[Closed] What's your driving style?

Fast and always 'making progress'.

Vectra.

Driving for +30 years, no accidents etc in the last 30 years.

Sounds like a little more anticipation required.. if you assume everyone will do something stupid then you'll find it much less surprising and much less stressful.

Lesgrandepotato who drives broadly the same in a Mini, Vee Dub or a big black Merc

Do you seriously think people are out to get you because you drive a Panda?

Awesome to the power of amazing...

...at one with my machine - cornering in perfect harmony with the road, tyres protesting near the limit of grip, but always safe and controlled.

Faster than Lewis Hamilton, better round the corners than a Swedish rally driver, women (and a few men) swoon as I stylishly slide past sideways, one hand on the wheel, the other casually adjusting my hair in the mirror..

Renault Scenic 1.6 (or simply "the beast" as it's called. By nobody. Ever.)

'pressing on'

Sometimes I drive like an aggressive ****, sometime like a vicar, depends on my mood.

Golf GTi, Touran & black cab.

Honda Civic. Driving style = like I got Miss Daisy in the back.

[s]T5 kombi van. No mods.
I just drive from A-B. I don't 'make progress', nor do I intentionally pootle. Usually about the speed limit or lower pending road conditions.

As a vehicle, it doesn't encourage knob-end driving. The opposite I think. You are higher, better view of everything, so can make decisions earlier.[/s]

hold on, this is stw. I AM Ken Block and my Hoonivan destroys the roads. Makes them come alive in-fact 😉

Do you seriously think people are out to get you because you drive a Panda?

I deliberately aim for them. I assumed everyone did.

Fast and always 'making progress'.

Vectra.

Driving for +30 years, no accidents etc in the last 30 years.

My Aunt's partner drives one of these and is very similar. He is quite old now and his concentration/sharpness of decades ago have gone so hes literally a timebomb/accident.

I drive a Subaru Forester. I'd say my driving style is smooth- minimal use of brakes, anticipate and lift off and/or gear down etc- this is on the motorway and A or B roads too. I don't do shoved into the seat acceleration then brakes. Its more smooth off/etc.

Must be said when was driving a 523i for a few years, the massive confidence it inspired did eventually put me in an increasingly avaricious overtake mode. It's like a magic wand. And by wand I mean d***.

Now I drive mostly to get a fragile passenger from A to B safely, and in a car that does not inspire overtaking - I get two perspectives. Trying hard to think what use this is in the real world on single carriageways.

Do you seriously think people are out to get you because you drive a Panda?

Let me think about that. No I don't. I think certain drivers don't like being behind a car that is doing the speed limit and is unlikely to corner as fast as they can.

No Quarter!

Surfmatt....only betterer.

Very little driving in my life but own a silly little Clio 197 Renaultsport. The manufacturers of which would probably be depressed how conservatively it is driven most of the time. The only 'adventure' it has is the occasional sharp overtake 200bhp in a little car makes possible (great on the A9).

[i]Surfmatt....only betterer. [/i]

*feels some awe*

blindfolded--with my dog to guide me---

Car - SMax.

Style - Strangely erotic.

All car modifications are related to performance, not style....

torsoinalake - Member

Do you seriously think people are out to get you because you drive a Panda?

Dunno if there's anything in it but whenever I used to drive my Wife's Ka to work, I would get cut up a lot more than in my usual car. People seem to see the car and think "small car = slow & doddery I shall do as I please", even though I was driving at the same speed & manner as I normally would.

Regarding the OP, car is an 03 Ibiza TDi. I would say my driving style is fairly steady & courteous, but my wife would probably disagree.
I rarely break speed limits & try to be courteous to other road users; always using indicators where appropriate, letting people out of junctions etc. but I am prone to getting easily narked if someone drives like a dick & barges there way into gaps that don't really exist etc. which ends up with me getting pretty stressed.

A few weeks ago, I'd had enough of being courteous & always making sure I was in the correct lane with plenty of time before exit slip roads, not pulling onto roundabouts at the last minute etc. On my daily commute it seems to be 'sod everyone else, I am going to do what I want' so I decided to try it for a while. It was horrible. While I could cope with the driving style necessary to carve other people up, I felt horrible about it. Lasted about 5 miles before thinking 'sod that, I'll let them get on with it & carry on as I was'.....

since when does 'making progress' mean 'me fast/expensive car = me first'?

