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(Inspired by the Alfa thread)
Just about to book in our Mazda 3 2.0l Sport for its service/MOT – we have owned it since new and it's now 11 years old with a measly 55,000 on the clock.
In that time it has needed just the one expensive repair (Stability Control issue) which Mazda went 50/50 on and the usual consumables. It still starts first time every time and apart from feeling a little flabby at times, it's still fun to drive.
Over to you...
My van (Transit) bought new 2003, close to 300,000 miles and I'm still driving it about to/from work and to/from mountain biking destinations.
Its been to Corsica about 5 time plus various tours of Europe.
Service properly and regularly - just normal wear and tear, still original clutch.
Be sad when it dies, but Id be happy to get another one.
peugeot partner van - 9 years - consumables only + an alternator. - took it from 30k - 115k with two trips to the alps where it would sit at 81 all day on the toll roads.(thats foot to the floor)
My land rover ninety now coming up for 8 years - albe it its now 30 years old and under went a year long full strip down and rebuild 3 years ago where i went resto mod on some bits - LED lighting has made a huge improvement to reliability of the lighting system and the heated screen has meant i can see when its raining. bought with 100k and now has 130k on the clock.
when I was younger I had quite a few cars, changed them now that I look back on it relatively frequently. Then I started holding on for a bit longer, as evidenced by the mileage when they got sold on or scrapped.
Golf GTI - sold at about 110k, was 4th but not final owner, had it since about 50k, must have owned it for 6 years.
Saab 900S, got written off around 110k as well, again held for c. 6 years, from around 55k IIRC.
next, Saab 900S again (mk 2 model), finally scrapped at around 110k having had since about 45k, probably had that 12-14 years.
currently on an Octavia estate, gain 2nd hand, just running that in at 50k having bought at about 24k.
Mondeo 2.2 Tdci Estate Mk3, owned it for 10 years and 130k miles. One EGR failure that was replaced for £55 and a broken front spring were the only problems in that time. Regret selling the car, especially when the car that replaced it, a Skoda Octavia Mk2 VRS, ended up being the worst car I had owned and also for the shortest amount of time.
I had an XC90 bought new in 2002 and sold in 2014 with only 80k on the clock but it was feeling tired.
Check shows it as being currently taxed and MOT'd
Current car bought 2006 at three years old. Just developed a slight coolant leak. It uses a bit of oil now, whereas it used not to, but the fuel consumption is better than it was a few years ago. There is a bit of creaking from the oily bits and a tiny bit of rust on one door cap. 125K miles on the clock so not heavy use. It's had a few bits replaced but mostly minor. The most painful were the radiator fan (300 quid for a hairdryer) and the secondary air something pump (300 quid for a hairdryer).
I had a 1995 Subaru Impreza that I bought when it was 2 years old and kept for 11 years before chopping it in against another car. Was completely reliable over that time, needing only 1 ABS sensor over and above any routine servicing.
My current Landrover is 35 years old and going strong but did have a ground up rebuild when I bought it 7 years ago.
We have a honda civic type R, we bought it new in 2007, so its now coming up for 11 years old, it hasnt done many miles though (67000), but its been mainly good, despite it being stolen from us when nearly new in 2007 in a carjacking incident.
It recently needed a new damper, and an aircon condensor, other than that its just been regular servicing ,tyres and brakes.
1932 Morris Major Six, I got it as a box of nuts of bolts from my father in the late 1980s. He was given it as a complete car by his father in the 1950s. My father was an engineering student at St Andews at the time. Although he graduated and did a PhD, he was a useless mechanic. He dismantled the car as a student, it was in the same state when he ran off with his secretary thirty years later.
I rebuilt it from the ground up over a year and drove it to the Vintage Car Extravaganza at Glamis the day after it got its first MOT in our family ownership.
I used it a fair bit when I lived up in Orkney, ther roads were as quiet as roads from the 1930s up there and I joined the very active vintage club. We went on runs to the northern isles in the summer. Since I came back south I've not used it much at all, which is a crying shame.
Some pics here
I have a 2006 BMW 130i that I've had since September 2013. I got it with just under 75,000 miles and it's now just over 141,000.
Only cost beyond consumables has been a failed water pump. Servicing and running costs are high but I love it. Hoping to get it to the moon (240,000 miles).
