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It's funny times for sure, but the selfishness of the human still astounds me.
Me and the other half are never any bother to anyone and i would be mortified if someone was including me in a post like this.....with the slackening of 'lockdown'since Monday, guess what, the ubiquitous litter is starting to appear again on the grass verges. It's been all over the news (and pretty much every medium you can think of!) about the mess people are leaving...in fact you have to try bloody hard not to know about the state of parks and beaches after the weekend!!
I've just been out on the bike and there's cartons of fruit juice, plastic sandwich wrappers.... There's a good family a few doors down from us and the parents are out collecting litter which is fantastic, but they shouldnt be doing that in the first place! It really flips me off! It's something i've never done and don't understand why the perpetrators think its acceptable? Christ knows what else they consider to be normal behaviour.
Fast food outlets are opening and there stuff is starting to appear on the floor again.
We're an effin stupid species sometimes....
Wouldn't be the first time I've questioned whether this species actually deserves to survive this pandemic.
Hyper-capitalism by design breeds hyper-individualism into society. I’m all right jack. The previous brake in our guilt-based society was religion which we’ve now shaken off, but failed to replace it with another framework which it seems humans need in order to work. We’re never going to use the shame system that other groups use, so we’ll have to think of another.
I could happily crank up the Panzer!! 🙂
I was in Tokyo in January, a place I've been a few times over the last 15 years or so, you could eat your dinner of the pavements there. In fact I can't recall a single country I've been to where I've seen litter like you do here.
People are mostly horrible.
Similar to avdave2, I work & spend most of my time in Switzerland, the place is spotless.
Last summer my wife & I were sat on the Rhine, having a couple of drinks, as were many others, when a young lad rolled his empty beer can into the river.
At least five people got up from where they were sitting, approached him & told him exactly what they thought of him. He looked rightly embarrassed, apologised & made attempts to fish it out.
It's what children learn from their peers.
As with many of the human problems, it's learnt behaviour but like you, I find it infuriating & can't get my head around why people think its ok to do it.
Mostly McDonald's chucked out the window as they drive off scumbags, on another note others that boil my piss are folk with chipped drives and their 4x4 motors that pick up stones and drop on to the road loads of them. Why not give it a brush from time to time, manicured gardens, new cars and new flash houses but disregard anyone on a road bike
I was in Tokyo in January, a place I’ve been a few times over the last 15 years or so, you could eat your dinner of the pavements there. In fact I can’t recall a single country I’ve been to where I’ve seen litter like you do here.
This. So much this.
My second son was 5 years old when we first took him to Germany. While walking down the road in a German town along the Rhine, we asked him and his older brother what they liked best about our holiday to that point. My 5-year old said, almost without hesitating, 'There's no glass on the ground'.
The question is: Why TF is it so bad here? In all the places on planet earth I have visited or lived, I have never seen anything like this one for litter. It's like an act of collective self-loathing.
____ing idiots, the lot.
It's a British disease sadly. You can always spot where the Brits have been when abroad as they'll leave rubbish everywhere regardless of whether it's a park, beach or beauty spot.
Like Onzadog I've sort of been hopping the virus would weed out the ones who have little regard for their surroundings but sadly we'll have to wait for another pandemic to do that.
Pig ignorant scruffy tramps is all they are, love (hate) to see their houses.
Don't kick me off about McDonalds & all their crap that gets strewn around the countryside, I couldn't give a toss if they never opened again, the country would be a tidier place. Except it wouldn't cos the dirty rags would still chuck stuff.
It all dates from the Thatcher years. All street bins were removed during the IRA bombing campaign and that along with "no such thing as society" and the rest of the selfishness means two generations have grown up discarding rubbish
It's about "sticking it to the man" and "one life, live it" and other such crap
Ultimately it's selfishness, and an immaturity. They don't want to deal with their own mess, someone else can do that.
It all dates from the Thatcher years. All street bins were removed during the IRA bombing campaign and that along with “no such thing as society”
No litter before Thatcher? Really?
