[Closed] When consensus becomes impossible to ignore?

hammyuk: And this happens when you have kept your browser open?

[i]*lightbulb*[/i]

Are you using Private Browsing? That will delete cookies when you close the browser.

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203036

Never close them on any device Patrick.
If it was on a certain timescale it'd be a simple "okey dokey" but its totally random when it happens.

Just for info.

Crome on tablet.
Crome on phone.
Get logged out by one or the other about once every 24/48 hours.

Incognito browsing enabled?

Cougar - Moderator
Incognito browsing enabled?

Nope - use a different browser completely for anything that "requires" that 😈

Is this you?
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I still say you need to look in your phone settings AND on the advance section of your browser.

Trying a different browser would tell you whether it's a browser issue or something further up the food chain.

why is the entire Singletrack staff being called in to sort out the technical ineptitudes of a handful of users that dunno how to use their own computers properly...?

and still getting called names about it

scratches head and walks away in bemusement

why [s]is[/s] aren't the entire Singletrack staff [s]being called in to sort out[/s] more concernted that, despite the technical [s]ineptitudes of a handful[/s] expertise of most users [s]that dunno how to use their own computers properly...?[/s] the site still renders it's self unusable at times.

[s]and still getting[/s] no wonder they get called names about it

scratches head and walks away in bemusement

The issue for me is, you open up the main forum page, and easily less than 50% is actual content. The rest being flashy shouty crap.

Not sure if this is due to crappy work PC but funnily enough I dont notice it on my main pc running lots of browser extensions.

woah... jfletch - that's some clever stuff you did there..

I'm humbled by your artistry

yunki - Member
why is the entire Singletrack staff being called in to sort out the technical ineptitudes of a handful of users that dunno how to use their own computers properly...?

and still getting called names about it

scratches head and walks away in bemusement

Yunki - its got **** all to do with what you class as "ineptitude of users".
A multitude of different browsers, different OS's and devices ALL having issues is a "little bit more" than user error......

the site still renders it's self unusable at times.

You're conflating two issues there.

The issues with the adverts are STW's concern and have been looked at (over the weekend, on their day off, whilst out at an event). Rogue adverts will get tracked down, but it's not a simple process, as Mark has explained at length.

The issue with people being logged out more than once a month or so is highly unlikely to be STW's concern, it's a client-side issue (otherwise we'd all be suffering). This is what the comedy stylings of Yunki was alluding to. Nonetheless, the admin staff and volunteer moderators are trying to help people get to the bottom of it because we're nice like that. You're welcome.

Also,

Please don't feed the troll.

You may be nice but helping people to circumvent the vagaries of stw-browser interaction I order that they can realise the benefit of their paid subscription may seem to be more enlightened self interest.

Can't imagine why a business might want to help its customers. So yes, I suppose it might not be entirely altruistic, you'd have to ask them.

Seems a pretty inefficient way of serving "self-interests" though, and I don't really see what logout issues have to do with subscriptions. If I were serving my self-interests I'd have told you all to frack off and fix it yourselves and then gone to the pub, rather than sitting here racking my brains trying to come up with things to try. But y'know.

A multitude of different browsers, different OS's and devices ALL having issues is a "little bit more" than user error......

None of my devices have this issue. Many other people don't have the issue on a multitude of devices. Seems to be down to a few people having issues with their devices. May I suggest out drive to STWHQ at you're own expense and then may have a look at the issue for you.

I have the same issue. Doesn't happen on other sites.
It doesn't really bother me too much, but does happen often.

Can't imagine why a business might want to help its customers. So yes, I suppose it might not be entirely altruistic, you'd have to ask them.

That's sort of what I said, isn't it?

I don't really see what logout issues have to do with subscriptions

Some people reported that they weren't able to benefit from ad-free P-ness because they weren't able to log in, or stay logged in.

customers

😀

That's sort of what I said, isn't it?

I'm not entirely sure, it wasn't the clearest sentence I've ever read TBH.

Some people reported that they weren't able to benefit from ad-free P-ness because they weren't able to log in, or stay logged in.

Did you miss the solution I posted [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/when-consensus-becomes-impossible-to-ignore/page/4#post-6701737 ]two pages ago[/url]?

Ooo seems we've got side by side shit now instead of over the top shit... Lucky us.... :-/

Did you miss the solution I posted two pages ago?.

