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tpbiker
...what if the process is found to be perfectly fair?...
You've posted a few times on this, so presumably you have looked closely at the way this was handled.
Does that newly introduced process look fair to you? What if it was you being accused? Would you happily accept it when you were not allowed a fair hearing?
Not only has justice to be done, but it has to be seen to be done.
Lets be honest here, there are plenty of unfair policies and processes in the workplace, and I’m sure plenty of unfair dismissals.
That does not justify unfair processes, it just illustrates that more people need to stand up against them, which is what Salmond is doing.
£77,000 and still rising...
A good two pages in and no JHJ photo album pictures, speculative youtube and newspaper links... maybe he/she only does English high profile news consipiracies....
The whole thing must be MSM Fake News ...
Dealing with these complaints in confidence (aka secret) is the way it should be done. Basic due diligence to investigate whether there is a basis to the complaint doesn’t require the accused to have a chance to answer them. With that due diligence done, it appears the complaint has some merit and so now it moves to a phase where Salmond will get his say. That’s pretty much how these things are meant to work.
It would seem fair to offer the accused anonymity but the problem with claims of sexual misconduct is that there are rarely any witnesses. A lot of the time convictions are based on other victims coming forward and presenting similar cases (think Rolf Harris). Publicity may encourage other victims to come forward and therefore secure a conviction.
Grumpy sculler From the Records article it seemed to me that they had knowledge of the alleged incident from October last year, and that they had further information which they felt was reliable enough to go to print despite Mr Salmonds attempts to get an interdict which was going on at the time on Thursday night.
£80,000 and still rising...
The message being sent out is that what happens to women is always less important than the reputation of ‘great’ men
a female take - t guardian
teamhurtmore
The message being sent out is that what happens to women is always less important than the reputation of ‘great’ men
The message being sent out is that under the new rules the woman's version is paramount and the man is given no right of response during the investigation, and not until his reputation has been tarnished.
Salmond is the first to be hit with it.
[u]It's not just the independence supporters who think this is unfair[/u]
A fool and his/her money are....
£86,000 and still rising...
As much as I dislike him, I am prepared allow the process to run its course, and I understand Alex Salmonds right to challenge the process in court if he wishes and deems it unfair.
I am however appalled by the crowd funding element to this. If this was any other parties politician undergoing these allegations the likes of Right Wings Over Scotland would be all over them like a rash.
I can imagine epicyclo's robust defense of any Westminster politician crowd funding a similar cause, especially as Westminster is awash with predators and paedophiles.
I am sure I can be proud of those fellow Scots that won't dip into their pocket to pay for a box of cereal or a tin of tuna for someone in need of the use of a food bank, but they can tell me via facebook to fork out to help pay the legal bills of an independently wealthy former First Minister to fight a legal challenge against accusations of sexual misconduct.
You should all be proud. Probably £90,000 now. That's a fair few Christmas hampers for struggling families.
to help pay the legal bills of an independently wealthy former First Minister to fight a legal challenge against accusations of sexual misconduct.
You do know that's not the case?
#forFairness
Yes I do Scotroutes. I perhaps did not clearly intimate at the start, but I did mention his right to challenge the 'process' by which I meant challenging the handling and the complaints procedure. I do realise that this slipped at the end.
The point still stands, given his position and wealth, and sensitivity involved surrounding his case and allegations, he should have been able to fund it himself. I am sure most donators would never previously have crowd funded famous alpha males challenging complaints procedures in relation to sexual misconduct allegations. Would the Labour leader (the guy......Leonard? or something) have had the public jumping to his defence if it had happened to him? Would they ****!!.
It is a brass neck, but he is well known for having one. I've donated my fair share to the independence campaign over the years and previously donated to the SNP when they were going looking to mount a legal challenge over the leaders debates on tv as I thought it wasn't fair. I've no idea how much his case will cost and whether or not he is looking for the full amount via donations but it is a bit like that couple who were caught crowdfunding vet fees for their pet (dog or cat, can't remember) when they were worth a fortune. Doesn't sit right with me but each to their own, some people have trouble seperating the man from the overall movement I suppose.
