[Closed] When racing/rally cars were racing/rally cars

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Yeah shame group B died but I guess they were losing too many spectators.

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The S4 is gopping. The other Deltas were lovely though.

205 T16 is a little beast, and the Quattros were ace.

As for track stuff, CSLs are where it's at:

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Beaten to it

There's only one...

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cynic-al - Member
Yeah shame group B died but I guess they were losing too many spectators.

And crews too. Wasn't it one of the Lancias going off with the death of at least one crew that really shut the book on Group B?

Isn't that the Celica with the trick valves to bypass the restrictor?

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RS200

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Metro 6R4

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Isn't that the Celica with the trick valves to bypass the restrictor?

No, that was the model-year after, the ST205. The ST185 (above) won plenty without cheating 🙂 The trick was pretty cool though, ti was actually a restrictor mover which pushed the restrictor out of the way allowing more air to bypass it but only when the engine was bolted up together, so it was very hard to spot normally.

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Dad had three uR Quattros, the last one a full Treser conversion (very 80s but very good). He nearky got a Quattro Sport (the short one for rallying) but mum put her foot down - dammit! Great cars!

RS200 & 6R4! 😀 My 80's childhood dream cars....saw em both at Cirencester RAC rally though -result - unlike this one
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mmmmmmmm group b .. . . .got to love the 6r4 - vicars car turned into a fire breathing hell hound . .. . my mates dad had one when i was a kid and used to rag it around resolven mt - you could hear it in the next valley !

I present:

The Williams Renault FW14 (most advanced F1 car ever?) from 1991 ish

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The Lotus 25 (first to use a monocoque I think)

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McLaren Can Am

Lancia Stratos. Sideways. I win. 😉

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I got to see Group C sports cars at Silverstone last year. Amazing sound and only approx 2s a lap slower than that years F1 race.

renault alpine. all other cars are gay.

They took the Lancia S4 to Estoril back in the day. It would have placed 6th on the F1 grid if it were eligible...

And of course the best looking F1 cars ever both happen to be Lotuses! 🙂

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If you're going to do the Group Bs justice, then you can't forget this!

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Juha Kankkunen - cool name, cool car 🙂

Sorry.. craziest racing car ever..

Porsche 917.

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Still holds records today. It was so powerful it scared the sh*t out of most of the top drivers of the day. Many refused to drive it.

EDIT: I think it still holds the record for being the fastest and most powerful series racing car built.

Sorry, but WTF is a Toyota doing on this thread?

I'd love one of those Deltas, but have you seen the new ones? Now that's really "gopping"!

There's one here, but I'm not spoiling the thread with it:

Well I like this 😉

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Oh! Oh!

I think I'm on a roll here! -->

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Sorry, but WTF is a Toyota doing on this thread?

GTFOOH! A very successful rally car, driven by many of the top drivers of the time. After initial problems in 92 it wiped the floor with the competition.

can't believe no-ones posted the impreza from the days of colin mcrae!

'd love one of those Deltas, but have you seen the new ones? Now that's really "gopping"!

There's one here, but I'm not spoiling the thread with it:

Holy Crap!! What a total disappointment!! Gopping is an understatement!

And here is one of the prettiest race cars ever:

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Celicas are now chaviots of the lowest order. No matter what the won, I hate them.

Like a 6R4 on crystal meth 🙂
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Like a 6R4 on crystal meth

Is that Pikes Peak?

Sorry, but WTF is a Toyota doing on this thread?

i was thinking the same.
it's hardly a head turner is it.
anything after the group b cars is just a showroom car with a fat exhaust.

Celicas are now chaviots of the lowest order. No matter what the won, I hate them

Disgraceful Surf-Mat, absolutely disgraceful. As the owner of one and staff at an owners club I'd have to disagree with that entirely, though there are some amongst us that don't help matters! Not too keen on your jelly-mould one if I'm honest!

As for showroom car - of course its a homologation model, doesn't make it less of a rally car, just one of its time and with some restrictions!

it's hardly a head turner is it.

Actually yes, it usually is, and in a pleasant way too. I've lost count of the number of people who've approached me to talk about it when I've gone shopping in it etc, across the age ranges from kids to retired folk. It obviously appeals more to some of the less chronologically experienced but the majority of the owners I know are mid 30s and perfectly normal people! Still, it makes me happy to own, I don't own it for other people to like!

there is always somebody posting an inbred in a "show me your bling thread"

Arsene Wenger: "Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home."

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Love the old stuff, my favourite modern (well less than a century old) is the 250GTO SWB.

Silver Arrow
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That GT40 was lovely. Taken at Leguna Seca on the corkscrew I believe. 😉

there is always somebody posting an inbred in a "show me your bling thread"

Aye, and there's always people who assume anchient history is the best thing since sliced bread. Good job tastes differ!

I think my favourite on this thread actually is PPs ford. Likewise I just dont "get" the wire and chrome, poor performance, basic design logs on wheels. No appeal at all. I suspect it's almost entirely down to what era you're from, my other fave is the T16, of similar era to the celica 🙂

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Disgraceful Surf-Mat, absolutely disgraceful. As the owner of one and staff at an owners club I'd have to disagree with that entirely, though there are some amongst us that don't help matters! Not too keen on your jelly-mould one if I'm honest!

What's wrong with not liking a car?

