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 Drac
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Scottish NHS strikes are on hold after a new pay offer.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:37 am
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We've had possibly our worse year for PGCE student intake I've known in 15 years. Folk just no-longer want to do it.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:49 am
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We’ve had possibly our worse year for PGCE student intake I’ve known in 15 years. Folk just no-longer want to do it.

I feel uncomfortable saying this, but the quality of pgce students is not what it was either. It has been diminishing for some time. People needing a lot more support and guidance.
Money has to be found. Staff already working in teaching and the NHS etc, are clearly hugely invested in working there. But, recruiting quality new staff requires decent pay and conditions. Retaining staff who are working under increasingly stressful conditions similarly requires decent pay and conditions. Otherwise people will leave - as they are in ever larger numbers.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:04 am
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We're really suffering with the 'Covid' intakes and those given 'teacher assessed' marks - the student's just aren't as good, and we are getting more withdrawals. TBH that's to be expected as it was tough.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:18 am
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This is the bit the unions don’t get.

I disagree, there have been union led attempts to impose a work to rule over workload for a few years now. The problem is that working the contracted hours would end up in a} letting the young folk down b) probably disciplined as who can manage?


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:18 am
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there have been union led attempts to impose a work to rule over workload for a few years now.

Which have been dismal failures so wtr clearly isn't the right lever. Which brings me back to my original point of the unions not getting it.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 10:21 am
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Which brings me back to my original point of the unions not getting it.

I think the unions do get it but there's very few options open to them


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 10:46 am
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I think the unions do get it but there’s very few options open to them

Pay is the easy option so they channel their energies into that but when I talk to colleagues they're mostly more worried about conditions. So I think the teaching unions in Scotland aren't doing a great job of representing members interests. Would teachers strike over conditions though? I don't know.

There might be more public support for action on teachers working conditions because improvements to that will also mean improvements to pupil outcomes.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 11:10 am
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So I think the teaching unions in Scotland aren’t doing a great job of representing members interests. Would teachers strike over conditions though? I don’t know.

You can only improve conditions by increasing school funding, teachers cannot strike over that.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 11:17 am
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You can only improve conditions by increasing school funding, teachers cannot strike over that.

So they strike for better conditions.... In a freak u turn the unions win. Every school gets funding for 10 new teacher positions.

Nothing changes because it's still not an attractive career outside of the career teachers such as Mrs t-r for whom it's a vocation rather than the job......like those above who are going above and beyond the call of duty. But even she voted to strike , the unions unfortunately advised that she should not due to external conditions.

How ever while the hardcore will say teachings not about the money....if you don't pay you won't get the tallent. It's not an attractive career from a working hours perspective nor a stress position nor the money......good will and folk who feel it's their calling will only go so far. Something has to change or your conditions will get eroded with no way back out

Funnily enough the police are having similar issues right now....

And the press are reporting that police chiefs predict civil.unrest before too long...


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 11:31 am
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You can only improve conditions by increasing school funding, teachers cannot strike over that.

Why not? Plenty of workers have struck over working conditions. Such a strike is about the conditions not funding. Increased funding is just a method by which the improvements to conditions might be achieved.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 11:44 am
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You can only improve conditions by increasing school funding, teachers cannot strike over that.

Rail, post, NHS, civil service have all voted to strike over pay and conditions, most nurses I know want more staff as much as more money.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 3:13 pm
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Conditions are hard to pin down.
Is behaviour getting worse? But the fix is societal not in school.
Are school buildings run down? Yes but that lack of investment is hard to turn round.
Is there a lack of pgce places? Yes. Huge funding needed. This is needed to bring enough classroom teachers into the profession. Maybe but how do you keep them in?
Staffing, see above.
Workload, see above.
The issues are too hard to pin down with one campaign.
Scottish schools are inclusive, which means no one is excluded and everyone but those with most extreme needs are in mainstream.
How do we deal with behaviour? "All behaviour is communication" bit the kid who's life is chaotic due to home life is communicating something schools cannot fix. But due to "nurture" and "inclusivity" the child who needs emotional support and help to function as a child instead is dropped into a class to be told about the structure of an atom. Then we wonder why the behaviour is poor, well they haven't eaten in 72 hours.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 4:17 pm
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Teacher scotland not striking. Need the money.

Government has shafted the economy and inflation is high. Pay rises should follow suit.

