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So after talking to a mate over the weekend, he's English, his wife Scottish. He lives there, she stays there. It's got me thinking about the use of the word [i]stay[/i] to mean live, reside, make your home there, whatever. But some other Scots I know use live rather than stay. Just wondering, is the use of the term split geographically? A class thing? Is it more pure scots to use it and only the incomers using live? If you stay one day do you live the next(i.e. is it interchangeable). What proportion use it, 45% maybe? 🙂
Just curious.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:19 am
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Ive been up here 13 years and I use 'stay'. One of the only few dozen words I have picked up (there are some good Scots words that are good alternatives or fill missing gaps) although kept all of my Nth Derbyshire/Sth Yorkshire accent. Ive on ever heard Stay here - Edinburgh, so not exactly deepest Scotland


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:25 am
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I stay here


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:28 am
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I do 🙂

It's always been stay. It's a common usage of the word throughout the country.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:29 am
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interesting highlight - hadn't thought of it before.

Up here (NE Scotland) the dialect would be 'bide' (as in "far d'ye bide?) which is more 'stay'.

Though I would say I 'live' in Scotland.. hm.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:30 am
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Up here (NE Scotland) the dialect would be 'bide' (as in "far d'ye bide?) which is more 'stay'.

And a bit lower down the country it is "comfy".

As in "Wur-d'ye comfy?"


 
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In French (at least in français québécois), it is expressed the same way.

So, 'Je restais au Québec pendant 4 ans' instead of 'Je vivais'.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:35 am
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I stay in Wakefield, moved down here from Fife nearly 2 years ago to be with my now fiancee. Think I've always used stay instead of live.


 
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in respect of Scotland, "stay" is the correct verb so as to indicate the natural tendency is actually to "leave" and those that "live" there are just fighting that tendency. 🙂


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:37 am
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As in "Wur-d'ye comfy?"

I always took that to be '...come fe?' as in come from, rather than where one is comfortable 🙂


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:38 am
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Graham - I'd say I cumfy Edinburgh but stay in Aviemore. I don't think you can change where you cum frae.


 
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a stiy in glesga.

I comfy glesga.

same thing, how? 😆


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:41 am
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I always took that to be '...come fe?' as in come from, rather than where one is comfortable

You're correct - but I kinda like that it works both ways 😀


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:42 am
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I stay in Falkirk,
Born and brought up in Renfrewshire


 
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So if you're a stayer at home what are you doing on holiday? Still staying or a different word for a few days or weeks in a hotel?

I didn't know bide was still being used either, only heard it used as part of bide-a-wee in Scotland or even bide yer weest in NornIrn.


 
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Where are you staying? (holiday etc)
Where do you stay? (live)

I'm staying at....

I stay in....


 
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or even bide yer weest in NornIrn.
haud yer wheesht.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:51 am
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Ah come fae Troon but ah stiy in Largs an ah stiy somewher else oan holiday.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:53 am
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This confused me when I arrived in Scotland. In Kiwiland, "stay" implies temporary residence, as in "I live in Paekakariki but I am staying in Waikenae while they rebuild my house".

In Edinburgh, some people say "stay" when they mean abide. I have noticed, you may form your own views, that there is a social class factor at work here, as with absolutely everything in the UK. It is so tiring how do you keep up with it all ?


 
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[i]I cumfy Edinburgh but a bide in Dundee[/i].
Lived in lots of places over the years,but every time I step off the train at Waverly,my heart says [b]hame[/b]


 
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Nah, think it's a Scots thing, we speak a load of shite at the best of times.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 9:59 am
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My dad's worst ever joke (at my wedding, thanks dad).

Officer to infantry private: Comfy here, Brown?
Private in response: No sur, ah cumfae Dundee (eh)

aaaargh. So bad it's almost good.


 
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the dude abides


 
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This one threw me when I first heard it, as it runs counter to general usage in England.

The other one that I notice - and see on here a lot - is to drop "to be" from sentences, e.g. "The car needs to be washed" is written/spoken as "The car needs washed."

The latter construction just doesn't compute to my English ears! (Mind you, nor does the Northern English equivalent of "The car is needing washing".)