Mate bought an Audi A4 new in 2003 and it has something like 290k miles on it now. Will be chopped in for the VW scrappage scheme later this year.
Not car, but the longest-owned vehicle and only motorbike I've ever owned I bought in 2009, so coming up for 8 and a half years. Shamefully it's only done about 6k miles in that time.
BMW M6 bought at 10 years old with 40k on it, did 175 miles then put a leg out of bed and it's sat in the workshop ever since. Currently having the engine rebuilt with new bottom end, rods, pistons and so on. Although I found out recently the injectors are on the fritz so that's yet MORE money that needs spending on it.
Do your research kids....
I had my Golf GTi for five years and, apart from the accident and the new engine it needed, it was a good car, certainly more reliable than the Omega that replaced it. So much so that I was glad I never sold the Golf and could drive it again both during the fixing of the heads on the Omega and after I sold the Omega on.
It did have a lot of miles on it when it finally went though
2001 Toyota Yaris Verso, bought new - mainly consigned to dog and bike mobile these days, but it just refuses to die - passes MOT for little money
Bit of a cheat because it was my Dads, then mine and it’s my Dads again now, but 2001 Passat V6 Diesel. Dad paid £30k for it new, it’s done 120k miles in 17 years or so.
Only a single fault, Alternator wore out which cost a fortune because despite being a common car and a common-ish engine is was a very rare mix of the two and the alternator was specific to that model.
It felt a bit rubbish last time I drove it, but my Dad had tapped a wall in the snow and creased the wing and upset the steering but never repaired it, plus it was on 8 year old crap tyres. I’m told it’s fine again now.
Mate got 250k miles out of a 20v Turbo A4, single clutch (£1k!) and a head rebuild, not the cars fault, a spark plug failed and dropped the tip into the head.
Bought a honda accord tourer new in 2005, just traded it in In December 2017 with 170k on the clock.
Still have my 1987 Citroen 2CV I bought in 1988, so 30 years of ownership. Am I winning 🙂
Honda Integra Type R.
From new in 1998 - 2014. 100k miles.
It was on and off the road for the last couple of years. Nothing major, just lots of "old age" issues.
Still miss it.
It's still off the road, according to the MOT check.
Maybe I should track it down through the DC2 forum and buy it back,....
10 years, 63k miles and the gearbox just fell out.
Honda Jazz coming up for 14 years from new, something like 120k on the clock I think.
Other than tyres, brakes and exhausts I struggle to think of anything that's needed replacing. The bonnet catch corroded itself shut at one point.
Had the said Alfa since 2001.
Houses, jobs, cats, bikes, underpants, wives and girlfriends have all come and gone, but the Duetto has remained with me
I had a Ford Focus for 10 years it was 1 year old when I bought it. Only got rid of it when I got a company car. Other than the usual wear and tear the only thing that ever went wrong with it was a coil pack. Sold it to a work mate and it went straight through the last MOT.
My previous 03 Ibiza 1.9 TDi...
Bought it at just over 3 years old, in Sept 2006.
Sold it in Jan 2016 and only because our daughter arrived and we needed a larger car for lugging baby stuff. My Wife has a 12 plate Ibiza FR, which is now my daily transport, while the Ibiza got sold & replaced with a Shitroen C3 Picasso.
My Ibiza ticked over 24k miles on the drive home from picking it up & I sold it with 274k miles on it. So, it did 250k miles in just over 9 years of my ownership. People say diesels are expensive when they go wrong, but that wasn't my experience.
It was still on it's original clutch & dual mass flywheel, turbo, injectors, fuel pump, exhaust. Front discs & pads lasted ~120k miles.
I had a couple of boost pipes come off (on separate occasions) while driving to work which was a bit of a pain, but didn't leave me stranded and were relatively cheap to replace.
Biggest expense was the a/c compressor - that was £500 fitted. Had I not been doing a 120 mile/day commute at the time I probably wouldn't have had a new one.
I told the bloke I sold it to that he would be mad to do anything like map it, because he will probably trash it. He muttered & off he went.
A couple of weeks later he texted me to tell me he'd re-mapped it to 180bhp (from 130) and it was slipping in 5th & 6th.....but he worked in a clutch & tyre place so was planning on doing the clutch himself.
I loved that car & I was pretty sad to see it go. The plan was to sell it at 300k miles, but it didn't quite get there with me.