Most people aren't deliberately malicious, they just don't think about it. The same way as they just leave their stuff behind in McDonalds, they do the same thing in the park or on the riverbank. No-one's explained otherwise.
Don't under-estimate the ability of the human brain to ignore things. People need to be taught - just like racism or voting Tory.
Drives me mental, I've given people their rubbish back a few times when I've seen them drop it. A bit Victor Meldew I suppose.
Aaaaah, I feel at home in this thread. I always come back from a local ride with my outer pocket stuffed with cans and bottles.
It's really depressing mate, I cannot fathom how people who breathe the same air as me, let alone my fellow countrymen act like this. Sometimes if I see a McDonald's bag on the side of the road I've tried to convince myself that it's accidently fallen out of an open window or blown out off a full bin. But then, no, I grudgingly have to accept that some scruffy bastard has just thrown it out of a moving car window.
I could just as easily get in the mind of Pol Pot, seriously
Anyway that reminds me of 'holiday in cambodia' altogether now 'Pol Pot!'
Isn't it half the problem that people clear up after others?
Lots of posts on the Pentlands Facebook group about people finding litter from others' picnics, bbqs and camping then clearing it up.
If people know someone will clear up after them then that's a reason not to bother themselves.
Littering and dog fouling proper grind my gears.
My wife covered littering in her Environmental Health Masters.
Some random stuff I remember from it:-
‘Commons dilemma’ - the conflict an individual experiences when weighing up the benefits to the individual (in this case easier to discard litter than take it home) versus the benefits to the wider society (place tidy for everyone).
‘Broken Windows Theory’ - when somewhere is already littered, littering rates increase because people just think “funk it it’s a tip anyway”.
‘Nudge theory’ - fining and authoritarian messages to reduce littering
work less well than education and positive encouragement.
Demographic most likely to litter are teenage and twenties males.
Stuff like this needs covering in Primary Schools (if it’s not already?)
Stu
I agree, Switzerland is clean. Even if a house is in need of repair and looking a bit shabby, you can bet the front step is swept. Is it an oppressive place to live though? (I'd rather have social pressure to conform than litter, for the record).
Not just GB with litter. Even been to Greece and seen the municipal bins overflowing? I.e. the ones the residents use, not the tourists. Take it home if it's full. Hardly any recycling on the islands. I remember a trip to Cyprus, driving up into the mountains and seeing the valleys filled with people's shite where they had driven up and tipped their household rubbish directly off the road.
As has been mentioned previously, printing licence plates on drive through wrappers should be a requirement.
Nuke us all from orbit.
It's not just Brits - it's just as bad in the US and Australia.
Japan and S. Korea are amazingly clean and tidy, but Thai people seem to have a similar attitude to litter as some British ... just lob it over the side of a boat or out of a window.
I believe a good proportion is done specifically because they know someone else will reduce themselves to picking it up. These people know they are scum and revel in it. The guy who throws his kebab out of the car window is a “legend” to his peers. His couldn’t GAS attitude is the only thing that makes him relevant.
I started a thread on here about being able to issue an invoice to McDickheads and Costacock for my time and energy I expend picking up and correctly disposing of their rubbish. I know a customer buys it but I see it as the original suppliers problem in that they don't issue enough information/guidance on how to dispose of it.
Monster drinks are another source of annoyance - I'll give a million quid to someone with evidence of an empty monster can in a litter bin. They don't even have the keep Britain tidy/dispose correctly logo on their cans so it's no wonder ****s litter them everywhere
Big and daft - a lot less. removal of the bins taught a generation to just drop rubbish
many other factors as well but this was one for sure
I haven't read the whole thread but I would like to put out a BIG THANK YOU to the Southampton Bike Park users who have been keeping it clear. We have the last remaining litter bin in the sports centre BECAUSE WE USE IT and we don't leave litter lying around like the cricket and football pitches.
There are good people out there and they are us!