Was that a solution? Looks more like a temporary workaround to me, but y'know.

Are you here for the five minute argument or the full half hour?

Let me give you an overview of how this issue has progressed:

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out, and there's adverts."

There's no-one to look into it right now I'm afraid, it'll have to wait till after the weekend.

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out, and there's adverts."

Well, ok, here's a bunch of things you can try.

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out, and there's adverts."

Good news everybody! We've found a workaround, it's a simple setting you can change which means if you do get logged out then you can click one button to log back in and there's no adverts.

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out."

The techs are back, here's a behind the scenes explanation and a possible solution.

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out."

Well, it's definitely an issue with your devices, which we can't see, but here's a few suggestions which might help you track it down.

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out."

Have you tried any of our suggestions? Any different?

"Wah wah I keep getting logged out and STW don't care, it's so unfair and I hate you, I was thinking of subscribing but I'm not going to now, that'll show you!! This place is shit and all the other forums are fabulous."

Um. Ok?

Best thread this week.

So argue.

Much lols.

And no one has noticed there are fewer ads on each page now 🙂

You forgot.

"I told the mods along time ago why I won't subscribe"

None of us can recall that of course.

I'm out of the thread now, seems the problems I have are not STW's therefore I'm not going to bother them with my innate whining any longer. I suspect STW Gurus have far better things to think about than us at this time of night (or day come to that)

iDevices wule 8) speshially if they is all linked up like, init.

Thanks for shedding some light on it though STW Gurus, you have come up with a few brainstorm ideas and I like that, thanks.

Cheers Chaps.

😀

You forgot.

"I told the mods along time ago why I won't subscribe"

None of us can recall that of course.

😆

And no one has noticed there are fewer ads on each page now

There are ads? (-:

You know, if you baulk at the price of half a pint per month to have an advert-free experience, might I suggest becoming a moderator? Then you get a [P] for the low, low price of having to spend half your life trying to deal with everyone's problems on a daily basis rather than just your own and leaving work an hour late because of it.

I think I'm going to step away from this for now and find some kittens to drown or something.

Yes Mark noticed that. Thanks. Only 3 today and that was this morning. Thank to Drac and Patrick for patience and attempts to sort things out. Glad that there was a response in the end.

Your friend might take a pause and a chill pill. Sorry STFU and suck it up, cos it's free, doesn't work as all the threads showed. No good misrepresenting how forums work, what posters say and what you told us last week and then calling customers (!!) trolls and whiners for pointing it out. Potential Ratner moment.

Alls well that ends well.

Thank you for addressing the issues.

I think Mark's only going to be getting a 4/5 in his annual review. Just two many deadlines missed this weekend. 😐

Still, room for improvement next year...that's the advantage of getting a four I suppose.

Thank to Drac and Patrick for patience and attempts to sort things out. Glad that there was a response in the end.

Thank you but Cougar provided just as much help.

Your friend might take a pause and a chill pill.

To be fair it was in response to your attitude, which was getting very boring. Like I said early on the thread it seemed to be your thread of choice of arguing for the day. Turned out I was wrong it was for the whole weekend. I guess you haven't used a chill pill for years as it's something we've warned you before for.

Sorry? TH.. I called who a what now? I've been in an airconditioned warehouse in London's docklands all weekend. When did I do another ratner?

🙂

"Customers" was in the context of STW as a business. Which, oddly, it is. I suppose I should've said "users", but I was trying to imply some sort of two-way process. More fool me I suppose.

I called who a what now?

That was aimed at me, Mark. For once, it's not you having tact and diplomacy failure. (-:

Too dd, too (passive what?)

Drac - just stated what's happening but like emails tone can be misinterpreted. Sorry that was not the intent truly.

But no, don't pop pills. Dangerous habit

Not you mark!!!

Over and out. This won't end well. Sorry if my tone went too far but the adds we're bloody irritating and constant.

I'll chip in £1.49 a month if it would help get thm a sense of humour. 🙂

and I will buy you a beer xxx

Thank you for the apology.

lol DD.

£1.49 and they all go away you know 🙂

I take that back.

Why didn't anyone say?

For balance (may as well provide some), I managed to log in from work today without the browser going ""AAARGH, nooooooooooooo" and then firing a missile up its bumhole.

