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Boris Johnson is getting the 3rd best odds right now, after Sunak and Mordaunt
Boris would be an excellent outcome for anyone wanting a futher nail in the Tory coffin. Bring him on.
Currently feels more like we’ve got stuck in the boggy bit of the garden and the owners just announced they can’t remember where the septic tank was located but it’s been blocked for years.
I'd say it feels like we're a bunch of ants, trying to march across the patio on a scorching hot day, while a burgeoning sociopath try's out the magnifying glass they got for their birthday on us. Some of us will make it to the other side, some will get burnt to a crisp, none of us voted for this...
Boris would be hilarious. Can't believe the the next GE is Jan 2025. Too long to wait!
Currently feels more like we’ve got stuck in the boggy bit of the garden and the owners just announced they can’t remember where the septic tank was located but it’s been blocked for years.
If that were the case we'd be surrounded by lush vegetation and bountiful fruit trees.
Metaphorically, I'm longing for a leaky septic tank.
I say give Larry the cat his chance.
Certainly couldn't do any worse.
Boris would be hilarious.
Yeah, erm... no.
We desperately need an actual adult.
No sure why people keep referring to the **** as :"Boris"- makes him sound all nice and cuddly.
I don't think he'll run again- after all his money worries, he's just had a wee taster of the riches and soft power that await an ex-PM. It'll be another corruption he won't be able to resist. Remember the Blair's and the mortgages- they must look back and wonder what they ever worried about. Johnson will be the same now- why bother with this public service lark, when there's nothing more in it for him.
I wonder if he's just put it out there that he's considering as a huge windup.
The Tory's have been delivering progressively worse PMs since Cameron. The problem is, being worse than Truss is a pretty high (low?) bar to clear. The list of candidates who would be worse than the current PM is getting pretty short.
I'm going to stick with my prediction from a week ago of Kemi Badenoch.
I can't quite figure out exactly how it's going to happen yet but I have no doubt that they will surpass themselves with their choice of PM yet again.
Did Brady just say candidates need 100 nominations?
How are the loonies supposed to get that many MPs to nominate them? Seems very unfair.
Yes - will that stack up ie could it be left with no one > 100?
Yes, 100.
How are the loonies supposed to get that many MPs to nominate them? Seems very unfair.
Indeed, Tory establishment don't want another loon foisted on them
I'm guessing Morduant or Sunak, Badendoch as stalking horse
Indeed, Tory establishment don’t want another loon foisted on them
Well, the nutters haven't let us down yet so I have faith they'll manage to set up a Badenoch Sunak run off.
I'd love them to try & bring Johnson back
We could watch him go down in a cloud flod corruption, incompetence & scandal a second time!
It's about time celebrities and sportsmen/women are allowed to be prime minister. I nominate Ronnie O'Sullivan and all international relations to be decided by a frame of Snooker. If it was something really serious then it could be a best of nine. No way would Putin beat Ronnie so the Ukraine situation would never have happened. Trade deals with the US would be doddle with their ancient president, but the Chinese are pretty handy on the baize though so could be a challenge...
Tenner says they pay Elon Musk to reanimate Thatcher.
OH god, BBC, old folk still want Bojo back. FFS. Put the lot of 'em down.
Put the lot of ’em down.
He tried his best.
[ Dark humour, sorry if you were effected ]
Boris, calling a general election immediately. He'll run on a ticket of
Threat to a real Brexit from SKS
'Success' during COVID
Threat to the union from SNP
Militant unions ruining your commute and making birthday cards late.
It will nearly work too, but ultimately the FPTP system will mean a rough reversal of the majority. He'll stay in as leader of the opposition for another run at it in 2027.
That's my guess anyway.
So it's gone from no members vote at dinner time I wonder if that's why the jurnos where calling Bradly a lier to a digital vote after it's been dwindled to 2 potential leaders.
Voting by electronic ballots old people will love that.
Hugh Grant, did a great job in Love Actually
"Hugh Grant, did a great job in Love Actually"
Well it worked for Zelinsky....
So it’s gone from no members vote at dinner time I wonder if that’s why the jurnos where calling Bradly a lier to a digital vote after it’s been dwindled to 2 potential leaders
I don't think they'll get two candidates - thats why they set the bar so high, and why at first it was no vote for members, now its maybe just incase. Boris gets 1/3 of the MPs, the others split the rest among them. Only Boris makes it through, and everyone recognises that he was still the #1 choice with the members, so it's not a problem they don't get a vote as he'd have won by a landslide.