 
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The other one that I notice - and see on here a lot - is to drop "to be" from sentences, e.g. "The car needs to be washed" is written/spoken as "The car needs washed."

yes!


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 10:29 am
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I and mrs_oab live in Scotland (and have done for 11 years across two time periods).
My kids, especially the youngest, stays here and has his piece at lunch 😉 .


 
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I step off the train at Waverly,my heart says hame

And yer nose says "Jeeeeesus whit is that reek?" 😉


 
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my inner voice reading this thread has gone all Hamish & Dougal.

Y'ull've had yer teeeeeaaaaaaa?

😉


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 10:41 am
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Ah come fae Ayr, ah stay in Kinlochleven, ah stid in Falkirk


 
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The car needs washed.

My wife does that and she's from Hertfordshire. She is a bloody weirdo though.


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 10:46 am
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I live in Scotland (Borders), but would use the term 'stay' when talking to a Scot - although I do think it's a class thing and/or connected to a broader accent.


 
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A dinnae ken whit the problem is, like.


 
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My kids, especially the youngest, stays here and has his piece at lunch

I once had a Scouse joiner on a site come barrelling into the site office in a panic because he thought there was going to be a gunfight.

Two other guys in the site canteen had had a verbal disagreement and one had flounced off in an angry huff whilst declaring...

"I'm away to the van tae get ma piece"


 
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a stiy in glesga.

I comfy glesga.

same thing, how?

Are you one of the Mountain Bothies Scotland facebook group members? 😆

Half the members seem to write it as it is said, ken?


 
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I got into a dude/sweet/dude/sweet/dude/... loop the first time I encountered "mind" as an Englander:

Them: "Will you mind to X?
Me: "No, I don't mind doing X"
...


 
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Sharing my first flat in London and we had a kitty for essentials like milk, bread etc. The convention was to take a note of how much was spent and keep it in the jar. I got a grilling from my flatmates when I'd jotted down "[i]Messages - £2.49[/i]"


 
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Ah comfrae Gelsga but Ah stiy in Dunblane an aw that bigman, know, Chief.

Have never noticed this before but I always used it, meet someone for the first time and it's "Where do you stay?" Never had them question it, Furrinurs that is.


 
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And - standing a bar in that there London ordering a drink.

Me: "[i]Can I have a pint of stout[/i]"
Barman hands me a half-pint of stout.


 
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I've educated people on "stay" and modify to "Live" for Americans and southerners.


 
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Mind seems to be an alternative for remember - 'Mind the boy who fell off his bike last week?'

We draw the line at jamp though, as in the past tense of jump, which my daughter claims 'everyone says it'.

And up here they pronounce Renault and Peugeot incorrectly too.

Ren-ult and Pew-geot 🙄


 
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One thing you might notice if you ask us a question and we aren't sure, we will reply "how?" instead of "why?!"


 
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we will reply "how?" instead of "why?!"

As in...

Gonnae no dae that?

How?

Jist gonnae no!


 
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Will someone think of the wains?


 
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Pew-geot

Well it's at least closer to the proper pronunciation (Poo-geot) than the berks that pronounce it Per-jo.

The car needs washed - I thought that was normal?!?

Matt - weans

Half the members seem to write it as it is said, ken?

Well that's Fifers for you. Eeh?


 
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Obviously when someone tells ye "whuar they're fae" the correct response is to query their taste in headwear:

"Wear the fox hat?"


 
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Or their choice of winter footwear.

"[i]Furry boots?[/i]"


 
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[i]Well that's Fifers for you. Eeh? [/i]

Fifers aren't Scots,they are beamed in from space 😛


 
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At least one of these folk is fay fife


 
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The other one that I notice - and see on here a lot - is to drop "to be" from sentences, e.g. "The car needs to be washed" is written/spoken as "The car needs washed."

OMITN - you picked a [url= http://microsyntax.sites.yale.edu/needs-washed ]particularly relevant[/url] example 🙂

Apparently the [i]"construction displays sensitivity to no significant sociolinguistic factors other than race"[/i]


 
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^ Im so glad I WFH. That's ace, and I'm giggling like a loon.


 
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Just off for a meeting with a Glaswegian colleague. I shall see how Anglicised he has become when I ask him where he stays.


