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I was thinking about this on the way into work today. What would tick both boxes if you could only have the one car.
A petrolhead would want something that is fun, handles well and has a decent turn of speed.
A MTBer would want something that is easy to get their bike in or on and can carry a fair amount of luggage for day trip or even a week away in the alps. Presumably the bigger the better.
For me this compromise is most likely reached with a quickish petrol estate. I would prefer RWD but budgetary constraints hold that back at the moment.
Chris Harris took it to the extreme with going to BPW in his Ferrari FF with his Orange 5 in the boot. I saw a bloke squeeze a bike into the front of his Lotus Exige, god knows how.
So what in your opinion is the best compromise car for a petrolhead MTBer.
Audi RS6 / E63 AMG Wagon / Jag XFR Sportsbrake. Or if they ever make it, the Dodge Hellcat Shooting brake.
800BHP supercharged v8 hatchback.
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Renault Twizy
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Focus ST estate?
Relatively unlimited funds (probably involves selling first-born into slavery)? Deffo an Audi RS6 (the V8 version as is sounds awesome).
Reality? I've found myself looking at Prius's.
I think I've got to that point in life where I realise I'm never going to own an exciting car 😥
Following in the great STW tradtion of mine-is-bestest:
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Not quite sure it ticks all the boxes though 😛
Skoda octavia vrs estate. The diesel is quick enough but the petrol has the same engine as a golf gti.
This might be my next company car or a Leon estate FR.
Subaru Forester XT
Loads of great fast estates either out or coming soon. "Compromise" includes on price IMO so relatively affordable.
Seat Leon ST has a Cupra 280 version (including the Sub8 pack if you want it)
Ford Focus ST estate
Golf R estate
Octavia VRS Estate (now getting the 230bhp map from the Golf GTI)
All under £30k new if you allow a bit of discount.
jimjam what is that, a Challenger breadvan? Looks amazing!
simon_g - MemberLoads of great fast estates either out or coming soon. "Compromise" includes on price IMO so relatively affordable.
Considering the OP mentioned Farrari and Lotus I took the compromise to mean it has to fit a bike, money no object.
I_Ache - Memberjimjam what is that, a Challenger breadvan? Looks amazing!
I think it's a prototype/concept based on the Challenger Hellcat. Looks awesome alright.
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If petrol money wasn't an issue, Id quite fancy one of these...
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This?
180BHP, more space in the back than a 3 series touring...
Rachel
Ariel Atom.
It's basically made of scaffolding, you could easily keep bolting bike racks and roof boxes all over it.
If it was to be a nice petrolhead type car, the bikes would be kept on the outside anyway, which does away with the cavernous interior requirement.
At the moment, I'd quite happily make do with a Porsche Cayman of some sort with roof bars.
Realistic money would be a Skyline 350GT. Similar performance and driving style but with 2+2 seating, decent boot space and 1/3rd of the price.
Loving the Evo estate and the Challenger FF-alike.
Saw an M3 estate the other day, not official but it had been done to a very convincing standard.
I am currently weighing up getting rid of my 2013 A4 2.0TDI avant and swapping into a 05/06 S4 avant, I need a V8 in my life!
Looks like most people agree with me on the estate factor.
I already have a Focus St Estate which is one of the reasons I was thinking about this.
Personally I wouldn't want something too big especially if it was being used for fun and traveling down narrow country roads. Otherwise I would pick something like the M5 Touring. I think for me the non existent M3 Touring would be just about perfect. In a world where I have to choose a real car I think the 335i Touring would be the one I went for. Sadly I don't have £50k to buy the one I want.
The Flying Ox - Member
If it was to be a nice petrolhead type car, the bikes would be kept on the outside anyway, which does away with the cavernous interior requirement.
I don't like having the bikes on the outside and much prefer to put them in the boot. This also means I can take one to work and go for a ride straight after.
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IIRC an RS6 isn't as useful as you might think - you can't fit a towbar for a rack as the rear bit is different to all the other A6's.
Get a van instead. Bikes fit nicely in the back and it goes like stink:
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In a world where I have to choose a real car I think the 335i Touring would be the one I went for. Sadly I don't have £50k to buy the one I want.
