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After a fairly heated discussion in the pub on Friday night I was left feeling a bit geographically challenged.
I was born and bred in Cheshire, in what I call the North West, just to the north and east of Chester. It was a small rural village (now a bigger commuter hub for Manchester, Liverpool and the A55 corridor) with a fair share of the deprivation that came with farming/forestry communities, not footballer belt. They wouldn't be able to stand the muck spreading!
A pal of mine is from Stoke and insisted that Cheshire is not in the north and it is on a par with Stoke, therefore the Midlands. Even I know it is further north than Stoke but I am now concerned that I am not a Northerner!
I realise that as I do not come from Lancs or Yorks I am obviously a fake wannabe but please...a midlander?
barnsley.......... 😀
Watford...
Bottom of my street is where the South starts
Highland boundary Fault 🙂
It all depends where you come from. I had a party in Edinburgh where I had friends from Manchester who were very annoyed to be introduced as "my friends from down south"
not sure where it starts but you live in the north ...tell him you live to the North of North Wales.
south of the Tyne = the south*
north of the Tyne = the North
*south of the Thames = (to all intents and purposes) France 😉
the best answer I heard was "about 10 miles south of where you were born, wherever that may be!"
I now live in Exeter so anywhere else is up country and when I lived in Scotland all England was down south.
There was a map produced a while back which took in the opinions of where people thought they were (south/north) and put it onto a map based of the majority of opinion in each specific town. It was purely north/south though took in all parts of the country, including Wales (majority identified closer with the north) and the Midlands (Nottingham, Birmingham and Derby identified more with north, Leicester with south). I'll have a dig around to see if I can find it.
The North starts where ever folk lose the ability to pronounce Bath and grass properly
Sheffield/ Manchester. All the way up to Carlisle. Except for Newcastle there just geordies and Liverpool who are paddies that could swim. 😉
Kip, I live in Kelsall and so am probably south of you... Bottom line is you are a northener, simple way to know is you don't watch or have any interest is midlands tonight news do you?! NO its NORTH WEST TONIGHT! Hurrah case solved!
The South starts where ever folk lose the ability to pronounce Bath and grass properly.
I agree. If it was meant to sound like 'barth' it would have the r in the middle.
North of London innit.
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No way Lincoln and Choke on Stench are in the north!
Go through this arch and you're in the North
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although I wouldn't recommend it.
marcus7 - bless your little heart, that'll be the village I'm talking about then! I think you'll find that it is just about north and east of Chester but only just :D. As for the farming/forestry deprivation - did you ever go into the farmer's arms pre T'House at Top on a friday night (so glad it's the Farmer's again makes asking for a bus ticket sooo much easier)?!
You'll ride Delamere then? I got hassled by some scouse lad with a DH rig a while back when visiting folks. Should've seen his face when I asked him if he was local enough to have ridden there!
I grew up in London but my Mum is from "oop North" and a lot of our holidays were spent around the Lake District or Scotland. To me, "North" began where my Grandparents lived which was near Liverpool.
Midlands was sort of Oxford - Birmingham - Stoke corridor as we drove up there.
Midlands - Middlesbro to peterborough ish
North - borders to boro and across to Lancaster area. Manchester isnt north!
South below peterborough to sth coast.
Watford gap services, end of 😉
Cheshire is in the North. If not, I'll have to change my passport.
Kip, anyone who needs a DH rig in delamere needs help! nice one liner though :wink:, delamere is a regular ride and if you about the area on a monday night your welcome to join us!
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Well they didnt put this in Sheffield so Gateshead must be the gateway!
Hang on, when you cross the Thames and end up on the South Bank they ask you for your passport. They don't in Islington. Nor in Birmingham (I don't go any further for the fear of getting arrested for good looks).
as Lister says. Go over the Tyne bridge and you are very much in the south
carbon337 If that was in sheffield it would've been stainless!
NORTH yorkshire (clue in the name) rest is south, just draw line across the country! 😉
Dalwhinnie.
when your auntie is your sister
your uncle is your brother.............. 😯
North starts before you get to the basque country just so you know 😉
When you don't get a full pint in the pub, because it's all froth...That's the North
Oban...beyond that you get the real north, not the Londoners north.
skipton never ventured more south that sheffield boy it was scary 😐
Draw a line from Hull to Liverpool, above is North England, below is the Midlands. Scotland is superfluous to this conversation 🙄
Scotland shouldn't be included as it's a whole different country and for all I care, they probably have their own definition of north and south.
The north is north of Birmingham, the south is south of Birmingham. Birmingham itself is in the midlands.
If Birminham has to be one or the other, it is definately north as the people are warm, friendly and say bath not barth.
If you say 't' instead of 'the' then you're from t'north.
If you say 'ap' instead of 'up' then you're from the 'saaaaaaf aint ya'.
If you just talk normal then you're from the midlands....done! (apart from brummies..!)
north of taunton is north. i had to revise this from further south a few years ago.
If Birminham has to be one or the other, it is definitely north as the people are warm, friendly
oh yeah. shake you warmly by the throat, then friendly by the ankles, it's in the north alright.