I hope it does go to a digital ballot, which someone manages to hack and place millions of fake votes. More incompetent chaos.
But this way just makes it an informal runoff though ..?
Over the weekend, there'll be a lot of weighing up the options. If it looks like Johnson is doing well, I'm pretty sure MPs would coalesce around one candidate rather than splitting their vote and letting him in.
If that happens… how do the public respond to that? His bubble his popped. He has the skills to get some of the population to embrace their decreasing real wages with a bit of his Great British Boosterism, but for most people that will look so, so hollow this winter.
As Bullet Tooth Tony once said : “You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity”
Perhaps they should give the job to the winner of Channel 4’s make me prime minister*
Couldn’t be any worse than the last 2 could they ?
* it’s a bit of a poor man’s the apprentice if you haven’t seen it 😂
Boris, calling a general election immediately.
Surely the most attractive proposition about Johnson is that if reinstated as PM he can legitimately claim to have a mandate from British voters for both himself personally and his policies.
Which would guarantee no general election for at least 2 years.
I reckon Sunak, for example, would really struggle making the claim that no general election would be necessary, especially if like Truss he were to pursue unpopular policies, in his case harsh austerity.
I don't think Johnson currently stands any realistic chance though, even if the Tories are terrified of the thought of an early general election, which they undoubtedly are.
Surely the most attractive proposition about Johnson is that if reinstated as PM he can legitimately claim to have a mandate from British voters for both himself personally and his policies.
You'd think, but I think his ego wouldn't allow him to be reinstated as the 'best of a bad bunch'. He's going to want to win another election again soon. Maybe not immediately, he might steady the ship first, but before the 2025 window.
I'm tempted to put a fiver down as a wager on Trump.
Surely the most attractive proposition about Johnson
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If Boris got in he’s probably make Nadine Chancellor as reward 😳
It seems like Graham Brady thinks they’ve got a cunning plan to have this all done and dusted by next weekend to their satisfaction.
Job jobbed
I’ll put my house on the fact that whatever they think is going to happen has gone completely tits up by Tuesday and we’re once again all the victims of unintended consequences courtesy of the Tory Party
This has got Ed Millibands 3 quid membership written all over it.
And look what that delivered
You’d think, but I think his ego wouldn’t allow him to be reinstated as the ‘best of a bad bunch’.
Yeah I agree, I doubt he wants his come back quite so soon and he is unlikely to win anyhow so he could probably do without any further humiliation.
He might get leant on though, long before Truss announced her resignation some Tory MPs were emphasising the appeal of Johnson was that he would pretty much guarantee that an early general election wouldn't be necessary.
I honestly don't know how the Tories can avoid an early general election after changing their leader twice.
I honestly don’t know how the Tories can avoid an early general election after changing their leader twice.
I also don't think they can, and I also think they'll believe the only election winner they have is Bozza....
Rab C Nesbitt?
Couldn't be any worse than ANY of the possible clowns we have now.
Of any party.
chrismac Full Member
I think they are still making the rules up. I heard on Radio 4 something about a shortlist by Monday and then maybe members vote by email for the shortlist.
They are really missing a trick here, the membership vote should be done via a premium rate phoneline. Allow members to vote as much as their bank balances will allow, it's the Tory way!
Fair enough but over the last year all they have done is slag off the Tories, rather than offer constructive alternative, but I guess thats British politics these days.
I was going to make a smartarse comment about getting a newspaper, but actually the above is a pretty sad indictment of how filtered the UK media has become, and it ain't a lefty bias.
I also think they’ll believe the only election winner they have is Bozza….
I don't know whether many Tory MPs believe that. IMO Sunak who appears to be currently the front runner would a
big vote loser for them though.
Sunak appears to be committed to austerity and I am not sure he fully grasps just how unpopular that would be during a severe cost of living crises.
He needs to face up to the fact that this isn't 2010 and he won't be able to blame the last Labour government for the mess which he helped to create.
A billionaire, the wealthiest person in UK politics, telling households who are struggling to heat their homes and feed themselves, that they need to make sacrifices, and expect cuts in real wages and public services?
Even Liz Truss recognised that voters will no longer accept austerity for a mess which they didn't create, that is precisely why she came up with a harebrained policy of tax cuts for the wealthy being paid for by growth, whilst resolutely claiming that there would be no spending cuts.
The political crisis which is facing the UK isn't simply one of competence, it is a crisis of ideology.