6 pages of whining.

Like a bunch of, well, blokes really.

proud of you guys

And for more balance, just got in and up jumps Tudor man right across the screen. Guess that was a targeted joke!?!? 😯

Emsz, shoosh now and go make us all a round of tasty sandwiches.

Just logged out to check out the adverts... and theres Nutella adverts everywhere! Gawd i love nutella... and the clever nutella reminded me that its pancake day tomorrow. Thank you adverts.

Is this really a life and death issue?

Boba Fatt - Member
Is this really a life and death issue?

What.... You mean you dont like nutella?

I may have missed it, but I'm fairly sure nobody threatened suicide or murdering.

Yes, yes it is. We're glad you joined the thread. The more people here, the better our chance of saving this situation.

Depends if you're trying to think about problems other than your regular bed-wetting?

Is this really a life and death issue?

There was a careless Whispa that the Nuttella boss had passed his "Best By" date

This is the best laid out forum I use by miles.

Really? Because where I'm sitting the only difference between here and 4chan is a disappointing lack of porn.

Seeing as Mark is involved here could he(you) explain why STW needs so much advertising as opposed to bigger forums with more features and users? Skyscrapercity being one example.

It's not the concept that bothers me so much as the over-use of it. If it costs [i]that[/i] much to run the forum I suggest you may want to find new hosts who don't charge the national debt of a small country to host it. If it's a part of an overall financial model for the magazine and wider website then fine.

As for avatars and sigs and stuff like that - you luddites do realise that you can easily disable all that with the click of a button yes?

As for avatars and sigs and stuff like that - you luddites do realise that you can easily disable all that with the click of a button yes?

Avatars and sigs are from 90s.

Right I want my money back, this thread promised consensus and so far I haven't found any at all (Apart from the mini love in on the last page)

Avatars and sigs are from 90s.

Which is an advance on one step up from BBS yes? 😉

Signatures and avatars are shit!

I'm not sure how much clearer I can be on that issue.

[quote=Mark ]Signatures and avatars are shit!
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be on that issue.
Poll! Poll! Poll!

LFGSS is my default forum. They went through a radical change fairly recently; all members were invited to comment on the process by the fella that runs it. There's minimal advertising, avatars, PM's, and all very user friendly. The forum self moderates too, it really is a community.

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/131364/?offset=3850#comment11762439

Maybe worth a look for the STW bods? Might aid the detente process...?

This site could have minimal advertising too.
I'm not sure the 18 staff that rely on this site for a wage would be too happy about that.

Avatars? Brilliant idea! If you're 12! 😆

With Mark on this one, seriously what sort of person needs to try and display their cool internet persona with some lame icon/tiny pic.
On sub forums I went on an Australian one to check current used shock prices, in the there is just about a sub for everything. MTBR has ones for 26", 27.5", 29" and probably more. Here you can see a good hours worth of discussion. Just fix the search instead.

Another one on Marks side regarding avatars and sigs at the bottom of posts.

Signatures are inherently sad and the very few times i dare to venture in other forums that have them they just fills me with despair at the [i]witty[/i] comments the users type about themselves, whether that be attempts at self deprecating humour or the ego led/alpha male strava stats or lists of equipment they own.

C'mon?, your typing on a forum, working your head into a froth over your increasing forum count when real people are out there doing stuff, with no time left in their days to beat themselves off over the keyboard. (I'm on here how much? 😉 )

And avatars?…gawd no……..you may think it says something about you? - yeah it does…you're a **** tool.

And we don't need sub forums either.

An idea for the [i]For Sale[/i] forum but i dunno how practical it would be to implement : charge folk 1% of successful sales to go towards the cost of running the forum.

If i sell stuff i generally wait till it all adds up to a certain amount then bung a few £ into the paypal account as i really can't be arsed listing stuff on ebay, and folk on here are generally pretty decent apart from those who commit to buy then pull out listing some pitiful [i]"lack of money[/i] excuse.

All sorts of things this forum would benefit from which we're always told that nobody wants (I presume that means Mark doesn't want them 😉 ). However sigs, avatars and sub forums aren't on that list - I'm with him (and the consensus?) on that. Not really sure what the point of sigs and avatars are, and rarely bother with them on forums which allow them - we've done the sub forum thing to death, and the all-in-one approach we have here is far, far better than setting up a load of cliques. I'm sure plenty of others like me don't even split into bike and chat, but read the whole forum as one - the only time I remember there are two parts to it are when I start a new thread and have to pick.

