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I’m absolutely convinced our 2008 Kuga diesel - literally one of the first on the road - doesn’t have a DPF. Mostly used for school & town driving with once or twice motorway runs spring through to autumn I’ve never seen, smelt, felt or evidenced a drop in mpg that would indicate a regen. With 91k miles on the clock, surely it must have - so how can I tell if it has a Dpf without getting underneath?
Secondly, it should have had a new Cambelt on/before 2018. It was on a Ford service plan with equal monthly payments (it isn’t now), and they are are saying they can’t see it on their records. Again how can I see externally if a new one has been fitted?
Finally, is anyone an expert on the Pug diesel aka Ford Duratorq inside? Some internet googling suggests it might be a pretty robust if not the most powerful Peugeot unit, so with the car now old I’m wondering if I can count on it being fairly reliable for this year.
do you mean a DPF?
Anything post 1993 has to have a cat by law. As above, assume you mean DPF due to asking the re-gen question.
Yep. You are think Deisel Particle filter. Only really became mandatory IIRC around end of 2009
Ffs - yes I meant dpf, sorry! I’ve edited the OP.
Just did some googling and seems you should have a DPF so scrap above comment.
Not to worry you like 🙂
eg.
https://www.kugaownersclub.co.uk/threads/diesel-pull-draw-runaway.12018/
Would a service plan include a timing belt change?
What's making you concerned about the DPF? (if one is fitted). If it's still running OK just carry on driving it.
As for reliability, who can say - but 91k on a diesel is bugger-all. My last one had 220k on it but electrics let that down not the engine.
so how can I tell if it has a Dpf without getting underneath?
very difficult to potentially.
Even in the same model and the same year, they mix up parts and roll out subtle differences to version.
Ive got a 2.2L EuroVI engine, which 90% of people on the ford forums will adamantly insist doesnt exist and i must be mistaken.
If you dont spend all your time sat in traffic, choking up a DPF, it should clear itself and should regen on its own.
On the early dpf models, they declined to fit a light to tell you when it was regning. I heard that the manfacturers didnt think people wanted to know and didnt want lights to confuse them. Now i think they add a light or a notice for information and reassurance?
tbh. If its behaving, forget about it.
or if you plug in a OBD reader, one of the readings you should be able to get is DPF soot load (in %)
We've currently (by accident rather than design) got a 2013 and 2014 Mondeo and Focus - never noticed either of them doing a regen. Fords seem to either have a different approach to it, or just do them without making a song and dance about it - not sure which
so how can I tell if it has a Dpf without getting underneath?
Euro 4 was the standard then and not all diesel cars had a DPF for Euro 4
Any specific warning lights (some just use the general engine fault light)?
Ring a Ford main dealer and give the VIN
Plug a decent diagnostic in, it'll tell you the DPF % full
Has it passed an MoT since you owned it? If it needs a DPF then it's got one
If your driving profile is ok then you might never know. Heat is generally only noticeable if you stop mid-regen
Olly and Mashr are better typerists than me
I’ve never seen, smelt, felt or evidenced a drop in mpg that would indicate a regen.
I’ve never noticed my 3 series doing anything regen related, you can’t always tell. My van I think I’ve seen the idle revs slightly higher than usual once or twice but other than that nothing noticeable.
To check I’d have a good look at the exhaust under the bonnet and under the car to see if you can find one, it’ll look like a cat but with a couple of sensors and pipes/tubes attached to it.
so how can I tell if it has a Dpf without getting underneath?
who cares - its running fine,and presumably you've had the car a few years and its run fine all those years, so dont worry about it.
Incidentally - our kuga (2017 model) definitely does have a DPF and only ever gets used for short trips, and I've never noticed it doing a regen either
Again how can I see externally if a new one has been fitted?
you cant - if you took the belt covers off immediately after a new one was fitted , the new belt would look new, but after this period of time, it'll look old.
You need to check back through the service receipts and see if it states the belt was changed, if it doesnt state that it was changed then it probably wasnt changed. And even though the car was on a service plan (ie you didnt pay for each service individually) they should have given you paperwork after each service that stated what work has been carried out.
I'd doubt that a cambelt would be included in the service plan - so if ford say they have no record of it, then its probably not been done - probably worth getting that sorted ASAP if thats the case.
Again how can I see externally if a new one has been fitted?
you can’t 😞
If the belt was supposed to have been done in 2018 and it isn't clear whether it has or not I'd just get it done. Most manufacturers recommend a belt change every 5 years max regardless of mileage so you're not missing out on much by getting it done and are taking a bit of a punt on the belt lasting if it wasn't done in 2018...