Regarding this comment - these driver's don't seem to realise that just because they have fast/expensive cars they still need the same amount of space to manoeuvre in as other cars. The amount of times I see people hoof it up the outside of a queue & rely on other people's good nature to give them space to pull in at the last minute. Morons.

Fast when I'm alone in the car on open, empty country roads.

Slower and with smoothness and consideration when I have passengers.

Extremely cautiously in built-up areas.

I recently got my first automatic car, a B8 Passat estate with DSG and I'm amazed at how much more relaxed it has made me, especially in heavy traffic. I'm happy to pootle along in the knowledge that if I do want some power, it's there in ample amounts at the press of the pedal.

Best driver evar, angry like someone's just told me I'm not getting pudding! 😡 and all this is a Clio 182 (with recently added bigger spoiler ftw) so everyone's expecting an 18 year old chav/ned in the driver seat - luckily I only look 17.

Like a nun when my bikes on the roof Civic , when on my own a little bit more hasty ,and when driving The Daf 55 with 300 bhp at work again no quarter no prisoners, even better fun in the wet diff locks on roundabout shocked faces as drift city

I drive like my hair is on fire, everyone else on the road is stupid & gets in my way on purpose as they are envious of my super fast....

😳 9 year old Jap mid range estate car 😳

In all honesty I'm Mr Normal, sometimes I drive too fast, sometimes I don't pay as much attention as I should. No points & 19 years NCD though.

There is an element of truth to the BMW/Audi cocklobster drivers though but even then its model specific the smaller end of each range are usually the worst IME.

[i] Do you seriously think people are out to get you because you drive a Panda?[/i]

Yes, strange how people become fixated on the car brand/cost thing. I don't get it.

lol @ edlong. I once attended a driving event. I was just another person in a group of people who didn't know each other.
When I returned from my lap, there was applause.
Not sure if I've ever felt more uncomfortable/embarrased in my life!
I know they meant well, but it wasn't nice, albeit a kind gesture.

Cars: Audis
'Style': (whatever that is) Varies between Rapid to crawl.

I appear to be lucky as I see most stuff before it happens and 'adjust'.

If I may. Driving along at the designated speed or to the limits of the prevailing conditions.
Shouldn't automatically relieve you of your obligation to remain constantly aware of whats happening around you.
imo.

Purely driving by the numbers fails to make one a good driver. In the same fashion that painting by numbers doesn't make you a master artist.

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Slow cruise, judgmental, irritated. Fast only when I need to get away from ****ers/morons.

Passat - was the same in previous cars, which have all been different, more relaxed now I have auto.

Only consistently shite drivers are Discovery/Evoque and women Mini drivers. Even then, not all of them.

And! I! Use! My! Indicators!! (in a very small minority round here)

think "small car = slow & doddery I shall do as I please, even though I was driving at the same speed & manner as I normally would.

Yes, I see small cars piloted by the elderly, slow and doddery all the time (this is Malvern), I'm not elderly (40's) or slow and doddery but in addition to the execs/nobs there are as many dodderers here who do exactly as they like/totally unexpected stops/manouevres. Argh!!! It's sometimes a challenge to be courteous, and I do see the attraction of treating every journey like a sport, when in Rome etc..but no. Middle way!

If I may. Driving along at the designated speed or to the limits of the prevailing conditions.
Shouldn't automatically relieve you of your obligation to remain constantly aware of whats happening around you.
imo.

No sh*t! And signalling from other drivers helps this process. (By signalling I mean using indicators)

Dunno if there's anything in it but whenever I used to drive my Wife's Ka to work, I would get cut up a lot more than in my usual car.

Dunno if there's anything in it but whenever I used to drive my Wife's Ka to work I would get cut up a lot more

If the Ka driver who carved past me in some single-file roadworks on my ride yesterday was anything to go by, there's a definite food chain, and we're right at the bottom. Not exactly conforming to the doddery, slow stereotype there.

I drive a Focus. Boringly. As I get older, I increasingly realise that boring=good driving.

You do tend to anticipate cockish driving based on the make and model. Prime examples around here are modern pickups, black Discos or Range Rovers, and of course, the Audi tailgater.

