

Probably the same people who drive dark grey coloured cars with no lights on. On the grey road. Against the grey sky.

should I change it to 'handbrakes'?

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Why are drivers still driving fast or stupidly over B roads covered in ice?

Frankenstein

Seriously can they not see it?

Drove into work counting ditched cars on one hand...

Did you stop and conduct a survey with each one of the ditched drivers and ask what had contributed to their crash? Perhaps they were rear wheel drive? I have it on good authority that a rwd car will, without any provocation, steering, throttle, brake, camber or otherwise....spin you into a ditch if you dare drive one in winter.

Anyway I'd rather they thoughtfully ditch their car in a field along some B road as opposed to bring an entire city to a grinding halt by spinning out on a minor gradient on a busy arterial route.

So they don't get stuck behind molgrips?

It doesn't matter if you have winter tyres, 4 wheel drive and / or snow driving skills if some num nut gets themselves stuck in an inch of snow and blocks the traffic you'll not be going anywhere. That's why I leave at 6am on snow days to avoid them.

Darwinism,a few less crap drivers on the road tomorrow..

And a few innocent victims as well I imagine.

Because they are only "making progress"

Not for very long... 😉

Why are you driving one handed in such awful conditions?

I can accelerate out of the skid!!
Its only a company car and has loads of air bags if i do crash..

They will just be really good drivers, probably got a F1 jacket and everything, normal rules don't apply to them because rules are for stupid people who can't drive properly.

You people HAVE to drive? Every day? How very RURAL.

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Anyone see this? I wonder if excess speed was involved or whether they just got into a slight slide at just the wrong point, bumping up and over the pavement with just enough momentum to teeter over the edge

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Why are drivers still driving fast or stupidly over B roads covered in ice?

The national IQ rises as more idiots self-cull?

The Edinburgh one is a harsh lessom in reality. I'd say he was turning right to go back round the square to find a spot hit the ice then that's it you're a passenger. The kerb there is very low so easy to mount. Some will say too fast others will say nothing the driver could do on sheet ice.

Why are drivers still driving fast or stupidly over B roads covered in ice?
... Drove into work counting ditched cars on one hand...

OK, first off, how do you know they were driving fast if they were ditched? Secondly, should you not have been concentrating on where you were going and not counting cars? That's the kind of behaviour that causes accidents (like driving into a ditch).

And that, my internet friends, is called a swictheroo 😀

I drive faster than everybody else in snow because they're muppets and they're getting in my way. I am very important so I need to get to work and, er, go on STW.... oops.

My need is greater.

Because Dorifto.

Everyone knows going sideways is waaaay more fun.

YOLO and all that.

Probably didn't have winter tyres. Anyone else on here use them? What do you think? Snow chains or snow socks? What do you think? Winter tyres on all four or just the driving wheels or non driving wheels. Should you turn into the skid or just floor it. I turn off my traction control in November, what do you do? My diesel estate gets 1100mpg on the motorway but only 25mpg in town ( with 7 bikes velcro-ed to the roof).

Sorry, have we covered these topics before?

Mildly annoyed this morning to look outside and see a bit of snow where we live and also that it had been below freezing last night. No bike commute today then.

A very exiting car journey then commenced, first as I was sat in a queue for a level crossing a very nice jag ends up on my right as he needed to avoid my bumper. Then I came across a bike commuter, extremely brave I thought to myself, perhaps I was being too rash. Anyway ended up following the guy for a mile, maybe two (not safe to pass so just sat there). Eventually he decides he wants to wave me past, its still not safe so I still stay there. He instantly goes down, I stop a few feet from him. He gets up, gets himself on the pavement and seems fine, he gives me a thumbs up. To my eternal shame I didn’t stop and put the bike on the car and drive him to where he was going.

I hope he made the rest of his journey in one piece, please be careful out their everyone

(Not that its relevant but he had lights/yellow top, helmet etc)

Drove into work counting ditched cars on one hand...

May be they were driving one handed.

luketracey

Then I came across a bike commuter, extremely brave I thought to myself, He instantly goes down

Probably a rear wheel drive bike on summer tyres.

onehundredthidiot - Member
The Edinburgh one is a harsh lessom in reality...some will say too fast others will say nothing the driver could do on sheet ice.

scaredypants - Sanctimonious git
Seat Leon Cupra
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Every winter I say the samething- its not snow and ice that scares me, its other drivers.

Couple of weekends ago -on the long road along the top of Mam Tor - the other lane had 50% ice/slush/snow and the offside (of their side) was tarmac yet almost every car was doing close to 50. If I'd have been swipped/taken out with them it'd been an interesting conversation.

Just past a bloke next to his Avensis which was pointing up in the air from a ditch. No idea how he did it road wasn't that slippy.

I think my favourite manoeuvre of the morning was the white van who decided to overtake the car that was overtaking me on my bike so we were three abreast on a two lane road. Superb skillz.

