[Closed] What will the U.K. look like...

like this

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Increased poverty, increased unemployment, decreased standard of living for everyone but the rich, increased waiting times for the NHS, increased homelessness, destroyed public services.

Increased poverty, increased unemployment, decreased standard of living for everyone but the rich, increased waiting times for the NHS, increased homelessness, destroyed public services.

ever the optimist eh TJ? 😉

Realist Torminalis. Its the clear and obvious outcome of the ConDem policies

You will see

Gated burbclaves, Bucky domes, big black motorbikes and the wearing of nano ceramic knives mandatory at all times and coal fired power stations built next to cities as the National Grid will have fallen into disrepair.
Or
Motorways given over to bicycles with allotments either side, money is a thing of the past and Everyone wears tie die clothes.

Increased poverty, increased unemployment, decreased standard of living for everyone but the rich, increased waiting times for the NHS, increased homelessness, destroyed public services.

yes i think your right it breaks my heart to think what type of life my grandchildren will have .

Like it is now.?

The World according to TJ:

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something like this:

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idave - is that what happens if we follow the diet?

tj - boring.

Increased poverty, increased unemployment, decreased standard of living for everyone but the rich, increased waiting times for the NHS, increased homelessness, destroyed public services.

Tragic transformation of places with currently high levels of public employment like Morpeth and Oxford. Schools go down the tubes as kids see little point in working and can't afford HE anyway. An utterly divided society with a repressive and even more violent police force. There will be more depression, petty crime, substance abuse and the Bullingdon Club will be completely immune to it and Gideon will be skiing with Charles and Will in Klosters.

The first prosthetic eye to match the performance of a real human eye will emerge.

Hub gears will weigh less than current conventional hubs and the first nanotubule frames weighing sub 1lb will be coming onto the market.

Advances in battery technology will mean electric cars are coming onto the market at long last and you will only have to charge your mobile phone once a month.

The condems will be long gone.

TJ will still be banging on about a golden age that never was.

Stem cell research will enable the rebooting of skin cells to allow the growth of replacement body parts in labs. Still very expensive but getting cheaper all the time.

The internet will have taken down the last of the world dictators as people availed of information and an ability to organise themselves rise up against the shackles of oppression. Egypt 2011 is hailed as the start of a new age of emancipation.

large swathes of golf course interspersed with overpopulated polluted cities which will be surrounded by shanty towns..

and very mildewy and damp

One things for sure, the usual subjects will still be desperate to spend other peoples money, even if they haven't been born yet.

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nah it will just be full of call centres where we will be providing tech support in urdu and mandarin to middle class asians who make fun of our accents

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9382745.stm

well, in my lifetime (30ish years), we've gone from labour/conservative/labour/conservative.

in that time we've got computers and that, mobile phones, and radio-controlled helicopters for £20.

but not much else to report.

i confidently predict very little will change in the next 5 years.

Realist Torminalis. Its the clear and obvious outcome of the ConDem policies

You will see

Is that "You WILL see"?

I get the feeling you will be twisting the facts to "make the cap fit" regardless TJ!

You are sullenly standing by, wishing it all to go wrong for us. A mean spritied nasty far left winger, you want everything down at heel, so everyone is a miserable and disadvantaged as you! Shameful!

I personally have little faith in modern politics, but i'm sure that just as the public finances are coming back under control (but far from balancing the books), a left wing government will get back in to blow it all - bribing the likes of TJ and others who expect something for nothing.

The whole political system in the UK is going seriously wrong: We have increasing numbers of career politicians who's only work experience is working for government think tanks. Increasingly, they are people from exclusive private schools and I refer to politicians of all political persuasions.

It is my firm belief that you have to have worked at the coalface to understand the coalface, so in this respect, we are being governed by people who have a poor understanding of how life is for ordinary people. Ordinary people are getting a diminishing say in Westminster and social mobility is becoming a thing of the past. All bad news!

My guess that we will have enjoyed a year or two of economic recovery in five years time. Nothing dramatic, just a gradual improvement in our circumstances.

Labour went on one almighty spending binge which we simply could not afford - Alistair Darling was pretty clueless about the gravity of the situation he was creating. Labour committed us to some serious spending even in the final throws of their administration, safe in the knowledge that somebody else would have to pick up the pieces.

The truth is that people not even born will be paying for their mess in decades to come.

In reality, the cutbacks we are experiencing fall far short of what is really needed to balance the books. Public spending is still growing, just not so fast. A sorry sorry mess the likes of TJ cannot begin to comprehend.