I am a dull driver. I've been driving a long time, done a lot of miles and am now waaaay past going fast. I can however spot someone doing stupid or about to do something stupid from quite a distance.

I tend to pootle around at the speed limited, sometimes below if conditions dictate. I like to warm the car up before any hard accelerations and also like to brake as gently as I can. I like to be smooth and maintain momentum, my wife accuses me of driving like I'm riding a bike as I try not to stop byt rolling up to lights etc. Basically, I am a pain in the derringer to the drivers above who like to "make progress".

I drive either a VW Golf (work car) or a Nissan Micra (wife's car).

I increasingly find myself frustrated by people who insist on driving at 40, or 50 in a national zone. There are a few roads round here where it happens far too regularly. However, I'll only 'make progress' when safe to. I even overtook a car in town the other day, on a 30 mph road, they were sat 20, so I overtook and I didn't exceed 30. It was very odd.

I grew up with an angry driver as my example of driving, I learnt a lot of horrible lessons with him in the car. I've spent years drilling these bad examples out of me, and these days I am a much calmer driver, I like to watch the road, anticipate stupid behaviour and generally try not to be a d*ck. It's made me a much more relaxed person in general.

I tend to find commuting mostly by bike also helps.

fairly sedate, never speed intentionally, quite attentive, courteous although occasionally lose a bit of concentration particularly if kids are in car.

I'd say that sums mine up, regardless of whether I am driving my wife's Kia Soul (not often, usually just to the garage for petrol.... 🙂 ) or my Company Car (BMW Estate)

I really enjoy driving and 'making progress'. My last few cars have been reasonably quick family wagons but I categorically don't drive like a dick. Motorways were 75, maybe 80 if getting past something rather than the idiots who sit in the outside lane at 90+.

That changed when I got rid of my BMW and got a lowered VW T5 (soon to be a lot lower) and now I'm happy to pootle everywhere in my big captains chair. 65 on motorways is so relaxing! Wish I'd realised that sooner.

Got a little Polo GTi as well which is a great little go-kart. Had two of these now and 3 mk1 MX5s and they're very similar IMHO. Not quick by any means but really good fun to drive.

I drive an ageing 306 diesel estate, I will let you guess what my driving style is.

My style? The art of driving without driving. (Show me shum)

I increasingly find myself frustrated by people who insist on driving at 40, or 50 in a national zone.

Boring driver here too (VW Touran), but the 40mph wonders can be a pain. Have to appreciate most are just enjoying the views here in Snowdonia, but, but, but!

XC60 and drive like a tosser, but you've already made you mind up as to how I drive so no real point in saying anything more is there..? I've another car too (not telling you lot what it is) and I actually drive both like a slow old man wearing grandmas slippers (no, I do honestly drive really slow).

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Oh, reading the other posts. Bit more on style.
generally courteous, use my indicators (sooo many people seem not these days)

Recently I've been using the big roads, DCs, and while to my frustration on the grounds of safety, I see roadies on the DC, I always hang back if in lane 2 to allow the vehicle in lane 1 to use lane 2 to overtake the roadie.

Also make a point of holding back, crawl along behind a cyclist until I can use the other side of the road. I hate close passing cars/vans and wont do that to other cyclists.

I increasingly find myself frustrated by people who insist on driving at 40, or 50 in a national zone

Why?

I'm heading in the opposite direction to you, so to speak. I used to get frustrated by it, now I realise that even if I 'made progress' past this car, I'd probably save a matter of a minute or so at most, or just come up behind the next slower car half a mile up the road. Frustration is just another way of saying that you get angry at other road users, and that just wasn't a healthy way for me to approach driving.

Everyone else is an idiot on the road and im not going to be their victim.

Smooth, considerate and anticipatory.

Still have masses to learn after over 20 years as a qualified driver and would like to be more tolerant.

Audi A6 Avant 3.0 TDI Quattro.

I don't get [i]frustrated[/i] by people pootling along at 40/50, when there's ample opportunity to [b]safely[/b] overtake them. I just do it.

How much time do you save (which is the common question) ? That's the dilemma.

Result A: You overtake, and 1 mile up the road, you end up stuck in more traffic. You've made a little progress.

Result B: You overtake and it's a long time until you see more traffic. You've made considerable progress.

