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Generally have a can of diet coke or whatever at least every day, but I keep remembering that on here I've seen a couple of people say that they are just as bad as the full fat version. Why is that? They have no calories, no sugar!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy
critics such as activist Betty Martini have promoted claims, undocumented in the medical literature, that numerous health risks (such as multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, methanol toxicity, blindness, spasms, shooting pains, seizures, headaches, depression, anxiety, memory loss, birth defects and death[6]) are associated with the consumption of aspartame in normal doses. These health risk claims have been examined and debunked by numerous scientific research projects, and are also generally dismissed by governments and major health and food safety organizations
Aspartame has been found to be safe for human consumption by more than ninety countries worldwide,[12][13] with FDA officials describing aspartame as "one of the most thoroughly tested and studied food additives the agency has ever approved" and its safety as "clear cut".[4] The weight of existing scientific evidence indicates that aspartame is safe as a non-nutritive sweetener.[7]
[quote=emsz ]on here I've seen a couple of people say that they are just as bad as the full fat version
And everything on here is correct?
The sweetners used are worse than sugar. They are, supposedly, a major cause of cancer.
[quote=logical ]The sweetners used are worse than sugar. They are, supposedly, a major cause of cancer.
See what I mean?
the fizz helps decay the enamal off your teeth anorl
they make you fat
never seen a thin person drinking diet coke have you? 😉
never seen the point of replacing a natural food [ if refined] with something man made and calling it healthier - guess that is marketing for you.
No idea re long term risks but it seems odd to decide this is healthier
swavis has it. fcat.
So there isn't anything I should be worried about, apart from the normal "oh noes, cancer/ aids" stuff that the papers are full of, that are mostly crap anyway
They'll make you fart. Loudly.
FWIW, I prefer the taste of diet coke over the ordinary one.
The sweetners used are worse than sugar.
Not if your diabetic .
Manufacturers are starting to drop the word 'diet' and replace it with 'sugar free'. When you taste artificial sweeteners your body wants the calories that taste promises so people who drink sugar free drinks have an increased appetite and will eat more as a result.
[i]The sweetners used are worse than sugar.[/i]
In what way?
Druidh, me too and I know I should drink water, but it doesnt taste nice
When you taste artificial sweeteners your body wants the calories that taste promises so people who drink sugar free drinks have an increased appetite and will eat more as a result.
Myth?
Or fact?
Got any evidence?
[url= http://www.channel5.com/shows/50-shocking-facts-about-diet-and-exercise ]a tv programme on channel 5[/url] the other night seemed pretty clear on the subject, categorically stating that aspartame is carcinogenic and fattening..
doesn't bother me cos I like my sugar to be made of sugar
As a child, I honestly thought 'sugar free' meant they weren't charging you for that particular ingredient.
They make you a bit gassy, maybe not so bad for you but not so great for everyone else
a tv programme on channel 4 the other night seemed pretty clear on the subject, categorically stating that aspartame is carcinogenic and fattening..
Any science/scientists involved?
You can't beat a can of full-fat coke with fish n chips.
[i] so people who drink sugar free drinks have an increased appetite and will eat more as a result.[/i]
Really? I use it to fill me up so I don't have to eat!!
They'll make you fart. Loudly.
They make me belch like a bull walrus.
Each to their own.
a) The aspartine is bad for you and causes liver issues.
b) The "false" food makes you feel full, and then when you body realises its been tricked tells you to eat more to comepensate.
c) If you manage to resist the outcome of b), your body goes into starvation mode and starts to store fat as an emergency measure.
East proper food with vitamins and nutrients in moderation and do some exercise, the end.
a) The aspartine is bad for you and causes liver issues.b) The "false" food makes you feel full, and then when you body realises its been tricked tells you to eat more to comepensate.
c) If you manage to resist the outcome of b), your body goes into starvation mode and starts to store fat as an emergency measure.
Are any of those actually true?
They are, supposedly, a major cause of cancer.
I love this notion.
Tell obese people they have significantly increased chances of cancer, and they ignore it.
Tell smokers there is DEFINITELY an associated risk, and they 'recall' their mate "one lung Jimmy" who smoked till he was 102.
But possibly have a possible theoretical risk of a food dye perhaps almost being carcinogenic, or fizzy pop causing AIDS, and the whole world stops turning and we simply MUST think of the children's faces.....
Ha! Madness!
DrP
Myth?
Or fact?Got any evidence?
Not to hand. Stefan Gates demonstrated it - although the demonstration presumably references other research - with a team of rugby players - giving half the players diet drinks and half full fat drinks at half time in a match then a buffet where they could serve themselves after the match. The diet/sweetner drinkers took and ate larger portions than the sugar drinkers.