 
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@ peterfile - helpfully they provided a map showing where the Scots immigrants landed and settled....


 
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Glasgow/Refrewshire background here :

I stay in East Kilbride

I live in my house

🙂

my kids have picked up the phase of someone 'giving them into trouble' - I hate that effin phrase ! 🙂


 
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on a related note I've recently found out the word "outwith" is Scottish, you can't use it in things like scientific journals for example where you need to use proper english.

Other ones possibly more local to Inverness:

that instead of those - "that ones there"

yous - "what are yous doing later?"


 
Posted : 11/01/2016 2:04 pm
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'yous' is more often West of Scotland is it not?

more often thought of a 'youse'...

Dialect / inflections take a while to twig -- round here vowels get transmuted so that "Asda' the supermarket becomes "Auusda' and so such that no word seems to contains the original cast of vowels..


 
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mine's


 
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on a related note I've recently found out the word "outwith" is Scottish

That's always been my observation. I discovered it when dealing with a Scottish lawyer who seemed to pepper their sentences with it.

But they never said "inwith" in place of "within"....

yous' is more often West of Scotland is it not?

more often thought of a 'youse'...

I lived in Manchester for long enough to hear this regularly from the locals. I suspect it's class based and more likely to be found from the Midlands northwards.


 
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Whit age ye?


 
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/scottish-sentences-that-will-confuse-the-****-out-of-ever#.vx2VDPLK0

Spam filter is a pain but replace **** with the f-word...

1. “I had a awfy guid Hogmanay.” – I don’t remember the first three days of this year.

2. “I’m doing Drynuary.” – I’ve stopped drinking during the day.
3. “What’s for you won’t go by ye.” – You’ll probably never get a job but I thought I should at least try to cheer you up.

4. “Awrite, ****?” – How are you, my dearest, oldest friend?
5. “Gonnae no dae that, pal?” – I will literally kill you if you do that again.

6. “You’re looking awfy peely-wally, son.” – You’re looking even more pale than usual.
7. “Lang may yer lum reek.” – I’m saying this because it’s New Year, but I have no idea what it actually means.

8. “I was heavy MWI last night.” – I had five Bacardi Breezers then spent the rest of the night taking selfies in the toilet.
9. “Fancy a munchy box and some telly round at mine?” – Netflix and chill?

10. “Ye make a better door than a windae.” – Move your heid out of the way, I’m trying to watch Taggart.
11. “Am gonnae wallap ye wan!” – I’m a tad miffed.

12. “It’s boiling oot.” – It’s over 11 degrees.
13. “Taps aff time!” – Behold! I must reveal my incredible pecs.

14. “Incredible pecs.” – Pasty, white beer belly.
15. “Fancy a wee drink?” – Fancy several very large drinks?

16. “If ye don’t speak the lingo awa’ back hame!” – I’m a racist.
17. “Ah, ya bastart!” – Ouchy!

18. “I’m just away oot for my messages.” – I’m off to buy a multipack of crisps, some Tennent’s, and a pint of milk.
19. “Fancy going for a quick swally after work?” – Fancy staying out until 3am?

20. “Dinnae fash yersel’.” – Don’t bother, you’ll just mess it up anyway.
21. “Where’s the Slam Tent, mate?” – I have taken many, many drugs.

22. “Lorraine Kelly? Naw, she’s a bit naff.” – She’s a national treasure and I’m in love with her.
23. “I cannae mind what happened last night.” – I most certainly do remember what happened last night, but I’m buggered if I’ll admit it.

24. “Awa’ with that birthday caird pish.” – Please stop showing heartfelt emotion, it’s not Scottish.
25. “Wanty grab some lunch?” – Want to run to Greggs and back in the rain?

26. “Tourists? Aye, they’re a great asset to Scotland.” – I wish they’d all piss off.
27. “Scotland is so beautiful in winter.” – I’m so incredibly, painfully cold.

28. “Aye, I can give you directions to the castle.” – Do they not have maps where you come from?
29. “You’ll huv hud yer tea?” – I would rather cut my own arm off than provide you with food.

