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My money is on Gove
I appreciate you have a specific link, but the real answer should be 'which one?'
There are 'only' 56 MPs currently facing allegations of sexual misconduct, so you've got a fair chance of being right regardless of who you pick.
I hope it's Raab
I suspect who ever it is, they will probably quite enjoy a meeting with the Chief Whip!
Are you sure it wasn't a recording of the labour front bench being circulated?
I hope that the name of who did this is shared, and that appropriate action (sacking) follows. And then I woke up.
Well there was that MP who was found to have visited porn sites on his office computer (Damian Green I think) because evidence was in his cache. So they have to use their mobiles instead.
Grrrrr.... Every time I see Rees-Mogg's smug coupon...
It's difficult to guess who it is as they are all w*nkers.
Great. If they use their mobiles and the HoC WiFi, then the domains and IP addresses should be in the logs somewhere.
Sadly, unless it is really depraved stuff, this is not illegal. Applying moral judgements to it doesn't wash with this bunch of amoral cockbags, so we'll have to hope that they used a work device and there is an AUP in place that allows them to be either sacked or reprimanded based on HR policy.
Coupon?
Are you sure it wasn’t a recording of the labour front bench being circulated?
I'm reminded of Sean Lock's NSFW quip on Countdown.
Great. If they use their mobiles and the HoC WiFi, then the domains and IP addresses should be in the logs somewhere.
Recorded as a legal requirement even, thanks to the Investigatory Powers Bill that they themselves made statute.
That Mogg photo is fake - he uses a wired telephone and get his kicks from a lady describing the cut of her bloomers.
Remarkable the number of STW members with such biblical attitudes to sex when religious threads usually get shut down because of attitudes to religion. 🙂
Do you people really find it anything more than slightly amusing that an MP views porn at work? Perhaps the people at STW can use their cookie-obtained info to report how many of us have a porn window open at the same time as STW and a professional window. Yhat would also be slightly amusing but no more.
Cougar - The story goes that trams back in the 1890s or so used to issue coupons which the conductor - or clippie - would punch holes to validate each journey, much like some old-school conductors still do on the trains in Glasgow.
As the next most common thing likely to be punched in the city was someone's face, over time punch your coupon (in) in reference to your tram tickets entered Glasgow slang to refer to a punch in the face by someone. As a result, coupon substituted face.
Sadly, unless it is really depraved stuff, this is not illegal. Applying moral judgements to it doesn’t wash with this bunch of amoral cockbags, so we’ll have to hope that they used a work device and there is an AUP in place that allows them to be either sacked or reprimanded based on HR policy.
If you applied the Actual Law to everyone in HoC, I reckon the vast majority of them would be sacked, bankrupt from the sheer number of fines or actually in jail.
And on top of it all, do any of them actually do any work? It seems to be all organising parties, having the parties and recovering from parties. With a sideline in ****ing.
I don't have the most demanding job in the world but I do know that I don't have time to be partying or ****ing on work time and I also know that any attempt to access porn on a work computer is an instant on the spot dismissal. This lot though... 🙄
If it wasn't so tragic, I'd quite like a job where I got £80+k a year, all my expenses and the time to party...
Edit: oh it's a blocked word. Rhymes with banking...
Remarkable the number of STW members with such biblical attitudes to sex when religious threads usually get shut down because of attitudes to religion. 🙂
Do you people really find it anything more than slightly amusing that an MP views porn at work? Perhaps the people at STW can use their cookie-obtained info to report how many of us have a porn window open at the same time as STW and a professional window. Yhat would also be slightly amusing but no more.
If I did it in work and a colleague caught me, Id expect to get the sack or at least some sort of disciplinary
Also, importantly, this front bench MP wasn't on their own in a private office, they were in the chamber of the House of Commons... which they not only share with their fellow MPs, but is televised live for the nation. What a grotbag.
Is it really that biblical to prefer if people didn't watch porn in public?
I never realised I was such a puritan.
Do you people really find it anything more than slightly amusing that an MP views porn at work?
