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I've got Covid and I'm bored. Currently holed up in the spare room as my wife doesn't want to catch anything from me. Irritatingly, I have to do LFTs for work, so even though I feel more-or-less fine on day 2 (day 0 being the first positive test) I'm still testing strongly positive and therefore am treated like a plague-rat in my own home.
What's everyone else doing? Does everyone else just get a bad cold and then get on with their lives when they feel OK? Do people even know when they've got Covid?
Had to check this as soon tested positive on wed. For kids it's isolate for 3 days. So he's back at school on Mon. For adults isolate for 5 days.
For adults isolate for 5 days
In England?? I thought you didn't have to do anything now. Currently got covid for the second time, rang work and manager say come in but wear a mask. Get to work and manager says "if you hadn't tested, you wouldn't need to wear a mask. Nobody else is bothering to test." Oh well..
Currently got covid for the second time, rang work and manager say come in but wear a mask
Maybe it’s just me that thinks this is dickish behavior
If you have covid and you know you have covid then people shouldn’t be going into work. And tbh I’d say the same about the flu.
tbh I’d say the same about the flu.
This. I thought we'd got past presenteeism. Its not in your employers interest to have you spreading contagion around your workmates.
NHS guidance is here.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Gov guidance is here. Last updated in June.</span>
Isolation used to be a legal requirement, it no longer is.
Limiting the spread of diseases has been a moral obligation since long before covid.
On an individual basis I dont think any rules apply now but from a business perspective its still a notifiable disease which makes things a lot more messy aka speak with HR and try and get a sensible answer.
Personally I would go for trying to minimise contact with anyone else.
Problem with the "just a bad cold" is something we have learnt from covid is the "if you dont feel like you are dying then its not the flu" is complete rubbish.
The impact of flu or covid is highly variable. Many people might not notice it at all (although some may have long term impairment but still might not really notice it unless they are closely monitoring their stats) but others are less lucky.
Although it’s no longer a legal requirement my own opinion is if you suspect you have Covid do an LFT and if +ive isolate until you test -ve.
It doesn’t matter how you feel. If you are +ive you can infect others and they may not fare as well as you.
Presenteeism is alive and well again in many companies in England at least, including when you have Covid, you don't even have to inform managers.
If you don't feel well enough to go in and you cannot work from home, call in sick and chances are being off for Covid will count on your sickness record just like other absences.
It's a mad system and presenteeism is likely to cause chaos this winter, between Covid; flu; reduced immunity to other respiratory viruses.
Currently suffering from a slight common cold(Thanks Sis) but at least it's only slight, and maybe towards the tail end of things now. Actually I don't think I've had covid(touch wood), and I've the 4th booster for covid to get tomorrow afternoon, along with the flu jab, so sore arms for the next few days I reckon.
I think as best with these things is you wrap up well, commandeer the settee, plenty of tea/coffee and stare at the screen all day.
Although it’s no longer a legal requirement my own opinion is if you suspect you have Covid do an LFT and if +ive isolate until you test -ve.
Only need to isolate for 5? days not until you test -ve. That’s because you can still be testing + weeks or months after you are no longer contagious (I was testing + months after, apparently this is common)
I'm supposed to work in the home of someone who currently has it bad.
Bit worried about that to be honest.
The desire to leave the work waiting longer is countered by the being skint.
I'm a teacher. A colleague announced in the staffroom the other day that they had covid but had come in anyway because they had so much to do.
I politely pointed out that this wasn't the best of ideas and bizarrely the general opinion seemed to be that I was the villain of the piece for suggesting they should have stayed home.
People are weird.
I think you should be doing everything you can not to spread it. My mum has just had it. She's a bit upset because when she thought it was just a flu vaccine reaction (got symptomatic just after her vaccination) she thinks she might have given it to an older person who is now in hospital with it.
As soon as she knew for definite she was living upstairs with my dad downstairs.
This is something thats still hospitalizing people and if taking a few days off work and keeping yourself to yourself can lower community transmission then it's a no brainer.
The swift return of presenteeism is very sad.
Last day I went into the office, as I checked my pbone on arrival, first thing I see is a picture of Mrs Pondo's positive test. They sent me home.