Either way, the outcome is [i]some[/i] progress 😉

I honestly don't think I've ever not used my indicator. A real pet hate is people not using them - even as a pedestrian, crossing a road and then having a car which wasn't indicating swing in on you is an almost daily occurrence.

MartinHutch.

Good point, I've always wondered how important it was to gain that extra 10 sec reduction in journey time or that cars length ahead in the que?

Some folk appear to risk your safety and theirs for little 'gain'. I let them fly by "be gone!" I say.

The amount times, recently, I've been passed by someone who's pubic hair must be spontaneously combusting. Only to see them moments later at the lights! Muppets.
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Smooth, safe and always looking for idiots.

I increasingly find myself frustrated by people who insist on driving at 40, or 50 in a national zone

Actually it's those that drive at 40/45 everywhere that worry me most - through the national zone and then carry on exactly the same through the 30 zone. My mother is joining these ranks - I think it might be an age thing.

Car Driving/overtaking thread?....

You know who's missing, don't you?

Result A: You overtake, and 1 mile up the road, you end up stuck in more traffic. You've made a little progress.

Result B: You overtake and it's a long time until you see more traffic. You've made considerable progress.

When you actually look at the figures though, it starts to seem trivial, even if you've had the sensation of making stunning progress.

Take a 20 mile section of A-road. If you average 60 vs 50, I think you will arrive four minutes earlier, so eight minutes vs 40. But that's the absolute best case scenario where you overtake someone right at the beginning and it's clear right to the end.

TBH I'll still slip by someone going 40 unless I can already see the next slow driver up ahead, but increasingly I can see that this idea of progress is a bit of an illusion. Certainly if I'm behind someone going 50 on the A65 these days I'll just kick back and happily cruise.

Looking back, I had a lot stressful drives up the A5 to North Wales when I was younger where I spent the entire time brimming with frustration, and hunting for ways to get past folk, and probably gained a handful of minutes at best.

Car Driving/overtaking thread?....

You know who's missing, don't you?

He's probably stuck behind a tractor, unable to get past. Give him time 🙂

There are other cars on the road?

Car: whatever the hire company give me.

Rachel

I drive an invisible car aka POS, people always pull out on me from side roads or going around a round-a-bout, despite having my indicator on. I drive with the thought of, no one can see me. If one a bicycle or bike, then its a case of everyone is trying to kill me.

I used to be a fast driver, didn't we all when we were young? I have calmed down over the years, mainly after getting banned when I was 21 and keep the fast driving on the race track.

Actually it's those that drive at 40/45 everywhere that worry me most - through the national zone and then carry on exactly the same through the 30 zone. My mother is joining these ranks - I think it might be an age thing.

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I drive an invisible car aka POS, people always pull out on me from side roads or going around a round-a-bout

I've never had that but I know a bloke who also complained of that and he drove round with his foglights on all the time to counter it. I bet its your driving style, hesitation etc- why? because as I said I've never had that and I've only heard of it once.

In central London its more marked- when its busy you can spot the hesitators, the ones who drive at a different speed or are 'unsure'.

Somewhere from pootle to hooning, depending on my mood and many other factors. I do enjoy driving, not necessarily fast, but not in traffic or sitting on the motorway either.

Like a blast along a nice flowing A or B road. Although tend not to overtake that much on single carriageway roads, unless (a) car in front is significantly slower than my unhindered speed, (b) there is a very good opportunity, and (c) general traffic volume is low such that I'm unlikely just end up behind another car after 100 yards anyway.

Bike licence holder, which even though I don't ride at the moment certainly helped my observation, awareness and anticipation skills.

Currently driving a T5.

Car history includes a number of Land Rovers, sensilble estates, vans, mild hot hatches, and an underpowered 1.1 Pug 106 that was an absolute hoot to drive.

[i]Fast and always 'making progress'.[/i]

Reminds me of the cock on the driving course I did - "I've got 2 speeds, fast and stopped. Huhhuh". Cock.

Yak - Member
[s]T5 kombi van. No mods.
I just drive from A-B. I don't 'make progress', nor do I intentionally pootle. Usually about the speed limit or lower pending road conditions.