I guess that, had he known this was coming, he could have held back sone of the over £400,000 he has raised/donated to various charities .
£90k and rising
#forFairness
Firstly I should say I have not funded, and have no intention of funding Mr Salmond‘s case BUT I would vigorously fight for his right to crowd fund his issue and hold the government to account.
given his position and wealth, and sensitivity involved surrounding his case and allegations, he should have been able to fund it himself.
Ive no idea how wealthy he actually is, but how much cash would you need in your pocket to consider blowing something like £100k to prove a point of principle? Is there some reason why his position (he’s not even an MSP now) makes bringing a judicial review easier than you or I? If there is, does a high profile person crowd funding it, make it easier for you or I to believe we could bring a matter we care about under review?
it is as much an enditement on how the legal system works that the ability to finance a case means typically only the wealthy and connected would consider standing up to government procedures.
Just to make it clear, this money is not for the defence of his case, but to challenge an unfair and unjust procedure.
Which purely by coincidence was just brought into being, and he was the first person star chambered by it. That it is such a remarkable co-incidence is why the funds are pouring in.
At the end of it, everyone who would have been subjected to this unjust procedure will benefit. And that is why some of his opponents have chimed in on his side.
Too bloody true the Scottish public wouldn't jump to the defence of Leonard, why would they? His job is to keep Scotland in thrall to Westminster, but I'm sure his pals down south would help out.
Now over £90,000...
Firstly I should say I have not funded, and have no intention of funding Mr Salmond‘s case BUT I would vigorously fight for his right to crowd fund his issue and hold the government to account.
What he said because of this
it is as much an enditement on how the legal system works that the ability to finance a case means typically only the wealthy and connected would consider standing up to government procedures.
Although I do worry that some of the support is based on whose side your on rather than any/the unjustness of the scenario.
Hopefully the truth will out on this one whatever it is. Although if the truth is to just throw shit at people then I suspect it’s already done it’s job.
Indeed pm. This was a bit of a huge away
Too bloody true the Scottish public wouldn’t jump to the defence of Leonard, why would they? His job is to keep Scotland in thrall to Westminster, but I’m sure his pals down south would help out.
piemonster
...Although I do worry that some of the support is based on whose side your on rather than any/the unjustness of the scenario....
Of course it is. You surely don't expect independence supporters to chip in for someone opposed to it.
Rightly or wrongly, this affair is regarded as a targeted attack on Salmond with a specially crafted new regulation as the weapon.
Some sort of attack on him has been expected since he went on RT, and lo and behold, here is an attack done in such a way as to do the maximum damage his reputation.
If there had been a fair process, I very much doubt he would be getting much in the way of crowdfunding. The level of funding demonstrates the level of trust the Scottish public have in him.
If it turns out he is actually guilty of misconduct he will have done himself some impressive self-harm, whereas a mea culpa would have been minimised the damage. I believe he is smart enough - or cunning (for thm) - to be well aware of that, and would have already held his hand up if that was the case.
Now I wonder if it will hit the £100,000 mark - today or tomorrow?
Well its working.
Everyones looking at "the process" and no-one looking at the accusations.
2 women, apparently SG employees, have come forward and accused the top politician in Scotland of some form of harassment while he was first minister.
If "the process" allows the basic facts to be established (were both the people actually there at the relevant time?) and then passes the information to the relevant authorities, I can't see what hes complaining about?
WRT Salmonds claims, Leslie Evans says that;
His statement contains significant inaccuracies which will be addressed in those court proceedings.
So, for now, lets remember that even if "the process" was imperfect, the accusations still exist.
They were made against someone who is no longer first minister, but whose party are still in power. Thats not an easy thing to do.
Honestly, if "the process" is one that doesn't allow complaints like this to be swept under the carpet for anyones political convenience, then at least some part of it is working right.