Really? Amusing that someone watches porn whilst sitting next to a female colleague? Really???
Do you people really find it anything more than slightly amusing that an MP views porn at work? Perhaps the people at STW can use their cookie-obtained info to report how many of us have a porn window open at the same time as STW and a professional window. Yhat would also be slightly amusing but no more.
If they were caught watching in a private space then I could sympathise with your opinion. On the floor of the country's legislative house with colleagues watching over your shoulder? That stops being funny.
Amusing that someone watches porn whilst sitting next to a female colleague?
No, that's the first time that's been mentioned on the thread. So I'll add, "really???".
Edit: and doubt the MP's sanity rather than interests. I hadn't realised the MP was publicly viewing porn if that was the case. I'd assumed it was like many previous cases where traces were found on computers etc..
Edukator
No, that’s the first time that’s been mentioned on the thread. So I’ll add, “really???”.
Details in the link in the first post.
The same person was caught by female colleagues watching porn both in the house of commons and a committee meeting.
I think the issue is what it says about your judgement if you think that watching grot at work isn't likely to get you into a spot of bother
What people do concensually behind closed (and preferably locked) doors even at work isn't my business. A couple of colleagues used to make good use of work's time and were quite noisy about it. One of them introduced me to his wife recently, I managed to keep a straight face.
he uses a wired telephone and get his kicks from a lady describing the cut of her bloomers.
I didn't expect lols from this thread, but that gave me one (oo-er etc.)
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wired telephonetelegraph and get his kicks from a lady describingthe cut of her bloomersher well-turned ankles.
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Edukator
What people do concensually behind closed (and preferably locked) doors even at work isn’t my business.
Just to be clear, then, you're happy with MP's viewing porn, on their phones, in their offices, when they are supposed to be working?
Anywhere else that would be gross misconduct, let alone doing so in the actual House sat next to other MPs, let alone female ones.
There were news stories a while back about people arrested for viewing porn on their phones on the train. Why is the HoC any different?
And people wonder why the Tories keep getting voting in...
My money is on Pritti watching some industrial strength man-on-man action and sending screen shots to the entire front bench.
If I did it in work and a colleague caught me
that is a very specific genre.... do go on
Just to be clear, then, you’re happy with MP’s viewing porn, on their phones, in their offices, when they are supposed to be working?
It that situation I'd put it as the same level as those people on here currently at work in their offices on STW. Happy? I wouldn't know so wouldn't be happy or sad.
Sat next to other MPS of whatever sex on the benches of the house isn't acceptable IMO.
According to Frankie Boyle a slow puncture at sea is what does it for P Patel.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/frankie-boyle-defended-bbc-after-22755696
Christ, not more comedy offending stupid people, so needed to see that link.
It that situation I’d put it as the same level as those people on here currently at work in their offices on STW. Happy? I wouldn’t know so wouldn’t be happy or sad.
It's not really the same thing though is it. We are all allowed free internet access in our job, as its in web design.
Although I'm pretty sure browsing porn hub would be instant dismissal, despite my protests that I'm appraising thier UI for usability ideas 😀
Sat next to other MPS of whatever sex on the benches of the house isn’t acceptable IMO.
Which presumably is the whole point...... the risk, the "who's been a naughty boy". I doubt very much that it was because the perv was so busy that they simply didn't have a moment on their own.
Didn't one of the Tories mock the Labour Party website for having adverts of Arab Prostitutes showing as banner ads...
...until someone explained that the banner ads were selected based on his previous browser history.
Might be a myth but made me smile.
Binners use the term "grot" which I find odd for an artist. I won't list porn sites that I'd put on the same level as browsing STW at work because on past experience that would get me a ban but there's porn and porn. From the soft or erotic art end of the spectrum to the illegal end. Then there are the dating sites or exchange sites you may or may not consider porn which are at the same level as people talking about their latest MTB or group ride and linking pics on STW.
It won't be long before people come up with the word "exploitation" so I'll point out that I consider that many of the people doing extreme dangerous things for Red Bull are being exploited.