His couldn’t GAS attitude is the only thing that makes him relevant.
Pretty sad really don't you think?
Garbage in garbage out.
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but yeah. dunno. wtf is the matter with people.
Disposable BBQ's piss me off. Utterly chavvy devices which litter beauty spots and cause numerous fires.
There is so much wrong with this country; if I was 20 years younger I would be emigrating.
A shit-hole populated by increasing numbers of chavs.
McDonalds are re-opening drive-thru near me tomorrow; cars will be queueing from both directions, blocking passing traffic, obstructing the cycle lane.
For what? A fix of greasy mechanically reclaimed chicken slurry with all the fries you can throw out of your car window.
Littergeddon - coming to you courtesy of ignorant peasants who would be better off dead.
Councils should ban any further take-aways of any kind.
TJAGAIN........ wtaf???
So the scumbags who left rubbish at Durdle Door the other day did so because Gerry Adams made Maggie Thatcher remove all the bins in Dorset?
I thought that all bins were replaced under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement in 1999.
I could be wrong. But then again, I haven't "BEEN ON A COURSE" recently.
I’ll hold my hand up here to say that I actively leave litter on the floor at railway stations as there are no bins and the ones on the trains are very often full.
Also regarding fast food, greasey packaging and leaking cups from the ice melting I can’t exactly put that in my pocket, unless I have a plastic bag pre prepared with me, which I don’t as if I was about about planning I wouldn’t be eating fast food.
There is often an attitude that it’s your fault, you bought some fast food, so it’s your problem on what to do with the rubbish from it, so people respond with ‘No don’t make it my problem, I’ll make it yours’.
In the case of railway stations they are all too happy to have shops take my money, but won’t use that money to provide the service of a bin.
I didn’t get why all my local bins in the street were taped up yet I still had to pay the same amount of council tax, hang on you aren’t doing your job, yet I still have to pay.
It’s all the same attitude, everyone is happy to take your money, but you can’t ask for a service.
Actually provide bins/toilets in popular areas, then and only then quadruple the fines as the people littering are consciously being knobs. But not before.
The current attitude is ‘how dare you come to the countryside, it’s covid 19 not a holiday, enjoying yourselves, bastards, we’ll put a stop to that, no bins, no toilets, no car parks **** you, don’t come here, you’re not welcome’ so people respond with ‘**** you too’
‘Nudge theory’ – fining and authoritarian messages to reduce littering
work less well than education and positive encouragement.
they’d disagree with that in Singapore and muckytee, go to Singapore. In the meantime take care of your own litter, or are you too helpless?
The worst littering I've ever seen was in northern (Turkish) Cyprus. People just seemed to lob their shit everywhere and expect the LA to clean it up! Public BBQ areas (all over the place) with billowing smoke (not an exaggeration) and rubbish everywhere. Yet law and order, particularly robbery, theft and burglary is a relatively small issue, nothing like the UK!
Hardly ever saw anyone walking the streets, except in town centres. When walking about out of town and in the mountains, not a soul to be seen apart from goats! People in vehicles constantly stopped to offer a lift, something I've never experienced here or anywhere else TBH.
Muckytee wtaf? 😳😡
The shit everywhere makes a little more sense now you point out that you've paid to drop it...
In the late 80's I had a saturday job at McD's. Everyone did 1 hr of litter picking outside. If you didn't come back with a full bag, they would send you back out. I am not sure if they still operate like this.
So I still feel that part of the responsibility lies with the retailers.
No excuses though.
Hyper-capitalism by design breeds hyper-individualism into society. I’m all right jack. The previous brake in our guilt-based society was religion which we’ve now shaken off, but failed to replace it with another framework which it seems humans need in order to work.
Muckytee - how about thinking one step further and not buying the fast food in the first place, because you know you’ll be unable to dispose of the litter? I’m sure that when you’ve gone hungry a few times, you’ll soon learn to adapt your behaviour and carry a bag to allow you to dispose of your litter when you find a bin, or get home.
