[Closed] What newspaper and why?

None, most of them are crap.

i - The Independent without too much of the crap that I wouldn't be reading anyway.

what are newspapers?

I generally read a selection of stuff via the internet covering all bases except the mail and paywall papers (Times/Telegraph/Sun)

throw in the rest of the world news gatherers it works for me, we also don't have a fire to light so don't really need the paper

Viz

Private Eye.

Newspapers!!! 😆

Don't forget to close the privy door...

The Guardian. Because I absolutely despise the Tories with every fibre of my being, and I like my news reporting to reflect that

The Mail as it's not full of all that left wing rubbish.

Guardian here too.

My father spent his life reading either the Times or the Telegraph because he earnestly believed everyone should read a paper that challenges your beliefs rather than just confirms them. Hence natural Daily mail readers are made even less intolerant by continuing to read the Daily Mail. It's a tactic I've always respected but never had the patience for personally.

Whatever free rag is around if my boots are wet.

convert, I like that approach you know.

Me, The Metro as it is free on the train, though I'm not sure that counts as a real newspaper, more a free comic. If I ever buy a paper it'll be i generally, I think the Guardian and the Telegraph (plus many others) are as bad as each other.

Guardian because it is free although the left wing bias and Tory bashing gets tedious. Get some articles from the telegraph, Google,BBC, Newcastle chronicle and stw.

Dewsbury Reporter if I happen to be in the pub on a Friday.

The Times - always read papers that challenge your politics rather than reinforce them

The Guardian (website plus I'll buy it at the weekend) - force of habit really although the sports coverage is excellent. NW roots make it the best football paper by a mile - Andy Hunter knows the score. Good cryptic crossword, although that's balanced by the unacceptable absence of a bridge column.

Don't mind Toynbee-style leftist articles as that is the heritage of the paper. It's disappointing to see a cabbage like George Monbiot, however, given a voice in a serious newspaper.

It's clearly trying to position itself as the global left-wing news organisation - loads of US and Australian stuff on their website over the past year. They squeezed every last drop out of the Snowdon stuff, ran it to death on a daily basis. Can't argue with their recent track record though, broke some massive stories. Alan Rusbridger closed down the News of the World almost single-handedly.

None. I despise the fact that people can present the news with any political bias. That and the fact the information us about twelve hours out of date. BBC website is tolerable, but even that is obsessed with certain themes.

i
There's free papers at work, either i, Daily Mail or the FT so I go for the only normal one!

I like to read the sun actually while I munch a sandwich, I treat it more as a sort of comic though rather than serious journalism.

The Telegraph (iPad edition).

Why? Because I've continued to receive it for free eight months after the free trial ended.

The Week.

Provides a good spread and opinion from rags around the world. Helps avoid a left or right bias and provides variety in the analysis and opinion.

Edit - and I don't have the time to read a news paper daily. I read it over the course of a week and also get news daily from the web

RSS feeds from most of the free online papers via feedly. I tend to read the Guardian more though I think their journalistic standards have slipped considerably and there's a lot more Daily Mail (but for lefties) style pseudo-trolling editorials.

I get the Mail's RSS feeds too though and it really is a despicable cesspit.

Guardian on a Saturday for the typos, idiot's crossword, tv guide and Tim Dowling
Telegraph for [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/ ]Matt[/url]

Used to read the Guardian and the Telegraph online, sadly the Telegraph's now hidden behind a paywall.

But mostly it's BBC News and Hacker News.

Any good news aggregators that people use (like Hacker News)?

I'm with CaptainSlow. I quite like The Week, in the same way I like Euronews on TV.

I just want to be told what's happening, without any editorial commentary.

Used to read the Guardian and the Telegraph online, sadly the Telegraph's now hidden behind a paywall.

Use a proxy. eg

www.hidemyass.com

Just type in the front page address then carry on as normal.

find a few bloggers who write on topics you are interested in, and follow the world through that lens. You will be far better informed.

newspapers and increasingly broadcasters are sources of disinformation, not information.

I just want to be told what's happening, without any editorial commentary.

I see that as a bit naive. Even if you view the BBC as reporting events in an unbiased way, editorial commentary still takes place in deciding what stories to run, what time to give them etc etc. You can make the world seem a very different place just by making those decisions. In general though the more dumbed down you take your news, the more bias it seems to be in its simplification. It depresses me whenever I hear the Radio 1 news headlines - if that is how half the population gets its news, over simplified to the point of parody, its a sad state of affairs.

Even if you view the BBC as reporting events in an unbiased way, editorial commentary still takes place in deciding what stories to run, what time to give them etc etc.

If you can stomach the Telegraph comments section it's clear that at least part of the population believes the BBC is massively biased...

Those very people don't just believe that the BBC is biased. What they actually think is that its run by either Marxists, or a gay mafia, and it needs to be sold off immediately to allow more room for the kind of balanced and unbiased reporting so nobly demonstrated by Fox News in America

FT for political and economic news.