What Clegg and his lot need to do is grow a pair and instist that the rich are prevented from sheltering themselves from tax in these tax havens around the world. We denigrate benefit cheats (righly so), but the tycoons who legitimately swerve paying billions in tax need to be held to account. Named and shamed!

I'm beginning to sound like a bloody liberal! 😯

Your local FC woods will look like this in 5 years:
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And then this in ten years:
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How did the crunch vote go by the way?

Kimbers - brilliant.

One of my most favorite films, and I agree with you.

Spongebrain:
bribing the likes of TJ and others who expect something for nothing.

You sad little envious man. Your life must be so unpleasant living with that much envy, hatred and bile. I really rather pity you.

You know - I have spent my life in public service. Looking after the old the sick and the vulnerable. All I ask is a reasonable wage and a decent pension. Both under attack. I am actually very content in my life - but saddened by the attacks on the ethos of public service from small minded little men like you who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I personally have little faith in modern politics, but i'm sure that just as the public finances are coming back under control (but far from balancing the books), a left wing government will get back in to blow it all

.... that's the problem. We've never had a proper left-wing government.

I'm already stock piling guns,food and tin foil hats in my workshop bunker.

Seriously though, having recently become a father it does worry me how it will be when she is older.

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You know - I have spent my life in public service. Looking after the old the sick and the vulnerable. All I ask is a reasonable wage and a decent pension

Unfortuately the cost of a decent pension are way out of control and the previous gov didnt do much to sort it out if you look at what you have to pay into a private staveholder pension to get anything like the public sector pensions you would be horrified.

The nhs pension was widely accepted by workers as something to mitigate against the low wages for qualifications/stress/responsibility ratio. If I got paid more I would be happy to put more in my pension. Instead we get pay freeze for at least 3 years, ie pay cut equivalent to 'cost of living' inflation. Cheers!

Realist Torminalis. Its the clear and obvious outcome of the ConDem policies

You will see

Just out of interest, what do you think would be the clear and obvious outcome be if we'd stuck with Labour and their unsustainable spending?

Much the same, I would guess.

NHS pension fund is easily affordable and is pretty much self funding. It was also reorganised a few years ago to reduce the benefits to new entrants.

Most NHS pensioners get a few thousand a year - barely enough to take them out of benefits.

Just out of interest, what do you think would be the clear and obvious outcome be if we'd stuck with Labour and their unsustainable spending?

Ah, that old chestnut. The pickle we're in isn't fundamentally the result of Labour's mismanagement of the economy (which up until the recession was cruising along quite nicely with one of the better debt to GDP ratios in the world), but the bankers, who through greed and avarice (albeit supported by politicians of every colour) managed to wreck the economy. Result? Tax revenues fall through the floor meaning that of course we build up a huge public sector deficit. If Labour hadn't borrowed the money to keep up public spending during 2008-09 then we'd be in a much worse state than we are now.

Cameron has spun the whole 'it's Labour's fault' thing beautifully.

According to the Daily Mail, central London will look like this :

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According to me, central Croydon will look like this :

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Cameron has spun the whole 'it's Labour's fault' thing beautifully.

Who said anything about it all being Labour's fault? I just asked what the situation would be if instead of 5 years of ConDem cuts, we had 5 years of unsustainable spending? Perfectly valid question, seeing as it's all based on [s]conjecture[/s] educated guesswork anyway.

NHS pension fund is easily affordable and is pretty much self funding.

Is the NHS pension index linked ?

Thats good news shame the same cant be said about local government and the emergency service esp the Police

Ernie, where are they going to find the money to tidy up Croydon from?

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Oh, sorry - that's now.

In 5 years is anyone's guess.

In 50 years, I seriously worry for my grandchildren.

It'll be ok.

People will still find/have things to worry about whatever happens. Bad stuff will still happen, so will good stuff.

The human race will keep bumbling along, as it always has.

I reckon.

All I ask is a reasonable wage and a decent pension.

pension unavailable to those not in the old scheme to be funded by taxpayer who pay your salary (and hence "contribution" and make up any shortfall for the emplyer side)

Most NHS pensioners get a few thousand a year - barely enough to take them out of benefits.

statistics skewed by high churn rate of low pay staff who are the majority of scheme members

care to state your pension benefits in a public forum TJ I'm sure everyone will have sympathy for you then 😉

Ernie, where are they going to find the money to tidy up Croydon from?