My money is on Ree-Smug
Then there are the dating sites or exchange sites you may or may not consider porn which are at the same level as people talking about their latest MTB or group ride and linking pics on STW.
That's nothing - some forum members seem to get off on starting arguments on threads. No kink-shaming from me.
Binners use the term “grot” which I find odd for an artist.
Do I get a little put down for using the term "grotbag"?
Are you suggesting that the MP's peers might have misconstrued art for porn, and that the bloke has simply been misunderstood? Remember, this is Conservative MPs making a compliant about someone who sits on the Conservative front bench... they're unlikely to be quick to throw accusations about.
Who is the house of commons perv?
Who gives a shit.
It is distracting from Partygate - which is what has the Tories worried.
Most new skool Tory support still lament the loss of Page 3, so it's a safe message to push.
Not so much the pissups that Johnson was having whilst most traditional Tory support didn't dare open the windows let alone go outside.
That is why this crap needs ignoring and there to be only one theme.
PARTYGATE BABY YEAH!
From the soft or erotic art end of the spectrum to the illegal end. Then there are the dating sites or exchange sites you may or may not consider porn
Wow. The internet is such a mystery to us all it needs egg-sucking levels of explanation on STW! Genius.
Most new skool Tory support still lament the loss of Page 3, so it’s a safe message to push.
I'd like to know what Melody, 19, from Watford, makes of all this....
The internet is such a mystery to us all...
It genuinely is a mystery to those in the HoC.
From Nadine Dorries "downstreaming" and asking Microsoft about [url= https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nadine-dorries-microsoft-algorithm-twitter_uk_62331aaee4b0d39357c37f9c ]"getting rid of algorithms"[/url], Theresa May demanding that Google / Facebook etc remove "harmful content" within the rather arbitrary timeframe of 2hrs...
None of them have a ****ing clue. Although it seems most of them can use a search engine...
gardentiger
Who gives a shit.
It is distracting from Partygate – which is what has the Tories worried.
Most new skool Tory support still lament the loss of Page 3, so it’s a safe message to push.
Not so much the pissups that Johnson was having whilst most traditional Tory support didn’t dare open the windows let alone go outside.
That is why this crap needs ignoring and there to be only one theme.
PARTYGATE BABY YEAH!
One things for sure, if the rate of scandals stays this high we're going to run out of gates
It would be difficult to guess. Most of them are permanently red-faced and talking in incoherent splutterings of manufactured (or genuine) outrage about something.
Mind you, there’s a fair few for whom the excitement would prove fatal.
For the ones getting caught viewing porn in the office I’m just surprised that they are too dumb to even use a VPN. As mentioned earlier it is mandated that the logs are kept, but it’s so easy to get round that with a VPN.
Doing it on the floor of the HoC though is a whole other level of stupidity.
As a result, coupon substituted face.
Every day's a school day. Thank you.
there’s porn and porn. From the soft or erotic art end of the spectrum to the illegal end. Then there are the dating sites or exchange sites you may or may not consider porn which are at the same level as people talking about their latest MTB or group ride and linking pics on STW.
However you care to slice this, whether it's the 'good kind' of porn or not, is irrelevant. There will be an Acceptable Use policy in place which defines what they can and cannot do. If they have breached this policy then it is misconduct.
In any case, if we can use an analogue analogy for a moment, it should be blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain who isn't either a desperate Tory apologist or looking for an argument on the Internet that there is a raft of difference between slacking off at work with a copy of the Beano and slacking off at work with a copy of Razzle. Doubly so if you're likely to be accidentally shoulder-surfed.
It genuinely is a mystery to those in the HoC.
From Nadine Dorries “downstreaming”
Did you see her explanation for that? She blamed it on dyslexia.
Could be Thérèse Coffey
None of them have a **** clue. Although it seems most of them can use a search engine…
I’m just surprised that they are too dumb to even use a VPN.
I forget who it was now, but one MP (speaking about internet piracy), clearly didn't understand the difference between IP (internet protocol) and IP (intellectual property).