Those very people don't just believe that the BBC is biased. What they actually think is that its run by either Marxists, or a gay mafia, and it needs to be sold off immediately to allow more room for the kind of balanced and unbiased reporting so nobly demonstrated by Fox News in America

They might be right about the marxist gay mafia bit, though 🙂

convert - Member
Even if you view the BBC as reporting events in an unbiased way, editorial commentary still takes place in deciding what stories to run, what time to give them etc etc. You can make the world seem a very different place just by making those decisions.

Indeed. As the lack of coverage of 50k people protesting in Manchester over the weekend shows. What really narks me about BBC news is the political process stories (Nick Robinson - we get it, you've got lots of mates in Parliament who tell you what is going on, but we don't care, analyse the policy!) and pre-briefing (when you're given half a story by the government they do that because they know you can't properly analyse it without knowing the full details, stop letting them do that, wait for the full announcement).

The BBC is blatantly biased, its biased because it is staffed mainly with left leaning liberal folk, thats because leftie libs are far more creative and are therefore drawn to such an organisation, if it was the other way around then it would be really rubbish !
I am not a leftie liberal but I do acknowledge the fact that they are generally more artistically creative with regard to televisual production.the news and current event programmes are nearly all left leaning, if you cannot see this then its probably because you are a leftie liberal yourself.
If you are not a leftie liberal and get annoyed at the BBCs bias then you need to get a life once you get your life learn to think.............. or get out on your bike more

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Those very people don't just believe that the BBC is biased.

It certainly is biased.

In favour of Israel.

FT
Daily Mash
Register
Al Jazeera

Don't read any paper news these days.

@CaptJon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-24286582

Ah yes, I forgot that bit... its run by a [i]zionist[/i], Marxist gay mafia 😀

The BBC is blatantly biased, its biased because it is staffed mainly with left leaning liberal folk

Its chief political editor is a conservative.

[url= http://labourlist.org/2013/09/burnham-writes-to-bbc-over-lack-of-coverage-for-nhs-march-and-rally/ ]One much loved British institution censors itself, and doesn't cover protests at the privatisation of another much loved British institution, for fear of privatisation itself[/url]

online
guardian-can be preachy and hypocritical and monbiot.... but overall its anti tory bias pleases me and the live blogs are probably the best source of breaking news around
bbc, probably the most balanced but it can be very dumbed down sometimes
telegrpah- if thepaywall thing isnt blocking- tho some of the comments wind me up, really nasty stuff,
independent- not bad but dont update their stories enough,
bits of ft, cnn, al jazeera

paper
occasionally the guardian at the weekends or i in the week
metro is dire

I dont often get a paper because they're all full of the same stuff anyway and its always bad news that makes you despair about most things! If I do then its the I as its cheap and not too big.

Can't beat the Morning Star, Weekly Worker, Socialist Worker and Workers Hammer for a bit of Tory hating.

For actual news, I tend to rely on Newsthump and the Daily Mash.

and the Daily Mash.

The Daily Mash is only vaguely funny if you are well versed in the 'real' news story from which theirs is twisted. So you must be getting the real news from somewhere.

So you must be getting the real news from somewhere.

facebook and twitter all tend to filter news pretty well, rather than use a single news source.

Guardian. Used to get it delivered every day, then the local newsagent stopped doing paper rounds, then it closed. We now have yet another Chicken Cottage shop in it's place....

At weekends, we buy the Sunday Times just to see what the enemy is up to....

Paper newspapers are only useful to line bin with to mop up teabag juices before the bin can go skanky, fill the recycling bin, and use to protect floor etc. when doing bike maintenance in the kitchen.

Online - just BBC News and the Register.
I refuse to click on any Guardian or Daily Mail link out of principle.

The BBC is blatantly biased, its biased because it is staffed mainly with left leaning liberal folk

Its chief political editor is a conservative.

One so far, I dont know about Nick Robinson seems to me to be more of a toady to the tories, if he is a card carrying conservative I would be surprised.

Andy - I can understand not clicking on the Mail on general principle, its a truly vile rag, but what principles do the Guardian violate? Apart from allowing George Monbiot room to spout off, which I think we can all object too

One so far, I dont know about Nick Robinson seems to me to be more of a toady to the tories, if he is a card carrying conservative I would be surprised.

He's the political editor for BBC news, was president of the Conservative association when he was at Oxford, and chair of the young Conservatives.

He's the political editor for BBC news, was president of the Conservative association when he was at Oxford, and chair of the young Conservatives.

Conclusive proof he's a Marxist, leftwing, hand wringing liberal if ever I saw it.

Conclusive proof he's a Marxist, leftwing, hand wringing [i][b]zionist[/b][/i] liberal if ever I saw it.

FTFY

Actually it was Facebook and Guardian conspiring to foist a political bias on their users with their seamless sharing (ie spam my feed). Think they fixed that feature eventually. But I knew not just the stories that people shared but every single Guardian story that friends had read. Which was quite a significant number.

Mail of course needs no explanation.