Muckytee gets minus one kudos from me for bumbling through life expecting others to lay on facilities to make up for his lack of forward planning. It’s not hard to take care of your crap until it can be responsibly disposed of. Bins everywhere bring their own issues not least who pays, but also increases the expectation that you should be able to dump stuff at any time of your choosing. I know at Gisburn the PMBA have resisted bins as it’s a remote location making refuse collection infrequent and expensive, and if you can get it there you can take it away.* On a busy day if the bins are filled people then think it’s right to pile stuff next to and around it but this can create a worse litter problem. In summary no bin does not equal right to litter.
* as people have taken to leaving their rubbish in the toilets, as they can’t be seen doing it (probably with the 'well they should lay on bins' rational) bags have been placed behind toilet doors. I’m not sure this is progress but resignation…
Seen a recent FB post from one of the Scottish islands. There assumption was that all the roadside rubbish was due to "outsiders". 10 weeks into the lockdown and they're still picking up bag loads of discarded rubbish from the verges.
Was out walking the dogs this morning and emerged from the undergrowth to watch a woman place her bagged dog$hit on the ground and walk-off - she saw me, but it didn't even register to her that she'd done something wrong.
It's only going to get worse with more cafes re-opening for takeaways only. Should be forced to have their company name printed on the boxes so at least the litter can be posted through the appropriate letter box.
I don't agree with MuckyTee littering but I do agree with his point about people making things difficult.
When planning to implement rules you should start by trying to make it easier to comply than disobey, only apply rules that make sense to people and make punishment direct and enforceable wherever possible.
If a bin is in a remote place and gets overfilled then make it bigger. It doesn't need to look like a skip but something that can be emptied once a month instead of overflowing each weekend.
Don't ban McDonalds outlets and then allow Subway or Pret. People need to be able to understand why rules are in place to decide if they want to follow them. Almost no-one sticks to the motorway speed limit because it is an arbitrary number picked half a century ago where as most people drive on the correct side of the road, even when it changes country to country.
I like the idea of number plates printed on drive throughs as people know tyey can be traced. More ideas like that which are very cheap and easy to implement will help. Huffing and puffing that people should be nice and good won't work
My missus asked some young kids why they were throwing rubbish on the floor when there was a bin a few steps away and got '**** off foreigner. Go back to your own country,' in return.
I stopped by work (pub, so still closed,) last week to check everything was secure. 2 massive recycling bins and the same for general waste so of course some scrote has been dumping their household waste on the floor the other side of our external bin store.
People are idiots.
It's the people who walk up to a beauty spot with drinks, food, and a BBQ and then up and leave all the crap on the floor. If they can carry all the stuff full of food and drink, surely they can squash the packaging down and carry it home?
I could almost (not really, but almost) understand dropping something in a carpark where somebody would pick it up but the fact that people walk to a beauty spot, because its beautiful and leave rubbish astounds me.
The kids and I have started taking shopping bags on some of our rides to collect rubbish from one of the spots near us.
That and people who use latex gloves to do their shopping, get to the exit of Tesco and fling them out the window. As much as it annoys me, it also makes me laugh because if they only take them off at the exit to the carpark, they have already touched most of the car interior with the gloves and without.
Without a doubt it is getting so much worse, there is clearly a section of society that feels they're so entitled to just do as they like, not picking up your litter - fields and woods here are covered and a lot of us now take bags as we know we'll find it. Fires in woodland when it's tinder dry, motorbikes on footpaths and then give the farmer a load of lip and vandalism of benches, boardwalks etc. The list goes on. And as for leaving litter at rail stations, don't think I've seen any other than small unmanned ones that don't now have clear bags hanging for your litter. Leaving it means someone has to pick it up, get your food waste on them etc. FFS, there's enough cleaning staff around usually at mainline stations, just hand it to one of them.