I've got complete faith in my Tory-controlled council Mark.

That's why I'm convinced that we'll all enjoy the luxury of living in a traditionally constructed pinewood wardrobe.

Increased poverty, increased unemployment, decreased standard of living for everyone but the rich, increased waiting times for the NHS, increased homelessness, destroyed public services.

Best start grafting to join the rich then!

🙂

TJ, how on earth would you have had faith that the previous gov would have reduced the national debt? Maybe we could have kept spending until you got your reasonable retirement and pension and let the next generation pay for the mess we left behind?

No i'm not naive, but i can not believe that career politicians would commit political suicide by DESTROYING the UK economy and risking not being re-elected, doesn't make sense does it?

Anyway, wasting my time, so whatever.

care to state your pension benefits in a public forum TJ I'm sure everyone will have sympathy for you then

If I retired tomorrow I would receive ( based on last years earnings and nearly 20 yrs contributions) a lump sum of around £4000 adn around £3000 pa pension.

Assuming I get a full time post, work in that until I retire so another 10 years contributions the lump would be around £10 000 pa and the pension around £10 000 pa.

I pay 9% of my salary to this

Very rough figures but it will be around that

NHS pension is just about fully funded BTW IIRC

Don't believe the myths put around by tories determined to wreck the public service and who want their friends to make profits of public sector workers by privatising the pensions

its a moral panic built up about the public sector pensions. Instead you should be agitating for decent pensions for the private sector. The race to the bottom does no one any good.

Youa re completely wrong about churn as well - the majority of workers stay for decades

I am a highly skilled individual who has decided not to go into management. With a professional qualification, a degree, decades of experience, working unsocial hours in stressful conditions. Teh best I can get is short of £30 000 pa

Now how much do you earn and how much will your pension be>

Happy?

si_progressivebikes - Member

TJ, how on earth would you have had faith that the previous gov would have reduced the national debt?

Where did I say I did? However putting th4e economy into recession is not the right way to go about it.

You didn't say it, but how would they have gone about sorting the deficit out, whilst keeping the masses happy?

No i'm not naive, but i can not believe that career politicians would commit political suicide by DESTROYING the UK economy and risking not being re-elected, doesn't make sense does it?

Why would they be committing [i]"political suicide"[/i] ? Surely as the economy deteriorates they can simply just blame Labour ? Already we are now back in negative growth and unemployment is rising, are you blaming the Tories for that ? Or are you blaming Labour ?

Besides, [i]even if[/i] they lose the next election it will be no big deal, as long as they have privatised as much as possible for the privateers, destroyed Britain's social structures, and shifted the burden onto the ordinary people and away from wealthy bankers and all those responsible for the mess.

It will after all have been well worth it ...... history has shown us that Labour governments never undo the damaged caused by the Tories. They have neither the guts nor the power.

[b][i]"As a minister, I experienced the power of industrialists and bankers to get their way by use of the crudest form of economic pressure, even blackmail, against a Labour Government. Compared to this, the pressure brought to bear in industrial disputes is minuscule. This power was revealed even more clearly in 1976 when the IMF secured cuts in our public expenditure. These lessons led me to the conclusion that the UK is only superficially governed by MPs and the voters who elect them. Parliamentary democracy is, in truth, little more than a means of securing a periodical change in the management team, which is then allowed to preside over a system that remains in essence intact. If the British people were ever to ask themselves what power they truly enjoyed under our political system they would be amazed to discover how little it is, and some new Chartist agitation might be born and might quickly gather momentum"[/i][/b]
- Anthony Wedgwood Benn

Naive ? Yes, you appear to be very naive. Still, you're not alone.

Chaps chaps, can't we just leave the bloody cuts alone for one thread and ponder what developments and wonders mankind can rustle up in 5 years, or 50 years?

This thread was looking quite promising.

Classic Radio Times cover

Z-11, what a film! Still scares the bejesus out of me now - although the hospital scene is not unlike an average night in A+E, tbh.

For my own part, I await the coming Rapture.

what developments and wonders mankind can rustle up in 5 years

All Government policy to be decided via sticky polls on Mumsnet.

Sandra Bullock lookalike "companion robots".

Brompton 29ers.

can't we just leave the bloody cuts alone for one thread

Swear filter avoidance ?

Ernie, where are they going to find the money to tidy up Croydon from?

In 5 years time Croydon will be the new Barcelona. I read it in the Evening Standard.