Does it have to be brand new? £8500 buys you a fully-specced iDrive '56 plate: [url= http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e90-3-series-05-12/bmw-3-series-e9x-335i-m-sport-touring-----------2006/3671488 ]http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/e90-3-series-05-12/bmw-3-series-e9x-335i-m-sport-touring-----------2006/3671488[/url]
EDIT: If you have up to £20k, you could have this magnificent specimen:
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Audi RS2?
Or maybe the V8 RS4 avant?
M5, C63, E63 maybe?
If money was no object I'd go for a Holden HSV Maloo R8 Ute [url= http://www.hsv.com.au/Gen-F/see/Maloo-R8/ ][/url]
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Does it have to be brand new? £8500 buys you a fully-specced iDrive '56 plate
No but I would prefer to have the 'new' car to be newer and have less miles than my current one. Currently a 13 plate with about 16k on it. The milage will likely more than triple by the time I come to sell it.
I had a B7 RS4 Avant, the V8 one. It was bought as an answer to the OP's question. Not very economical though, so not ideal for long distances. Roof bars were there if I wanted to carry lots of bikes but I could get a couple in the back with the seats down. No (approved) towbar option.
Replaced it with the V6 supercharged S4 (B8). Saloon but seats fold so a bike fits in easily. I could fit a towbar if needed. About 50% more economical than the RS and practically speaking just as quick 98% of the time. Much more comfy too.
For a money no object replacement? Dunno. XFR Sportbrake?
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i have a 520i. pretty good for getting bikes in, handles well, not that quick.
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5 Tourer driver here too, the M5 would tick all the boxes (apart from fuel costs....which is ticked by the diesel version, but not very 'exciting')
335d touring.
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As plenty of people have said AMG/RS/M5 estates can't have tow bars fitted easily or with compromising insurance hence not for me. 535d/ E350 / A6 bi-turbo cdi for me or one of the new turbo petrol look good to me.
beej - MemberI had a B7 RS4 Avant, the V8 one. It was bought as an answer to the OP's question. Not very economical though, so not ideal for long distances.
Can I just pry for a quick second (feel free to not answer here). When you buy something like that, and tax and insure it (presuming you can afford it) how or why do you worry about fuel costs? Is it just the realisation that occurs after owning it that it's wasteful or is it that you didn't factor in running costs?
I can't see me affording something like an RS4 in a hundred years, but my Legacy is probably is every bit as thirsty and uncompromising.
I didn't get rid of it because of the fuel costs - I do less than 5K miles a year (and cycle 8K!). I got rid of it because one of the DRS struts went and cost £1K to replace - and the other three would need doing at some point. It was 6-7 years old when I sold it, so more expensive bits likely to go wrong. I owned it for 2.5 years.
You are right (if I get where you are coming from) - fuel costs are minor compared to the rest, especially if you don't drive much.
Insurance was pretty cheap though - £500 per year. I live in a safe area, limited mileage, not used for work or commuting, no points on licence, don't crash. VED was about £460 I think.
Fair enough, thanks for answering. Just curious about running something like that, and fuel costs are often mentioned when people get shot of their expensive toys. Legacy is £600ish to insure which seems okay for NI rates. Tax is £230 pa. I was cycling 130 miles a week and bought it just to be "my car" for weekends and biking trips. i didn't anticipate my wife deciding two cars was a luxury and selling hers, and the legacy shitting an engine. So now it's time to go, cost of petrol is just the nail in the coffin i suppose.
Why not just combine both and you can do away with the car to get you there?
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It's a reasonable question. I once did some sums comparing two cars - the cheaper one was much less economical but the £3K difference in purchase cost would cover a lot of petrol.
I think people notice fuel costs when they own cars because you're reminded at fairly frequent intervals. I'd fill up the RS4 maybe once every 3-4 weeks, maybe £60-70. At the point of paying you think "Jeez, £70 for petrol!". You don't ever think "Jeez, £3K a year depreciation!".
EDIT in response to your edit - the two cars I were comparing were a Legacy Spec-B (cheaper one) vs a newer UK spec 3.0.