An online poll? Imagine how many middle aged people in the Home Counties are going to be getting phone calls off elderly, racist parents asking them how the interweb works 😂
On those BBC vox pops pining for BoJob. My god, we are phucked as a country if there's still a sizable number of people who would vote for him again.
Mordaunt or Johnson should be the "safe" bets by comparison to many others. Either one will do. Sunak is fine as tactician but does not command the crowd. Johnson has a slight advantage over Mordaunt but I like Mordaunt as she got guts!
The only way for Starmer to become a PM is for him to wish the war in Ukraine/Russia continues, otherwise he will just be another "Kinnock". He will come so so close to be PM seat but yet so so far ... LOL! I dare Labour to campaign on carbon emission.
Pritti Vacant has been quiet lately.
Johnson should be the “safe”
Hahaha
Johnson has 2 investigations ongoing and you know for certain that more scandal & incompetence will follow him like a bad smell
Johnson has 2 investigations ongoing and you know for certain that more scandal & incompetence will follow him like a bad smell
which is all irrelevant when it comes to Tories.
People have short memories don't they...
The thing with Bozza is that his MPs and Cabinet turned on him for good reasons.
They couldn't count on him not to throw them under the bus, his lies kept collapsing in on themselves, making whichever spokesperson was doing the round that day look foolish at best and complicit in the lying at worst.
By the end, third choice options were turning down ministerial jobs because they knew just how untrustworthy he was (and no doubt still is)... This wasn't all that long ago folks.
And he's still got a parliamentary standards enquiry hanging over him, he's utterly toxic to the (already near worthless) "Conservative Brand"...
Do you really think 1/3rd of Tory MPs actually want him (and his shit list from six months ago) back as PM?!?
The blue rinse brigade and mad Nad' may well want him back and think he's the only hero that can keep Labour out, but Tory MPs still get first say. If he's even in the running it's an utter travesty...
The one question that needs to be put to each candidate tomorrow is simple; if you get made Tory leader next week, will you look to call a general election?
chewkw - if only brant would tell us who you really are; he had some interaction with you when he was with PX/on one.
One thing has always been clear - you're a troll, pretending to be a malay on tyneside.
Pull the other one hinny.
You're not some fantastical creation from the mind of Leonard Barras; you're not in the same caategory as Seppie Elphinstook, goalkeeper for Wallsend Amnesia FC.
You're, at best, mildly amusing but only in extremely small doses.
What a clown.
An online poll? Imagine how many middle aged people in the Home Counties are going to be getting phone calls off elderly, racist parents asking them how the interweb works 😂
I sense an opportunity for some mischief here, if everyone could tell their respective Tory technophobe that it's a "reverse poll" and you have to click on the one you like least first, we could easily cock the results right up...
Watching Newsnight and I see Christopher Chope has been removed from his embalming machine and is blaming everything and everyone for removing Liz Truss before she got a chance to surprise us with her ability to govern.
Can we have a whip round for the poor old sod and fund him a Marie Curie nurse, it’s time we let him go in peace
Cant see why Johnson would want to reconsider the role. He recently got £315,000 for a 30 minute speech. PM only pays £165,000. And no extra benefit onto the pension. He'll likely do a large number of speaking jobs over the course of the year, plus of course be employed in a number of directorships.
£1m+ yearly wage as opposed to £165k ?. Don't think we'll be seeing him again.
You have to hand it to him though in a Machiavellian sense. Support Truss as continuity PM, knowing she is mad as a sack of badgers and will likely crash and burn, then ride to the rescue for 2024.
Trouble is, it's worked waaay too well, and too quickly. He needed at least another six months to a year for enough of the public to forget his record and rehabilitate him. Then they would have been so close to an election that a 'seasoned campaigner' would have been needed.
He’s already got more nominations than any other contender.
He can make money anytime
Are you discounting his planet sized ego?
Boris will be back in number ten by next weekend
He’ll be gone again in less time than Liz lasted
I think we should give lord bucket head a chance.
He can make money anytime
Are you discounting his planet sized ego?
Yup, Johnson never entered politic for the money. There is little doubt imo is that what motivates him is his ego. He is a showman, a narcissist, who needs to be loved.
Politics simply provides a stage for his act, nothing more.
I am certain that he dreams of returning to the limelight, but whether he feels that now isn't too early to return triumphantly as the comeback kid is another matter.
One of reasons Johnson has been remarkable successful in politics, despite offering little beyond an affable bumbling self-deprecating toff, is down to his ability to read the room.