That being said the main issue with teaching isn't the money but the work load. We were promised an extra 90mins of non-contact time and that hasn't arrived. Far too many trainees going through uni and not enough jobs. Recent job had 90 applicants going for it.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 4:31 pm
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@poah the unions have a hardship fund. Not quite a full days pay but a helpful offset for strike days. I'm lucky enough to not need it but I know others with young families and two striking members who can afford to due to fund.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 4:48 pm
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Far too many trainees going through uni and not enough jobs. Recent job had 90 applicants going for it.

That's interesting because I think it's the opposite in the NHS, no where near enough people being trained. Asking people to pay for nursing or teaching qualifications is also rubbish, should be free as long as you do a certain number of years in the public sector.

Pay rises aren't going to fix the long term contentment of most workers (might make people a bit happier short term). I think employers need to look long and hard at the way work is structured and then when that starts to get sorted a lot of people need to realise working on a decent wage isn't actually that easy, is stressful to some extent and does require mental agility and the ability to cope with constant change. But first employers need to get themselves sorted.

People also need to realise that many of the lower skilled or less stressful jobs don't actually generate enough revenue to pay much higher wages, work as a Barista, there's lots of people who can do that and paying you £20 an hour is going to make the coffee to expensive to buy. It's not all about the corporations skimming all the profit off the top (although there is a large element of that).

The next big issue biting people is the minimum living wage (which is a good thing), wages at the bottom are rising, the next tier up not so much so the pay differential for a more demanding job is reducing, that isn't sustainable.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 5:24 pm
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@onehundredthidiot not in a union

@stumpyjon yip far too many doing the PGDE course.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 6:25 pm
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not in a union

Genuine question, why the hell not? Why wouldn't you be?

People also need to realise that many of the lower skilled or less stressful jobs don’t actually generate enough revenue to pay much higher wages, work as a Barista, there’s lots of people who can do that and paying you £20 an hour is going to make the coffee to expensive to buy.

But when you can earn damn near the same with none of the stress and responsibility then it's an attractive option.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 7:25 pm
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work as a Barista, there’s lots of people who can do that and paying you £20 an hour is going to make the coffee to expensive to buy

colour me dubious - any way to back up this claim?

Also if you can’t run a company in such a way as to pay your staff a living wage, then don’t run the company.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 7:52 pm
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Have you worked as a barista? It's a different kind of stress than a corporate job but still damn stressful


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 7:56 pm
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@stumpyjon yip far too many doing the PGDE course

Is that a regional thing ? Because up here it's not like that* Nor are the jobs over subscribed. Infact they struggle to get to interview stage for many posts......

* They keep trying to poach our staff to go do pdge in stem subjects to fill em.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:19 pm
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Nope but I've worked in similar roles and no the stress doesn't match many corporate jobs. If it was that difficult fewer people would be able to do it day in, day out and they would have to pay more to attract higher calibre people.

It might be stressful, very few jobs are nirvana, but it's not the most demanding.

any way to back up this claim?

The first bit is self evident, seen any coffee shops devoid of staff recently? Second bit, got any way to dispute it? Double staff wages and it's going to put costs up a lot which will knock on what people pay.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:27 pm
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@squirrelking because I dislike unions. Was once in one and they did **** all for me when I needed them.

@trail_rat too many students = too many NQTs = not enough perm or even contract work.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:38 pm
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@trail_rat too many students = too many NQTs = not enough perm or even contract work

Yes I understood thats what you were saying. I was stating that it doesn't look like that's the case up here and thus it must be regional.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:47 pm
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@TroutWrestler thanks for sharing that. I think a lot of people don't realise how difficult the conditions are in schools.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:51 pm
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People also need to realise that many of the lower skilled or less stressful jobs don’t actually generate enough revenue to pay much higher wages, work as a Barista, there’s lots of people who can do that and paying you £20 an hour is going to make the coffee to expensive to buy

Leaving aside the debate about the stress/skill needed the question is how much does that Barista need to live on?
People need to realise that a lot of people on benefits are working. Its just they aren't being paid enough to live.
So who is really benefiting from the taxpayers cash.
The benefit claimant or the company employing them at less than living wage?


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 8:57 pm
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Who’s striking this / next week?

No one in the England football side that’s for sure!


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:03 pm
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because I dislike unions. Was once in one and they did **** all for me when I needed them.

It's a no brainer being in a union as a teacher. Free financial advice, legal advice and representation if the shit hits the fan, insurance if your car gets tanned in the car park or stuff gets nicked from your room etc etc.