TBH I did used to like them just liked many other cars but they seem to have gone the way of the chav now - they always try and race everyone with their gutless engines - even the 190 isn't quick. I have more time for the older shapes like the GT4 but don't see many around.

Toyota NEEDS to make a decent performance car again - I know one is on it's way (FT86) but it's hardly pant searingly quick. They last MR2 was great but underpowered, the Celica was just average and the Supra is now just too old hat.

Yes Lexus make some quick cars but they don't count.

Surf-Mat - Member

And here is one of the prettiest race cars ever:
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Celicas are now chaviots of the lowest order. No matter what the won, I hate them.

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I used to live over the road from a bloke that had a replica Gulf GT40. He used to race it too. On a sunny weekend you'd hear him crank it over and roll it out of the garage to warm up (It was as rough as a badger's arse until it warmed up) before going off for a drive. I luuuuurved that car. Everyone else hated it. I used to go out and chat to him as he sat there gently revving it up to temperature.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........

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Re: Toyota (And Ford Puma too)
It's not about how much the cars won or how good they look, not at all. It's about what they are, what they stand for too, and a hundred other things that can't be quantified. You've both just totally missed the point of the thread. That's all.

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Kato, ones still got the cover on.

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Ok, its not a car but it is in the spirit of the post:

http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2007/09/fearsome-1975-yamaha-tz750-dirt-tracker.html

To quote King Kenny:

[i]‘They don’t pay me enough to ride that thing'[/i]

I was just mucking about Mat, I don't get THAT worked up over cars!

The celicas you're looking at are utterly gutless (the newer models, which are indeed chav mobiles). In fact I'd venture to say anything after the GT4 isn't a real celica (and certainly has no racing history to speak of). Certainly the MR2 and Celicas of 96+ are nothing short of eco-boxes.

BMW M1

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I see your various race cars and raise you......
Mercedes Benz 300 SLR - not the new one, the only one, complete with his start time stuck on the side of it!

Racing 2CVs
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1929 Bentley chassis fitted with a 24litre W12 Naiper Sealion engine.
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2 Lotus
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John Surtees in his Lotus 18
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Schumacher's Benetton, with the Bentley Speed 8 behind
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ex jackie Stewart's BRM P83 H16 engine
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ERA 14b
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Bit of 2 wheeled funnery
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Chevron F5000
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Gerry Marshal's DTV Baby Bertha
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for the Rally fans
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Maserati Tipo61 Birdcage
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cynic-al - Member
Yeah shame group B died but I guess they were losing too many spectators.

And crews too. Wasn't it one of the Lancias going off with the death of at least one crew that really shut the book on Group B?

Group Bs were banned just a few hours after the death of Henri Toivonen and his co driver on the corsican rally in an S4. The trophy at the race of champions is named in his honour.

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Lord Summerisle - That first pic (2CV's) at Snetterton ya?

I thoroughly recommend people go watch the classic touring car series.

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I just liked the Gallant. I know it's not awesome - just pretty damn cool.

For PeterPoddy:
Fiat 131 Abarth

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Even if you wanted one and had lots of money you couldn't have one...

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These little Saab 90s did okay for a 3 cylinder POS!

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I think this is one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen.

Ferrari 212 Export - Raced in the 1951 Mille Miglia

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Lotus Sunbeam ti. Fast as foook.

PJ266: yeah, about 9 hours into the 24hr race in 2006 at Snetterton.

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I used to love the Sunbeam Lotus and the Opel Ascona 400...

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Chevette HSR ..... I used to do club rallies in the HS version !

Coffeeking

I just dont "get" the wire and chrome, poor performance, basic design logs on wheels

Thats because you're forgetting to factor in the lion, 'a basic design log on wheels [b]with a lion[/b]', now we're talking.

RAWR!

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Most successful F1 car of all time... The McLaren MP4/4 of Ayrton Senna...

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One of, IMO, the best looking rally cars of all time... The Lancia 037...

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Arguably the most successful Group C sportscar of it's time (like the McLaren MP4/4 in 1988, it won all but one race in 1989 in Group C), the Sauber Mercedes C9...

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The totally awesome, yet totally bonkers, Mazda 787B with a 4 rotor ****el Rotary engine, that won Le Mans in 1991...

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Can't believe nobody has put one of these up yet... An original 427 Shelby Cobra...

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A lightweight racing E Type...

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And definitely the most beautiful creation ever, as recognised by at least one other person already, the Jaguar XJR13...

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That'll do for now whilst I have a think about a few others! 😉

66 Ford Shelby GT
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Sorry I dont know how to link pics....

this was a pretty impressive car !

google 'Climb Dance' and download the full movie, still watch it every so oftern, great film.

Porsche 956. Still the fastest thing on 4 wheels round the Nürburgring.

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this one because i built most of it (I acknowledge its pretty ugly and almost looks like a killer whale)
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and this one because I spent a summer vacation from uni photographing and measuring the position of all the cable ties etc. and was given a ride on the shakedown run, amazingly fast.
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Lotus Sunbeam ti. Fast as foook.

I used to share a hose with a bloke that rallied one of those. Nice car. 🙂

For PeterPoddy:
Fiat 131 Abarth

Even if you wanted one and had lots of money you couldn't have one...

I actually went to look at a 131 Supermirafiori Sport once. It had just been sold.... 🙁

There can't be many of those left now.....

^^^
Cool!

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I've seen R4D a few times, last time was at Brighton speed trials, it embarrassed a few owners of modern sports road cars.