In my nightmares I can see "but the process" becoming the zoomer version of "but her emails". 🙂
The comments on the funding page are illuminating. Those on WoS far more so
Of course it is. You surely don’t expect independence supporters to chip in for someone opposed to it.
No I don’t expect that, but they should if it meant an innocent person gets their name cleared. At least in a world of crowd funded legal defence.
Politicial affiliations shouldn’t be a factor.
Double post
epicyclo,
Was it MI5, the deep state or aliens?
Maybe the whole Westminster harassment scandal was set up just so that the Scottish Government would improve the way in which they deal with claims of harassment, just to get at Salmond?
Wow, how deep does the rabbithole go!
<JHJ>
Salmond harassed staff (allegedly) 2013
Salmond got job on Putins propaganda channel Nov 2017
Westminster harassment scandal Jan 2018
SG updates harassment process to trap Salmond
MWA HA HA HA HA etc.
</JHJ>
To be fair to the deep state, they should have been be bright enough to notice the fact that Salmond taking a job at RT was the last straw for his integrity for anyone with sense (including many in the SNP).
Nothing else beyond what hes done to himself should be necessary.
Of course it is. You surely don’t expect independence supporters to chip in for someone opposed to it.
I thought it wasn't about the man or the allegations but about the procedure. Make your mind up.
One of the so called journalists in the media in Scotland called Wings a hate fest. Well I hate all your lies and propaganda so maybe this is the nearest to a true statement they have ever made in their whole careers. People with no professional or personal integrity. Why don’t you just pissof to London?
Page 1
at least we haven’t had the victim blaming like the other sex pests
Guardian take seems reasonable: link
Also, epicyclo, are you really saying that all of the people contributing to Salmond have looked at the process in detail and decided that its unfair?
I guess that, had he known this was coming, he could have held back sone of the over £400,000 he has raised/donated to various charities .
He's had since March to prepare.
Remind me how much Jimmy Savile donated to charity. Now, does that have any bearing as to what he got up to behind closed doors? That you keep bringing this up just shows how closed minded you are about this, you've already made your mind up that he's innocent, if you hadn't then you wouldn't be making such daft "damage limitation" statements.
That you keep bringing this up just shows how closed minded you are about this, you’ve already made your mind up
"Keep bringing this up"? Where? Seems to me like you're pure ragin' about this. You really need to take a chill pill.
£92k
#forFairness
“Real Scots are behind you Alex,”
Is great on so many levels
You've mentioned his charitable donations on more than one occasion already. I know it's STW where the majority seem incapable of reading but some of us do 😉
As for "pure ragin'", er aye, okay. Personally I couldn't care less what you think beyond what I wrote which is hardly the stuff of pure rage.
Aye, some people saying lets see the outcome of the court case (and any investigation).
Others saying its a conspiracy organised by MI5, the deep state and tunnocks eaters.
I wonder who's ragin' hardest :O)
Things that are unrelated to the truth of the allegations against Alex:
-The amount of money he can raise from crowdfunding
-The amount of money he has given to charity,
-His average turd length.
Maybe we should wait for a conviction before gathering information for a mitigation plea?
Maybe we should wait for a trial before talking about conviction. Otherwise you're as bad as those you slate.
Maybe we should wait for a verdict before speculating about someone who has not at this moment been charged with an offence.
Maybe we should stop conflating crowdfunding to pay for a judicial review of an internal civil service investigation with the legal costs incurred in defending a person should a case come to court
eat_the-pudding
epicyclo,
Was it MI5, the deep state or aliens?...
It is well documented that MI5 have interfered in the affairs of the SNP previously and have had agents planted within it.
Those of us who remember the 2014 independence referendum, also remember every dirty trick the British state pulled against us then.
It's fairly obvious that there is a lot of pressure on the SNP coming from the independence movement to dissolve the Union, so some sort of attack on influential people within the movement has been anticipated.