He is a very effective opportunist, he will carefully check which way the wind is blowing and base his decisiona on that. I would be surprised if he thought now was the right time though. If he was relying on Liz Truss to screwup I suspect that he might of underestimated her ability to do so.
Edit: Is there anyone who needs the money less than Rishi Sunak? And I doubt Sunak spends restless nights worrying how struggling families will pay their bills.
Cant see why Johnson would want to reconsider the role.
Churchill did the PM thing twice and Johnson does like to pretend to live up to his fantasy version of him.
If he was relying on Liz Truss to screwup I suspect that he might of underestimated her ability to do so.
As someone who always thought she was barking mad, even I'm shocked at how quickly she's blown it all up
I'm torn, part of me wants to see Johnson back just to see him balls it all up again, but that really isn't what the country needs right now, people are facing a grim winter and a prime minister drowning in scandal, incompetence & corruption is not what's needed
Remember when we used to take the piss out of Italy for having right wing governments which would descent into in-fighting and last only days..
ohh.
No I remember taking the piss about that, but I do remember being pretty disgusted with Italian politics.
And that link has reminded me that no matter how appalling the political situation is in the UK it isn't as bad as in Italy, which adds a positive angle that I had forgotten.
Silvio Berlusconi has claimed that President Volodymyr Zelenskiy “provoked” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
Not even approaching anything said by any former UK prime minister.
“There are no real leaders in the West”, continued Berlusconi. “I can make you smile, the only true leader is me.”
Even at his most moronic I can't imagine Boris Johnson coming out with stuff like that. Presumably Berlusconi spouts that sort of shit because his followers love it.
And whoever the next UK prime minister is unlike the Italian PM mentioned in the link they are unlikely to have a background with links to fascist WW2 organisations.
We’ll that’s just absolutely *ing brilliant then eh?
Let’s all take the positives
We’re not quite as bad as Berlisconis Italy
Hurray for us!
Maybe you could compile a league table?
How do we rank against Pinochet’s Chile? Gadaffi’s Libya? Hungary? Turkey? Is ‘Global Britain’ punching its weight?
We’re not quite there yet so everything’s peachy *ing creamy eh?
Brilliant! God bless ****ing Brexit!
We’re absolutely screwed and all this is the result of a bunch of racist idiots voting the way they did in June 2016, because there’s no way on earth any of this shit would be happening if it weren’t for the trade war the halfwits of this country decided to declare on itself then. Liz Truss was inevitable after that, as well as Christ only knows what comes next
Johnson coming back would just complete the humiliation, so it’s pretty much nailed on for this basket case of a country, which at the last count was 52% moron
I was a bit ambivalent with regards Charles Walker and his eviscerating comments, wary of giving him credit for stating the obvious.
This performance in the chamber is even better though.
@binners nailed it. Brexit is the fundamental route cause of this bullsh1t that the government finds itself in now. We are absolutely ****ed and the rest of Europe and the world is laughing at us.
View from the pub last night is it'll be Johnson again, quite a few folks unhappy about that though and think it'll divide the Tories.
Why would Johnson stand again? He's just been paid £100k to give a speech in the US, where he was no doubt wined and dined by his sycophantic mates, then went on holiday with his current family. Why would he come back to the pittance of a PM's salary where his every move will be watched by the press and he has to do some actual work?
Oh yes, his massive ego and this self believe that he did nothing wrong.
Yeah, from a non-Tory perspective Johnson is by far the least worst choice. His political instincts (for what they are worth) are to the left of the other candidates, and he's such a disorganised arse that he doesn't achieve anything anyway
Plus of course he'll have a running commentary on his previous occupancy of the position that may very well end up with a debate in Commons about suspending him and triggering the Recall Act.
It'll be hilarious.
If it's the piss stained sofa then starmer can do another list but this time. Telegraph....sacked, foreign secretary......sacked, prime minister.....sacked (sure there are more) and he's only back because the person who replaced him was worse than the person his bosses sacked.
His political instincts (for what they are worth) are to the left of the other candidates, and he’s such a disorganised arse that he doesn’t achieve anything anyway
His political promises are to the left of other tory candidates, the policy he delivers are corporate welfare and service austerity. Which he was rather successful in achieving. The disorganised bluff and blunder did not fail in passing the vast majority of his legislative agenda, the fact it didn't meet with the bullshit promises isn't a failure on him, it is a failure of those who believe his lies.
He will be back delivering churlish soundbites before we kmow whats gone pn.
"we delivered, whilst they dithered" was a classic bj. They could not deliver because you were the party in power with decent people advising.