Do remember though that unions work within the framework of employment law and so they won't always be able to help. I've met a few teachers with quite unrealistic expectations of what the union can do and that sets them up for disappointment.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:04 pm
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any way to back up this claim?

The first bit is self evident, seen any coffee shops devoid of staff recently? Second bit, got any way to dispute it? Double staff wages and it’s going to put costs up a lot which will knock on what people pay.

Apologies, it was the second bit I was questioning. You could just accept less profit and take satisfaction in whilst receiving less profit, running a business that treats people well. Essentially what dissonance says.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:12 pm
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I've not read the whole thread so sorry if it has already been discussed......

Leaving aside if the role has been unpaid in the past and it needs some catching up AND conditions so purely focusing on pay.

What would the average STWer, upon receiving an email from their employer stating the company-wide percentage pay rise, say "yep, that's fair enough"? Would anything below the rate of inflation be a disappointment to you?

Maybe I'm just a sucker, but I don't think I'd be expecting that. I look at the utility bills they are facing and the potential downturn in custom down the line and just can't see where a rate of inflation pay rise would come from. I think 5-6% would have me at "fair enough". I only got 3% in September mind so my expectations are pretty low.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:14 pm
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how much does that Barista need to live on?

Not really relevant in a capitalist world, I'd love to build mountain bike trails full time but people won't pay enough to ride them to allow me to earn enough to live on. It's hard physical work that also takes some thought but economically it doesn't pay enough to live on.

Paying working people benefits isn't the right approach, it's chasing an impossible goal. We need to be reducing the cost of living, housing, energy and transport, all things that were in the gift of government but instead they have pushed the cost of these things up.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:15 pm
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because I dislike unions. Was once in one and they did **** all for me when I needed them

My union didn't do much for me either. Twice. Or rather the rep didn't. Useless reps are everywhere, shit happens, it doesn't mean unions are useless.

I'm still in it and will be until I leave my present job. Then I'll join another (hopefully a better one but I'll still be in one regardless).

Who do you think is negotiating for your pay and conditions? Because it's not wee Annie down at reception.

Have you worked as a barista? It’s a different kind of stress than a corporate job but still damn stressful

Do you go home at night worrying about what your pupils are going home to?
Do you stress over peoples care plans?
Do you feel utterly useless because you're doing your best for the welfare of others but ineffectual management just shits all over it?

I bet you don't, as a barista or shelf stacker I bet you walk right out that door with not a **** given.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:19 pm
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What would the average STWer, upon receiving an email from their employer stating the company-wide percentage pay rise, say “yep, that’s fair enough”? Would anything below the rate of inflation be a disappointment to you?

I'd say inflation is fair enough. I've been lucky enough to mostly get that.

Just to make my point, I work for a big company, one of six you might say. We were offered a deal of cash lump sums plus an 8% rise on salary and flowthroughs. It barely sqeaked through. Like, Brexit was more conclusive levels of squeaking.

If I was a nurse, teacher or any other public servant that's been paid and treated like shit for god knows how long you're damn right I'd be on a picket line!


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:25 pm
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What would the average STWer, upon receiving an email from their employer stating the company-wide percentage pay rise, say “yep, that’s fair enough”? Would anything below the rate of inflation be a disappointment to you?

That would depend on whether you had had below inflation pay rises for the last ten years or not wouldn't it?


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:25 pm
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Not really relevant in a capitalist world,

Ermm yes it is. There is a choice of how do are those people who dont have enough to live on, regardless of whether they work, supported.
Currently its done via the benefits system so we support all those companies who are paying less than a living wage.

Sure the government could do more with the things you mention but, spoiler alert, if they did so it wouldnt be a "capitalist world". It would be a highly interventionist one.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:28 pm
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What would the average STWer, upon receiving an email from their employer stating the company-wide percentage pay rise, say “yep, that’s fair enough”? Would anything below the rate of inflation be a disappointment to you?

About half the rate of inflation would do me!

According to the union, salaries at our place have been below inflation every year for 10 or 11 years in a row. I've been here 7 years now. Certainly not expecting 11% this year but 2.5% is a bit painful.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:30 pm
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as a barista or shelf stacker I bet you walk right out that door with not a **** given

I manage that fairly well in teaching.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:38 pm
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That would depend on whether you had had below inflation pay rises for the last ten years or not wouldn’t it?