Probably didn't have winter tyres. Anyone else on here use them? What do you think? Snow chains or snow socks? What do you think? Winter tyres on all four or just the driving wheels or non driving wheels. Should you turn into the skid or just floor it. I turn off my traction control in November, what do you do? My diesel estate gets 1100mpg on the motorway but only 25mpg in town ( with 7 bikes velcro-ed to the roof).

Octavia?

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look outside and see a bit of snow where we live and also that it had been below freezing last night. No bike commute today then.

I have these [url= http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/TYSCSNST/schwalbe-snow-stud-wired-tyre ]Schwalbe Snow Stud[/url] and pretty much think the opposite. Snow = definite bike commute!

I have been comutting on my bike through the snow not massively difficult I do have my spiked tyres on but only ran on reduced pressure once. My son is getting to nursery no issues on a balance bike I have seen more losses of control from car drivers than him.
Generally it is just Dunning-Kruger in action but most car driving brings that out.

I'm getting bored with these threads now, everyone's an expert, infallible driver until they come a cropper of course...

Of course it could never happen to an STW big hitter...

andy8442 - Member
Probably didn't have winter tyres. Anyone else on here use them? What do you think? Snow chains or snow socks? What do you think? Winter tyres on all four or just the driving wheels or non driving wheels. Should you turn into the skid or just floor it. I turn off my traction control in November, what do you do? My diesel estate gets 1100mpg on the motorway but only 25mpg in town ( with 7 bikes velcro-ed to the roof).

Sorry, have we covered these topics before?

It's going to be a wee bit chilly for another couple of months yet so expect more fascinating tales from the road warriors...

this thread needs more pictures of X5's in ditches.
A Q7 on it roof would be freaking ace but maybe thats asking too much

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this thread needs more pictures of X5's in ditches.
A Q7 on it roof would be freaking ace but maybe thats asking too much

I can do a mix of both.....

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I'm getting bored with these threads now, everyone's an expert, infallible driver until they come a cropper of course...

Of course it could never happen to an STW big hitter...

I think I can answer this question quite capably. Ok its early am just after the bottom of Rushops Edge. Heres a pic of the road as it starts to dip/drop down- its probably about -5 at this stage and you can clearly see its heading down towards a fog bank 100m's ahead. I'm doing about 25mph (its a 50 limit). A bloke in a newish black Audi A3 with really shit number plates comes up behind me (doing probably what you would do on a Summers day) then overtakes- he narrowly missed a Landrover Defender coming the other way. It was really quite close. At no point did I accelerate to teach him a lesson- I hit my horn to warn him about what he about to do- but he still did it.

So you see its not rocket science- DRIVE SLOWLY.

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But Hora, he was driving an Audi Quattro so he doesn't need to worry about adverse conditions.

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Ah yes, a superior vehicle with TC, EPS, ABS etc. All killer-acronyms designed to enhance your awesomeness at the wheel and devolve you of any sort of sense. Rubber tyres are rubber tyres- no matter what you put above them they let go eventually and spectacularly like anything else.

Rubber tyres are rubber tyres- no matter what you put above them they let go eventually and spectacularly like anything else.

In fairness this is a very steep hill with a sharp offcamber bend on it, people even crash on it in normal conditions
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Think Hora nails it - felling all smug and protected in their 20 airbag ABS blah blah blah car.

In fairness this is a very steep hill with a sharp offcamber bend on it, people even crash on it in normal conditions

[i]Hello wife, hmm don't expect me home yet. No I can't say why or explain. Ok ok there was a massive earthquake that flipped my car and only my car upside down. No one elses, honestly. [/i]

A road from Ilkeston to Nottingham not gritted last night, covered in mix of snow, slush and ice. I was leaving a big gap between me and the car in front approaching a stationary queue of traffic so slowed down to let a car out of a side road.

Cue much beeping of the horn from the asshat in the Picasso behind me inches from my rear bumper, peering through the letterbox in his windscreen.

I don't know if he really thought his aggression would cause me to drive through the stationary traffic at a speed that suited him better.

Wife's car yesterday.

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Black peugeot (just visible) coming down hill to junction couldn't stop. *sigh* Written-off probably.

Darn. Civics of that era are good cars too 🙁 1.4?

Some creative parking spotted last weekend:
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Darn. Civics of that era are good cars too 1.4?

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http://theoatmeal.com/blog/seattle_snow

Every winter I say the samething- its not snow and ice that scares me, its other drivers.

your recent posts are making a lot of sense Hora....are you feeling ok?
or is it me?? 😯

Last winter on Snake Pass- if your coming from Glossop way- just after the long drag up and after you've crested the top section where everyone parks. On that descent down towards the treelined section theres often a very thin line of ice, probably about 1ft wide across the road-all in a straight line- its where water has drained from the land and runs across. Anyway last winter it claimed two cars that I saw - one drove over it and continued straight .... into a square-mesh bail of rubble. This happened inbetween me going to a ride and driving back - conditions were great. The driver obviously just panicked.