As a vehicle, it doesn't encourage knob-end driving. The opposite I think. You are higher, better view of everything, so can make decisions earlier.[/s]

hold on, this is stw. I AM Ken Block and my Hoonivan destroys the roads. Makes them come alive in-fact

This is me! Were we twins separated at birth I wonder, are you incredibly short but quite hansome in a smaller unit kind of way?

Er come to think of it maybe not, just noticed the lack of mods on the T5, no chrome Roadie/Bull bar then and side bars?
Really loud horn conversion?
Pre recorded sound through forward speaker with "Bitch get out of the way bitch" booming loudly?

No?

You're probably quite tall then.. 😉

Edit: totally missed my style, I'm much better since my speed camera imposed anger management course, 30 in third all the time there's a limit I could not survive another of those without taking a warm bath with razor wrist management.

lol it's not my driving style, I did think it might be at one point, but there are now 2 others that drive my car, one of which is a "under the speed limit at all times" and what I would class as a hesitator, all of which also had people pull out and say "oh I didn't see you" it now has a dashcam installed. 😉

It really has to do with the roads I drive on as it happens to others that drive the same roads. Bristol Subarbs road rules: Pull out of a junction and look what is coming as your bonnet hits the road you are joining, put foot down if there is someone there.

I've noticed one thing- driving fast/quick/speeding only feels 'good' to the person doing it. For everyone else they look like a dick.

Can you remember the last time you saw someone driving fast (no not competition/professionals) and thought 'wow he/she looks ace'?

It just doesn't look/nor is it cool.

On a track or karting though- speed is AWESOME and fun.

I've said this countless times Pistonheads forum member Tenpence short posted up his experience and his subsequent jail time when he got his car squiffy and hit an oncoming motorbiker.

Reading that REALLY slows you down.

Ok! The Blockmiester has been mentioned.

Who's going to post the vid?

Give us something to watch while we await the arrival of our very own, in-house overtaking expert.

I drive everywhere flat out. I'm actually on my 3rd ban from driving, so unlicensed, no insurance, car isn't even mine. All the authorities will do is give me another ban on top of this one........

None of that is true.
I actually drive quite sedately most of the time, and only get 20mpg while doing it. Jag XJR. But know that when the mood takes, which it does occasionally, I can play with saxos and have my fun

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I mean you can't stay high the same way forever. So when the 455 came out with the Mach IV Ram-Air with tunnel-port heads, beefed lower end and a Holley high-riser setup, I was
on line -- 390 h.p. and 500 foot-pounds of torque, whatever that is. It's in the folder in the glove compartment. But she's a Road King, all right.
Got a Doblo now though. Much more practical.

Who's going to post the vid?

Which one, they're all the same.

On my way to work yesterday:

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Style:
I once took a set of front tyres back to national and complained they'd melted.

And achieved 'significant' airtime over a hump backed bridge.

Drive:
Ford C-max 1.6 petrol, the non Ti-VCT, bog standard one, in that 'blue so boring it would be beige but then it would stand out against the sky'.

It really has to do with the roads I drive on as it happens to others that drive the same roads. Bristol Subarbs road rules: Pull out of a junction and look what is coming as your bonnet hits the road you are joining, put foot down if there is someone there.

Ha, i've spent the last 6 yrs living in Easton & St Pauls. It's like a comedy hazard perception video most of the time 😆

Personally i drive like i cycle - allow lots of room, never assume that others will necessarily follow the rules, etc etc. Makes me a much more relaxed driver than my wife who is always alarmed and angry when she gets cut up.

i am quite liable to be one of those people doing 50 (but not 40) on a NSL in snowdonia, mind. Get some tunes on, enjoy the scenery, relax a bit. That's the reason i'm in snowdonia in the first place!

I will start with the car, Audi A4 estate 2.0t, Its big enough for kayaks and bikes. Its comfertble as i do 25'000 miles a year. And most impotantlyits reliable. its got 80,000 miles on the clock and only had the tyres brake pads and usual services done.

It avarages 36mpg round town 48 on the motorway.

I have 9 years ncd and never had points. I've been driving 9 years.

I drive to make progress but do the speed limit, i leave space and dont tail gate i indicate when moving lanes and turning at junctions, i will happily sit behind cyclists untill i can see a fair distance to over take them.

I will use my horn when cut up i will slow down and be a pain in the arse when tail gated and i will get out my car and tell cyclist who use it as a prop to get the hell off it. (this does happen)

I didnt buy an Audi to have one i bought it as it was the best car in my budget with the least miles and the best service history. I payed £3500.