I have no idea if MI5 is involved, but if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, tastes like a ... (no, scrap that bit), and comes from an organ of the British state, then there's pretty good odds it is a turd.
And obviously much of Scotland is smelling a turd, hence the level of contributions.
£95,000 and rising...
I thought this was about fighting injustice?
epicyclo,
At the heart of this are at least 3 people (2 women, one man). Their interactions are now the subject of investigations by various people. We're waiting for the outcome and trying to ignore the fluff.
In your head, a relatively small group of people contributing money to a crowdfund is apparently a very significant part of this process.
Its not.
I'll repeat what I said earlier.
There's little (by MI5 or anyone) that could be done to Salmond to make him a bigger laughing stock than he has made himself already.
If it comes to that, Sturgeon has better reason to want him to shut up at the moment than just about anyone else. If he ever gets invited to Bute house again he should probably avoid standing near any candlesticks in the library.
It is well documented that MI5 have interfered in the affairs of the SNP previously and have had agents planted within it.
Is it? Where is that documentation then? YouTube and Facebook evidence does not count...
You’ve mentioned his charitable donations on more than one occasion already. I know it’s STW where the majority seem incapable of reading but some of us do
Sorry, I'm getting on a bit, my memory is failing and my wife does tell me I've a habit of repeating myself. Perhaps you could help by pointing out the previous occasions I've mentioned these charitable donations?
KTHXBYE
My mistake, it was epicyclo, to be fair it was all getting a bit samey.
KTHXGRWTH****UP
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">franksinatra</span>
Is it? Where is that documentation then?
We'll probably have to wait 25 years or so for any current activity to be released, so there's only older stuff available.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/files-prove-that-mi5-spied-on-snp-1-1423283
Oh, and now at £98,000...
Those of us who remember the 2014 independence referendum, also remember every dirty trick the British state pulled against us then.
I remember it well. I can't remember loads of dirty tricks, unless of course the dirty tricks were to highlight the lack of any credible economic plan for the country. Which is the primary reason they didn't get my vote.
I do remember however that this didn't seem to make a jolt of difference to those who voted for independence, so ingrained in them was their loathing of the union.
Some of the stuff I read from the pro independence campaign would have been funny, if it hadn't been borderline racist/hate speech
I remember watching the results coming in.. And the look on the faces of the hate filled mob when they realised they had lost. Salmond's misery was particularly satisfying.
The man is a vile loathsome individual, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's done what he has been accused of. Doubt it will even matter to his hoards of followers however.
BTW.. Why does epicycle keep updating us with the figure of how much he's crowd funded so far...? It's absolutely no surprise that he's managed to rake it in from his supporters.. Not sure what the point you are trying to make is? Do you not think we know he's popular?
hate speech
Oh the irony
Scotroutes...you couldn't make it up eh? Oh no wait; TPbiker did!
Oh the irony
To be fair you came pretty close to hate speech once you realised you’d been riding for an hour with a flat!
Oh and Upper Loch Rannoch fire roads?
Why does epicycle keep updating us with the figure of how much he’s crowd funded so far…?
It gives the Dependentistas something to froth about. 🙂
If you think personal politics has a place in this case then that says a lot more about you than us.
This whole thread is about personal politics dude.
The thread may be about personal politics but the case is about two potential victims claiming that they were sexually abused and one man's attempt to make himself the victim.
Thanks for that.
This whole thread is about personal politics dude
Well it should be about how a public figure has been accused of sexual misconduct and attacks the confidential process that is meant to allow these complaints to be brought in private. Sir John Elvidge's comments highlight some of the problems that existed and don't exactly help Salmond.
Unlike other #metoo complaints, these haven't been put on instagram, they haven't made some big speech and they aren't seeking damages. They appear to have waited until a new process was in place to deal with the many shortcomings of how they were dealt with in the past.
Salmond has tried to circumvent and shortcut that process, he has tried to gain direct access to the complainants and he has failed. He has tried to do thing the old boys way, which has rightly come in for criticism. Perhaps with a female Permanent Secretary and a female FM, the process is getting robust enough to do what it always should have done in both Holyrood and Westminster - protect the (alleged) victims and not the politicians.