When planning to implement rules you should start by trying to make it easier to comply than disobey, only apply rules that make sense to people and make punishment direct and enforceable wherever possible.
Exactly this.
We also live in a society which enforces the rules on the ‘little people’ but the entitled people are let off (I’m not basing this purely on Mr Cummings but also on the way that minor impropriety is punished but major impropriety is rewarded and even admired). The current legal system means that in various fields (financial, planning, environmental health) the enforcing authorities go after easy targets (basically honest people without the funds for legal or professional advice) but let more wealthy people and organisations off because of the legal costs involved.
I hate the attitude this engenders but until the rules are applied to all elements of society, why should we expect people to comply?
In the countries which people have already talked about on the whole their citizens have a bigger stake in what happens in their neighbourhood. Where they don’t you see the same attitudes which we’re complaining about here.
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-is-the-matter-with-people/#post-11226517
I can answer that - NO
only apply rules that make sense to people and make punishment direct and enforceable wherever possible.
You'd have thought not leaving your disgusting shit everywhere WOULD make sense to people. It doesn't though. Hey I bought a rail ticket and I bought a coffee and a flapjack, therefore I have paid to chuck it on the floor and have someone else make sure that it doesn't blow away and choke a passing swan or something.... 🤬
I was fuming while listening to Lisa Tarbuck on radio 2 last Saturday evening. She read out an email from a listener who was complaining about the helium balloons floating past their house. After reading this out Lisa says, oh stop it, helium balloons are great fun, let them go, its only the same as a plastic bag getting caught in a tree.
Well Lisa with that sort of attitude its no wonder people think it's ok to let their helium balloons go merrily into the sky. Where do you think they bloody land.
It's littering. I see balloons in fields, hedges, up trees, in moorland, rivers, streams etc, all litter, all dangerous to farmers livestock, wild animals, farming equipment.
Also while I'm on a major rant. The countryside has been discovered by many people who wouldn't normally go there. Most of these people have gone and enjoyed it, however a fair few have just dumped their waste - picnics, dirty nappies, takeaway rubbish, wipes, masks, gloves, disposable bbqs and just left it to fester. I despair.
Hubby and I while out on our tandem witnessed 2 youngsters parked up, in a posh cabriolet (roof down), toss their beer bottles out into a lay by. The lay by is next to fields and moorland containing ground nesting birds and other rare wildlife. I asked them to pick their rubbish up and take it home, (if it wasn't for C19) I would have picked them up and flung them into the back seat). It was lockdown, so they shouldn't have been having their lovers meeting (seen a lot of that going on), drinking and driving and littering. Stupid idiots.
TJ - you do come out with some ridiculous facts sometimes.
Since lockdown, we've had an interesting addition to the littering problem courtesy of the delightful dog-owning fraternity.
Our household recycling bins are in a ginnel behind our houses. It's a public right of way and used by people who use it as a cut-through to walk their dogs in the woods behind.
You can take it as read that these lovely folk already hang dog-shit bags from the trees in the woods, waiting for the dog-shit fairy to come and remove them all, no doubt.
With the bins all taped up, now what they've also started doing is carrying their shit-bags down from the woods and just throwing them in our recycling bins. So I'll take some cardboard out for recycling, open the paper/card bin, and be greeted by a pile of bags of dog shit!
Delightful!
We're presently considering anti-personal mines
What's wrong with people indeed
It is as if some global event, or sequence of global events, has given people permission to do all the bad things they have secretly always wanted to do.
Racism, spitting at people, xenophobia, fly-tipping, ignoring your own lockdown rules, littering, gratuitous economic and social disruption, leaving a lit BBQ in dry woodland, distributing hate on social media,
This is where I cycle a lot, a dirt jump/trails area in the woods. It's generally quite litter free in the 'big gap' areas, but down here is where the easier jumps are and the kids congregate.
Humans are generally doing themselves proud at the moment aren't they.
I need tot try and keep my growing hatred of people in check, it's got the possibility to become a mental issue.