I guess that's why I said "Leaving aside if the role has been unpaid in the past and it needs some catching up ". I get your point and I too am in a role that in real terms earns less than a decade ago in real terms. But again, I'm just not convinced I'd be expected now to be the time that catching up would be happening.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:39 pm
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I’m just not convinced I’d be expected now to be the time that catching up would be happening.

Urm..... Getting close to current inflation isn't catching up that doesn't account for the last many years of derisory pay increases.....


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:42 pm
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I guess that’s why I said “Leaving aside if the role has been unpaid in the past and it needs some catching up “. I get your point and I too am in a role that in real terms earns less than a decade ago. But again, I’m just not convinced I’d be expected now to be the time that catching up would be happening.

But you can't really separate the two like that.

If you've been at or near inflation for a while, maybe you can handle a 10% real-terms cut this year.

But if you're already well behind, you're much less well placed to take such a hit.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:44 pm
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But again, I’m just not convinced I’d be expected now to be the time that catching up would be happening.

The problem is if you have been falling further and further behind then now is the time the catch up is needed.
Most people right now will be behind in real terms from 10 years back but if you started falling behind 9 years ago its going to hurt a lot more.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 9:53 pm
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Seems to me it isnt a case of who is, but who isn't.

And I support one and all. Wages in this country have been too one sided for far too long.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 10:04 pm
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8 days so far since the summer, and a load of us got turfed out of our roles with less than 1 days notice after the first 2 day strike and my fairly regular 36hrs a month of overtime stopped overnight, so a double whammy and have dipped into savings recently.

Unfortunately support for the action is mixed due to the unions mediocre track record over the last few years with an 'us and them' workforce split over different contracts/hours, a huge UK office closure program and refusal to allow home working meaning loads of experienced people have left and been replaced by a mix of minimum wage and offshore staff with no experience (roles that traditionally would have filled by experienced field staff with practical knowledge). No longer is my profession considered a job for life 🙁

It sounds like talks have progressed this week so waiting to hear a proposal on Monday hopefully. We haven't had much mention in the media, we are not as noticeable as Posties and Trains but the work backs up. Frustratingly the company is performing strongly and customer prices rise with inflation each year, but wages do not.


 
Posted : 25/11/2022 10:15 pm
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But again, I’m just not convinced I’d be expected now to be the time that catching up would be happening.

Surely after 10 years of austerity now is the time


 
Posted : 26/11/2022 7:08 am
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Urm….. Getting close to current inflation isn’t catching up that doesn’t account for the last many years of derisory pay increases…..

Well, yes - not if it's closing the gap on where you were (or rather where your role was - you might not have been in it). But I think it does in another way.....hear me out.

Imagine you were a chemistry graduate. You chose to go into teaching rather than into chemical engineering. Over the next ten years your alter ego in chemical engineering got rate of inflation pay increases and you got a bit less. Assume then that in 2022 your alter ego got the national average private sector pay increase which is about 5-6% according to the ONS and the real you got the current rate of inflation (11.1%). Whilst your role has not caught up with where it was in 10 years ago, it would have caught up (some of the difference) with it's comparator role.

If we are talking teaching this is a good article on the long term decline of teacher pay (sorry if already posted). England centric however - https://ifs.org.uk/articles/long-long-squeeze-teacher-pay. Their summary is that if compared to 2007 an experienced teacher role is now 8% lower in real terms whilst average earnings across the economy had, in 2021, just about recovered to parity in real terms. Less experienced teacher roles are down, but not quite so much.

Depressingly, I jumped ship to the private education sector in 2006. When I jumped the equivalent classroom teacher pay to my nearest maintained school would have be circa £3K higher. In 2022 it's now on £500 less that the equivalent role in the nearest academy. My working conditions have not dipped so much however (although there was a big round of redundancies to survive the pandemic and rumours of another one around the corner). Once upon a time people move to private schools for the pay, now the only logical reason to do so is conditions (although I write this at 0745 on a Saturday morning with 4 hours of teaching and an evening duty ahead of me).


 
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@poah I've got to agree with others. I dislike the need for unions but I joined the one that SLT dislike the most. I've seen them work and they did a good job for the individual concerned. Good pension advice too


 
Posted : 26/11/2022 5:47 pm
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I wish there was a union for the self employed and minimum rates! Following the trend from the last 3 recessions it'll be a race to the bottom for trades as the quantity of work dries up.