People are still getting long covid from 0micron and according to the ONS, as of July some 2 million people in the UK were experiencing self-reported ongoing symptoms. Hits people in all demographics, old and young, fit or not, including quite a few one here. That alone would be enough to make me want to minimise any chance of transmitting it to others. On a personal level, I was wiped out for over 18 months by an initially mild infection, it's really not something you want to inflict on anyone.
We’ve been told by our employer that Covid should be treated as cold and to do what you normally would under those circumstances…
We’ve been told by our employer that Covid should be treated as cold and to do what you normally would under those circumstances…
Which in the UK appears to be do nothing the reduce the risk of transmitting it to others - when in some workplaces it even appears to be a competition to see who can drag themselves in while most ill.
The morally appropriate thing to do it ensure we take steps to reduce spreading a disease which can make some people very ill. When you look at just how much the UK resisted doing just that at the start of covid… well let’s just say I feel the we as a nation has lost our way.
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Currently got covid for the second time, rang work and manager say come in but wear a mask
Maybe it’s just me that thinks this is dickish behavior
To be fair to our current manager, he would just be relaying company policy (Royal Mail) and he is a really sound bloke. In contrast to the previous one who was a complete see you next tuesday and took pleasure in being one. Most of the other staff seem to have come down with coughs/sniffles etc. at the same time but no one seems to care. My self and one other in the office are actually classed as vulnerable but seem to be ok so far.
As a team manager I was always conflicted. I too would once have scoffed at the thought of taking a couple of days off for a bit of a sniffle but over the years I realised that there were too many times that one or other members of the team would come and cough and sneeze over the lot of us. Living in a household with a teacher and two school-aged kids I was resigned to the fact that autumn and winter was a time of constant sneezing and snotting.
BUT this is different. This is a disease that has potential long-term debilitating consequences, and it's not about how it affects me (I've got it now and just spent several miserable days isolating in my man-cave so that my wife can avoid it)
I sing in a male voice choir, and many of the guys there are in their 70s and 80s, and they and their partners/spouses are going to be far more vulnerable to it than I am so I'll do everything that I can to avoid passing it onto others.
It's already killed a couple of my relatives, and has permanently disabled another.
Going to work whilst having Covid is a proper dick move. I’ve had it three times now and never really fully recovered. It’s not about you, it’s about everyone else. Saddened but completely unsurprised by the return of presenteeism. We should be doing all we can to restrict the spread, especially through winter.
Edit - Not having a dig at the OP or anyone being told to go to work.
Sad that lessons learnt from the first couple of waves are being ignored so quickly.
Though I totally understand those who cannot isolate/WFH and will lose pay its a terrible position to be in. With rising costs some people really cannot afford to take time off work. It's going to make this winter really tough.
We treat it like a cold at work, in so much as if you are coughing and spluttering work from home, if you are able to work a full day, if not you are sick which is why we have an absence policy and reasonably generous sick pay. If you now get Covid it's treated as any other illness, however you need to be off 3 or 4 times across 12 months before absence management kicks in and a lot more before you get sacked so unless you are already taking lots of random time off it's not a problem.
People forget that pre pandemic any number of respiratory illnesses were serious for the vulnerable, we just didn't realise or didn't care.
It's a tricky situation. However I think we have a moral duty to 'think of others' and not spread colds, flu or any types of virus.
An 81 year old auntie just got the sniffles when she recently caught covid . My 36 year old nephew, not so lucky and many months on, still can't ride a bike more than a mile and has only just gone back to working 5 days a week. The weekends for him are spent recovering.
I feel more-or-less fine on day 2 (day 0 being the first positive test)
I felt fine on day 3 (days 1 and 2 were rough) and on day 4 the cough started and didn't go for about 5 weeks.
in some workplaces it even appears to be a competition to see who can drag themselves in while most ill.
This has always wound me up. Being diligent is laudable, but at what cost? There's little point in dragging yourself into work out of little more than pride if all you're going to do is sit there like death warmed up all day.
A bit of a spectrum, then.