I can't wait. At the moment the only thing the High Street has in common with Las Ramblas is english drunks puking and pissing in the street.

nah it will just be full of call centres where we will be providing tech support in urdu and mandarin to middle class asians who make fun of our accents

Too true. History shows nobody stays on top for ever, things go in circles, so it's the most likely outcome.

I think there will be great progress in medical treatment but the vast majority of it will be financially out of reach for the average man/woman. Ironic when you think that we (mr & mrs average) have paid for large parts of it.

understanding Agenda 21 will give you a clearer picture f whats just around the corner

At the moment the only thing the High Street has in common with Las Ramblas is english drunks puking and pissing in the street.

😀

5 years, hmmm. Country will be out of recession, well sort of. Real issue i see is that at the current rate of oil usage. IEA is saying no problem, that by 2015 there will be more oil than demand and the price will be at $114, or that is what they were saying last june. But there is also a fair amount of data to suggest we are at or about to hit peak oil and that prices are going to climb along way.

The impact, well transport is going to get very expensive. Which will knock on to food, employment etc.

I hope things are ok, but i do really wonder.

For the future, why should the US remain dominant, There was a time when the world was ruled by Greeks, then Italians, later the Spanish and Portguese, more recently the UK, for the future, I suspect China.

The dollar will fade from view other currencies will move into its place. but that will take a few more years than 5.

I doubt any great medical advances

! think the thing that will happen is a decent new computer interface. Keyboard and mouse is so shit,

Ipad / Ipod is getting there - and there are projected keyboards as well. Some sort of point and pull and poke interfacea long with decent speech regonition perhpas.

[i]Some sort of point and pull and poke interface.[/i]

Speed-dating? 😀

nah it will just be full of call centres where we will be providing tech support in urdu and mandarin to middle class asians who make fun of our accents

Haha.

[Upper Class English Accent]:"Good evening sir. My name is Vikram. How may I be of service today?"

Murdoch somehow in the House of Lords (yes I know, I know, but I am sure if a man of his errr, influence wants it badly enough it can be arranged....)

Also a whole load more people without landlines or 'home' broadband, and instead of phone, stereo, telly and computer they will have just an ipad/similar connected to a 'cloud' rather than having any data/music/dvd's stored/stuck at home.

I accept the need to criticise the current political regime, but how come so many of the current pessimists failed to notice that the Blair/Brown years did nothing to cure neighbourhoods like this:

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(Little Hulton)

and this:

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(an anonymous street in Salford)

For three years I lived in Salford because of work, and visited some of the most impoverished streets I have seen anywhere in the world (I did the same job in the Caribbean and Canada, with working time spent in Mexico and the Dominican Republic). Yet in all that time, Hazel Blears - cabinet member and MP for Salford - turned a blind eye to reality and carried on as if nothing was wrong.

How is that worse than what the condems will supposedly do?

For the future, why should the US remain dominant, There was a time when the world was ruled by Greeks, then Italians, later the Spanish and Portguese, more recently the UK, for the future, I suspect China.

I'd personally feel safer with the US being the dominant force.

Them there Yanks might be as mad as a bag of frogs, but I think a good percentage of the rest of the world are even more insane. The more stable lunatic in charge of the asylum for me ta.

i hope the ConDems have made an inroad into the debt brought about by 16 yrs of the Last Governments investments into buying votes,

TJ will have drawn an excellent dividend from his BP and Exxonmobil shares if he gets in there now 😉

I hope but seroiusly doubt racial tension will not have grown in the UK, had a disturbing chat with Libyan prior to coming home from Triploi this week and his wish for Islam and the UK were not what i expected from someone who holds a British passport.

(an anonymous street in Salford)

Which looks all boarded up and ready for redevelopment.

If it didn't happen, I would primarily blame the bankers for that.

If it isn't [i]going to[/i] happen now, then I would blame the Tories 60% cut in social housing budget for that.

Labour at not blameless. But some are more to blame than others.

saxonrider - Nice point and well made

It's happening already -can no one else see the flying car in the Salford photo?

IGMC

im serious about the call centre thing

with science and research and the universities taking the financial battering they are and the restrictions on foreign students/ workers one of the few things we lead the world in will have evapourated

pfizers decision to close their world leading facility in kent will devastate the area and add a kick in the nuts to uk science
pfizer obviously see the writing on the wall and are off to countries that are investing in reserach, ie the rest of the G8!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12344506

and strs anti islam posting would be hilarious if it hadnt annoyed me so much, i know i shouldnt bite it will just encourage him etc

and strs anti islam posting would be hilarious if it hadnt annoyed me so much, i know i shouldnt bite it will just encourage him etc

Why's that kimbers? Do you not see issues such as that as a problem, or do you want to bury your head in the sand like the rest of this country?