Ordered a Caterham 7 in late 2000 built it and registered in early 2001
its now done over 20.000 miles but has changed a bit over time .
its in my garage still but unfortunately reckon it's times up as need the funds 😞
98 S reg Skoda Octavia. Sold it for 200 quid at 17 years old and 97k to a Polish mate. A new clutch at 14 yrs was all it ever needed. He is gradually restoring it and drives it to Poland a couple of times a year.
Peugeot 605 SVi, 18 years. It was stil a delight to drive but so many perishable bits of rubber and plastic needed replacing to keep it reliable it went to the breakers.
Bought a shogun in 2001 with 6k on it and sold it in 2010 with 128k on the clock - all it ever had was oil and brake pads - bloody amazing and the chap who bought it is still driving it.
Forgot about my caterham 7, bought in 2000 when it was 4 years old,so its now 22 years old.
Havent a clue how many miles its done because the speedo broke years ago,and its had various new clocks in it since then. Its had a new everythibg over the years, i think the only original things on it are the chassis the diff,and the rear left wing, everything else has been rebuilt or replaced - worn out through trackdays or upgraded to go faster on trackdays.
It doesnt get much use these days,but its not depreciating, so it can stay.
Almost 10 years and 60k miles for our T5, started as a panel van and ended as a full camper conversion. Only 'necessary' mechanical issues were new turbo internals after the originals gummed up (stuck vanes, no amount of turbo cleaner helped).
Longest I've owned an actual car was my mk1 Punto Sporting. Couple of years old when I bought it, I had it almost 5 years and near enough cried when I sold it. Around 70k not-very-gentle miles in that time (I was young, male and a driving god, obviously...). Not a single thing broke or went wrong. Well the exhaust rusted through and fell off but that was all.
Ran a mk2 Golf GTi for 10 years. It was just about run in when I sold it after 100k miles.
13 years for the 406 estate I had before my current Mondeo. Bought it when it was 18 months old in 1999, only managed ~130k miles in that time which is kind of strange as I was doing 20k a year for a few years. By the time I got rid it was starting to need more expensive work - it seems it didn't get taxed a year after I sold it or an MOT from a little after that, so I guess it died.
I've had my 2000 VW Passat Estate since 2004. It has 170k on the clock and is reaching the end. Mechanics and bodywork are still good but an increasing number of small niggles - damp, electrics and damp electrics. It's past being worth spending more money on so I'm looking around for a replacement. 14 years for under £5k plus a few minor parts. Can't grumble.
Had longest:
= 1972 VW Karmann Ghia.. will have had 20 years in November, second owner.. covered maybe 30k in that time.
= 1960 VW Beetle.. will have had it 17 years in June.. covered less than 100 miles! 😳
Most miles:
= 2008 BMW 325D Touring.. had it for 7 1/2 years and 130k (just coming up to 200k)
1973 Land Rover Series 3 88, bought in 1996 and still have it, currently undergoing its third rebuild in my ownership.
Owned a Renault Laguna for 6 years and took it from 90K to 220K
Apart from the normal stuff only required a new fusebox, some track rod / ball joint bits and some wheel bearings.
R53 Cooper S - bought new in August 2003. Still got it and still love it.
We tend to buy cars we like and then just run them until they break/become uneconomic to repair.
Currently have an E39 525d Touring that I’ve had for 9 years. Bought at 113k now on 235k. Still on original clutch, turbo and exhaust but injectors and fuel pumps replaced, some by me and some be previous owner. Going rusty now but is still a very nice car to drive and takes a 29er with the wheels on.
Also ran a Mk2 Gti for nearly a decade. Scrapped that at 235k.
I've had my VW Corrado since 2007. Though it's been off the road for a couple of years following a (none fault) crash which became an excuse for a bigger, tuned up engine and a respray. It has dragged on a bit..
Said a sad cheerio in November to my old Corsa, bought six years old in 2012 and banged 80k on her with little more than consumables. The alternator fell off (still drove, garage just bolted it back on again) and the thermostat housing split last summer, but other than that, she'd been a good car.
I've only had 9 cars since I passed my test in 1974. 'Best' as in most reliable, was my 01 Passat 130tdi, had it from 2005 till 2014, bought with 96K & sold it with 235K on, running repairs only, same clutch, gearbox, exhaust, battery. The only reason I sold it was cos for it's mot It needed front calipers, central locking was dodgy, a couple of suspension bits & a CV boot. Wish I'd kept it cos I swapped it for a dog of a same model Passat!