Supposedly they have the same effect on your blood-sugar-insulin levels as normal sugary drinks, just artificially making your levels spike....should you give a monkeys about such things( GI diet for instance)
This is what I was told in some healthy employee training I did, and I'm not sure it's true, but I have tried to give up drinking diet Pepsi at work, as I was sometimes getting through about 5 in a working day....
You see this:
The sweetners used are worse than sugar. They are, supposedly, a major cause of cancer.
a tv programme on channel 5 the other night seemed pretty clear on the subject, categorically stating that aspartame is carcinogenic and fattening.
a) The aspartine is bad for you and causes liver issues.
... it's bollocks.
HTH.
Stefan Gates demonstrated it - although the demonstration presumably references other research - with a team of rugby players - giving half the players diet drinks and half full fat drinks at half time in a match then a buffet where they could serve themselves after the match. The diet/sweetner drinkers took and ate larger portions than the sugar drinkers
Science at its best.
Diet Coke 8 packs are half price in Tesco at the mo.
Lovely.
Science at its best.
We're ready to receive your paper 🙂
IMO it's simpler than that. People who drink (diet) fizzy drinks will probably have a sweet tooth and therefore more inclined to eat other sweet foods - which probably [i]will[/i] be fattening.When you taste artificial sweeteners your body wants the calories that taste promises so people who drink sugar free drinks have an increased appetite and will eat more as a result.
Sounds like you have quite an unhealthy relationship with food. In which case I think a bit of aspartame is the least of your worries.Really? I use it to fill me up so I don't have to eat!!
Supposedly ....
This is what I was told ....
Compelling.
Stefan Gates demonstrated it - although the demonstration presumably references other research - with a team of rugby players - giving half the players diet drinks and half full fat drinks at half time in a match then a buffet where they could serve themselves after the match. The diet/sweetner drinkers took and ate larger portions than the sugar drinkers.
So, after strenuous exercise, the people who had consumed less fuel earlier required more later? SCIENCE!!
higgo - Membera) The aspartine is bad for you and causes liver issues.
b) The "false" food makes you feel full, and then when you body realises its been tricked tells you to eat more to comepensate.
c) If you manage to resist the outcome of b), your body goes into starvation mode and starts to store fat as an emergency measure.
Are any of those actually true?
Yes, all of them. Its common sense if you think about it?
b) I've got loads of sugar/calories to fuel me! Oh, it isn't working, give me some more.
c) I'm going to be really hungry and die - quick, store some fuel to use later!
Really? I use it to fill me up so I don't have to eat!!Sounds like you have quite an unhealthy relationship with food. In which case I think a bit of aspartame is the least of your worries.
This.
[url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/ ]I am not a scientist, but this is a scientific journal.[/url]
It may or may not be right.
Anyway emsz, you have no need to worry: pixies don't get fat.
Cool, so nothing wrong with a can of diet coke with my lunch, back to the loom programmer!!
How did you know about my mate "one lung Jimmy" DrP
Here's your answer Emsz. Coke - diet or otherwise - is an American affectation. You need....
Yes, all of them. Its common sense if you think about it?
You appear to have overlooked "a)" there.
As for the others, it certainly sounds plausible, yes. This doesn't make it any more (or less) factually correct though.
The fatties shopping in my local Tesco seem unable to around without a can of diet coke.
Not sure what the link is, even if only by association Im avoiding the stuff.
[i]Sounds like you have quite an unhealthy relationship with food.[/i]
Oh right, so I'm 43kg I have been since I was 18 or so ( used to be a gymnast was muuuuch more skinny, had 4 pack and everything!!) and I don't overeat, or undereat I use it to fill me up as sometimes I can't afford to have a lunch!!
So doc and stoner and mymaninthenorth are ok with it, I'm good
I drink about 6 lites of sugar free cola a day (ASDA). If that was normal cola I would be very fat considering how many calories that would be. On the other hand it still messes your teeth up (acid ) wear enamel so I have am having expensive dental work probably as a direct result of this
Like a can of diet coke every day or so is gonna kill you or make you fat?
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Artificial sweeteners are made from dried fairy wings. fairies need their wings to fly and when they fly this causes the breeze that makes the wind turbines turn. less fairies = less wind power = more bad coal. that's what's bad.
And everything on here is correct?
oh yes, every single thing
I drink about 6 lites of sugar free cola a day (ASDA).
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Cougar - MemberYes, all of them. Its common sense if you think about it?
You appear to have overlooked "a)" there.
Deliberately so. I don't know much detail and can't remember the details of a program a saw about it enough to elborate, so thought better not to. All I can remembers is that large quantitites does something nasty to your liver.