'09 financial crisis saw cad jockeying around here pretty much vanish as the domestic projects just didn't happen. My pay went from £200 a day cad jockeying to £65 a day fitting gravestones. Needs must and all that. I worked out that overall it took me for £150k.

Good luck to all, there's going to be tough times ahead.


 
Posted : 26/11/2022 6:29 pm
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@jonesyboy GMB or whatever was once the TGWU would cover that. Whether they are recognised by "employers" is another matter. Good luck.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 10:00 am
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chemical engineering got rate of inflation pay increases and you got a bit less

Here's a shock for you, people in the private sector don't get inflation linked pay rises either. Don't think I've ever had a rise inline with the true cost of living having worked for a range of companies for the past 30 years. Private sector employees don't have the same inbuilt career progression as many do in the private sector, job security is also worse as are the severance terms. All my pay rises have come from changing jobs and companies.

Please don't make this a private vs public sector, wage erosion is universal as is constant reorganisation and being expected to deal with new issues every day.


 
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Here’s a shock for you, people in the private sector don’t get inflation linked pay rises either

Here's another, if you're a minimum wage type in whichever sector the annual pay rise is at or just under inflation. At some point there's a chance it's not going to worth anyone's while to take a more responsible/technical job as there will be no differentiation between wage levels.


 
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All my pay rises have come from changing jobs and companies.

Yes that's called the free market.

If I want to get my wages up it's quite easy for me to move to another company doing a similar job and we negotiate wages usually based on previous job +x%

If your in the public sector there is no negotiation. You change jobs you remain on the same wage .

Please don’t make this a private vs public sector,

But alas it is. Private sector can negotiate their own wage or vote with their feet and the market will be forced.

Private sector and essential services do not have that option.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 12:34 pm
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You change jobs you remain on the same wage .

Not if you take a higher responsibility job which is what I did each time. If you move into the same job it is likely to pay similar money, it's the free market innit.

Private sector can negotiate their own wage or vote with their feet and the market will be forced.

No, really doesn't work like that, in fact it's the opposite. Most private sector isn't effectively unionised, and if the unions play hard ball the company is likely to fail. There often isnt anymore money in the pot. Public sector can strike with little risk to long term job security (except the rail and postal workers who seem desperate to accelerate the decline in their industries).


 
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Who mentioned union in the private sector ..... In my sector you stand on your own two feet.

Those that are unionised (barring those at the coal face that management seem to believe are replaceable )are effectively ostrisised

Perhaps why it works effectively to manage your own negotiations


 
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There often isnt anymore money in the pot.

For pay-rises, yet there's plenty for management stock options, bonuses or very large pay awards. Lack of money for those doing the work is normally a choice by senior management.


 
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There often isnt anymore money in the pot.

For pay-rises, yet there’s plenty for management stock options, bonuses or very large pay awards. Lack of money for those doing the work is normally a choice by senior management.

This+++
Those with the power and money are only too happy to see the vast majority squabble over the crumbs, playing one group off against another. How they forever get away with it, is beyond my comprehension.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 2:22 pm
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Public sector suffers the same. Teaching unions in Scotland accepted a lower offer last year in the proviso this year's would be bigger. Scotgov knew this and could have put more money into the education pot but instead it goes to "embassies" or some other project. Which says all you need to know about priorities (UK gov arguably worse with massive SE infrastructure projects that allow people to get somewhere fractionally quicker). Soctgov more limited in what it can do around raising the shortfall through taxation. As any money raised affects the Barnett formula. So has no real net effect.


 
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If you move into the same job it is likely to pay similar money, it’s the free market innit.

That doesn't work in the public sector though, many teachers like Science or Maths etc are in huge shortages and yet the wages are not raised to reflect the shortage, recruitment and retention is dire and vacancies are widespread. When I started teaching 15 or so years ago I would go for interviews and be up against half a dozen shortlisted candidates from the however many applied. Now I haven't seen half a dozen applications for science positions in the last 3 years despite our school advertising and having vacancies, I reckon we are lucky to get one a year.
Nurses are the same job vacancies all over the place, no applications.

Free market suggests a pay rise, government has cut pay massively in real terms over the last ten years...


 
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Here’s a shock for you, people in the private sector don’t get inflation linked pay rises either. Don’t think I’ve ever had a rise inline with the true cost of living having worked for a range of companies for the past 30 years.

