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sorry but that's far too Detectorists for me not to laugh
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zombies?!?!?
torygraph coverage bit more sensational....
FWIW I know of & have used several scintilation counters within 10 minute walk of litvinenkos hospital bed
From Wikipedia: "Alpha particles are a hugely ionizing form of particle radiation. When they result from radioactive alpha decay they have low penetration depth. In this case they can be absorbed by a few centimeters of air, or by the skin." It's not like they gave him a Po210 bath.
Remember folk, we turned Iraq into a smoking hole in the desert for less than this. They weren’t even caught with WMD, nevermind the fact that they never had the brass balls to use nerve agents on our population
Iraq was about lovely lovely oil, nothing to do with weapons.
Iraq was about lovely lovely oil, nothing to do with weapons
Hang on - I thought it was about human rights abuses and moral rectitude
It's a popular theme the thing about Iraq being about oil, but in reality (used to work for a global oil industry analysis and tracking system) the % of US oil imports from Iraq were miniscule back then (I think less than 5%) and dropped after the wars, have crept up a bit in last year or two but still tiny. There was no oil export frenzy in iraq after the wars. The persian gulf doesn't account for nearly as much of their oil imports as folk think, if they were going to invade anywhere for oil it'd be Canada or South America
@kimbers: I don’t doubt there are scint counters near hospitals, I assume they’d be used for swipe testing of areas where radiation therapy is used or prepared, and also in research areas.
However, Litvinenko wasn’t diagnosed until after a few weeks as a last resort they sent samples to Aldermaston for gamma testing. This of course came back (nearly) negative too, and it was only a chance conversion that suggested Po, which was then tested for and confirmed. All in here: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33678717
It’s a popular theme the thing about Iraq being about oil, but in reality (used to work for a global oil industry analysis and tracking system) the % of US oil imports from Iraq were miniscule back then (I think less than 5%) and dropped after the wars, have crept up a bit in last year or two but still tiny
I thought the (conspiracy? - if you like) theory was that it happened in order to open up a state monopoly to allow in US extraction companies - regardless of the oil's final destination ?
You only need picomoles
You only need picomoles
i think you’d notice him!
Oh FFS! Damn you Flashy!
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It's ironic that Picamoles is a big unit.
Police investigation will be spiked if it looks too likely to lead to Russian government.
We don’t have the clout anymore to do anything meaningful about it, so why stir the pot?
There will be a fudge, renegade elements will be blamed, the carpet will be replaced neatly over the top.
Britain. Know your place.
It’s ironic that Picamoles is a big unit.
You should see his brother, femtomoles
Police investigation will be spiked if it looks too likely to lead to Russian government.
We don’t have the clout anymore to do anything meaningful about it, so why stir the pot?
There will be a fudge, renegade elements will be blamed, the carpet will be replaced neatly over the top.
Britain. Know your place.
As if Russia, the economic dogturd that it is, has any clout.
As if Russia has any clout. This is a desperate act by Putin and one to try to sure up his popularity in Russia to show the Russian people he’s a strong leader and retain his support and stronghold over the Russian people. He’s trying to act like a global leader but making a hash of it and just isolating himself internationally and becoming the next Kim Jon un type of character.
britain dowsn’t Have to do anything about it. Just exposing it does all the damage. Put in doesn’t casre as he’s desperately trying to cling onto domestic power. Just like his pathetic announcement a few weeks ago about is ‘new generation of unstoppable nukes’.
Putin maybe posturing and full of filibuster, but the same happened back in the Cold War era and a whole industry (intelligence, information and weapons) was built around the perceived threat.
Thats enough right there.
Maybe we are on route to a new Cold War era..
re iraq oil monopoly, nope - most of the big operators in iraq aren't US -
BP, shell, petronas (malaysia), petrochina, lukoil (russia), eni (italy), CNOOC, CNPC (china), japex (japan), total (france) etc
out of over 20 operators only 2 are US
There's probably quite a few politicians dodgy offshore investments will rely on holdings in the London property bubble, which is helped kept afloat by a lot of Russian money..