This is going back a few years but was an absolute classic example of someone pretending to know what they are talking about with authority on the subject, being so hillariously wrong it almost wasn't funny.
As mentioned earlier it is mandated that the logs are kept, but it’s so easy to get round that with a VPN.
It's a degree of effort but it's not difficult to block / identify outbound VPN traffic. One might argue that a government establishment should be doing this by default to protect against far greater threats than some former public schoolboy watching a bit of lunchtime grumble.
And lest we not forget (again) this is a government which established the Investigatory Powers Bill and has tried on more than one occasion to un-invent one-way encryption. It would of course be unthinkable that rather than leading by example they'd be making rules for us that they don't follow themselves, right?
From Nadine Dorries “downstreaming”
Surely that's simply tory policy on disposal of industrial waste into british waterways?
I forget who it was now, but one MP (speaking about internet piracy), clearly didn’t understand the difference between IP (internet protocol) and IP (intellectual property).
Let's all take a wild guess, should we?
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1517492461127577603?s=20&t=um1zgdiJ9KFVpMbmHjaU9g
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1517503293114699777?s=20&t=um1zgdiJ9KFVpMbmHjaU9g
I forget who it was now, but one MP (speaking about internet piracy), clearly didn’t understand the difference between IP (internet protocol) and IP (intellectual property).
Yeah, I saw that, they didn't just 'not understand the difference,' they didn't know there was a difference to understand. They explained it to the house as an Intellectual Property Address.
Irritatingly I don't remember who it was now either. Can anyone else?
It’s a degree of effort but it’s not difficult to block / identify outbound VPN traffic.
You might be able to see that they were using a VPN (and block it) but as I understand it you wouldn't be able to see what sites they were visiting. I'm no expert though.
Is it Boris? 😆
Did you see her explanation for that? She blamed it on dyslexia.
Which is even more stupid than just blaming it on rank stupidity.
This is the woman remember who proudly admitted that she shared her login details with all her support staff (ironically around the time of another MP being investigated for having porno on his work laptop).
https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/mps-clueless-tech-no-wonder-share-passwords-108110
This is a Government which is forever championing the use of (usually very non-specific) "technology" to solve issues like borders in the Irish Sea and ID cards while also being utterly clueless about encryption, algorithms and hashtags (other than thinking they're Bad Things Because A Terrorist Can Use Them).
Yeah, I saw that, they didn’t just ‘not understand the difference,’ they didn’t know there was a difference to understand. They explained it to the house as an Intellectual Property Address.Irritatingly I don’t remember who it was now either. Can anyone else?
@Cougar - that would be the Rt Honourable Steven Timms, the UK's Minister for Digital Britain (yes really) in 2010.
Edukator
It that situation I’d put it as the same level as those people on here currently at work in their offices on STW. Happy? I wouldn’t know so wouldn’t be happy or sad.
Not really. Leaving aside the moral issues over porn, it's a false equivalence between browsing STW, (or Twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc etc) and viewing material for your own sexual gratification at work.
Pretty sure whilst the former may get you reprimanded the latter would constitute gross misconduct.
And that's before we get into whether our lawmakers *should* be (and they patently aren't at the moment) examples of moral rectitude for the rest of us.
I mean, I remember back in the mists of time when misleading Parliament was a resigning matter...
Did you see her explanation for that? She blamed it on dyslexia.
Who was the woman MP whose husband was proved to be watching "Pay Per View" Porn back at the hotel while his wife was at a meeting (or conference). I think it only came out because the hotel bill was put through as expenses, including the porn - which I assume she hadn't noticed.
I remember seeing her on National TV standing outside her house apologising while her husband stood beside her. Let's see if this goes the same way 🙂
I'm amazed* they've not been thrown out their party and deselected. Total contempt for the house, their constituents and tax payers who pay their salary. Totally unacceptable behaviour at work (even watching a non porn movie at work should be disciplinary material).