Real petrol head? Has to be the 3.2 159SW
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Regardless of the petrol cost the other downside of 'not very economical' is if it doesn't have a big tank you feel like you're stopping at the petrol station every 10 minutes.
No no no. Everyone else is wrong. The Volvo V40 is what [s]I[/s] you want.
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And besides, it must be good for mountain biking, because there are fir trees in the background.
VW T5 180BHP, or Merc Vito 3.0CDI. Had both, but now drive a "nice" Volvo V70. Hmmm.
Nissan Figaro - want to buy the wife's?
I've got an old (C5-shape 2003-plate) Audi RS6 Estate (4.2 twin-turbo V8, not the newer V10 or current V8).
I would say it was perfect for MTB-ing, but I don't want to get the inside dirty so the bike always goes on the roof. Could therefore get something smaller which was a little more nimble in the bends... but it is the perfect family car for us.
I've averaged 19mpg in the 6 years I've owned it (occasionally see 25mpg on the motorway if you're lucky).
You can fit a tow-bar easily (as far as tow-bars are concerned it's about the same underneath as a standard A6) it's just not officially allowed a tow-bar. I recall discussions on the RS forum that this is due to the weight of towing a trailer, added with the power and torque of the V8 will just destroy the fragile gearbox if driven hard... box oil cooling isn't sufficient).
Other owners have fitted one with removable tow-hitch for bike-rack duties though, but you'd have to discuss the legalities of this with your insurance company.
Buy something like this with eyes wide open (re: cost of consumables like tyres, brake discs and pads, servicing-espicially cam-belt changes and weak spots (turbo failure, gearbox failure... all possible and gearboxes are around the £4k - £5k region to get fixed by a decent independent) and then enjoy it).
I tend to like things like this as they don't look too dissimilar to a standard Estate car (unless you spot the twin oval exhausts and slightly wider-flared arches).
Kryton57 - Member
Real petrol head? Has to be the 3.2 159SW
Would look better if the photographer didn't have a wonky tripod.
If the forums are to be believed a bike will fit in the back of a tt coupe. That is probably my next car. That or I'll get a roller skate like an abarth 500
My old e92 m3 was pretty much perfect as a petrolhead/ bike car. It could take roof bars,so bikes could go on the roof, or the seats could fold down and bikes could go in the boot.
Took it down to the alps for a week of biking, perfect.
tomd - Member
I saw a Brabus Vito on a campsite in Austria last year, it was an expensive thing of beauty.
Guy Martin's volvo estate?
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How about a proper mini, take the back seats out and post the bike through the back
DT78 I used to get my bike in a mk1 TT.
Does the new-shape 3-series coupe have a hatchback or is it a saloon-type boot?
I've had two full size bikes in a TT, with climbing and kit for two - just dont expect to get it back out in a hurry....
What about a Mondeo Titanium X Sport with either the 200bhp 2.2l diesel or the 270bhp turbo petrol?
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Or if you prefer it a little more matured:
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And there will only ever be one van worthy of this thread:
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Is that the Transit with the XJ220 running gear?
A quick Google chucks this up at under £25k - 200bhp diesel, 15k miles....
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Is that the Transit with the XJ220 running gear?
Looks like it, wheels are the only visual clue that i can see....would love to spend a day driving round in that surprising other drivers.
And there will only ever be one van worthy of this thread
Although probably the best also worth a mention would be the original Ford Supervan 1* - mid engined V8 using Ford GT40 bits iirc.
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Another would be the Royal Nail, Escort van running stupid Cossie power and 4wd.
Plenty of Transit Connects running Focus ST/RS lumps too, come to mention it I quite fancy a VW Caddy with a TFSI conversion…
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Bike in a mk1 tt is fine: both wheels off.
No mudguards though.
And there will only ever be one van worthy of this thread:
Is that the Transit with the XJ220 running gear?
Although probably the best also worth a mention would be the original Ford Supervan 1* - mid engined V8 using Ford GT40 bits iirc.
Nope, there can be only one
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Renault "Espace" with a Williams F1 engine in it giving nearly 800bhp.