Kids are kids. It's the adults that should know better that are the biggest problem.
I remember cycling along the road as a kid and I threw a drink bottle in the hedge. My mum happened to be driving behind and saw. Was told my dad would be furious and ashamed of me if he had seen. That was enough, not done it since.
Except for when I was a smoker. It just seemed normal and acceptable behaviour to flick cigarette butts anywhere. Didn't register as littering or as doing anything wrong. Typical anti smoker now, can't stand being anywhere near it!
The it’s your rubbish, your responsibility argument, is a bit of a slippery slope, maybe not have domestic bin collection either by the same logic..
The above needs an important addition ‘your rubbish your responsibility to use facilities provided to dispose of it.’
As for me littering at railway stations I have solved the problem by just not buying anything there now, no bin, no business
Reading this thread has been quite cathartic. Sometimes I oddly feel so alone when surrounded by what it feels like is a majority of people being scumbags. I often talk to my wife and explain how I feel there are more bad people in this world than good. She tries to convince me otherwise, but the evidence speaks for itself. But equally, I know the bad stuff gets highlighted way more than the good stuff.
I would very much like to sit down and chat to those who think its acceptable to litter and disrespect the world we live in, to try and get to the bottom of where this mindset comes from. Why do I know to take my litter home and they don't... where did our education or life choices differ?
I live on a new build estate and we have the obligatory 'social housing'. And whilst I wont tar everyone with the same brush, it does appear that 'they' constantly have 3 or 4 times the amount of household waste compared to non social housing homes. yet my recycling bin is overflowing and on the odd occasions they put theirs out, its clearly not to the brim. Again, how is my view on household waste and recycling so different to theirs? did my state school do a better job educating me? Did my parents show me a different path through life? Am I more open to the impact on the world and care more?
I try not to let it get me down as much as it does.....
The current attitude is ‘how dare you come to the countryside, it’s covid 19 not a holiday, enjoying yourselves, bastards, we’ll put a stop to that, no bins, no toilets, no car parks * you, don’t come here, you’re not welcome’ so people respond with ‘* you too’
Non-essential business of providing bins and toilets to beauty spot car parks is non-essential.
Congrats for joining the scum with your train station litter, btw.
I was fuming while listening to Lisa Tarbuck on radio 2 last Saturday evening. She read out an email from a listener who was complaining about the helium balloons floating past their house. After reading this out Lisa says, oh stop it, helium balloons are great fun, let them go, its only the same as a plastic bag getting caught in a tree.
Well Lisa with that sort of attitude its no wonder people think it’s ok to let their helium balloons go merrily into the sky. Where do you think they bloody land.
It’s littering. I see balloons in fields, hedges, up trees, in moorland, rivers, streams etc, all litter, all dangerous to farmers livestock, wild animals, farming equipment.
Oh FFS don't get her name wrong. She'll ****ing 'ave you for it.
I believe her full name is Liza, not lisa, did I mention it's LEEEEEEEEEEEEZA, LIZA LIZA LIZA LIZA LIZA LIZA quick mention of who my Dad is LIZA LIZA LIZA LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZA Tarbuck.
And I knew she was a **** long before she condoned littering on Radio 2.
Again, how is my view on household waste and recycling so different to theirs?
Class. You have some, they don't. Where you got it, doesn't matter.
I'm NOT condoning it, but:
- The councils (round here at least) stopped litter collection during lockdown and still haven't resumed public bin emptying. The reason was supposedly to enable more resource for socially distanced household collections.
- The same is true for dumps/recycling centres, as a result fly tipping has been rife.
- Perhaps infrequent home bin collections is a false economy that discourages people from taking their rubbish home?
- The pictures from Durdle Door are a bit misleading - in the middle of the afternoon the police (in their own words) "evacuated the beach", if that was done with the urgency it suggests (and it was for air ambulance and cg helo so it certainly wasn't a "take your time" job) then hardly surprising if a lot of people abandoned stuff. My views on anyone who thought going there was a good idea anyway, are rather less diplomatic.