And here's a shock for you too...your anecdotal evidence does not make for a universal truth. Please try to remember this when you try to sound condescending - it's not a great look. Plenty of people in the private sector get annual incremental pay rises. If we are allowed to be anecdotal my wife has spent an entire career in the private sector in both SMEs and large multinationals across industries as diverse as tourism, the third sector, chemical manufacture, private finance, utilities and a training provider. Plenty of company wide annual salary increases received - sometimes under, sometimes over the current rate of inflation. Then sometimes change of role, promotion or renegotiation on top of that. If you stop taking it personally and what's happening to you and think of it as the role that receives a salary change, then yes there is often an element of 'dead man's shoes', with the rate of pay attached to the job only being increased when it is vacated and needs filling again. Regardless of if its in some sort of ordered annual review or ad hoc bespoke increases rates of pay do generally go up over time.

wage erosion is universal

It might not feel like it but across the nation the average rate of pay in 2021 had caught back up with the 2007 average with regards to comparisons to inflationary pressures. Being an average, plenty are ahead and plenty below - some of both will be in the public and private sector (although it's factually incontrovertible that public sector wages were slowed by austerity more than private). But, when looked at over the medium and longer terms, patently wage erosion is not a universal experience suffered by all.

Back to teaching.....the employer pension contribution has gone up massively in recent years. If you do the maths, if you take that increase and the 8% decrease in income in real terms for experienced teacher roles it almost perfectly balances out - the price of the total 'package' we receive now is almost exactly the same as it was in 2007 relative to inflation. Question I guess is, does pension contribution both the employer and employee makes feel worh it any more? If the negotiation was, yes have a sizeable pay rise but the pension get knocked right back - would people go for that?


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 5:27 pm
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It’s a bit weird at the moment. I am striking. While the missis working for private company has received two pay rises this year, both out of the blue, the most recent in addition had a cost of living payment. The difference between our jobs is night and day. I don’t know wether to laugh or cry.
I know my employer is corrupt and it is becoming more and more difficult to go to work there. It will be getting loud on the picket line this coming week.


 
Posted : 27/11/2022 7:40 pm
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Openreach/BT have given 16%, will wait for the details but that's going to help the younger members


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 7:56 pm
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Back to teaching…..the employer pension contribution has gone up massively in recent years

Do you understand why that is ?


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 8:40 pm
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Openreach/BT have given 16%, will wait for the details but that’s going to help the younger members

Flat rate so between 6% and 16% including the initial pay rise that was implemented without any union discussions. The most common grades will get around 10%. Lots of hand wringing going on about the latest offer only being equal to the lost strike pay and wanting to vote against it, but conveniently forgetting that it's all about consolidated pay, it's not a one-off cost of living payment (which can sound good but is practically worthless compared to a consolidated rise)


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 8:56 pm
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BT gave a one off payment I believe?
The staff definitely needed it the pay rise.


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 9:40 pm
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Do you understand why that is ?

Undoubtedly better than you sunshine 😉


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 9:59 pm
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Undoubtedly better than you sunshine 😉

Thanks for making it clear you have little idea.;) You stay classy.


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 10:03 pm
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Thanks for making it clear you have little idea.;) You stay classy.

Well, if you elect to come over condescending.....

(you were involved in the renegationaion too were you?)


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 10:12 pm
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Sorry still not clear. Do you know or are you just pricking around.

There is a reason you don't give a straight answer on this isn't there.


 
Posted : 28/11/2022 10:17 pm
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This government is beyond words. My hate for them has no bounds.

Speaking on Sky News’ Ridge on Sunday, Zahawi insisted it was up to union leaders to call off the strike and suggested they were playing into the Russian president’s agenda as he uses high energy prices fuelling inflation as a “weapon” in his war against Ukraine.

Zahawi said the government needed to show discipline in not raising public sector pay in line with inflation, which could fuel inflation further.

Nadhim Zahawi is said to have an estimated net worth of up to £100million (according to the Express newspaper). Every time one of them is quoted, they should their net worth displayed beside their names.


 
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It’s only been a few months since he was telling us that bankers bonuses can’t be capped at a proportion of their wage… otherwise, without giving staff chance to gain limitless bonuses, how will banks recruit and retain people? What signal did that give Putin? Now, what’s the solution to a staffing crises in nursing… real term pay cuts. 👏🏼


 
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Only just caught up on today's news.

Linking strikers to Putin. Wow.

Putin must be living this utter shambles of a government though!

Contemptible punch of *****.


 
Posted : 04/12/2022 4:34 pm
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Aah, no need to worry, the army will be stepping in to replace striking nurses.