I started reading the Guardian on a Monday, Thursday and Saturday for the longer reports of football matches and the cricket. Monday had media jobs which have given me two jobs in my career, Thursday was films and technology/computing. They moved films to Friday and technology is everywhere and football is on every night and even Test cricket starts on a Wednesday some weeks, so I mostly read the web: BBC, Guardian, PCPro, The Register and Singletrackworld.

Local paper for me..
Reading the nationals marks you out as a person of low intelligence with little imagination IMO..

They are full of pretentious pseudo intellectual nonsense at best

Local news is mostly death, rape, murders, arson, or at least was when I lived back in UK.

Fortunately round here the local rag delivery kids don't understand the native language, and can't understand the "no newspapers / no advertising bumpf" sticker on the letter box, so they do give me a steady supply of teabag juice and bike lube absorption material.

was president of the Conservative association when he was at Oxford, and chair of the young Conservatives

So without doing any deep research into the bloke I can only assume that his political allegiance is towards the wealthy and the priviledged, the point I am trying to make is that the people on the ground at the BBC are in the main of a left liberal political outlook, of course there will be individual cases were this does not always apply, is it still the case that the only paper used to advertise jobs at the beeb is the Grunadia ?

is it still the case that the only paper used to advertise jobs at the beeb is the Grunadia ?

No idea, but the Guardian was the only place that loads of media jobs were advertised - even for right-wing papers.

Their media supplement was the market leader once the Press Gazette had withered away.

My old journeyman once said " You are what you read son " and he handed me The Guardian . This was amongst a crowd of blokes reading the Express,Mail and Daily Record .

I have been brainwashed ever since, thanks George 🙂

So without doing any deep research into the bloke I can only assume that his political allegiance is towards the wealthy and the priviledged, the point I am trying to make is that the people on the ground at the BBC are in the main of a left liberal political outlook, of course there will be individual cases were this does not always apply, is it still the case that the only paper used to advertise jobs at the beeb is the Grunadia ?

And my point is that the person in charge of the political commentary on prime time BBC news is a conservative. If the BBC is full of lefty liberals, how did he get the gig?

Morning via iPad versions: FT first (economics, markets, politics - love the polite version of STW that accompanies anything that Wolfgang Munchau writes about Europe, especially the weekly WM v thegreektaxpayer!), Times for news, Torygraph for sport and cryptic crossword (not clever enough for the Times version), Guardian for news and comment and v occassionally The Indie (to read friend's articles),

Then the NS v Spectator - always fun to see how they tackle the same issues - and The Economist. The latter always fills me with a guilt trip as feel that should read it all but never do!!!! Read the bits I am interested in on Friday, leave the rest!

Quite like the BBC and great shame that Stephaine Flanders is jumping to JP Morgan asset management. 🙁

I think newspapers generally represent phenomenal VFM - just a pity there isn't more time to read them.

Google Currents on my Nexus 10. Generally the newspapers over here are crap.

Funny , my mum reads the Mail and from stuff I've read on here I give her such a hard time about it now! Don't really read any paper everyday, although I buy the "i" a couple of times a week as its cheap!

And my point is that the person in charge of the political commentary on prime time BBC news is a conservative. If the BBC is full of lefty liberals, how did he get the gig?

Well does his brief from the BBC mean that all other commentary should follow his lead if so the you are saying that the BBC could be classed as an authoritarian institution more in keeping with a leftist organisation.

It may be because they like him and he ticks the required boxes, his political views cannot change what happens politically only the spin on how he interpretates it for reporting, cameron claims also to be a conservative when in fact he is a wealthy, priviledged liberal without any real idea or care how the real people of this country live.

Moving on from Robinson do you have any more examples of conservatives at the Beeb ?

the point I am trying to make is that the people on the ground at the BBC are in the main of a left liberal political outlook

That's a reflection of journalism as a profession rather than the BBC. Journalists, compared to the general population, have a tendency to hold left-wing views, including those who work on publications which have a right-wing editorial policy. There are plenty of people who hold left-wing views that work for ITN, despite the fact that ITN bashing isn't remotely as popular as BBC bashing.

IME working people who are well informed of the facts behind an argument, which you would expect journalists to be, have a tendency to be more left-wing in their conclusions than those who are ill-informed.

Daily Telegraph
Observer
Sunday Sport 😉

i/Telegraph/Guardian during the week, depending on whether I want to know what the enemy is thinking or just want my prejudices reinforced.

Telegraph on Saturday, mostly for the GK Crossword, Motoring and Sport sections, Observer on a Sunday.

None of them are what they were - the Telegraph is a shadow of it's former self and the Guardian is like the Beano for sixth formers.

I used to get the Guardian every day...it's standards have dropped a lot since them. Telegraph is now a broadsheet Daily Mail.I find the Times a bit dull. Newspapers have now been replaced with Internet and R4.

Financial times.
BBC website but the reporting is often a bit hit and miss on anything less than the major national and international stuff.
Local papers too.

Decent NewYorker article here about the Guardian / Rusbridger and how they're coping with being a global brand that is losing money hand over fist:

[url= http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/10/07/131007fa_fact_auletta?currentPage=1 ]Linky[/url]

Long, but worth a read if you're a Guardian person.