I didn't mind the Tories being sensationaly appalling whilst, for the most part, it didn't have a massive impact on most people.
Since brexshit its been a competition to see who can be worse than the previous encumbant, which appears to have peaked with Liz.
The whole knee jerk mini budget and the following debacle must surely be the end of the road and hopefully we can have a shake up of the system.
Being from the home counties with w a s p background and acquaintances i know 2 full tory party members. Binnes isn't far wrong with his generalisations. I find myself cringing at the things they say, and their offspring aren't much better, if at all.
Part of the problem with Johnson will be his ability to form a competent cabinet, I can't see any of the three chancellors we have had so far this year getting the job. Hunt broke ranks very early to call for Johnson's removal last time and needs to make a statement on the 31st. At least one of them will have to swallow a lot of pride if he is to stay on
Hunt wouldn't be any where near a Johnson cabinet, the past few weeks have empowered Hunt as a party "grandee" Johnson won't want that kind of power close to him, with the ability to undermine him, so he would be quickly replaced.
I think it is 50/50 as to whether Jonson will succeed in coming back, it is a fight between the remaining grandees and the party hollowed out to become a leadership cult, and I am not sure who will win. The grandees might have the mechanisms to manouver the fight in their favour, but for the grandee's to win they will have to take the wrath of the membership for their manoeuvring and gamble they can move on from that, and I am not sure they have the fight to do so, IMO Tories are instinctively cowardly while shouting and boasting about bravery.
Brilliant! God bless ****ing Brexit!
We’re absolutely screwed and all this is the result of a bunch of racist idiots voting the way they did in June 2016, because there’s no way on earth any of this shit would be happening if it weren’t for the trade war the halfwits of this country decided to declare on itself then. Liz Truss was inevitable after that, as well as Christ only knows what comes next
Get a grip. Your daily brexit rant is yet again ignoring reality. There is a reason why Liz Truss's tenure as prime minister will be shorter than any other PM in history - polls are currently showing that more than half of the electorate, those "racist idiots" which you despise so much, would vote Labour if there was an election tomorrow.
The Tories, who represent probably the most successful political party in Europe, are seeing their support collapse in a way never before seen in their 200 year history.
The Tories are undergoing an extremely severe crises of idealogy. The current Chancellor of the Exchequer less than 4 months ago was passionately arguing that UK corporation tax should be slashed to 15%, last week he grimly announced that he would be increasing it to 25% next April.
The ongoing Tory leadership contest is as much about idealogy as it is about personality.
Liz Truss was inevitable after that, as well as Christ only knows what comes next
It wasn't Christ that I saw on the telly a couple of days ago but the pollster being interviewed said that their poll was showing that under present conditions Labour would win a 300 seat majority.
All recent polls show the collapse of support for the Tories is so great that in some cases if a general election was held right now the Tories could end up the fourth largest party in Westminster after Labour, the SNP, and the LibDems.
Now when the dust finally settles it is unlikely that the result will be quite that devastating for the Tories, but all the indications are that "what comes next" is a Labour government and a severely emaciated Tory opposition who will in all likelihood have lost some of their most senior politicians.
Presumably you won't want to blame brexit for that.
Sorry to piss on your daily doom and gloom rant.
I think Boris will be the fastest route to an election.
I think his majority will be reduced a fair bit of he gets back in as a number of mp's have already said they will give up the whip or defect.
He might be given the role and not be able to command a majority.
More chaos incoming
😂
Anyone but a Tory please.
If this was happening in a third world country, we'd have sent a UN peacekeeping force and a fair chunk of humanitarian aid by now.
I was going to write "I reckon our American friend will be PM". Then I remembered the Green Card issue.
So:
I reckon our American friend Alexander, from the upper east side of Manhattan will be back "in charge".
I'd very much like to know who turns down cabinet jobs because liar is smart enough to know that whoever is CX is going to have to be tainted, poisoned then "executed". Likewise, when our "special friends" abandon Ukraine after the midterms, the SSD is going to be fronting for a failed operation and finally the Home Sec. is almost certainly going to have to have blood on their hands when "robustly" putting down riots.
He'll need and want to stuff these jobs with enemies, not allies, but surely there are only catastrophically cack sycophants and psychopaths who would want be in his fridge cabinet?
tories in a skip trying to drag the flytipped sofa out 😀
That PeoplePolling poll above ^^ is showing a 39% Labour lead.
A thirty-nine percent Labour lead, jeezus