£100k
#forFairness
And we've not even started on #SNPcivilwar yet. That's giving me lots of LOLs on Twitter.
I remember it well. I can’t remember loads of dirty tricks, unless of course the dirty tricks were to highlight the lack of any credible economic plan for the country.
Then your memory is clearly corrupted.
A special thank you to everyone who contributed and left such kind messages. The petition for Judicial Review has now been served and all of you helped make that possible. We have now closed the fund with double the amount aimed for raised in double quick time. Every penny of surplus funds, which will be substantial in the event of a successful Judicial Review, will be distributed to good causes in Scotland and beyond. Thank you all again.
Alex
#SNPcivilwar
Hadn't seen that one. Pretty good stuff 🙂
Well it should be about how a public figure has been accused of sexual misconduct and attacks the confidential process that is meant to allow these complaints to be brought in private.
Actually thats not what has happened. What Salmond has done is attacked the making of the complaints public without him even being able to say a word in his defence
I still think Salmond is very wrong tho to be making legal threats.
I reiterate that I think all the money raised should be going to good causes. People need to be honest with themselves. They are not true believers in fairness. Until a little over a week ago the cause of challenging the complaints procedure in relation to sexual misconduct allegations in Holyrood could not be further from people's minds. People now crowd fund it because Salmond is a good patriot and the right sort of person. It no real roots in justice.
I have no issue one way or the other with how this case goes or any subsequent investigation into the allegations. The crowd funding is typical of the man and it's success, outlines the sycophantic fawning over him.
I think that the independence debate and considerations are in a better place without him to be honest, and I don't feel that Nicola Sturgeon has put a foot wrong since this broke. I just hope there are not a majority of fools about prepared to have shitty breath and brown tongues just to keep his arse clean!
What Salmond has done is attacked the making of the complaints public without him even being able to say a word in his defence
No, he is attacking the confidential investigation that had reached the point of deciding whether there was a public interest in making the complaints public as they were passed to police. As we've heard numerous times, there is often a public interest to encourage others to come forward. Alex feels that he should have been able to get the complainants in a room and "sort things out". What he wants is exactly the sort of process that Westminster has rightly been pilloried for. Scotland could have led the way in showing how these matters should be handled and set an example for our other institutions to follow, but because it is King Alex then that's all wrong.
If it is true that a paper was about to go public with a leaked copy of one complaint then that's pretty pish and the civil service plus their responsible ministers should be brought to account. But that absolutely isn't what he is attacking.
I don’t feel that Nicola Sturgeon has put a foot wrong since this broke
Agreed. I won't often praise her, but she has handled herself impeccably in this matter. She is in a difficult position, and is managing it well.
Interesting seeing the financial support for the narrcissist alpha male fighting accusations of sexual miconduct and legally challenging complaints procedures.
Look out for the faction on Indy rallies who have lapels decked out in 'Still Yes', CND and 'Justice for Harvey' pin badges.
Epicyclo will be as angered by the sight of a 'Me Too placard as a Union Jack.
On the flipside, if your former employers investigated complaints made against you on the same basis would you just sit back and roll with it?
Knowing that you don't have a chance to see any evidence against you, are positive you have never done anything that could be taken as sexual misconduct, and that your former employers were going to release the result of their investigation to the media, destroying you new career in the process. What would you do?
rene59
On the flipside, if your former employers investigated complaints made against you on the same basis would you just sit back and roll with it?...
You're wasting your time, they're blinded by the mote in their eyes. Perhaps a bit of that sort of justice visited upon themselves is needed for them to get clarity on the problem here. They are just one incautious remark away from it...
Meanwhile where is the public outrage at the recent list of sexual assaults in Westminster, or the paedophile election agent of the Scottish Labour leader? In comparison to Salmond very few column inches for far more serious allegation or proven crimes.
athgray
I don’t feel that Nicola Sturgeon has put a foot wrong since this broke.
