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Listening to Jacob Rees Mogg this morning on LBC got me thinking about others who are inflicted with this "superiority complex " from a verbal point of view.
What other upper class twits come to mind ...would anyone make JRM sound like a commoner?
Brian Sewell
Brian Sewell
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paxman
any tory mp...........ever.
Joe Lycett
Brian Badonde
any tory mp...........ever.
Even Will-yum 'aig?
Brian sewell made me piss myself ..sounds like he has a broom stuck up his backside whilst sucking several plums! Even his face tells you he's pompous highbrow
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-16440828/five-minutes-with-brian-sewell ]Brian sewell[/url]
^ yes.
oh, and will self
Not so much a "snobby" voice but whenever i hear "melanie philipps" condescending attitude on the radio (usually the moral maze) i can't help but imagine knocking her teeth down the back of her throat.
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somafunk - Member
Not so much a "snobby" voice but whenever i hear "melanie philipps" condescending attitude on the radio (usually the moral maze) i can't help but imagine knocking her teeth down the back of her throat.
My wife is also called Melanie Phillips and I can confirm that she has a condescending attitude.
Seems quite normal to me 😉
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sewell
PS Didn't know he died in 2015 though. RIP
Seems quite normal to me.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sewell
PS Didn't know he died in 2015 though. RIP
*prays for Joe Cocker*.
Early Paxman ..he's mellowed more in recent times..
Why is it bad to speak well? Is it for the same reason that it's bad to be intelligent, articulate or an expert on something?
Is this country so sick that we celebrate ignorance, lack of education, emotional incontinence, bogus working class speech and sloppy manners?
Why is it bad to speak well? Is it for the same reason that it's bad to be intelligent, articulate or an expert on something?Is this country so sick that we celebrate ignorance, lack of education, emotional incontinence, bogus working class speech and sloppy manners?
Shuttup blud. 😆
Gove.
There's a big difference between speaking correctly and being snobbish about it, the speaker's accent has little to do with it.
Perfectly possible to ‘speak well’ WITHOUT being a condescending nobber with a superiority complex. It’s also possible to be a condescending nobber without being able to speak well.
Indeed.
Why is it bad to speak well? Is it for the same reason that it's bad to be intelligent, articulate or an expert on something?
Speaking well and speaking in a condescending fashion are not the same thing, it's just that often they go hand in hand as for some people, education/privilege has endowed them with a good grasp of English and a condescending attitude! I am a bit a stickler for grammar and the correct use of language but (I hope) that does not mean I am viewed as being condescending. Conversely, it is entirely possible to speak very badly yet be hugely condescending at the same time.
Leeeeeeeeeza Tarbuck.
She's not posh, but my word she's condescending.
Why is it bad to speak well?
You have an odd definition of speaking well. People like Sewell speak with absurd affectations:
hair = here
ears = yes
orfleh = awfully
rarely = really
etc.
That's just RP; it's what those people learned when they were children. Up to the seventies all BBC commentators including sports commentators spoke like that. How do you pronounce those words?
Arthur Scargill.
Stoner.
This'll mean nothing to anyone, but one of the directors at my old firm was the most condescending I've ever spoken too. Anything he said, to anyone, always sounded like it was a thinly veiled insult and that you were merely the dog muck on the sole if your shoe.
Is it Margot from the Good Life?
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Stoner.
😀
Michael Winner
That's just RP; it's what those people learned when they were children.
Yes, upper class people were taught to speak in an utterly ridiculous way. That is not speaking well.
Up to the seventies all BBC commentators including sports commentators spoke like that.
No they didn't. John Arlott began his BBC career in 1946.
Mary Ann Hobbs, when she's doing classical, she speaks to the audience as if she thinks they might die before the end of the show. And Fiona Bruce when she's putting the oil into talking about royalty, urgh
I have a colleague whose voice sets me right on edge, she can make a totally reasonable comment and all I hear is A PEASANT! UNLEASH THE HOUNDS! Took me a while to discover she's actually really nice but even now after years it can catch me out.
What with all 'is glo'al stops understanding DD is nigh on impossible. Raggish street urchin that he is.
Fill your boots.
John Humphrys, a Welsh former dairy farmer.
John Humphrys, a Welsh former dairy farmer.
Good shout. Sewell may have been comically posh, but Humphrys is an oaf, patronising everyone he interviews.
hard pushed to decide between William Hanson and Brian Sewell, but I think Hanson edges it as he has an additional layer of pomposity that he can apply to everything under the sun. If I ever had the opportunity to do anything with him, I would revel in offending him with every breath I took
Nigella Lawson.
Why is it bad to speak well? Is it for the same reason that it's bad to be intelligent, articulate or an expert on something?Is this country so sick that we celebrate ignorance, lack of education, emotional incontinence, bogus working class speech and sloppy manners?
For the same reason that it is really funny to start a thread on how VW Transporters (actually a pretty practical vehicle for moving bikes around?*) are a 'trending' vehicle in trail centre car parks by someone who couldn't possibly afford one :twisted:. Sneering, inverse snobbery, basically**. 😈 😈 😈 😀
Seriously, judge people by what they say, not by their accent, dialect or how they been brought up/educated.
*Full disclosure, I don't own one.
**Deliberate attempt at irony, for anyone that missed it. 🙄
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Alpha1653 - Member<snip> I am a bit a stickler for grammar
Well dig that one out then...
I find sewell far posher than hanson.It's nothing to be with speaking correctly ...it's the comical exaggerated head up the arse RP voice I'm looking for.
Humphries doesn't have a nose in the air voice at all to my ear.
Angela Rippon
Blair.
Dunno why but the headspace app guy's voice instantly boils my proverbial, most non relaxing experience ever.
The woman who does the voiceovers on Masterchef. Grrr.
Humphries doesn't have a nose in the air voice at all to my ear.
I wasn't rising to your "RP = condescending" hard-done-by-chip-on-shoulder angle.
My sister in law
Ive heard loads of posh voices in my time, but one stands out head and shoulders above all others.....Brian Sewell.(as others have pointed out already)
Every time I heard him speak, I just cringed, it was sooo awful!
Always loved this Victor Lewis Smith prank call to Brian Sewell:
Brilliant!
Lloyd Grossman
David Starkey