Fave car was my 1972 1600E.
2005 Touran. Bought 2008 with 23k on. Ran until 2014 with 153k on.
Cost a fortune in bits that went wrong, ate suspension parts up front, shat the ABS unit twice, dmf, dpf, she, glow plugs twice, airbag cable twice, boot strut mounting etc etc. Sold it when turbo started playing up on same trip the clutch/dmf started making noises, when it was already booked in for timing belt a week later.
I had a BMW 320d for 11 years. It had 250000 on it when it went. It needed a new turbo at 100k which is why I held onto it. Starter motor went and it struggled through its last few MOTs.
I would have another one.
This thread is making the Audi / pcp threads look ridiculous.
I owned a ford anglia for 2 months back in 1978. Never owned one since. It was scrapped
My 54’ Galaxy TDi.
Bought at 60k, 7 years ago, now on 136k.
Its been the biggest POS ever in terms of reliability, not big faults; just niggly ones, but cheap, easy fixes.
But it’s just such a practical motor though. Drags a tonne & a half Caravan around France with no issues. It’s tolerant of stop start town motoring.
Nothing short of a van comes close, but it’s nicer to ride in than a van.
i can’t see me changing it for 100k yet, providing the chassis holds out. Just about to have a full brake & suspension rebuild.
1999 Yaris from new for 17 years. Sold it mid 2016 after we fixed a fuel pump failure. Wife wanted a bigger car. It's apparently still going.
Mine has just hit 16 and 120k miles - had it since 10 months old and 10k - Nissan Primera SVE with all the toys. Only major replacements have been air con radiator (damaged by debris), air con pipe - fractured, and a new cat. Other than regular services not much of note. Never broke down and only had AA out twice - once wife left doors open when she was in the next village and the battery was flat (I'd had some wine so couldn't drive out) and when a plastic clip broke on a wiper linkage - AA rainex'ed the car and I continued on my way and bought a replacement linkage for peanuts off ebay.
The only gremlins I get are occasional air bag lights - I just run the magic 'ignition key' switches, it scans for a code (normally driver's seat has been kicked), then I disconnect the driver's seat, reconnect it and do the 'system check' process with a few turns of the ignition - this re-scan's the system. It's unfortunately an age thing as connectors get worn.
The car just passed it's MOT without any advisories.
Had a Berlingo for around 10 years, from 40k miles to 150k miles - has had minimal amounts of money spent on it. It's pretty tatty now but still working fine.
Honda HR-V bought new in 2004. Still going strong with over 230k on it.
Current one- Mondeo TDCI 2.2 estate. 5 years, 50000 miles, 2 turbos (one entirely my fault), 1 drowning in a loch, 2 minor fires, smells like it has a fifth injector shooting diesel straight into the exhaust but still came through its MOT with one trivial advisory
I was planning to sell it after the last MOT but realised I'm quite attached to it. Now I'm probably going to end up keeping it way past the point I should have binned it.
Oh and my motorbike, bought 2003 with 7000 miles on it, still got it and now it says 60000. We had some amazing times but it's been off the road for years.
11 years with my Cayman, 41k on the clock. Only expenses have been due to lack of use when I was living abroad (battery and gearbox electrical component changed for £400). Service interval every 2 years means I’ve spent more on bike maint.
Also had Shogun, Rav4 10 years trouble free and Yaris bought for the 3 kids to learn in is with my eldest and we’ve had that 14 years trouble free. 7yrs with Audi A6 110k miles no problems.
I had a 2001 130bhp Passat from new for 12 years. Unfortunately it after the first few trouble free years it barely managed 6 weeks without something needing replaced on it. I could write a book about it! The diesel Mazda 6 that replaced it has been a lot better although I ended up replacing all the injectors after they worked loose (how is that even possible???).
Maybe I’ll wait until the forum is squared away...
Oooh, I forgot.
In the same family (my father then us) -
53 Yaris D4D. Bought as ex demo at 3mths old for £6.5k
Cost one wheel bearing and one alternator.
Traded in for £650 at 138k and 14years.
I bought my Honda FRV in 2006 when it was 12 months old with 8k on the clock. I sold it in September after 11 years during which it only failed to start first time on one occasion (flat battery). Other than a little surface rust around the nearside wheel arch it was still running great.
