[Closed] who'd win, mo farah vs usain bolt

Keep it coming people, keep it coming 🙂

16 years old, 200m, I think maybe 23.5s but I am not sure.

Anyone interested in this sprint timer app? I reckon you could wear the phone on your wrist say, then it would do 'to your marks, set, go!' audibly and start the clock.

Then when you cross the line you would have to say thump your chest to get it to stop. GPS is not accurate enough to time 100m.

Given a bit of training Molgrips could and don't see why I couldn't - but then I don't fit the overweight thing. Quite interested now so will look for a local 100m track - 12.9? Did 11.7 10 years ago without much practice.

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Over 600m I reckon Bolt will win. If they were racing 800m then my money would be on Mo. Clearly they should actually be racing 700m.

Back to the more important topic, it strikes me that even without any fast twitch muscles then Mo ought to be able to run a lot faster than 12.9 for the 100m - OK it's from a standing start, but that's slower than his 400m pace, almost certainly slower than his 800m pace (I'm not sure if he's ever done one, but based on recent results you'd suspect he wouldn't be far off Coe's time).

Personally I reckon I could have Bolt over 10k - bring it on!

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So after all this bickering we can finally answer the question at hand?

who'd win, mo farah vs usain bolt

Neither, it'd be Molgrips mum.

Who's up for a STW track league, using my app?

Neither, it'd be Molgrips mum.

I bet my mum could beat most 68 year-old women over 100m!

My tuppenceworth......undoubtedly some stwers are very good athletes, but let's not forget that Bolt is an Elite ffs! I know that he doesn't train to compete over 10k's but I'm guessing that his natural athletic prowess means that he'd have little problem beating most on here over whatever distance. Just like how Cav is a shit climbers in TdF terms but would drop most domestic elites on any type of terrain. A few months after Chris Newton ( world champ track cyclist) retired, he ran his first ever marathon and click 2hrs 59mins....there's a reason that these guys are Elite!

I'm guessing that his natural athletic prowess means that he'd have little problem beating most on here over whatever distance.

It doesn't work like that. Sprinting is completley different to distance running. It's like saying Bolt would be able to swim 400m faster than any of us, or play a better round of golf.

I bet that he would be able to swim 400m faster than any if us!! I know that distance running and sprinting are vastly different things, but we're not just talking about a random guy here, this is an Olympic champion....natural athletes tend to be incredibly gifted at numerous sports.....stwers are generally dorks with limited athletic prowess no matter how committed to their chosen sport they are.

Fast twitch v slow twitch. I was good at sprinting, karate and fencing and not a lot else.

It doesn't work like that. Sprinting is completley different to distance running. It's like saying Bolt would be able to swim 400m faster than any of us, or play a better round of golf.

Its does work a bit like that.

Bolt is a full time athlete, he trains a lot so is very fit. He may not be specialised to running more than 400m but he would undoubtedly run almost any distance faster than us simply because he is very fit.

I know its not running but look at the Etape du Tour as an example. Sprinters like Cav, Kittel and Greipel made it over the stage around Annecy comfortably within the time limit (after 3 weeks of racing round france as a warm up). Not a single competitor in the Etape would have made it within the time limit and they only had that day to aim at.

There is a lot to be said for just being able to train a lot.

It doesn't work like that. Sprinting is completley different to distance running. It's like saying Bolt would be able to swim 400m faster than any of us, or play a better round of golf.

Indeed - Newton has a body type, muscle type and training background which is actually relatively well suited to running marathons (as well as being a track cyclist, where he tended to compete in distance events he also raced in the road quite successfully in races which took longer than a marathon). To be honest 2:59 isn't all that special anyway - I couldn't run that now, but I certainly could have not all that long ago, and even now with a few months training...

Have you seen what sort of times Redgrave and Pinsent run a marathon in?

Bringing Cav and Kittel into the argument is daft. Have you not noticed that part of their job is to cover large distances every day, and to make it over the mountains inside the time limit? Hence they're quite good at that. I wonder how well Sir Chris Hoy would manage on the etape?

I bet that he would be able to swim 400m faster than any if us!!

You don't even know if he can swim at all, that's my point.

natural athletes tend to be incredibly gifted at numerous sports

It's precisely because he's an olympic champion that I would expect him to be not very good. He's extremely specialised to sprinting. Sprinting and distance running are much more dissimilar than you think. At top level sport there's no such thing as 'fit', just fit for a particular event.

I know its not running but look at the Etape du Tour as an example.