Answer is clear - North starts at the most southerly point of the Pennines in dark peak, where the millstone grit appears!
nd for all I care, they probably have their own definition of north and south.
im sure they love you too trouser monkey
The savvern accint was invintid a capple of handred years ago when a fashionable affectation of the royal house preferring extended vowels spread through its geographical field of influence. FACT.
Where it stopped may be a function of geography, or it may be a function of where real people live. All you savverners, it's not your fault really, you were just taught the wrong pronunciation by previous generations.
All you savverners, it's not your fault really, you were just taught the wrong pronunciation by previous generations.
where does this leave the great Bth/Barf debate then?
If you have lunch and dinner, south, if you have dinner and tea, north(ish)
What about supper?
When I lived in the UK, I preferred to think of the M4 as being the Great Dividing Line, with Cambridge being a Small Outpost of Southern Civilisation in the Vast Northern Wilderness. Then I escaped...
What about supper?
Supper is toast and Jam in pyjamas whlie watching Doctor Who.
The North begins @ Chatsworth
Ah but supper can also mean dinner/tea - hence "Fish Supper", "Burns Supper" etc
now you're just over complicating things.
Ah but supper can also mean dinner/tea - hence "Fish Supper", "Burns Supper" etc
As mentioned earlier, Scotland has no right to be in this discussion 😉
i like saddles definition!
i bewilder spanish mates when i ask them round for tea (meaning evening meal) though, they know i like a cuppa but thats taking it too far
I'm sure we all live in the UK... no? Scotland is as much part of this conversation as England. Maybe the title should be "Where does the north of England start"...
where a Mille-Feuille becomes a Custard Slice
Where guacamole becomes mushy peas.
Forget the Barth/Bath dichotomy; the real locals pronounce it Baath.
I had friends from Manchester who were very annoyed to be introduced as "my friends from down south"
But people from Manchester get very annoyed at most things to do with their city's place in the world.
'Appen most northern Englanders would have seen the funny side.
Dan, let it go mate-they can't decide where the north* is never mind superfluous count(r)ies whose royalty united the whole lot
*probably the best bit
50km north of Aix en Provence. If someone from Lyon tells you is from the south of France he's a liar, or a dumb-ass
Zone 5
Do you like gravy?
If so, you're a northerner.
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pies-Prejudice-Search-Stuart-Maconie/dp/0091910226 ]this[/url] book discusses and never really discovers the answer.
highly reccomended
Where you can put gravy on your chips and not be laughed at. !
Gravy? On chips? Yuk.
I can't see that mixing well with the curry sauce and cheese.
that map of Northern Ireland has lumped Donegal in......oh dear
I was born in Surrey, spent my teens in N.London, Chester and Kelsall, studied in Sheffield, Hull and Warwick, now live back in Surrey.
Chester doesn't really feel like the North and Kelsall certainly didn't; Sheffield and Hull aren't much further North but felt like the real north t me....
anything north of the M4.
and to be honest I get irritated if I have to go anywhere north of exeter unless i'm flying from there.
I always draw the line somewhere around Chester>Grimsby. Anyone who thinks it's like uplinks "real north" signed image is in a world of denial and forgets the midlanders exist.
Still get confused now I live up here in Scotland, everywhere is south, other than the interesting stuff!
I think you need 3 categories, north, south and midlands
South – Up to about Oxford, but also including Milton Keynes, Bristol and Cambridge
Midlands – From there up to Stoke and Chesterfield
North – From there upwards
Simple!
It's to do with attitude as much as geography. By this measure, Cheshire is in the south (as it's a displaced home county) whereas Stoke is in the north. And when people say "south" I think they mean "south east". I live in Bristol - the accent, attitudes and culture don't have much to do with arguments advanced in north vs south debates.
North/South, its all a state of mind really.
A little test on where you are from though, what do you call this?
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Its a cob to me.
We use plates the other way round in the south.
when the road signs stop saying 'The North'.
so somewhere around Inverness?
😉
What, upside down?
They never taught me that at the public school I went to in Surrey.
Its a cob to me.
It's an ingredient to me 🙂
when the road signs stop saying 'The North'.so somewhere around Inverness?
Actually I think there is one heading north out of Inverness.
It's a barm cake.
south of the Tyne = the south
north of the Tyne = the North
Spot on.
that map of Northern Ireland has lumped Donegal in......oh dear
And it has most of southern Scotland as part of the north of England.
It's the Pie line innit... Up in the REAL North, the pies are... well... PIES. The further South you go the pies start getting smaller and taste more of fatty pork and you need a saw to get into them. Up in the REAL North you get Bridies, big as elephants lugs. Down South you get Pasties.8Op
That said, I had always thought that the English reckoned that anything north of Kings Cross was North, and south of Victoria was the South, or France... 😯 For us the north South divide is Stonehaven to Oban. Highlanders were up to the back of us and the Sassanachs were were out down the front.
The North is that part of England that would be better off by being part of South Scotland.
Basically anywhere with proper hills for mountain bike riding.
Down South you get Pasties
theres a sh"tload of people around this way that would argue with that!