Most manufacturers recommend a belt change every 5 years max regardless of mileage
just been googling - as we have a 2017 diesel kuga, which is coming up to 5 years old, and I thought the same as you that its usually 5 years when the belt needs to be changed, but was pleasantly surprised to find that ford recommend a belt change every 10 years on these engines
I think many of the early 1.8 "Ford" TDCi units didn't have a DPF - maybe they were the Peugeot lumps?
If you dont spend all your time sat in traffic, choking up a DPF, it should clear itself and should regen on its own.
they don’t clear themselves for ever. The particulates they filter are a mixture of soot and ash, mostly soot . Soot is combustible and that’s what’s cleared by heating the filter on a regen. Ash isn’t so that’s left behind and builds up over time. DPFs are a consumable item in that respect (all be it a pretty expensive one).
ford recommend a belt change every 10 years on these engines
And that would stack up quite nicely with a 2008 Kuga needing a belt in 2018 🙂
Check the engine compartment for the DPF sensor, if you don't have one, then you probably don't have a DPF
Since this has popped up I can't help but ask...
My Dad's 2007 Mazda 6 has got a flashing DPF light on. He has tried the 'drive it at high revs to clear it' advice that has previously worked but not this time and the light continues to flash away. What are the chances of the engine stopping and leaving him stranded in the middle lane of the motorway (his natural car based habitat?)
He is going to buy a new car in the very near future but has become nervous about using this one (which he doesn't use much to start with).
Could be the DPF itself, more likely a sensor. Wouldn't expect it to conk out on him, but may go onto restricted power. Worth getting it plugged in to see what the fault code is
What lights do you get on the dash when you initially turn on the ignition? The DPF light would normally come on briefly if you have a DPF fitted I would have thought.
DPFs are a consumable item in that respect (all be it a pretty expensive one).
£2k for a genuine VW replacement for my VW T5.
@keppoch - I had a 2006 Mazda 6 and had awful DPF issues with it around 2011/12.
If the DPF light comes on and stays on, then it will probably go into limp mode which means that he can get home but at low revs and low speed. This happened to me once.
If he gives it a run of say 20mins at 65mph on the dual carriageway in 4th gear it should help regen it. Mine got to the point where it was blocking. He needs to be careful selling his car with this - dealers know all about DPF issues. It could also be a sensor fault. Having suffered this it's more than likely it's the crap DPF design of that vintage of engine. Mine was a nightmare
At a guess, it won't stop but it will go into limp mode and allow you to get back to somewhere very slowly.
My Puggy Partner has a 1.6 HDi and it needs a belt change every 10 years (or 120k miles or thereabouts)...which is nice as I keep thinking it will need it next service and I'm always pleased when it doesn't.
Another 2 years until it does need done and I'm expecting to still be driving it - saying that, the rear door sliders are showing signs of wear and the rubber seals on the doors are also showing age (and the alloys could do with a refurb), but otherwise, it is in great condition and drives well. It does get mainly short journeys but I do try and take it for a decent drive at least once a fortnight so the engine gets a decent run. Seems to be going well.
We had a 2008 1.6hdi, euro 4 and no dpf.
Have a 2010 ish euro 5 that does have a dpf plus eolys fluid.
Then a 2018 euro 6 that is dpf plus scr so also adblue.
I know this sounds simple, but whenever I've had a cambelt changed (or even oil) I always get a label or sticker put on the engine stating the date and mileage. Is there one?
OP, check you don’t have any engine error codes, some of them will stop the regen, my Ford had a faulty glow plug, wouldn’t regen until fixed and error cleared
We have a diesel Astra pool/site car at work that often has DPF 'drive constantly' warnings from never getting warm.
I'm known as the DPF regen master - the reality is I redline it in 3rd on the motorway till it clears.
a.k.a Italian tune-up
Secondly, it should have had a new Cambelt on/before 2018. It was on a Ford service plan with equal monthly payments (it isn’t now), and they are are saying they can’t see it on their records.
If it was paid for and not done, is it not their problem to sort?
He has tried the ‘drive it at high revs to clear it’
this is bullshit advice unfortunately.
If you would like a car that you can definitely tell is doing a DPF regen I can recommend my old Seat Leon FR. Something was definitely not right with it.
I had an 2009 Audi A4 with a DPF. I only had one noticeable regen- hot smell, slightly higher revs etc.-in the five years I had it. I guess it was doing it unbeknown to me reasonably often.
My 2013 Skoda Superb on the other hand did it quite regularly.
If it was paid for and not done, is it not their problem to sort?
Assuming it's covered in the service plan. Suspiciously it doubled in price in 2018 which is why I cancelled it and went indie. Now knowing of the anniversary perhaps that's why Ford wanted a change of plan. I'll have to look through the paperwork which Mrs was a bit haphazard in keeping.