We have an M135i and a Skoda Yeti, seems to cover most eventualities of road, off road, load lugging and spirited fun drive
If you needed more space than the M135i I wouldn't hesitate to get a 335i touring, if budget allows i expect it would be phenomenal!
continuity - Member
What about a Mondeo Titanium X Sport with either the 200bhp 2.2l diesel or the 270bhp turbo petrol?
I am not aware of a 270bhp Mondeo. I know the new one has a 240bhp version of the petrol turbo in the current Focus ST.
djglover
I am seriously thinking about the M135i as my next car. Not quite as practical as my Focus Estate but its just about big enough for the family. I could do with the wife getting a bigger car so we can use that for holidays etc but I will cope if I need to get a roof box.
What is it like in the real world, mpg, running costs etc? Interestingly when I was getting my Focus the insurance on the M135 was cheaper.
Another van option..
Ford F150 Lightning pickup or the dodge pickup with the corvette engine...the srt 10 . Sub 5 second 0 - 60.
Espace is a bingo bus, doesn't count as a van if it has windows. 😛
Supervans are ace as well but I prefer the sleeper, Royal Nail is a good shout for that.
I've had an RS6 for 9 years. Great mtb car and nothing to replace it with except another RS6.
The tow bars do fit, I have one. The insurance comment is that the hi power cars don't have gearboxes designed for dragging trailers. Fine with a bike rack
You're all wrong, this is where it's at with vans 😉
tymbian - MemberFord F150 Lightning pickup or the dodge pickup with the corvette engine...the srt 10 . Sub 5 second 0 - 60.
Viper engine actually. Too much goofy styling on the SRT10. I think I'd rather have a 6.7 Cummins diesel.
djglover
I am seriously thinking about the M135i as my next car. Not quite as practical as my Focus Estate but its just about big enough for the family. I could do with the wife getting a bigger car so we can use that for holidays etc but I will cope if I need to get a roof box.
What is it like in the real world, mpg, running costs etc? Interestingly when I was getting my Focus the insurance on the M135 was cheaper.
Insurance is very reasonable compared to other powerful cars, I paid 600 and that was after I lost my NCB in an accident. Overall avg mpg is 32, drove London Leeds yesterday and averaged 43!
Downside is it is very small for class and not big enough for the whole family to go camping for example, so only works as a second car
Stop ****ing about you lot.
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Overall avg mpg is 32, drove London Leeds yesterday and averaged 43!
Bloody hell thats pretty good. I only get 28 for general driving and got it upto 39 on a 300 mile motorway trip. Your engine has 2 more cylinders, an extra litre capacity and 70 more bhp. I'm impressed.
I had the kids sit in the back of one at the showroom and they just about fit in, but they are only 7 & 5 so the problem was that their legs arn't long enough to sit in the seats properly. The boot is bigger than the current Focus hatch according to the mags but its probably not as good a shape.
Hi all, what's the answer then? All I see is fantasy cars and silliness 🙂
I don't think it is all fantasy cars. There have been some sensible suggestions like Skoda Octavias although I'm not 100% sure that fits the petrolhead part but I havn't driven one. A reasonably sensible Volvo and Jag have been suggested too. And even an Alfa with a big engine that is probably worth about 20p on the second hand market.
I have a Focus ST Estate, a perfectly sensible family car that happens to have a reasonable amount of power and handles pretty well.
What's your idea of the perfect compromise?
I had a b7 RS4 for 4 years, it was pure stealth, fitted a lot of stuff although wasn't fantastically massive inside. Had a towbar so could rack the bikes and put two playboats on the roof. Even loaded with 4 people and gear it would still pull like a train in 6th uphill! It was amazing. BP used to send me Xmas cards. I sold it and a little bit of me died. I now drive a van...
A petrolhead would want something that is fun, handles well and has a decent turn of speed. - CHECK
A MTBer would want something that is easy to get their bike in or on and can carry a fair amount of luggage for day trip or even a week away in the alps. - CHECK
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Those diesel Cummings trucks pump out a hell of a lot of soot, looks horrendous to be near that breathing the air, like the guys manning the start line!
Just clearing the DPF.
Porsche Cayenne Diesel S.
Massively fast, plenty of room, brilliant handling, not bad on fuel (30mpg) and 4wd with enough grip/clearance to give you the best uplift ever.
Just the question of cost 🙁