[Closed] What word means "not ashamed" but isn't "Pride"/"Proud"

Sounds like you might be ambivalent?

Unabashed....

Try here

Comfortable.

Just drop the word pride.

I am northern

I am black

I am gay

I am southern but wish I wasn't

etc

I week in Amsterdam with the run up to Gay  Pride was fine but a woman saying she was proud to have been born in Swanage mader me think PRIDE/PROUD is mis-used and STW should fix the problem. Over to STW Towers now!!!

Um.

I know I'm a bit simple, but I thought it was 'unashamed'.

Ambivalent..?

With regards to the northern bit we can be proud because God took all that's pure and true and awesome in the universe and forged it in fires of fortitude and from this fulmination of the incredible he brought forth the northern.

The rest? They're ok.

Just don't mention it.

unashamed and ambivalent are what I came up with but don't really work on a  banner or song.

Sing if your glad to be abivilent

Sign if your happy that way

I guess my gripe is with people using proud to represent things they have no choice about.

I cannot be proud about being a white European as there is nothing I could have done to influence it

I can be proud about the Southampton Bike Park because I created it.

I am happy as a slightly sunburnt white European and proud about the bike park

What word instead or PRIDE do we stick on our banners?

British?

😛

British?

That's it!

unrepentant?

remorseless?

With regards to the northern bit we can be proud because God took all that’s pure and true and awesome in the universe and forged it in fires of fortitude and from this fulmination of the incredible he brought forth the northern.

Pity he didn't look at hus blue print a bit mire often.

You're middlern at best.

thestabiliser

...we can be proud because God took all that’s pure and true and awesome in the universe and forged it in fires of fortitude and from this fulmination of the incredible he brought forth the northern.

It's very nice of you deep southerners to say that. Ta, I feel proud. 🙂

Hmmm! The answer I was expecting isn’t here.

Is this really such an issue?  At best, it's an excuse for a colossal piss up, at worst material for a classic British comedy of errors.

Unrepentant but with nothing to be proud of ?

Gammon, innit !

unashamedly. -  openly and without guilt or embarrassment.

The word 'pride' has multiple meanings/definitions.

2.
consciousness of one's own dignity.
"he swallowed his pride and asked for help"
synonyms: self-esteem, dignity, honour, self-respect, ego, self-worth, self-image, self-identity, self-regard, pride in oneself, pride in one's abilities, belief in one's worth, faith in oneself; amour propre

Pride is a confusing and often misused word. I tend to use 'pride' to mean 'excessive self-esteem' or when expressing regard towards the achievements of someone close to me ie 'I'm proud of you'.

Another definition of 'pride' (from Webster's Online Dictionary):

b : a reasonable or justifiable self-respect

No definitions I've referenced make reference to 'unashamed'.

'Dignity, 'honour' and 'justifiable self-respect' (at least in my view) are less cringe-inducing than 'unashamed'

'Unashamedly' sounds like someone has something to be ashamed of yet denies it?  Almost 'unrepentant'?

Imagine declaring (unironically) 'I'm 'unashamedly black' or 'unashamedly gay'?  gtfo

Yet I could totally imagine someone saying 'I'm unashamedly racist' or 'unashamedly anti-gay marriage'

I look forward to the redundancy of all this.

It’s almost as if people have forgotten that Pride is a ‘deadly sin’

"Imagine declaring (unironically) ‘I’m ‘unashamedly black’ or ‘unashamedly gay’?"

Well that's the whole point of the various Pride movements, isn't it? For a long time black or gay (or Irish, or various flavours of immigrant etc.) people were expected to be ashamed and feel inferior simply for being so, therefore the idea was to say "No, I'm not ashamed to be ____, I'm proud of it"

Hence why it seems ridiculous for people who belong to groups that have never been historically victimised to any significant extent to try to co-opt Pride slogans...

Contented or happy.

Humbled.

A quick Google on 'Proud' throws up Happy as a synonym; it's simple but fits nicely with your list of examples and lacks any arrogant undertones that Proud might have.

Doh! MSP beat me to it.

Happy? Isn't the correct term Glad ?

Sing if you're glad to be Northern, sing if you're happy that way.

Yes, Glad works but I think Happy is the best. All the pleasant connotations without any negative ones.

But doesn't gay also mean happy? In which case, does gay pride become gay gay? Or gay^2?

As I read it, central to your post is not the concept of pride, but that of shame – which you attach implicitly to minority groups including black people and gay people*.

