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Selling some car parts on FB marketplace. How is this scam gonna pan out then?
Ok the price suits me ok I take it but I would like to come tomorrow but I am busy with work at the moment, I'll send a Chronopost letter carrier to your home to give you your money in cash and collect the item .
Possibly this
https://www.onlinethreatalerts.com/article/2021/10/16/chronopost-scam-facebook-marketplace-warning/
These seem to be something to do with asking for an insurance payment in advance
As leffeboy say it's https://www.thatsnonsense.com/the-ups-delivery-facebook-marketplace-scam-how-it-works/ (this link contains a bit more info)
Ooh la la.
They will ask you to pay insurance up front via a fake website
Ahh I see. Thanks hive mind.
As if I'd pay anything upfront anyway.
Given how boilerplate these messages are these days you would think that FB would have some sort of software going to detect accounts that do this and just close them down. FB are so dodgy
https://www.sabireviews.com/chronopost-facebook-scam/
The wording on the above site is exactly what you posted OP. The scammers must be doing this on a huge scale. Could even be automated / bot-driven.
Yeah anyone who says "item" is defo scamming you.
Chronopost letter carrier
What the chuff is that? lol!
Run away, run away very fast!
Any jiggery pokery with odd transactions are obviously a stitch up of some sort.
Given how boilerplate these messages are these days you would think that FB would have some sort of software going to detect accounts that do this and just close them down. FB are so dodgy
Facebook is a data slurping company, they don't care what happens on thier platform as long as they can hoover up all the data.
Facebook is a data slurping company, they don’t care what happens on thier platform as long as they can hoover up all the data
Agreed, not sure there is any ethics involved with them at all
Hang on, they are going to pay you in cash, but ask you for an insurance payment? That must be a hefty insurance payment to make it worth their while.
You pay the insurance before they show up.
And then they don't.
Facebook is a data slurping company, they don’t care what happens on thier platform as long as they can hoover up all the data
Agreed, not sure there is any ethics involved with them at all
This. Even the reporting tools are only there to gather yet more data to gauge what people get annoyed about.
These scams must sometimes work but really who would fall for someone wanting to send an envelope of cash, then asking for money up front before the delivery, AND then click on a dodgy link to pay it, in this day and age? There must still be some seriously dopey people around.
Yes. Why would I pay to insure someone else's money?
Thanks for sharing. Fascinating.
To use a mountain biking term, or is it a Ski term? as soon as a transaction goes 'off piste'... you know it's gonna be sketchy.
If they don't pay cash in person, or paypal gift or direct bank transfer, then that's a clear indicator that 'there's something rotten in Denmark'.
These scams must sometimes work but really who would fall for someone wanting to send an envelope of cash, then asking for money up front before the delivery, AND then click on a dodgy link to pay it, in this day and age? There must still be some seriously dopey people around.
It's a simple numbers game. 99% of people won't fall for it, but for the 1% who do, that's how they make money, especially if they can use bots to do the initial 'this still available?' enquirey, it takes a lot of the manual labour out of the work flow.
Then they send an automated 'boilerplate' reply as above...
I blocked, reported and moved on. CBA with playing along.
There’s a great you tube video with mark rober and another YTer, showing the Indian call centre scams…. I can’t believe HOW MUCH money these scam companies make….
Millions..per week…. Honestly…some people..
DrP
Could even be automated / bot-driven.
"Could be"? They're absolutely bots / scripts, as soon as they have to involve an actual human it costs the scammer time and money.
That's why a lot of them are 'obviously' a scam, it filters out the smarter people. The last thing they want is to expend actual effort in landing their catch just to have someone go "hang on a minute..." at the 11th hour.
Hang on, they are going to pay you in cash, but ask you for an insurance payment? That must be a hefty insurance payment to make it worth their while.
It's not about the payment amount. Rather, to make a payment you give them your payment details (bank account, credit card) and then they can take you for thousands.
If they don’t pay cash in person, or paypal gift or direct bank transfer,
I don't know how often this still needs to be said now but, you should never pay Paypal gift to a complete stranger. You have no comeback if it goes wrong. I'm not wholly certain whether a bank transfer is safe either.
These scams must sometimes work but really who would fall for someone wanting to send an envelope of cash, then asking for money up front before the delivery, AND then click on a dodgy link to pay it, in this day and age? There must still be some seriously dopey people around.
the scams you think are obvious are a useful smoke screen for the ones you'd fall for. We're very keen to tell ourselves that other people must all be idiots - and that only idiots fall for these things... that's pretty dumb thinking. Because platforms like Facebook are so unregulated we get to see the scattergun, broad-brush scam attempts that aren't actually targeted at us - and if they're not focused on you they're pretty obvious - if they are..they're not. Out there's is the scam with the right angle that just needs the right timing to catch you. Dopey people might hand over a few quid for a fake insurance. Clever people have handed over the deposit for their house, because the timing was just right.
CBA with playing along.
The 100% stupidest thing you can do is 'play along' - in general terms your taking an untargeted scam attermpt sent to someone the scammer knows nothing about.... and showing them how clever you think you are. Nobody is as clever as they think they are and scammers are nowhere near as dumb as you think they are - they're clever enough to have take £2.5billion off folk in the uk alone in the last year and these are global operations, its a $20billion industry - they are, and can afford clever people. Not matter how obtuse you think you're being you're building a profile. If you worry that facebook mines your data why give data about yourself directly to scammers?- rather than being someone the scammer knows nothing about you're now someone the scammer knows a lot about how they think.
On facebook its especially dumb - because you're corresponding from an account attached a profile that details years of your thoughts, options, likes, location, family at so on. The things people like and share are a pretty good indication of the ideas they'll fall for.
Out there’s is the scam with the right angle that just needs the right timing to catch you.
Yep. I used to think the same, but some of them are really sophisticated these days and all it can take is a moment of inattention to click through to a hostile web page that drops something unpleasant on your computer. I got caught out - embarrassingly - by a phishing test at work a little while ago, it's was something I was expecting (which they would have known so is a bit cheeky) and I simply wasn't paying attention.
I saw one the other day, a malware email with an embedded image of a hair. What do you do if you see a 'hair' on your phone screen? Sneaky.
The 100% stupidest thing you can do is ‘play along’
The other thing that it's easy to forget is, these people might seem like illiterate halfwits (and the call centre script monkey types probably are), but they are organised criminal gangs. At the top of the food chain is highly likely to be some very scary people indeed.
I saw one the other day, a malware email with an embedded image of a hair. What do you do if you see a ‘hair’ on your phone screen? Sneaky.
That is quality
It's a pretty impossible battle if you have to help protect your org against it as on one side these folks are incredibly sneaky and professional and on the other side it's incredibly difficult to get users to use even the most basic MFA as they think it is not needed and no-one would target them
There are many videos on YouTube that show the industrial nature of these scams. It's quite an eye-opener.