I'm sure plenty of others like me don't even split into bike and chat

Not me, I have no interest in pushbikes. I just like forums that feature the googly-eyed little fella 😯 . And will sign up to any that do.

Hope that helps.

[quote=mikewsmith ] seriously what sort of person needs to try and display their cool internet persona with some lame icon/tiny pic.There's an occasional poster on here who never posts without. Start a thread on the history of mountainbiking and he's sure to pop up.

Boba Fatt - Member

Is this really a life and death issue?

No! Its much more important than that! 😡

Oh well, the new Tudor (3x today) completely locks out the screen now. Worse than ever.

(And people are allowed to completely ignore forum rules - message understood.)

Here's an idea for a poll

"Did you become a premier user because the ads were a pain in the arse and you were happy to pay to get rid of them?"

Aside from any revenue they generate for STW, I can't see the ads being of any actual use for the product they're selling. They're so intrusive if you're not logged in or a premier user, that I can't imagine anyone going "wow, that's a great product, I'm going to buy it right now". More likely they go "what kind of massive **** company thinks that's an acceptable way to advertise. I'm never using their products"

Sensibly chosen ads are good, and I know a lot of ad stuff is generated by user's browsing history, but we all seem to be getting ****ted with the massive watch one, Audi wanting to know where we are etc.

Oh, and if you click on a STW link on Facebook, it now opens in some Facebook created browser which doesn't register me as being logged in, therefore the big **** adverts appear and I then need to click to open it up in Chrome instead. That's obviously Facebook being ****s but it's still a pain.

[quote=BoardinBob ]I can't see the ads being of any actual use for the product they're selling. They're so intrusive if you're not logged in or a premier user, that I can't imagine anyone going "wow, that's a great product, I'm going to buy it right now". More likely they go "what kind of massive **** company thinks that's an acceptable way to advertise. I'm never using their products"This was raised previously and I'm sceptical. I tend to think the advertising companies have much better data on this than you or I.

This was raised previously and I'm sceptical. I tend to think the advertising companies have much better data on this than you or I.

My understanding of it, is that it's more important to be aware of a brand. Than to click their advert.

And for more balance, just got in and up jumps Tudor man right across the screen. Guess that was a targeted joke!?!?

Which is an advance on one step up from BBS yes?

What's wrong with [url= http://mono.org/ ]a BBS[/url]?

ll sorts of things this forum would benefit from which we're always told that nobody wants (I presume that means Mark doesn't want them ).

You appear to have confused "democracy" with "benevolent dictatorship."

if you click on a STW link on Facebook, it now opens in some Facebook created browser which doesn't register me as being logged in,

That's a setting in the Facebook app, you can change it. (Though that's probably our fault as well.)

Aside from any revenue they generate for STW, I can't see the ads being of any actual use for the product they're selling. They're so intrusive if you're not logged in or a premier user, that I can't imagine anyone going "wow, that's a great product, I'm going to buy it right now". More likely they go "what kind of massive **** company thinks that's an acceptable way to advertise. I'm never using their products"

It's a numbers game. Advertiser and agency know they need to serve X number of impressions to demographically targeted audience to generate Y number of clicks, which then infers Z number of conversions downline. Take target number of sales/resultant revenue generation for campaign, reverse the maths and this gives number of impressions they need to serve to have a shot at this conversion figure.

Classic sales funnel model. It's all about maths, numbers and definitely nothing to do with emotion.

Every unreactive impression served brings them statistically closer to a reactive one.

My understanding of it, is that it's more important to be aware of a brand. Than to click their advert.

As a new member I have to say I really like the layout of the forum into bike/chat rather than a screen full of sub forums.

The only benefit I can see of having avatars and signatures is that you tell pretty quickly who is going to be really f*n annoying......but it's much more fun working that out. I also like the fact there is no post count as that often gives people an air of superiority over new users.

I realise I am new and will be told that I know * all about what it was like back in the good ole days but from here it looks like a really good forum.

So far as being a P user - I did that for the digital subscription rather than to remove the adverts but admit that removing them has been an added bonus.