A bit more googling today reveals its a PSA DW10 aka HDI /tdci engine known for carrying on for hundreds of thousands of miles, so no issue in the main. We do have a slightly leaky injector though (oil level is constant) which makes me nervous about redlining the thing.
This anxiety has come from a nervous 5up plus bike tow bar rack and three bikes plus food and clothes for a week drive, with a rear shock misting badly and the car leaning a bit. It's starting to feel as though there's a spendy moment and /or time on a hard shoulder in the near future - which in turn leads me to looking at a second hand replacement although of course that's even more money.
You don't have to drive at high revs to clear the DPF. The car has a regen cycle where it will inject extra fuel (in different ways depending on engine) to react with a catalyst in the DPF and burn off the soot. It'll manage this for you, you just have to be driving long enough at a reasonable speed (i.e. not idling in traffic) for it to work.
I hadn't had a DPF until last summer, and after the summer hols it hasn't done much besides a few school runs, and I have yet to see it regen. The school runs are probably 30 mins of driving but very gentle.
This anxiety has come from a nervous 5up plus bike tow bar rack and three bikes plus food and clothes for a week drive
That will have allowed it to sort itself out. Just to re-iterate, the problem situation is ONLY short trips and nothing else, AND ignoring the lights or messages that would appear.
with a rear shock misting badly and the car leaning a bit.
Shocks are completely unrelated to engines!
It’s starting to feel as though there’s a spendy moment and /or time on a hard shoulder in the near future – which in turn leads me to looking at a second hand replacement although of course that’s even more money.
Yes, spending £10k to gamble on not having to spend £1k doesn't seem to be good maths...
spendy moment and /or time on a hard shoulder
So get it proactively fixed and Change the timing belt. Don't let it grenade then fix it.
Still only be 2 or 3 months worth of payments or rental on a new equivalent car......
It's a fair point, I should shove it in the indie for a new cambelt and 2 new shocks.
BUT what I haven't revealed is that I should be due a company vehicle, I need to check that first/how long that takes to come before splashing out. Then my 320d becomes our 2nd & family car.
still worth spending the money to have a reliable car meantime and a car with a fresh cambelt to sell ..... anyone buyings going to knock that off straight away if its not done with proof.....
If you haven't even started talking company cars yet with your boss you'll be months away from getting one. Unless they just have a 'you get what you're given' policy.
To be honest though spending 1k on that car won't be money wasted, especially with the low miles it has and used car prices at record levels.
keppoch
Since this has popped up I can’t help but ask…
My Dad’s 2007 Mazda 6 has got a flashing DPF light on. He has tried the ‘drive it at high revs to clear it’ advice that has previously worked but not this time and the light continues to flash away. What are the chances of the engine stopping and leaving him stranded in the middle lane of the motorway (his natural car based habitat?)
He is going to buy a new car in the very near future but has become nervous about using this one (which he doesn’t use much to start with).
I think you will find the flashing DPF light on a Mazda 6 of that era is the service indicator, if the light is solid its the DPF but flashing is the service indicator that gets reset by some garages on service but if not it will flash when the service interval has supposedly been exceeded.
This was a quote from an independent garage "What Mazda don't tell you in their handbook is that their DPF warning light doubles up as a service reminder light - it's programmed to come on every 13,000 miles or so if you haven't visited a Mazda dealer."
There is a diy way if you don't have a OBDII reader unit.
spending £10k to gamble on not having to spend £1k doesn’t seem to be good maths…
10K is a lot of pairs of sunglasses.
This is a handy link for Ford owners - it lets you access you vehicle's manual
https://www.ford.co.uk/owner/my-vehicle/download-your-manual
@kryton57 I have two of those lumps, a 120hp BTED in my C8 and a 140HP UTED in my Mondeo. Both get used regularly and used well loaded on occasion. Neither one gives me cause for concern and the C8 has leaky injector(s), burns a bit of oil but well within tolerance.
Get the belt and pump done, rest easy and know you'll probably get it back if/when you come to sell.
Oh, the DPF will be a bulbous lump on the end of the flexi exhaust right after it comes down from the turbo. They do nothing, that is to say they just quietly get on with life and don't shout about it. Only issue I ever had was a burnt out pressure pipe which was a 5 min fix with appropriately sized silicone pipe.
Thanks squirrel king, that coincides with what I’m reading.
Bangernomics is a funny thing, I’d love my wife to be driving around in something nicer, but she constantly pushes the merit of something we don’t GAS about putting another scratch on whilst putting a bike in, or finding the remains of many of the kids biscuits from 2012 under the seat. I guess as long as it works it’s good.