 
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the army will be stepping in to replace striking nurses

interesting how they never include in the glossy adverts “join the army - work as scab labour, undermining essential workers’


 
Posted : 04/12/2022 7:14 pm
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Deary me, couldn't live with myself as a scab. I take it those non-strikers will refuse any pay increase in solidarity with their employers.


 
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Agency worker for Royal Mail - I didn’t get any choice on the matter even though RM have recruited someone else here more recently. If the RM folks say they’re not striking and no post arrives, they still get paid, I get nothing. I’ve lost 12 days pay in the last 2 months. I called today to ask if I could used my accrued holidays to cover the strike days, but apparently I can’t 🤬🤬🤬 There’s no wonder the business is in such a mess.


 
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Deary me, couldn’t live with myself as a scab. I take it those non-strikers will refuse any pay increase in solidarity with their employers.

Today sees a new pay offer to Scottish teachers. All good.

However, our council two weeks ago was asked to propose further savings to fund this increased offer.

My wife has been informed that all peripatetic teaching roles are to be laid off, not redeployed. She is likely out by Easter.

It also includes all the music service, PE, a bunch of Educational Psychologists, a bunch more classroom assistants, some early years staff, a few more education managers/leaders in the council, out of hours care managers, and most of the support for holiday play schemes staff.

Which of course also means the better paid teachers now have no support staff and the children fewer opportunities.

Maybe she should have shown her solidarity and just handed in her notice so others get more money. Along with about 25-30 other colleague who are about to be out of a job. I mean, that's what the strikers would expect.

Time to see if we can extend the mortgage as we can't live on one wage..


 
Posted : 13/02/2023 7:20 am
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Unfortunately those cuts were always coming. SBC cut peripatetic staff years ago. All primary pe went. Then they wondered why there were issues with ricct.


 
Posted : 13/02/2023 7:24 am
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Unfortunately those cuts were always coming

No, they've been fought for years. Mrs_oab's team used to be 14. She joined at the cut to 7. Th<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">en it's been reduced to 2.8fte and they all had to re-apply.</span>

So now the team just will not exist.

Her team of specialist early years teachers support 44 early years settings and more private partners across the council. Tomorrow she helps train 300 staff. The last week she's been supporting a nursery struggling with some children very challenging behaviour and a very young and inexperienced team. Week before she was 'in ratio' for a few days to keep a nursery from closing due to staff shortage and some more training for the seniors who lead nurseries.

There's also a legal requirement to have access to teachers in early years, but that's being ignored.


 
Posted : 13/02/2023 7:39 am
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Unfortunately those cuts were always coming.

And this payrise has given the excuse to bring in more.

I'm hoping the same strikers for money become strikers to re-instate those who lost jobs due to the payrise. I mean, that's solidarity.


 
Posted : 13/02/2023 7:40 am
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'I’m hoping the same strikers for money become strikers to re-instate those who lost jobs due to the payrise. I mean, that’s solidarity.'

Absolutely! Pay rises must be funded and not arise from divisive redundancies.

Anecdote from around here. Nurses on a picket line at the children's hospital got abuse from from a dumper truck driver (twice). A picket  photographed the vehicle and sent a note of protest to the firm. Boss grabs driver in the yard, dresses him down and takes him to the picket line to apologise and promise that next time they strike he will personally provide coffee and cake.


 
Posted : 13/02/2023 8:14 am
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‘I’m hoping the same strikers for money become strikers to re-instate those who lost jobs due to the payrise. I mean, that’s solidarity.’

Absolutely! Pay rises must be funded and not arise from divisive redundancies.

Please can you say that to EIS, who despite a 'no job losses' policy, are just accepting that mrs_oab and a bunch of colleagues are collateral. She has a meeting with the rep today - the same rep who nominated her as a picket leader, who put her under pressure to 'stand in solidarity' and are now saying 'ah yeah, but not solidarity for you'.... So there is not solidarity here at all. none.

We also are looking at teachers with a shiny new pay rise - and no classroom assistant support. No specialist training or support in some areas. So you will be richer and yet also more stressed and more hours.

As you can tell, I have not slept this weekend as we are looking at a job loss, and I am somewhat cross at the seemingly blithe 'everyone in this together / solidarity / must strike attitude - yet I know mrs_oab and other job-losers are not going to see their colleagues out on strike for the next few months to ask for jobs to be re-instated.


 
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