(Sameplace) The second time the car was further down the road on its roof.

a thin slither of ice did that. Amazes me.

We have to cycle on the roads with these people.

Gonzy- when it comes to winter driving I've no humour 🙁

Because people are buffoons with a sense if entitlement and invincibilty. There's no frickin hope for the future either - I was passed by a driving instructor on his way to his next gig doing a regular 30 on black ice near the school. He's got skillz though, so black ice doesn't affect him.

neighbour got a fright last week on the school run (with my son in car) when her awesome 4wd X1 skidded when she braked to give way at a roundabout....'no one ever comes round to that exit and my 4WD shouldn't skid in the snow'..... I think iaincjnr and his mate were actually hoping for a slow speed collision so she'd have to get out the car in her Onesy and wellies 🙂

I don't have anything creative to add...but glad my T5 has a manual handbrake 😀

My car is rear wheel drive (my first and last in colder countries).

Drive slowly today but did a hardish stop at 20 mph when nobody was around on my street and the car just glided... I drive to work at 35 mph on the B road with other drivers doing the same (driving safely and not braking on ice).

Tempted to get winter tyres after today's drive but will they work on ice???

Everyone watched the Rally last week and now swear they're as good as Ogier and Loeb etc but bet they didn't watch the sections where they slowed to about 10mph round some of the icy bends.
What really grips me is idiots in 4x4s who yes may have more grip for traction but don't have a clue that to slow there 3tonne behemoths that it will still take them a greater distance to stop in ice/snow.
I did my Police Advanced driving course in an icy December and January ( and the intemediate course did ditch their car on one particularly bad day). I am confident through that driving course that I can drive in such conditions, however despite having an 4motion car of my own, I chose not to drive anywhere in any vehicles today.....I had no real need to and stuff can always wait until tomorrow, plus they're my vehicles now...........and therin lays part of the problem in people's driving psyche, a lot of cars are company cars etc that the drivers really don't give a toss about bending as someone else has said they will be okay in their faux 5 encap rated Audi etc etc etc.

Ok, early Sunday morning I had to drive back to Manchester from Sheffield. Snake Pass was closed but I fancied having a look. It was 90% clear but being Snake and freezing/under trees etc I decided there would be black ice so stayed under 30mph.

Anyway I was passed by a bloke on a very old Suzuki(?) touring/sportsbike bike at speed.

I've seen it all now.

I saw a fair few abandoned cars- lots of them with one of the windows smashed. I'm guessing thats someone in a 4x4 stealing?

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Again this morning, mrs_oab just called to say that she has stopped to calm her nerves after not one, but two cars did not stop exiting a side road onto main A-road she commutes on. Apparently after they stopped by using the verge opposite, causing all sorts of emergency stopping on the main road, they commented that it was the councils fault as the road still had ice on, and how were they expected to know it was slippery on a -2, damp morning?

Just past a bloke next to his Avensis which was pointing up in the air from a ditch. [s]No idea how he did it road wasn't that slippy[/s]. [b]You are unlikely to end up there, when driving at a restrained speed due to the ice.[/b]

I can't laugh about this- years ago I was having fun in a MX5 in the middle of winter sliding around. Stopped messing and decided to drive off into town.... sailed straight past the stop line of the give way for about 3metres.

That woke me up. Luckily it was a deserted area in the early morning.

Whether it's the Monday rush, or just the Can't Be Ar$ed factor, but saw loads of drivers in Capt Nemo mode, peering through portholes in the windscreens. Oh, for a warrant card and a couple of hours!

they commented that it was the councils fault as the road still had ice on, and how were they expected to know it was slippery on a -2, damp morning?

About 25yrs ago there was a big pie up in fog on the M4, one of the drivers involved was being interviewed on the news and said that 'they didn't know it was foggy as no one had activated the matrix signs to tell them that it was foggy' 🙄

....and if you lift off to give a big enough space infront you get people squeezing in from the left and morons actively punishing you for daring to stay in lane for 1second longer than you should.

lol I get that too Hora, leave a safety space and it's automatically a sign for cut me up.

Typically snowed last night, wish I did buy winter tyres now.

I was out on the tandem with the missus the other week and had to stop as it was to icy to ride on the highest road on Mendip .We flagged down cars as it was like glass a nd a young lad had bent his car round a telegraph pole .The highlight was the posh sounding bint in an X5 ,probably called Felicity who whilst skidding down the road opened the window and said "whats the problem why are you waving me down "
Dont think she had been told because its icy and you are driving like a c**t befre

^ to be fair it's not the kind of expression that regularly features at school run time