- Theres some very mixed messaging around where people can go. In England the whole country is "open" but many of the places people would normally travel to for leisure are pro-actively discouraging visitors, (I get what/why but the consequential effect is not properly thought through - its almost like it needs national leadership): similarly in Scotland a "stay local" message results in far higher population density in some facilities than might be normal with resulting higher waste.
- If you look carefully in the Germanic countries, as well as many of the Scandi countries whilst there is generally a more responsible attitude to waste there are also far more street cleaners etc. My limited experience in Asia suggests its probably the same. I don't think they are leaving as much waste but then the little that is left is quickly cleared away and the fact the environment is pristine discourages others (the well its already a dump so my waste is making no real difference issue).
- People who will queue in cars for 1/2 a mile to get a drive through McDonalds are clearly not wired up right so its hardly surprising if they dump their waste. Personally I'd charge a waste tax on all take away food which is specifically used for waste type projects.
- Oh and by closing pubs (which I think is probably a good idea) you've driven hard core drinkers back to their underage illicit drinking spots in the woods etc. Expecting drunk people to behave rationally is probably a mistake!
There are pretty much no bins in Tokyo, yet no litter. People expect to take it home. It's just a matter of conditioning from an early age. You have to make these things socially repugnant, like drink driving (which was the norm before the 70s). Now it's a source of shame to get prosecuted for it.
Also, the squeezing of council budgets has removed a lot of these everyday social necessities like street cleaning or public toilets. It becomes the norm to take a piss in an alley or carefully fold your chip bag into a railing and society is much the worse for it.
Local pub made a big deal of/about eliminating single use plastic recently. They've just opened for take away... never seen so much plastic. And the reason I can see it? It's being left (by the socially intimate hordes they've attracted) in the communal area over the road next to the bins which aren't being emptied.
When challenged - 'all we can do is tell our customers how to dispose of their waste properly'.
No more £6 pints at the Stew and Oyster for me...
Was going to post something similar the other day op. Passed at least 3 kfc bargain buckets that had just been lobbed out the car window the other day, scattering their contents all over the ground. What kind of person thinks that's acceptable??
On a side note, the albatross I hung in a local park was there bringing joy to the public (possibly) for 2 weeks before it was nicked.
a) Does hanging art from trees count as littering?
b) Who nicks an 8 foot albatross?
☝️reminds me of this which I saw when out for a run a while back:
a) no, that's awesome 😂a) Does hanging art from trees count as littering?
b) Who nicks an 8 foot albatross?
b) a knob. (unless it was the council, I'd imagine it would hurt if it fell on someone!!)
Pathetic excuse. Easy solution is to charge a few quid deposit (refundable when returned to the bar) for a more robust plastic glass. A few of the local festivals do that, you don't see any of them lying around in the streets afterwards 😃When challenged – ‘all we can do is tell our customers how to dispose of their waste properly’.
Part of it has to do with a sense of powerlessness. The greater the inequality, the less sense of power and civic pride, the more you dump (I lived in the crescents, people would dump in the lifts). Japan and Scandinavia score well on the Gini hence clean streets. You could also see it as fast food outlets externalising their costs, Maccy's and Greggs producing industrialised but edible material from animals' jallops and expecting society to clear up the litter as well as suffer the health consequences. My county is the last not to have a McD's, but I don't know for how long. Do we really need low wages, food to die for and litter everywhere? The (tory) council seem to think we do.
b) Who nicks an 8 foot albatross?
Amateurs.
Where I live it's fibreglass horses that get nicked.
Here's the cops recovering it from the miscreants gaff....
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/jail-reset-stolen-ready-steady-5567925
It all dates from the Thatcher years. All street bins were removed during the IRA bombing campaign and that along with “no such thing as society” and the rest of the selfishness means two generations have grown up discarding rubbish
Well, there’s street bins in my town, and all over Bath, don’t know about other towns, or in your part of the world, but blaming events thirty-odd years ago is a bit of a stretch.