* obviously I'm not at all as this is the Tories, so he'll probably get promoted to cabinet soon.
martinhutch Full Member
There are ‘only’ 56 MPs currently facing allegations of sexual misconduct,
From page 1 of this thread! I'm surprised at STW just glossing over this! Or is there a separate thread I missed...?
All the talk of gross misconduct and such assumes it was a work device or a personal device used on a work network. That's quite the assumption. I don't often agree with Ed but the comparison is fair (if not exactly balanced), I assume all your workplaces have acceptable use policies that don't include sitting on STW all day. I assume none of you zone out during boring bits of meetings or such and do something else.
Leaving aside the stupidity/vulgarity of watching porn in public places, if a tree falls and nobody is there did they really get wood?
You might be able to see that they were using a VPN (and block it) but as I understand it you wouldn’t be able to see what sites they were visiting. I’m no expert though.
Any law abiding, self respecting organisation* will require you to connect from home/mobile via thier own cooperate VPN of choice, where they have complete visibility and control, if they want.
*excluding the UK government 😉
Do you people really find it anything more than slightly amusing that an MP views porn at work?
I find it wholly unacceptable and it would be a sackable offence at my work. We have an IT policy and any such usage would be in contravention of that policy. What MPs or anyone else chooses to do in the privacy of their own home, in their own time, subject to legality, is of no interest whatsoever.
All the talk of gross misconduct and such assumes it was a work device or a personal device used on a work network. That’s quite the assumption.
Would you consider sitting in the house browsing through a paper copy of Readers' Wives to be gross misconduct or no?
These are grown-ass adults who are at least supposed to be running the country, not 14-year olds being caught behind the bike sheds having a crafty fag. Maybe the grumble wasn't theirs, they were just holding it for a friend.
Everyone is assuming the MP was streaming it, but it could have been downloaded on their own wifi/mobile connection...
(I'm not condoning the behaviour!)
Any law abiding, self respecting organisation*
...
*excluding the UK government 😉
You already excluded them before providing a disclaimer.
All the talk of gross misconduct and such assumes it was a work device or a personal device used on a work network. That’s quite the assumption.
I don't think that is the assumption at all. I think the assumption is an MP was acting inappropriately by watching porn on work time, a gross misconduct offence, regardlesss of the porn delivery mechanism.
Would you keep a copy of Razzle in your desk draw and think that that's acceptable? hehehe 😀
Could’ve been a home movie
If I, as a civil servant, was watching porn at work, gross misconduct would see me sacked in less than a week.
Being logged into STW all day is also gross misconduct, whether you are using it or not. But we can look at STW at lunchtime. But definitely not porn.
Just seen tomorrow's Matt cartoon for the Telegraph (I follow him on FB) - he's spot on as usual.
Would you consider sitting in the house browsing through a paper copy of Readers’ Wives to be gross misconduct or no?
That depends, am I supposed to be working?
If I, as a civil servant, was watching porn at work, gross misconduct would see me sacked in less than a week.
Being logged into STW all day is also gross misconduct, whether you are using it or not. But we can look at STW at lunchtime. But definitely not porn.
Thank you, someone else gets the point.
Lord Snooty in the Chief Whips Office with a copy of Knave.
My understanding is the alleged offence was reported by an adjacent female Tory colleague**. Coulda been offline, coulda been on a personal device via a mobile / cellular connection, coulda been on a work device blah blah. But irrespective of whether it was 'work' resources were involved it'll undoubtedly fall foul of what constitutes accepted behaviour in the Chamber. However the word 'disrepute' is being redefined on a weekly basis.
** which also means it'll be a Lynton Crosby dead cat.
There are ‘only’ 56 MPs currently facing allegations of sexual misconduct, so you’ve got a fair chance of being right regardless of who you pick.
Is that for real ? There’s what , 650 MP’s in total so that’s near enough 10% of em.
Seems incredibly high. That’s quite WTF isn’t it ?
Not overly surprised...a position of power immediately makes you think you are above everyone else - perfectly demonstrated by Partygate and the rest of the mince going on.
It is a shameful state to be in though...