To be clear, I’m working in the NHS and there are strict rules about when I can return (day 6 with consecutive negative LFTs or day 7). The hospital system is incredibly stressed at the moment with covid sickness but nevertheless I’m happier to stay at home for the sake of patients.
My question was really about what people do in their homes when a member of the family has covid?
My question was really about what people do in their homes when a member of the family has covid?
I've been sleeping in spare room and not getting too close to OH to try to avoid giving it to her. She had a weekend with friends this weekend who she hasn't seen for months and didn't want to ruin that for her.
At home, generally stay out of their way but no strict isolation. For most households this is over. People don't test regularly, they don't even test when they've got symptoms anymore. People don't even have asy access to test kits. So you dont know someone else has it until they have symptoms which are now often cold like. So you dont know if it's a cold or Covid and by the time someone has cold like symptoms you've probably also got it anyway.
I'd suggest that you stay at home and avoid others until you are clear of it
Really, why risk passing it on to someone who may become seriously unwell? Or die?
It's only a small percentage of your year. Put your feet up and chill out. The world will carry on just fine.
I caught it a couple of weeks ago, prob on a Tues evening, coincidentally the day after my wife had her 2nd booster. I felt a bit rough and then tested +ve at the end of the week. We basically did nothing different here, ate together, watched TV together, slept in same bed etc (apart from 1 night when I kipped downstairs because I couldn't stop coughing) She was absolutely fine.
Thats based on a sample size of 2 people.
We have generally avoided other people in that time, but that's fairly normal for us. Not been pub, restaurant, gigging or owt else
Are people buying LFT’s?
I’ve down to my last box I think so am saving that for when I go to visit elderly parents.
I got lots of coughs and cold with my crap, asthma riddled lungs so that box wouldn’t last if I tested every time I had symptoms.
Are people buying LFT’s?
Mrs S works for the NHS so we have a steady supply.
FWIW I had something Covid-like a few weeks ago but tested -ve every day. Regardless, I decided to minimise personal contact as, Covid or not, why risk passing on any respiratory disease?y
It’s an interesting point @dazh Should we be concerned that the (unelected) “markets” can dictate government policy
I'll be honest, we didn't worry too much at home. Both kids, and then me, have had Covid separately over the last 15 months,no real additional efforts to isolate, even sharing a bed MrsMC didn't catch it from me.
As a family, we worked from home, stayed off school etc, and kept well away from my aging parents
The 5 days is because there's no longer free testing available. Most employers I've worked with provided tests and stuck with the 5days + 2 negative tests 24h apart or wait 10 days.
Everyone I've known recently with it tested negative on about day 6 or 7. So if you have testing kits I'd stick with the 'old' guidance of waiting 10 days or untill you test negative before interacting with people outside the house.
Boring, but given the R number peaked arround 4-5, if you spread it around that's then 25-50 boring days for other people at home with the flu, for the sake of you spending another couple of days at home Zwifting, doing DIY and getting on top of all your life admin.
"a bit rough" is how I felt first time I had it. A few weeks ago the new milder version knocked me completely flat. Illest I can remember feeling and first days off work in 15 yrs (I can wfh) lying there feeling sorry for myself.
So I dunno, you don't know how it's going to hit you and I'm now a bit less blasé and have my booster booked.
I've just had my booster (4th jab) and I've been ****ed for 3 days. It didn't happen with the other jabs and I haven't had covid. Don't think I'd be much use in a workplace, paperweight or doorstop maybe.
MRsF has just tested positive. She's currently in our room as she's feeling rough, but is still pottering about. She's staying away from work. Just got to hope I don't get it, as got a two days MTB'ing next weekend with mates.
Is it wise I WFH this week ? I'm sleeping on the settee !
We came back from last weekend away feeling rough, thought we’d overdone the drinking but felt even worse the next couple of days. Wife went in to work on Monday and called in sick for Tuesday - both felt dreadful for pretty much the rest of the week and couldn’t have gone in to work (I’m off anyway for another week).
We’ve only been going out to walk the dog and crossing the road to avoid people. Haven’t done another test yet but will do before we start going out and mingling again.
Other half isn’t due back to work until Saturday, it’s messed up her week off as she was supposed to be away, so we’ve both avoided having to think about what our current work rules are.