I think we can all agree on this.
Epicyclo will be as angered by the sight of a ‘Me Too placard as a Union Jack.
Actually I have no problem with the Union flag when used appropriately. The trouble is in Scotland it is the flag of choice of some rather unpleasant sectarian hate groups.
I have no problem with the England flag either, for that matter, and it puzzles me why so few English people seem to take pride in it.
Here's a wee article for the Salmond haters.
‘Still Yes’,
Well clearly no doesn't actually mean no.
I’m not clued up on how the process works and whether he is guilty or not. The process may well need to change.
Putting that to one side, I am totally amazed at the crowdfunding thing. From a quick online search he seems a very wealthy person. And if he wins I would assume he would get his costs and compensation back.
There are much better use of funding/donations than to fund Alex Salmond whether he is innocent or guilty. Unbelievable.
destroying you new career in the process.
I don't think there was much further he could sink than an RT stooge TBH.
You’re wasting your time, they’re blinded by the mote in their eyes. Perhaps a bit of that sort of justice visited upon themselves is needed for them to get clarity on the problem here. They are just one incautious remark away from it…
Yes, we're the ones blinded by it. Of course.
So it's "not as bad" as the other stuff you mention. So what? Does that mean he should get away Scot free? Have you noticed that YOU are the one making political capital of this here? Nobody else here could give a toss WHO it was, I thought that was the whole point? But no, it's about MI5 and Indy and MSM and Deep State and Lizards and probably the ****ing freemasons if we're going all west coast where one lodge is as good as the other.
Lest we forget
”real Scots are behind you Alex”
The thread may be about personal politics but the case is about two potential victims claiming that they were sexually abused and one man’s attempt to make himself the victim.
I am absolutely not a Salmond fan, however from what I’ve read, and if I’m wrong please correct me, the issue Salmond has is he’s been accused of these things, and he feels the process has not allowed him the correct opportunity to address those accusations as key pieces of information are not being shared with him. I believe, and again if I’m wrong point me in the right direction, that the identities of the accusers have not been revealed to him. That seems like a big point. If someone was to accuse me of a crime, I’d want to know who. I think that’s fair. I get protecting their identity from the wider public but not the person they’re accusing. I also believe that as part of the process so far, Salmond has not been allowed to argue his case or put his side forward fully? Again, if that’s wrong let me know.
in the current #metoo climate, there have been several accusations against celebrities that turned out to be false, so it’s not always a one way street.
there absolutely should be a robust process in place to allow victims to speak out, but we also need to afford the accused proper due process, and Salmond’s concern, apart from his position of no guilt, is that he’s not been allowed to participate in the process appropriately. I don’t think that’s an unfair viewpoint from his perspective
If someone was to accuse me of a crime
"The process" isn't to deal with crimes. It is more like a workplace complaints/whistleblower procedure. The two cases are quite different.
Salmond has not been found guilty of anything, nor has any sanction been applied to him. All that has happened is that a confidential investigation concluded that the complaints had merit and should be taken further. His opportunity to challenge them comes in the next phase.
What he wanted (and was rightly denied) was to get in a room with the complainants and face them down. Does anyone really think that is an appropriate way to manage complaints from the rank and file against our most senior elected officials?
What he wanted (and was rightly denied) was to get in a room with the complainants and face them down.
I don't think that's accurate. What he wanted was to see the case against him. He offered to resolve the complaints in a manner of different ways.
Again I'd ask, what would you do if you were in a similar position and a former employer was about to go public with a complaint you had offered to try and resolve but were denied?
grumpsculler
“The process” isn’t to deal with crimes. It is more like a workplace complaints/whistleblower procedure. The two cases are quite different...
That's the point, they should not be - at least in so far as you should know what you're accused off, and by whom, and have the opportunity to address it. If it cannot be resolved satisfactorily at that stage, that's when it should go further.
And certainly before it gets leaked to the press.