Police investigation will be spiked if it looks too likely to lead to Russian government.
And you know this how, exactly? Seeing as how the investigation into Litvinyenko led directly to the Russian government, and to two specific individuals without the police investigation being ‘spiked’, as you call it, I think you’re stretching it to suggest that would happen in what has become such a high-profile case.
Especially now over 100 military specialists in NBC warfare have been drafted in.
most of the big operators in iraq aren’t US
But they're all using US service companies - Halliburton etc.
Russian state media are now warning ‘traitors’ about living in Britain:
In an apparent threat, Mr Kleymenov advised "traitors" against moving to Britain, adding: "Something is wrong there. Maybe it's the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there.
"People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities.”
If that isn’t a threat, showing that retribution will be exacted, regardless of where you choose to live, I don’t know what is!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/10/russian-state-tv-warns-traitors-dangers-living-britain/
I assume 007 has been briefed and is planning his next move? (After a Martini of course...)
Assuming this is a Russian spy hit, then at what point do we say that enough is enough and it's one thing to knock off your enemies but spreading super deadly poison around is too much?
Something is wrong there. Maybe it’s the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there.
He makes a valid point.
I assume that somewhere along the way the possibility's been eliminated that Skripal has been (mis)handling a British product removed from Porton Down, and that all along he's been a triple agent, infiltrated to this country, during a spy swap, as a sleeper?
Media reporting,21 plus staff treated in hospital, 2 ambulances seized for destruction,air ambulance on the list,restaurant closed down , graveyard closed,visitors to restaurant told to wash all clothes and all jewelry, and to clean mobile phones etc, and double bag all cleaning cloths, army on the streets, and huge police responce.
All to get back at russia, for whatever reason,going to be some red faces .
Hee hee, loving all the tub-thumping.
Russia may be a basket case and may not have masses of clout, but they’ve got a hell of a lot more say than Britain.
This is Putin saying “You and I both know, Theresa, that you can’t do anything about this kind of stuff. Unless you play along with me, I won’t help you keep up the illusion”.
A couple of diplomats might get ‘expelled’ and then quietly replaced a couple of months later.
This was our local "event" involving a jellycopter.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/4503383.Was_Portland_based_lawyer_murdered_by_Russians_/
Salisbury Onesie..
Diners at Zizi advised to “wash their clothes”, well that’s alright then. Everything will be hunky dory after a good wash. 40 or 60 degree programme ?
Well, all the mil do is put fuller’s earth on it 😆 Washing it away is diluting it down to ineffective. Over to the homeopathy thread....
Our reaction to this will be pathetic as we need Putin's gas.
According to British Gas only about 12 percent comes from Russia.
visitors to restaurant told to wash all clothes and all jewelry, and to clean mobile phones etc, and double bag all cleaning cloths
Excellent advice if you ask me- encourage anyone who’s concerned their possessions might have been contaminated to thoughly handle all the potentially contaminated items
According to British Gas only about 12 percent comes from Russia.
12 percent is ‘a lot’.
It's turned into one of the more impressive dead cats, it has to be said.
Still doing decom a week after the agent was released? Spare me the bs. They know we know who did it, what they used and why. Everything since has been ramped up into full public panic mode. And why was a DS the first on the scene? Coincidence?
Last week personnel were in NBC suits. This week they're in pressurized suits. It's a bit late for that.
12 percent is ‘a lot’.
But not enough that we couldn't cut it out if we were willling to pay a small price for sovereignty. Brexit will cost more FFS. I would be happy to have less in return for isolating the Russians.
Russian presidential elections soon. How could this event affect that?
It was Litvenenko’s wife who forced the previous investigation.
T. May did her best to stop it happening and then made sure nothing came of it despite the clear evidence.
Tories and tories friends get too much money from Russians to do anything.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/19/theresa-may-alexander-litvinenko-inquiry
Weak and wobbly May has blood on her hands, why is the media not holding her to account for creating an atmosphere where the Russians thought that they could get away with this? I love that it is the "remoaners" who are traitors to the country.
naaah.