Cycling's not quite the same, because biomechanics doesn't really come into it like it does in running. Likewise swimming, I guess.

Have you seen what sort of times Redgrave and Pinsent run a marathon in?

And that Lance chap....

Have you seen what sort of times Redgrave and Pinsent run a marathon in?

Rowing is a lot about upper body strength and Redgrave and Pinsent are now fatties who don't train full time any more.

I'd bet when they were in full training they'd be able to run a decently fast marathon.

But the real comparision would be if instead of 2000m they could row 20km faster than the average bloke or even a hobbiest long distance rower (if such a thing exists)

I bet that he would be able to swim 400m faster than any if us!

How much?

Sprinting is completley different to distance running

And that Mr Tom B Smarty Panteroos is coming from STW's most natural sprinter. 🙂

Rowing is a lot about upper body strength

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I do feel he can claim a certain athletic prowess

Of that, I do not doubt. It's just it wasn't the primary (or, if I'm honest, any) concern to the wimmins of the office of tomhoward PLC.

He'd win using nought but the affections of these ladies!

Anyone here run close to a 4 minute mile...?

Sprinting is completley different to distance running

I'm no athlete, but even I can identify a few similarities between running and running.

I'm no athlete, but even I can identify a few similarities between running and running.

This!

I used to warm up pre-circuits by going for a short run with some big tall quite good rowers - they were shit runners tbf. I don't know why tbh...you'd think they'd have something in their legs.

Sprinting is completley different to distance running. It's like saying Bolt would be able to swim 400m faster than any of us, or play a better round of golf.

Its not that different Molly they are different events requiring different training and sometimes different physical attributes. I have no doubt that Farah could run a very fast 200 as a guess around maybe 22 seconds. I am sure he could run a 400 (again a total guess) around 47-48 given his recent 1500 record. Coe ran around 46 and occasionally raced over 400. Ovett was also very quick and both would have won a lot of races at those distances.

Said Aouita had a celebrated range from 800m to 1000m and was the first athlete under 13 mins for 5000m.

Usain Bolt has a VO2max in the mid 80s. He is also very tall and lanky. There is no doubt that he would be a great middle and long distance runner if he trained for it.

I'm no athlete, but even I can identify a few similarities between running and running.

A few. But talking like a smartarse doesn't make you right, unfortunately 🙂

There is no doubt that he would be a great middle and long distance runner if he trained for it.

Unsure about that. Good, maybe, but I doubt great. He'd have an awful lot of weight to lose for a start.

I bet my mum could beat most 68 year-old women over 100m!

Well given the health of most 68 year olds and that there's not many that still run 100m that's quite possible.

You've obviously put some thought into this Molgrips.

Anyone interested in this sprint timer app? I reckon you could wear the phone on your wrist say, then it would do 'to your marks, set, go!' audibly and start the clock.

Then when you cross the line you would have to say thump your chest to get it to stop. GPS is not accurate enough to time 100m.

Almost like you're overthinking it?

Overthinking an app? Would you rather I underthought it?

So, here's my app. It starts you running and then when you get to the end, you, er.. well I dunno. Press a button or something. It'll be alright.

🙂

I have no doubt that Farah could run a very fast 200 as a guess around maybe 22 seconds

Not sure why you think it's worth guessing but given that he ran 12.9 I'd say he couldn't.

Long distance runners are mostly slow twitch, sprinters fast - a very important difference.

Not sure why you think it's worth guessing but given that he ran 12.9 I'd say he couldn't.

Why would you say he couldnt?
What your failing to understand is that the slowest part of a sprinting race is the start. Given that Farah lacks the physical power of a dedicated sprinter he would be very inefficient at this part of the event I suspect he could run the second 100m faster than the first.

Also consider that he ran 50:89 for the last lap of a 5000m race recently which equates to 12.5 seconds per 100m at the end of a 12.5 lap race. He therefore ran faster than the pb you quote for 4 consecutive 100m splits !

he ran 12.9

In Superstars. That well known event where athletes try really hard.

Rowing is a lot about upper body strength

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Yep. Have you ever seen a rower's shoulders?

Sure the power all comes from the legs but its a totally different action to running. My point still stands. They would still be able to row much longer distance than their event, faster than almost anybody else and would be beaten only by eliete athletes who train specifically for the longer length.

😀 I'm out-molgrips has started copying and pasting individual points from my posts I'm being 'Big Hittered'!!!!

Why would you say he couldnt?