It wasn't an anti-islam post, it wasn't a post chastising anyone's skin colour, or place of birth.

It was a post relating to a worrying issue that will become more and more prevalent and if you think it wont, then you are deluded.

TandemJeremy - Member
Increased poverty, increased unemployment, decreased standard of living for everyone but the rich, increased waiting times for the NHS, increased homelessness, destroyed public services.

Politics isn't driven by ideology any more, its about who can manage the economy best. The only way to do that is to get elected, ConDems have done that. Does anybody think they will pursue policies that will result in TJ's predicted outcome and prevent themselves being elected again?

because 30 people and 5 placards isnt the great threat to the country the sun/mail/express/telegraph etc etc would have you believe

There'll be more violence in the streets, more political nonsense, more millionairs and even more paupers. On-One will release a steel singlespeed bike.

At current rate of population growth, polarisation of wealth, etc

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http://www.postcardsfromthefuture.co.uk/

Thanks for some good news ernie_lynch.

At bloody last. A cleaned up Croydon we can tolerate.

It wont go away and will only get worse kimbers.

These 'extremists' f'kin hate us, hate our freedom, yet want their own and want to take ours.

Islam is not a bad religion, but bad people choose to use it as an anti-British tool for hatred and destruction. Islam will continue to grow in this country and with it, so will the factions. One day we'll wake up and wonder what the **** happened.

What are your views on the introduction of the allowance of Sharia courts/law in this country? Shouldn't it be UK law, or nothing? Why on earth can people be allowed to bring their own course of justice to this country?

Or are you going to tell me they don't exist, or because they are few they dont matter?

Yeah, I can't stand all thse extremists, covering their faces and stuff.

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Funny, how they seem to embrace the Burka.

cbrsyd - Member
Politics isn't driven by ideology any more, its about who can manage the economy best. The only way to do that is to get elected, ConDems have done that. Does anybody think they will pursue policies that will result in TJ's predicted outcome and prevent themselves being elected again?

Actually its all about who can convince the electorate that they can manage the economy best. A con trick the tories have done well despite their appalling record of mismanagement. its clear the Conservatives are driven by an ideological hatred of public ownership - what other reason for the sell off of forests? Waht other #reason to break up the NHS and to privatise it - 'cos make no mistake thats what the policy is designed to do

Yep, they've got me scared Elfin - covering their faces and stuff (saying that, they are probably a right bunch of w***ers, but what are they protesting against?).

Unless you support what is depicted in my earlier post, then what argument do you actually have?

Did you see that EDL leader knob on Paxo was it last night? Could hardly string a coherent sentence together. Confused little bunch, aren't they?

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Erm....

Do you not see issues such as that as a problem, or do you want to bury your head in the sand like the rest of this country?

Like the rest of this country ? .......so its just you then ?

Personally I don't see a problem - why would my head be buried in the sand ?

This is my local mosque :

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I like. Not only is it quite a pretty building, but often park my car next to it if I go to the Mayday hospital opposite, I feel it will be safer next to a mosque which is attended by decent law-abiding people - and also I feel that one of the mosque users might intervene if they someone breaks into it. I'm not sure if that's totally logical, but I guess I tend to see Muslims in a fairly positive light. Maybe I should fear
them ?

And btw, a couple of years ago I mentioned to a local Muslim shopkeeper that I would very much like to look inside. He took me there the next Friday Prayers and I was shown around and talked to the imams - I had made it clear that I wasn't interested in becoming muslin, just wanted to learn a bit about the culture and religion. I spent over an hour in there and it was truly fascinating.

Are you really that much of a bigot str? Did some brown chap steal your sweets when you were a kid?

Really 🙄

Sharia law in the UK. Right.

Why on earth can people be allowed to bring their own course of justice to this country?

they can't. End of

FFS, I'd quite happily park my car next to a mosque - what's your point?

It's like the 3 wise monkeys on here.

There's no point making a point on here, when no-one will see your point in their excitement to call you a bigot.

Sharia law in the UK.

That's the one where they chop off your hand for stealing a car ?

Yeah alright, I'll have some of that.

Whats your point STR?