The other reason is that most fizzies contain phosphoric acid, the reason that colas rot your tooth enamel. They also leach the calcium phosphate from your bones, as your body compensates for the extra acidity in your diet.
Women who drink fizzies tend to have lighter, weaker bones & suffer more breakages than those who don't. So if you're likely to fall off a bike, don't drnik them.
So this Dr Betty Martini... I take it her full medical title is "Betty Martini", yes?
@Kryton - bollocks, show me the research about starvation response kicking in. As per Lean Gains site there's evidence that metabolic rate doesn't slow until at least 36 hours after not eating and could be as long as 60 hours. Unless people are only drinking sugar free drinks and not getting calories from food then it's utter BS to link them to a starvation response.
Them triggering an insulin response is more interesting, I've not looked into myself but am aware of recent stuff being speculated about it. I have my doubts though and my own experience (obviously not scientific evidence in any way) is they don't give me cravings etc. afterwards.
The main issue with diet drinks is they all taste rank, apart from maybe Pepsi Max.
sod the sugar free drinks
A CAN OF POP WITH FISH'N'CHIPS U DIRTY BAS**RD 😯
You see this:The sweetners used are worse than sugar. They are, supposedly, a major cause of cancer.
a tv programme on channel 5 the other night seemed pretty clear on the subject, categorically stating that aspartame is carcinogenic and fattening.a) The aspartine is bad for you and causes liver issues.
... it's bollocks.
no, no..
the bit about the TV programme int bollocks at all
there was definitely a tv programme about it the other night, I watched it and everyfin.. I even put a link in my about it..
I got called to account on a thread on here about losing belly fat a couple of days ago. I made the assertion that artificial sweeteners stimulate the body to produce more fat. In fairness I had got this from a documentary on Channel 5 and deserved all I got, as despite extensive research (a bit of googling) I've yet to find anything to corroborate my story (beyond unauthenticated hippy mumbo-jumbo). Anyone who believes anything on Channel 5 should be shot 😉
The weight of evidence would seem to say that most artificial sweeteners are no more harmful than sugar. That said the thought of putting purely synthetic substances into my body in any kind of quantity puts me right off. That and the fact that diet drinks taste bloody horrible of course..
You will find that they only give you enough energy to carry the full can/sachet into a trail but not enough to carry the empty can out. Evidence can be seen in the number of empty cans, bottles and sachets found at the sides of our trails.
b) The "false" food makes you feel full, and then when you body realises its been tricked tells you to eat more to comepensate."
Yes, that's right. That'll learn you. Your body hates you a little more every time you do that.
c) If you manage to resist the outcome of b), your body goes into starvation mode and starts to store fat as an emergency measure." Claxons going off and everything but they're inside you so you can't hear them.
You're funny. I like you.
Trollin along on STW.
Classic stuff.
Hope the box set is out for Xmas.
Its a keeper*
*apparently
😉
I prefer pepsi max.
That said the thought of putting purely synthetic substances into my body in any kind of quantity puts me right off.
What? like cheese? I don't believe cheese exists in nature. We make it. Like we make the specialist plastics and high-grade alloys that make up a replacement hip. If it came to it I would be prepared to have a hip replacement and/or eat cheese.
Just three of the things that occur in nature that I wouldn't want in my body: Uranium ore, rattlesnake venom, tiger shit.
What? like cheese? I don't believe cheese exists in nature.
Go on then. How do we make cheese then? More pertinently, what are the synthetic (not of nataural origin) elements?
the only thing i have read about sweeteners (aspartame) that i have seen some slight evidence to back it up is that they can decrease the uptake of phophorous in your body leading to slightly weaker bone structure over time.
i'm sure your body doesn't "count" drinks as calories, thats why its easy to get fat drinking mucho alcohol/sugary drinks. welcome to be proven wrong on that though.
read once that diet drinks have much more caffeine than the sugary ones and that is why they are more addictive and people end up drinking tons of the crap (me included)
I gave up full fat coke for zero and Irn Bru for sugar free Irn Bru 2 years ago, plus I've upped my cycling but not changed my diet and I've dropped 2 stone. I can get through 4 cans a day btw
Hardly scientific but it worked for me.
swavis - Memberthey make you fat
never seen a thin person drinking diet coke have you?
I weigh 9 and a half stone, and I drink more pepsi max than anyone in the world. Except possibly that ChrisL, who is probably skinner than me (and just as wired on caffeine)
In fact if I had my webcam on, you could see a thin person drinking diet cola right now. Naked, obviously.