I have an MX5 Mk1 (well it's a Eunos import to be exact) that was manufactured in 1995. I imported it from Japan in 1999 and have owned it ever since. It has now done just over 110,000 miles but still drives really well. In fact it never ever fails to put a smile on my face when I drive it.
I really can't see me ever selling it.
Serial vehicle buyers here (so usually have a few) but one or two last a long time with us.
Had a Xantia estate, had that 42k Miles to 240k miles and 16 years. A 1275 Midget for 16 years, now with a best mate who’s had it 6 years. And the Vito, bought off here 9 years ago, have added a 100k Miles and still going strong. Mrs G has a Rav2 that was researched as a best vehicle to run for years and years, only 6 so far and 90k so far but hoping on forever. My current hack, whilst only on its second year with us, it has 164k miles on and going well.
2001 Passat estate bought with 100k at 3 years and ran for 10 yrs + 90k. Before and after that changed cars every 3 to 4 years for one seemingly good reason or another.
The Tranny van in the 2nd post was a pretty high bar to start with...
I started the current kit car around 2001, on the road 2003. It had a few years off the road when the diff exploded but back now (at least in the summer). It's only done about 3000 miles, but it's not the type to do long drives in (bike engine). I need to re-do the dash this year but no plans to sell it yet.
Bought my 73 bay in 2001, probably done less than 10,000 miles in that time, spent more time on a recovery truck / in the garage than I've had it running. Been in dry storage for the last 4-5 years being slowly restored estimated time of completion 2040.
Had a 2001 V70 ex police that I bought in 2006ish with 100k on the clock that was still going strong at 180k+ when I parked it up when I moved to Australia in 2011. Reckon it would have been good for another 5years / 50k at least if the barn hadn't fallen on it...
2000 Golf 2L "GTI" had the unfortunate accolade of being the slowest golf GTI VW ever made - our van apparently does 0-60 quicker - but I owned mine from 2004-2014 without anything major going wrong. Lots of smaller niggles though. EG a 3 door car dropping 4 electric windows.
Current 2010 mondeo has gone from 40k in 2013 to 140k with nothing but routine servicing but I'll probably still sell it in a year or so. Judging by all the horror stories I shouldn't rely on my car luck continuing ad infinitum!
Transporter T5 had it for 6 years and now on 275k miles.
List of things done it would be longer than the EU thread
At the other end of the spectrum...
I have a 2001 Honda Blackbird bought new for £6k. It now has 8.5k on it. It recently had a new ECU at ~£1k and stacks of servicing every couple of years at ~£200 - £300 per. It doesn't make sense economically but is fun when I (occasionally) ride it.
Had a 57-plate 1.6D V50. Bought it at 75k and took it up to 180k. DPF replaced, then the turbo went. Got shot of it and now have a 64-plate 1.6D Octavia estate (bought it on 35k), which I'm hoping will do me until well into six figures. Key to it I think is not missing a service and driving them with respect. Thrash it when it needs it, steady distance driving all other times.
1997 VW Polo bought for £1500 about 10 years ago. 50,000 done in it. Refuses to die but it's at a a stage now where loads of silly stuff is going wrong, dashboard packed in few months back, seat belts don't retract back, boot won't open.
Needs a timing belt and clutch slips if you boot it. Time is ticking on it.
2012 Fiesta got in 2014 with 47,000 on it now on 131,000. Needed thermostat housing, wishbone, droplink, it's on its 3rd starter and it's going to need it's 3rd clutch soon.
I can live with it needing clutches etc but if anything big goes wrong, it's going.
My only ever new car ... 21/12/2001 with PDI mileage (9) VW Golf MKIV GT TDI 130 PD,
affectionately known as "Jazzy" in the household due to it being Jazz blue 🙂
Date is poignant as it's also my fav all time album 🙂
256853 miles later and still going strong. several rear wheel bearings and a warranty drive
belt tensioner. Still on the original clutch !!!!!!
^^ 🙂
It would be my Fiesta ST bought new March 2007 sold June 2016.
It was the definition of reliable. 85k on routine servicing. No MOT failures, still on original exhaust and battery. Just a steady diet of tyres, brakes and fluids. And two headlight bulbs and a taillight.