There used to be public information broadcasts on telly regularly telling people not to litter, that was around the same time. People are just lazy, there are no bins alongside rivers or in farmers fields, so instead of putting their rubbish back into the bags it came in, it’s just left.
And as for people just shitting where they are, it’s no good blaming the lack of public loos, many places have never, ever had loos, there’s nowhere to put them, and visitors didn’t crap all over the place in the past.
@perchypanther - that’s quite some feat, nicking a street sculpture of that size! He surely must have had help, even snorting several lines wouldn’t help lifting and carrying something like that away. Some of those things are quite valuable, a friend of mine has a Shawn the Sheep statue that was placed outside St Paul’s Cathedral at her hotel/house, cost her several thousand, but when she went to bid for one from a later Shawn/Grommit campaign on behalf of a friend they were going for upwards of £11-12k!
The it’s your rubbish, your responsibility argument, is a bit of a slippery slope, maybe not have domestic bin collection either by the same logic..
Yes, because paying your council tax and bagging up your rubbish fortnightly and leaving in a wheeliebin provided by the council for a pre-arranged collection is the same as buying a coffee at a train station and therefore feeling entitled to leave the waste on the ground... 🤣
Muckytee? Troll, moron or *? With his * you attitude to littering I'm going with ****.
Same story here Binners. But I’d rather the shite was collected in any kind of bin than left dangling at head height at the edge of paths. Not ideal, but could be worse.
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Especially when the cinema's are closed
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Re bins not being there: I first encountered heavy littering when I moved to Edinburgh in the 1970s. Bins were thin on the ground, and I got a lot of stick from the natives for taking my wrappers etc back home with me. The ability to just chuck stuff can get deeply ingrained.
Passed at least 3 kfc bargain buckets that had just been lobbed out the car window the other day, scattering their contents all over the ground. What kind of person thinks that’s acceptable??
More to the point, what kind of person buys a bargain bucket and doesn't eat the contents!? Insanity.
Same story here Binners. But I’d rather the shite was collected in any kind of bin than left dangling at head height at the edge of paths. Not ideal, but could be worse.
To say I'm not a fan of dogs would be an understatement. Actually... it's their owners I don't like. With good reason, living in an area popular with them. If you must own what is essentially a noisy, smelly shit-generating machine then it should be you that's dealing with its output, and certainly not me.
From experience (having shouted at quite a few of them) its Mr and Mrs 50-odd year old, matching Berghaus jackets that seem to think that it's me and my neighbours that should be left to deal with the massive logs left behind by their labrador, hanging in trees, now dumped in our recycling bins, or more often than not, just left outside our houses for us to stand in.
****s!!
If one ever dares to point out to these oiks that they have just thrown their litter down 20cm from a bin, then the torrent of abuse and threatening behaviour is scary. I saw a woman get punched once outside Greggs for pointing out that a child hadn't placed his litter in the bin, but had instead chosen to walk out of the door and just throw it down. I regretted not sticking up for the nice lady.
I live in a nice place and have shouted at people throwing cigarette butts out of open car windows, in the street and down a drain. I think/hope that at least one of them was embarrassed enough to not do it again.
Rats, now if you start telling them about rats, they almost sit up and listen.
Binners - You should trap an angry cat in your bin.
It'll scare the shit out of the dog poo depositor and they're unlikely to see their dog for several hours afterwards.
Seen a recent FB post from one of the Scottish islands. There assumption was that all the roadside rubbish was due to “outsiders”. 10 weeks into the lockdown and they’re still picking up bag loads of discarded rubbish from the verges.
On a cycle tour of the outer hebrides in the late 1990's I was surprised to find that the locals on some of the islands considered a reasonable way to dispose of a knackered car was to push it into the sea on one of the beautiful beaches.
I can always rely on you for a common sense solution PP. It should have been the obvious solution from the start