Because he would be running the 2nd 100m at record pace given that he would already be 3 secs down after 100m.

No Molgrips, I meant the whole thing not just the app.

Anyway, I reckon Mo vs Bolt, Mo would win.

Molgrips vs Bolt at any distance, unless it was "Olympic level worrying" or "rose-tinted specs sprinting", Bolt is the winner.

Because he would be running the 2nd 100m at record pace given that he would already be 3 secs down after 100m.

Also consider that he ran 50:89 for the last lap of a 5000m race recently which equates to 12.5 seconds per 100m at the end of a 12.5 lap race. He therefore ran faster than the pb you quote for 4 consecutive 100m splits !

The above splits arent absolutely accurate but it makes my point

Tom B, Molly can sprint but be cant do long distances, so if Molly can't do it, Bolt can't either, OK?

The above splits arent absolutely accurate but it makes my point

So he ran 200m in around 25 secs from a moving start? Pretty good at the end of 5000m but doesn't mean much otherwise.

Given a bit of training Molgrips could and don't see why I couldn't

OK new question.

Mudshark vs Molgrips 100m sprint (historical or current).

Who wins?

Molgrips but I was a better fencer when I was 12 I imagine 🙂

Yep. Have you ever seen a rower's shoulders?

Have you seen Usain Bolt's shoulders? The point remains that most of the power in rowing comes from the legs, and that rowers don't look so different to triathletes in terms of muscle development. Based on the argument that elite athletes should be good at anything with training, you'd expect them to be able to run a good marathon.

Your suggestion that they'd be quick over longer distances rowing is undoubtedly true, but also completely irrelevant. 2000m rowing is already physiologically an endurance event - it does after all take them longer than Mo's recent European record took him. There is no such thing as a sprint rower.

So he ran 200m in around 25 secs from a moving start? Pretty good at the end of 5000m but doesn't mean much otherwise.

Or another way of putting it is he ran faster than you quoted as his PB for 4 consecutive 100m splits at the end of a race which had included 46 consecutive 100m at quite a fast pace! I think it is very significant and I think around 22-23 is quite achievable.

A few. But talking like a smartarse doesn't make you right, unfortunately

It does today though.

For 200 metres

Say a top sprinter does 200m in 20 secs

Top sprinter 1st 100m in 9.9 secs, Mo in 12.9 secs = 3 secs slower

For Mo to get 22 (or even 23) secs he'd have to run the 2nd 100m in 9 - 10 secs and that ain't gonna happen.

If Mo concentrated on sprinting then I'm sure he could improve his time a little but that's not the point as it would have a negative impact on his long distance running.

We have already established he can run faster that 12.9. I suspect with a bit of commitment on his part he could run say 12 (all speculation but its been good enough so far!)
Given his stamina it would be realistic for him to complete the second 100m faster than the first as he would be at maximum speed entering into it unlike his first 100m off a standing start, an 11 sec second 100m is easily possible.

So back on topic.

Does the plane take off?

Molgrips vs Bolt at any distance, unless it was "Olympic level worrying"

Given how laid back Bolt is, I'd not be worried. Oh wait.. damn.

Molgrips but I was a better fencer when I was 12 I imagine

Give me a broom handle, I'd easily win 🙂

We have already established he can run faster that 12.9

Well no we haven't but he'd get close with training, but that would mean building up his muscles and spoiling his long distance; the discussion is how he is now and, whatever, he'd never make a great sprinter.

Well no we haven't but he'd get close with training

Well I am no mathematician so lets start from basics. If he can run 50:89 for 400m how does he accomplish that without running at least one of the 100m sections below 12.9?

the discussion is how he is now

Yup. 22-23 secs

Looks like 600m is going to be the magic distance.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/usain-bolt-accepts-challenge-from-mo-farah-to-race-over-600-metres-8736681.html

/Edit Ignore me. I'm so last Thurdsay on this subject but hadn't noticed.

I think we established that about 4 hours ago, Ian - we've now moved on to the more important question of how much Molly would beat Mo by over 100m (assuming he gets out of the blocks first and doesn't have to overtake).

😀

Surfer, if you think I am showing off, let me tell you my best ever (and last) result was 5th in county athletics. In Herefordshire, which is a shit county.

Ah, so not quite good enough for a county medal.
/Strolls off to polish County medal.

Bolt hasn't got one either.

/Strolls off to polish County medal.

Or as they say "winning isnt everything but losing is f*** all" 😀