And that's why Salmond has attracted the support he has got - because this looks like it has been carefully choreographed to do the maximum damage to his reputation and take him out of circulation before a forthcoming election or referendum.
The allegations do not have to be true to succeed in doing this.
ok, fair point but it’s really semantics. To be fair, sexual assault/abuse is a crime, so while the police aren’t involved it’s still fair to say it’s. crime, however that’s not main issue. The issue is the lack of opportunity for the accused to participate in the internal investigation. A not unreasonable concern
the complaints had merit
Based almost exclusively on the details presented by the accusers?
because this looks like it has been carefully choreographed to do the maximum damage to his reputation and take him out of circulation
Id agree with that. I’ve often gone to the news sites to read up on their reporting to the latest Brexit developments and found them buried away from the main headlines, whereas salmonds case has had prominent and consistent front page exposure over several days. It does feel disproportionate and I’m not a tin foil hat conspiracy theory fiend
TBH I'm not convinced by any of the conspiracy theory stuff. Scottish politics has been in a state of turmoil for many years, with various elections, referendums and Brexit. Any time during that period could have been viewed as "suspicious". However, let's not pretend that the unionist press/broadcasters haven't kept on this due to its political ramifications. Allegations of various sorts against other politicians are consistently played down or ignored whilst those involving members of the SNP become headlines.
In addition, we seem to have created another category of crime whereby all standard processes of determining guilt are bypassed. Defenders of Alex Salmonds right to question this have come from across the political spectrum so tbis isn't just a Nationalist popularity contest.
In the meantime the press and broadcasters are trying to stir up the prospect of an internal fraud within the SNP based on nothing more than the ravings of some Tories. In a change of mood, reflecting the maturity of the Nationalist movement in Scotland this is being rather amusingly mocked whereas it would once have been taken a lot more seriously.
As a matter of principle, is it not normally the job of the Police to release details of such cases in order to help persuade other victims to come forward? Thinking of Hall, Saville etc. - how were these cases publicised during investigations and/or other potential victims persuaded to come forward?
Could the problem be that, as we saw four years ago, Salmond and his ilk just won’t accept that no really does mean no.
Apologies if someone’s already got in with that cheap joke.
kennyp
...Apologies if someone’s already got in with that cheap joke.
It's cheap alright, but it's funny. 🙂
TBH I’m not convinced by any of the conspiracy theory stuff
Sorry, I should clarify. I don’t thInk it’s been intentionally choreographed but I do think the media have maximised the opportunity to shit on him and his cause
I agree with you BoardinBob. I have had no complaints with regards to Salmond challenging the complaints procedure, however I do think crowd funding it is arrogant beyond belief. As Scots we are apparently under the cosh enough as it is. Spare pennnies should not be put aside to fund a legal challenge that if it was anyone else would not have achieved anything like this profile. The whole thing is two faced. People are not funding the principle, but rather the personality. At least don't pretend that it is anything but this.
I do think crowd funding it is arrogant
Agreed. Basically he’s playing the people’s champion card and he knows it. But the principle remains the same but how he’s fighting it is questionable
for example, if the same had happened to tommy Sheridan, would there be the same public outpouring of support and funding? Absolutely not.
I bet that many of the posters here, would have claimed to have stood shoulder to shoulder with Meryl Streep and the sisters of tinsel town. # Scotland for the Bonnie Lasses of Hollywood. Yes, we need to all we can to encourage potential victims to come forward!! Where did the concern for the men accused of sexual misconduct come from??
As an aside, what could all of Salmond's £100k fundraising have bought for struggling families.
Perhaps a campaign for an independent Scotland needs a new hash tag. #IndyScotAgainstHypocyticalWan***s
for example, if the same had happened to tommy Sheridan, would there be the same public outpouring of support and funding? Absolutely not.
You are right boardinbob. This however just proves that crowdfunders could not give a flying **** about the principle of fairness relating to sexual misconduct allegation investigations, and more about the era of personality.