It's that implicit association with shame that the PRIDE thing is all about trying to break, I think, and all power to it.

It might be important to distinguish between 'what you have done' ('I rode a bike for 100 miles') and 'what you have had done to you' ('I was bullied every day at school for being gay').

You shouldn't have to earn the right to feel pride.

* You also mention Southern and Northern people of course, for humorous balance I suppose.

All the pleasant connotations without any negative ones.

What are the negative connotations?

Just saw that Pjay offers 'arrogant undertones'. Any others?

Gratified - I feel gratified for the parts of my soul that belong to and come from the North (Scottish Borders and Cumbria).  They’re the amiable, fair and value driven parts that were intangible to me when growing up, but are starkly apparent when going elsewhere.

DorsetKnob - Not trying to imply shame or use northerners for comic relief, honestly. I just wondered if there was a good way though the use of words to distinguish between things that the individual can do and the things that they inherently are and cannot affect.

I am two legged (at the moment).

Can I be PROUD of that or just happy / okay about it? I did nothing to make it happen and had no real choice in the matter, it just is. What exactly am I being proud about?

I am one legged (probably at somepoint).

Can I feel PROUD that I have overcome the adversity and successfully completed my first ever marathon? I did it, I had to work harder than others and overcome more hardship but I made it. That is what I feel proud about.

I am gay.

Yeah, well it was how I was born so get over it. PROUD?

I am not gay.

Yeah, well it was how I was born so get over it. PROUD?

Yeah, but you’re a nice person, and don’t judge people on their colour or orientations.

You speak from a position of assumed equivalence, but historically (as others have said here) that equivalence hasn’t existed.

It would be ridiculous for members of the predominant groups to try to ‘reclaim’ a position they’ve enjoyed for decades/centuries; and ridiculous to pretend it’s not necessary to give other groups a lift sometimes, on the journey to equality and justice.

#peaceandlove

Okay, I take your point but you might not be aware that I spent the first 9 years of my life as the 'only white boy in the village' across most of East Africa, the ME and East Asia. Lets assume I was only aware of the prejudice from 4 years old but I still remember 'hairy white pig' being my school nick-name in a number of villages.

I think it was seeing how the prejudice changed from place to place made me realise how stupid it was.

I was not always in the privileged majority

‘Thankful’ works quite well in the context. If it was needed to stop WCA getting upset.

The Allusionist podcast kind of handles this in the recent episode I listened to the other day. The state of being neither positive or negative towards a thing/object/trait.

Ambivalence is different because it implies that you hold multiple, opposing, views rather than a single neutral position. So that’s not the right word here. I agree that I would be reluctant to self-apply the term proud unless I’d done something very difficult. Otherwise it seems arrogant - but I can’t decide if that’s just because I’m a self-effacing Brit who can’t bigup about themselves without feeling deeply uncomfortable.

Happy? Isn’t the correct term Glad ?

I'm not sure; to me it feels that "To be happy with something" is to accept things as they are regardless, whilst "To be glad of something" implies that this is the preferred outcome (i.e. I'm glad that I'm this, not that) - but this might just be the way I interpret things.

With regards to the northern bit we can be proud because God took all that’s pure and true and awesome in the universe and forged it in fires of fortitude and from this fulmination of the incredible he brought forth the northern.

That’s certainly what the Vikings thought, it must be their influence on the scruffy bunch north of The Wash...

9 years of my life

That's centuries of oppression atoned for then.

🙂

Yeah, I only had it for 9 years but I am sure there were purple before me. Very few people get centuries of personal experience.

More seriously,  I am really not trying to minimise or deny the prejudice a n suffering any group of people have been through.

I was looking for some distinction between things am individual does which they can be proud of and things that people simply are which they can be happy with.

The trouble comes when you say something mildly positive such as I am happy to be a red head. This seems to infer that you have accepted it rather than you are perfectly happy with it and it isn't an issue.

I feel the word proud isn't the right one. I genuinely don't know what the right word is which is why I stayed this thread.

I am a white, slightly over weight male. Should I say I am proud of any of those characteristics?

If I was a black, slightly over weight male should I say I am proud of any of those characteristics

Yes,  I know that there have been centuries of bigotry and prejudice against black people in the UK so you might wish to say that being black msimply isn't an issue for you but is the right word proud?

If I was still in east Africa would it then become right for me to be p proud to be white?

I was just looking for a non- confrontational and baggage free word to say I am happy.

Happy seems to come out on top at the moment.

chuffed - does that work ?