I call bullshit.
Spys and Russians and poison?
The narrative is way too obviously aimed at little boys who grew up in the 50s and 60s.
Probably a dodgy deal gone catastrophically wrong or even just a flamboyant suicide, but the propaganda machine has leapt on the chance to feed us a rendering that suits it's agenda
Jivehoneyjive? Is that you?
You rang...
Well, it's certainly convenient timing to deflect media attention from the Saudi visit and the continuation of Al Yamamah, slush fund n all, along with the floating of Aramco (arranged via HSBC)
Hats off mind, whoever's behind it, it's a bloody good psy-op...
Reminds me of Tim Bell (who played a key role in the election of Margaret Thatcher)...
Lord Bell, a friend of Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky, handled the media attention behind poisoned Russian ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko
He and his company, Bell Pottinger were also involved in propaganda during the Iraq war:
The Pentagon gave a controversial UK PR firm over half a billion dollars to run a top secret propaganda programme during the Iraq war, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism can reveal.
Bell Pottinger's former chairman Lord Tim Bell confirmed to the Sunday Times, which worked with the Bureau on this story, that his firm had worked on a “covert” military operation “covered by various secrecy agreements.”
Bell Pottinger reported to the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Security Council on its work in Iraq, he said.
In December 2006 Lord Bell successfully lobbied on behalf of the Saudi government to discontinue the Serious Fraud Office investigation into alleged bribes in the Al Yamamah arms deal.
More recently:
Jolyon Welsh, whose roles at the FCO have included Deputy Director of Middle East, and Head of Government to Government Contracting, was given special unpaid leave in 2014 to become a senior director of Consulum. This London and Middle East-based communications firm was founded by former executives from the scandal-hit agency Bell Pottinger. He has remained there ever since.
Still, no doubt the the incident in Salisbury is doing much for Amber Rudd's reputation...
Thank goodness for all the experts at Porton Down!!
OMG, Parliament has now been cordoned off!!
Apologies for Sun link, but they seemed to be the 1st to provide news on such a worrying affront to Her Majesty's Government and our democracy
The only sensible thing to do is a full scale thermonuclear attack on Russian civilians (and everything east of Israel for good measure)... if you're gonna commit to trident, commit to it properly I say.
Have they found some white powder?
Pretty sure that they will find plenty more if they look a little harder...
Well that’s a turn up for the books, Russian nerve agent, who would have thought it
Could be interesting times ahead. For once Mrs May appeared to be saying all the right things
Has she sent Boris over to give that Putin lad a darn good thrashing yet?
It's encouraging to see that Western Democratic culture is still healthy enough to allow the spirit of Stalin's '''useful idiots' to still be voicing it's sad little tediums, as so well evidenced by some of the posts by the likes of jhj and others in this thread.
Also, having watched the presentation in the commons, fortunate that there is no modern Neville Chamberlain currently trying to woo today's Hitlerian bully.
Is it just me or was JC's response just totally pathetic?
My sister, who lives in Ford, says that Sainsbury's has been closed off...
Do we get a red alert, just like last week's weather?
Someone warm up the Vulcan bombers....
Stalin didn't use the "useful idiots" term - it is often (wrongly) attributed to Lenin.
Just, you know, before you call other people idiots
Do we get a red alert, just like last week’s weather?
Someone warm up the Vulcan bombers….
Sainsbury's would be more orange and violet, no? And seeing, and indeed hearing, Vulcans in the sky would probably make more of Britain happy than any news of late...
My sister, who lives in Ford
*wonder if I've met her.... 🙂 *
As before, if you want to follow the news in Salisbury, the best place is http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk
(Pictures Count Zero as a blustering old colonel, with a gammy leg, a well polished monocle and a greying waxed moustache that adds theatric poise every time he speaks... (LOUDLY (Through his arse)))
Tell you what though, it's bloody good of those Ruskies to dabble in chemical weapons just as another attempt at pushing the old faithful chemical weapons in Syria narrative is in progress.