Maxtorque - I can almost believe that.... If it was an Ibiza. 😉

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You had to ask?

There used to be a teenager named MatthewT from Rhyl who posted a lot on Cycle Chat. He used a helmet cam and used to rant about car drivers and even filmed himself several times stopping drivers and ticking them off for minor traffic offences.

Silly young Matthew was no more than a source of irritated amusement on the forum, but then he got his first car and began posting videos of himself ragging his car on Youtube. As you can imagine this caused a lot of indignation on CC and in the end even Matt gave up posting, so heavy was the criticism. I wonder whether he's still alive.

usually irritated by everyone else on the road

"Ere' luv, I fand a spayce"

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How many wheels ar we talking
on 4 - Audi A4, speed limit + a bit on the open road, making progress, looking ahead and keeping an eye on mirrors. Been rear ended twice whilst stopped in traffic, no other accidents in 30 odd years
on 2 - like a knob, surprised i'm still here to be honest

Hi folks!

The driving style I aspire to is smooth and relaxed. On a windy road I do enjoy the flow but that doesn't need to be dangerously fast. I give myself loads of headroom because I want to stay alive.

If everyone did the same, I think the roads would be far less stressful and we'd all be happier, tbh.

I save the thrills and spills for the bike.

Or is that your confirmation bias kicking in?

I've said this before and yes, it may well be confirmation bias, but I've noticed a definite shift in attitudes in certain quarters depending what you're driving.

I drove an E-class Merc for a while, and found that people treat you like you're a stereotypical Merc / BMW etc driver. You indicate and some people will actively close ranks to block you in. Sometimes the only way you could manoeuvre was to [i]not[/i] indicate and tip them off, and hey presto it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and I've become one of [i]them.[/i]

I've had small cars too, most recently as hire cars whilst mine's in for a service or what have you. Ka, Fiesta, Hyundai i20, that sort of thing. I've noticed that people will be quicker to bully you if you're driving a roller skate. Approaching a pinch point due to double parking, oncoming traffic will give way to you much more rarely, to a point of almost running you off the road. And heaven forbid you ever drive at the speed limit, you'll almost certainly end up towing someone.

it's those that drive at 40/45 everywhere that worry me most

Monospeeders, I don't know what goes through their mind. A light breeze maybe. I see this daily on my commute to work, I'll blat past someone doing 40 in a 60, then five minutes later they're inches from my back bumper in the 30 zone. Back up to a 50 zone and they disappear behind me. Weird.

Bike licence holder, which even though I don't ride at the moment certainly helped my observation, awareness and anticipation skills.

+1 to this. I'm certain that my driving improved considerably in learning to ride. Definitely improved my observation, I'd recommend it to anyone.

T4 campervan - I drives leisurely
1988 Landrover - I drives noisily. And slowly.
700cc motorbike - I rides like someone who wants to make it home to his boys.

Rarely do I have a deadline to meet when driving, and if I do, I leave such a silly amount of time I could be held up in traffic and still arrive early enough for a spot of lunch first. I think it's the height of bad manners to speed just because you're running late.

I find a lot of people around these parts drive like this guy:
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without that guy who played Robin navigating..

Me, making progress in a safe and observant way (AIM). Seriously, people need to learn to use their mirrors more. My wife once drove for about 40 miles before realising here NS mirror was still folded in 😯

[i] molgrips - Member

Hi folks![/i]

Yay!
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Smart ForFour - the old version, we're not posh.

Style? I was taught to drive by my uncle on a frozen lake in Maine - first proper driving lesson I had here, tried cornering the way I was taught by using the handbrake to get the back end out. I've improved since then.

Spot on Stoner. I'm with you in the bad manors to speed when late, I've turned into my dad a leave massive margins for errors on trip if I have deadline, but hen if I'm early I just listen to the radio and have kip. bloke at work is consistantly 5 min late and complains that he get in trouble for being 5 min late. Get up 5 min earlier then!

I vary a lot. At or below speed limit in built up areas and areas with drive ways, entrences, junctions on main roads but frequently @ or slightly above speed limit on clear stretches with no junctions e.t.c. Fiat Sucudo SWB.