Saw it last year at a garage being driven by a young mum with two kids, She seemed faintly horrified that I was the previous owner
Current daily driver bought from new;
2013 Toyota Corolla D4D currently on 325,400miles 🙂
Saw it last year at a garage being driven by a young mum with two kids, She seemed faintly horrified that I was the previous owner
indeed , she probably got stung for a hell of a lot of bills when she bought the car if you did nothing to it for 85k 😀
1999 206 xsi - bought in 2001, sold in 2017, didn't do many miles as cycle alot - approx. 80k no major work required (apart from the cat going early on)
Clutch went inside a month after selling.....
2002 Golf mk4. Came with 8 miles on odometer as a company car. After 4 years I bought it off company. Its now 15 1/2 and still going great. Was going to pass it on when got a van last year, but it sailed through its MOT and so for what its worth to sell may as well keep it. Fingers crossed it keeps going.
FIAT Doblo 8 years put on 80,000.
Hmm.
☺
Front wishbones and dampers.
Rear dampers and mounts.
Injectors.
Radiator.
Interior plastics frangible.
2* brakes.
Random Italian/Turkish electrical nightmares.
Needs a clutch and the turbo will join in at some point.
Still, amazingly on the original exhaust.
Feels fine between random catastrophic failures.
To be fair it's had a really hard life and it's genuinely fun to drive.
'94 RX7 - 10 years this year.
I think it's on about 44k, about 8k miles in my ownership.Haven't driven it for 3 years.
2 Engine rebuilds, pretty much every part replaced/upgraded.
I'm not sure it's the best VFM I've ever got out of a car TBH.
Longest - the old MG but that shouldn't count.
Only other car is my 06 C-Max,bought at 30k in 2011 now at 112k. But has a growing list of faults and niggles which is making me consider ditching it rather than starting to throw money at it.
Merc E320Cdi Estate - Bought new Nov 2006 - currently at 204,000 miles.
Nothing too major, just regular serving, tyres, brakes, ball joints etc but had a turbo at about 160,000m (£1500) and new dampers and shocks in the last year (£1500) - when you get a big bill you want to hang on to it longer to get your money's worth....
Feels like it will just keep going. Ideally I hoping for about 300,000m from it.
It was about £40k new and current model one is £55k. My view is if you are spending that much it should last a good 250,000 - 300,000 miles.
Mazda 3 sport 2007 47000miles.
Tyres, 2 batteries. That's it, still runs smooth and quiet.
If it ever dies, will buy another.
Current company car, 8yrs and 108k miles
I can fit our tandem in the boot with just the front wheel and stoker bars removed so it's a keeper ☺️
Bought a 55 plate Discovery 3 in 2006 18k on it , now on 68k also bought a Mitsubishi Shogun 55 plate in 2006 11k on it now on 70k serviced them both on the dot for about 5 years then as and when, nothing more than tyres and batteries and a few more minor bits , Disco passed MOT yesterday , needed a bulb. No plans to change either as replacement costs for either would be astronomical and they both fly round any 300 mile trips I decide to do, so don`t see the need to chuck cash at newer.
Mate said to his wife in 1962 I am buying an MG F, she said you buy that and I am gone, it`s currently in his garage being given some serious TLC.
It was about £40k new and current model one is £55k. My view is if you are spending that much it should last a good 250,000 – 300,000 miles.
Depends, are you not just getting more miles from it because its economical to repair because it cost so much initially?
The list of niggles is almost all service stuff.
Pads and disks
Alternator
Power steering rack (common fault on that car)
Its only about £900 of work, but its more than the car is worth, if it were a Mercedes and still worth £6k (or whatever) the the equation is somewhat different but its no less likely to last 300k if the same money was spent on both.
I had 2 BMW 530d Auto Sport Tourings..one after the other.
1) black and leather all the toys did 175k and no troubles, dealer serviced. Only issue was the rear boot wouldnt lock (common problem) fixed by dealer.
2) dark grey and leather and a sunroof, 240k and only issue was the rear wash/wipe failed (common problem) fixed by dealer.
Both towed a small racing yacht and dinghy around Europe, effortlessly, rammed full of windsurfing gear and bikes.
Loved both, both PX'ed in.. last one PX'ed for an M3Conv which did 3500miles before meeting an unfortunate end (written off, not by me but its a story for another day) That ended my BMW affair..