There again, Her Majesty's Chemical Weapons experts helped with Saddam's arsenal...
Then there's the small matter of Thatcher wanting to threaten Iraq with Chemical Weapons
Of course, that would never happen again, after all, Her Majesty's Government has a different head of state now, doesn't it?
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So... also attributed to Stalin.
Some idiots. Useful.
Smartarse.
Oops, in all the excitement, I actually meant Mr Woppit, but that name goes more with a tired old historian, with a moth eaten tank top, who stinks of pipe smoke, with stained teeth, thumbs and mad staring bloodshot eyes, magnified by his thick horn rimmed spectacles. His nasal hair is quite something.
The right arm of his armchair is collapsed due to his propensity to bash it with thunderous force each time he makes a point, celebrating the good old days of bayonets, blunderbus and the colonies.
The acrid stench of tobacco is further amplified by the unmistakeable tinge of urine.
Plenty of Red (alert) corduroy trousers in Salisbury.
As for Russian money I think you’ll find the majority given to the Tories comes from those opposed to Putin. If you are a Putin supporter you are living in Russia and doing very nicely.
Corbyn got it wrong today, plenty of Labour critism of his responce pkus the obvious history of him cosying up to Russia and the “communists”
Of course, we could just replace wars with forum abuse, but it wouldn't do much good for the arms trades of any of the nations involved, whose rulers regardless of nationality, religion or ethnicity all bear culpability for inhumane acts and the continued escalation of conflict in their strategic and economic interests, whilst playing political pantomime to engage and confuse the masses.
Ted Heath lived in Salisbury .
Makes you think ....*
*About irrelevant waffling conspiracy loonbaggery drifting off from the topic.
It's terrible innit our politicians and diplomats mucking it right up. It's crazy. Particularly when they could just come and ask you lads. ItdI get sorted quick enough then. I tells ye
My sister, who lives in Ford
The one near Tiddlywink ?
After Gotham it's one of my favourite place names
Still not as good as Wetwang...
I was also giggling at some of todays place names I drove past - Chipping Sodbury for a start...
matt - Sodding Chipbury as it's less than affectionately named by some of the locals.........
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Oh. The ironing.
Tillerson seems on board. The Orange Buffoon continues to avoid criticising anything Russian, for some strange reason...
Perhaps our resident Tinfoil Crash Helmet could explain why.
My sister, who lives in Ford, says that Sainsbury’s has been closed off…
They have run out of washing powder and baby wipes.
I’m still waiting for an answer from MsRudd about the previous 14 incidents like this that the police were told to stop investigating..
And BloHards brother has links to the large Russian Investment Banks..
Of course, we could just replace wars with forum abuse,
I think on balance, that would be preferable
How about that secret donation to the DUP ?
any links at all ?
the comments on the dialy fail on this story are priceless, we need a new game russian bot or not 🙂
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Not as bad as the EU dumping all their dross on British soil. How many....r a p i s t s....murderers and violent criminals have come from EU countries and committed CRIMES in England??
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If truth be known I wouldn't be surprised if the German run EU was behind all of this.
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Sorry Theresa, don't believe a word of it, all a distraction. How about this level of outrage and media attention for Telford and the thousands of poor children.
If the Russian politician(properly swivelled eyed type) on R4 a moment ago is representative of that countries leadership we better get ready for a bumpy ride.
If you are a Putin supporter you are living in Russia and doing very nicely.
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If the Russian politician(properly swivelled eyed type) on R4 a moment ago
Swivelled eyed, you say?
So jhj is a Russian politician! ...... or..... is he?
Damn, rumbled... after all the work I've put in through the years, it was kinda inevitable that Woppit would be my undoing.
Chapeau sir, as you folks with english as a 1st language say
Underwhelming passive-aggressive tactic.
Doesn't make you seem any less ridiculous.