30. “That’s pure boufin’, hen!” – Please stop eating that egg sandwich at your desk.
31. “Yer maw.” – I can’t think of a good comeback because I’m deeply unimaginative.

32. “Am away fir a kip. Shattered!” – I’m bored so I’m going to my room to look at my phone.
33. “Did ye see the Scotland game last night?” – I’m deeply, utterly sad and disappointed.

34. “Ye want yer square go?” – I want people to think I want to fight you so they think I’m hard, but I’m very much hoping you decline.
35. “Look at Tam’s motor, he must be minted.” – Tam’s got a 1998 Subaru Impreza.

36. “This is pure giein’ me the boak!” – I just tried salad for the first time.
37. “Rab had a wee bitty too much to drink last night.” – Rab punched a police horse and then shat in a bus shelter.

38. “Ah’ve got meh eh on a peh.” – I’m from Dundee.
39. “Fit shoe fits fit fit?” – I’m from Aberdeen.

40. “Did ye, aye?” – You lying sod.
41. “Yes.” – A profound political statement.

42. “No.” – An equally profound political statement.
43. “Tunnock’s.” – Traitors.


 
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'yous' is more often West of Scotland is it not?

No idea, all I have to go on is everyone said it at my school north of Inverness but no one says it down here in Edinburgh


 
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What about meeting someone at, 'the back of 4' Why not just say a quarter past or whatever time you really mean.


 
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But they never said "inwith" in place of "within"....

Because outwith does not mean without! It means out side of.


 
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Fifers aren't Scots,they are beamed in from space

As pointed out, that's Taysiders you're thinking of 😉

The Kingdom is a 'special' place...


 
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Fifers aren't Scots,they are beamed in from space

As pointed out, that's Taysiders you're thinking of 😉

The Kingdom is a 'special' place...


 
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im not sure now. in the past, i'd of just opened my mouth and the (correct or incorrect) words would've come out. now i'm thinkin about it, i dont know what id say......
thanks MLC


 
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"Set Phasers to malky" cracks me up every time 😀


 
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Don't forget its only in Scotland that two positives make a negative.

"Aye, right"


 
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I say "stay" and "dinnae" and "ken" and "youse" to fit in. Living in Edinburgh, I get looked at funny.
"youse?!! Where are you from?!"
eh, Yorkshire.
".....huh??"


 
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Don't forget its only in Scotland that two positives make a negative.

Meanwhile in England two negatives remain negative.

"I don't want no eels"


 
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Had to think about this.....

Stay, definitely stay in Fife 😀

Lived in Edinburgh and London in the past though.


 
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Stay, definitely stay in Fife

Nothing makes me happier than a Fifer stating that they are staying there #shutthebridges!


 
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What do you call a scotsman with one foot in his house and one in his garden?

Hamish

Indeed

I use outwith all the time and take great amusement in overiding spellchecker. Nobody ever bats an eyelid in North Britain. When I was at one of the #ourland demos last summer there was a brief discussion about the use of the term 'Stay' and the best explanation was that it was a result of the pre-clearance way of life whereby people had tenancy to stay on land. They didn't live there they stayed there. Until they got told to go. 'I dinnae want tae go tae america!'

Rubber bumpers!

Davie McKenzie!


 
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Fifers! Don't get me started. Was working on a site in anstruther a few years back, gadge walks down the other side of the road and shouts out 'Thas a braw stane wall tha!' WTF?

It's borderline Officer Crabtree I tell you.

I got mates in Rosshire who get their wives to answer open and reply to texts. Plus you never know what time zone they are on! GMT, Black Isle time, nobody's got a clue!


 
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[i]on a related note I've recently found out the word "outwith" is Scottish, you can't use it in things like scientific journals for example where you need to use proper english.[/i]

When an ex-IT Director used this on a call with an English company there was a silence - so I interjected to explain what it meant. Afterwards she expressed surprise that they didn't know, as she assumed it was a general British expression, having always used it.


 
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I am from [i]outwith [/i]Fife in more ways than one... but I do, incredibly, like it where I [s]stay[/s] live.


 
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I used to bide in Aberdeenshire. I had a bidey-in as well, although I married the quine


 
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That's unusual. Being from Aberdeen I'd have expected you to have married your sister.


 
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