Aspartame has been found to be safe for human consumption by more than ninety countries worldwide
It's worth noting that they have concluded it's safe because they have NOT YET found a way in which it harms you. That doesn't mean it's not, of course, but if it is it's pretty subtle.
And emsz - remember that people can eat shite and be skinny but unhealthy. Some people never gain any weight at all despite stuffing their faces with junk. Not saying that's you of course, I know you're healthier than that, but beware of drawing conclusions.
in the early 90s I had a mate known locally as 'mountain bike mike' he used to consume litres of coca cola..
when he started drinking diet coke for 'health reasons' he became a heroin addict..
draw your own conclusions
What? like cheese? I don't believe cheese exists in nature. We make it. Like we make the specialist plastics and high-grade alloys that make up a replacement hip. If it came to it I would be prepared to have a hip replacement and/or eat cheese.Just three of the things that occur in nature that I wouldn't want in my body: Uranium ore, rattlesnake venom, tiger shit.
Go on then. How do we make cheese then?
erm... in factories. Either, big industrial factories or farmhouse kitchen factories. Cheese is a synthetic product. We don't hunt it or harvest it. We make it.
My point is that:
natural =/= good
synthetic =/= bad
erm... in factories. Either, big industrial factories or farmhouse kitchen factories. Cheese is a synthetic product. We don't hunt it or harvest it. We make it.My point is that:
natural =/= good
synthetic =/= bad
That's an absolute classic. I thank you.
I'll give you a hand.
what from the following list is NOT natural?
Milk.
Starter culture.
Rennet.
Annatto.
Salt.
Due to the limited availability of proper stomachs for rennet production, cheesemakers have always looked for other ways to coagulate the milk. Only about 35% of worldwide cheese production uses animal rennet. Artificial coagulants are a useful alternative
Aspartame is a methyl ester of the dipeptide of the [b]natural[/b] amino acids L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine.
So what ingredients of aspartame or NOT natural?
Cheese is a synthetic product. We don't hunt it or harvest it. We make it.
Speak for yourself...
*goes cheese hunting*
*equips the correct tool*
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Due to the limited availability of proper stomachs for rennet production, cheesemakers have always looked for other ways to coagulate the milk. Only about 35% of worldwide cheese production uses animal rennet. Artificial coagulants are a useful alternative
Just be careful where you buy your cheese and keep it natural kiddies.
I believe (CBA googling) that there are studies that show obesity goes with fizzy pop consumption, sugary or not. Association, not cause; may well be a marker for "shit diet".
I also believe that fizzy drinks make your stomach empty quicker, which might just make you hungry earlier.
I offer no [b]FACT[/b]s on the subject whatsoever - do I win ?
I offer no FACTs on the subject whatsoever - do I win ?
Oh you win. You win, alright. You win more than you bargained for.
what from the following list is NOT natural?
Milk.
Starter culture.
Rennet.
Annatto.
Salt.
That appears to be a list of the components from which we [b]synthesize[/b] the [u]product[/u] we call 'cheese'.
Crude oil is natural. Cheese is not.
seba560 - MemberThat's an absolute classic. I thank you.
I'll give you a hand.
what from the following list is NOT natural?
Milk.
Starter culture.
Rennet.
Annatto.
Salt.
I'll give you another- what does "synthetic" mean?
is it pepsi [b]max[/b] ??more than you bargained for
It is, isn't it 😀
I'll give you another- what does "synthetic" mean?
Ooh Ooh Ooh.
I know.
I know.
Pick me, sir.
I'll take you back to [url=/forum/topic/why-are-diet-fizzy-drinks-bad-for-me/page/2#post-4569590]this[/url] post gentlemen, and [url=/forum/topic/why-are-diet-fizzy-drinks-bad-for-me/page/2#post-4569833]this one too[/url] where higgo is clearly using the natural non natural argument. Cheese is a natural food made from natural ingredients, but if you're happy in being so anal, go for it.
EDIT:
I'm also quite happy with this part of the definition too.
[url= http://www.thefreedictionary.com/synthetic ]
[/url]3.
a. Not natural or genuine; artificial or contrived: "counterfeit rhetoric that flourishes when passions are synthetic" (George F. Will).
b. Prepared or made artificially: synthetic leather. See Synonyms at artificial.
Is that the one where I say that cobra venom is 'natural' (occurs in nature) and cheese is 'synthetic' (manufactured) and I'd prefer the synthetic product in my body?
I am still of the same mind.
In fact, I'm just off for a slice of 'Old Amsterdam'
Just three of the things that occur in nature that I wouldn't want in my body: Uranium ore, rattlesnake venom, tiger shit.
Well, I LOLed.
Some people never gain any weight at all despite stuffing their faces with junk.
Hiya!