[Closed] What is it with you lot down in England

Wasn't George Galloway on Newsnight Scotland the other day?

I'd ban Shouty McSoundbite from the tele aswell.

Wasn't George Galloway on Newsnight Scotland the other day?

Gorgeous George gets very upset when people call him an English MP 😉

bencooper - Member
Wasn't George Galloway on Newsnight Scotland the other day?
Gorgeous George gets very upset when people call him an English MP

haha, that was funny(on stilts)! 😀 Sillars defo got the better of him.

Don't watch television, it'll rot your brains!

I thought the LibDems were big in Scotland, almost a Scottish party in fact......why blame England ?

ernie_lynch - Member
I thought the LibDems were big in Scotland, almost a Scottish party in fact......why blame England ?

I'm not sure why you are concerning yourself with "English" politics?

ETA:
Divide and conquer, Salmond 1 , The United Kingdom 0.

sbob - Member
I'm not sure why you are concerning yourself with "English" politics?

seosamh77 - Member
wanting to legitimise these UKIP planks? Why give Farrage the publicity(this debate is the perfect example, why does he deserve a tv debate with the deputy PM)?

Is there some secret conspiracy to give UKIP free advertising or something?

It's mental.

So you start off the thread strongly complaining about the debate and now you claim that you are hoping that it will have a positive result ? Well done.

Are you going to spend between now and the referendum in September constantly engaging in petty point scoring against the English ?

It's a democracy, he's legally entitled to have his say, just like any other legal political party.

ernie_lynch - Member
So you start off the thread strongly complaining about the debate and now you claim that you are hoping that it will have a positive result ? Well done.

Are you going to spend between now and the referendum in September constantly engaging in petty point scoring against the English ?

Cameron doesn't want the country to stay together.

And the government are terrified of UKIP because England is overpopulated by weak, ignorant, small minded, insecure, nasty little closet racsists, who they have traditionally courted themselves.

that's not representative

Since when has the government been representative?

I'd be asking the same question if there was no referendum.

What question, the thread title : "What is it with you lot down in England" ?

You think 'we lot down in England' arranged the debate ? We all got together and decided that Nick Clegg should have a debate with Nigel Farrage ? "The English" are responsible for this ?

Puerile petty point scoring. Grow up please.

I saw your post before you edited btw seosamh77.

Ernie, I don't think you could be anymore sanctimonious pedantic if you tried. 😀

It was a good debate.

UKIP speaks the language people understand.

Lib Dem speaks their own language only they can understand.

Deep down this is an island.

I vote UKIP next time.

😆

p/s: I have voted for Tories, Labour and Lib Dem in the past so voting something new this time. Not the far right though as they are simply as delusional as the far left.

Sorry? Can you repeat that please? Not sure I understood but it sounded a little like you've voted for every party going and have finally plumped for the booby prize.

There's tactical voting and then there's indecisiveness borne of idiocy.

user-removed - Member

... you've voted for every party going and have finally plumped for the booby prize.

There's tactical voting and then there's indecisiveness borne of idiocy.

Yes, I have voted all of them in the past. Label me swing voter whatever ...

I thought democracy meant you could vote for who you like? No? Whose fault is that when the party cannot convince the people to vote for them? Blame the voters? 😆

Why stick to one party? What for?

seosamh77 don't be presuming to speak for me 😉

although i'm english (part scottish too),have no time for call me nigel whatsoever.

UKIP speaks the language people understand.

Lib Dem speaks their own language only they can understand.

The problem with England is our education system. Only the hard of thinking have problems understanding the Lib Dems, leaving them on the same level as UKIP. We teach people to abandon their critical faculties.

[quote=Rusty Spanner said]Cameron doesn't want the country to stay together.

You missed out the "in my opinion" bit at the end, or at the start if you like. Because his on record position is that he does want to union to continue.

But a debate with the deputy PM? that's nuts, they've 2 seats in parliament, that's not representative

However, they have a lot of councillors and a growing membership.

Surely if a democracy is to work then a new party has to have some chance to voice it's opinions? How else would you break the current system?

Let them have a voice and then people can make their own minds up.

The Dep PM isn't that big a deal anyway.

Aren't both parties running at similar level in the polls? If so, why not give UKIP the same voice as the LDs. The beauty of freedom of speech is that it allows people to condemn themselves. "Incredibly" in this case, the papers are reporting that Farrage "won" the debate.

Yay let's make stupid trolly generalisations about 'the English'.

Or we could do it about the Scottish too - perhaps make some jokes about them all being alcoholic sectarian-obsessed deep-fried mars bar eaters? That always seems to go down well.

Odious Farage was always going to win a "debate" like that as he will just go for the lowest xenophobic denominator, ignoring incoveniences like facts (29m Bulgarians and Romanians, anyone?) and as above appealing to the hard of critical thinking. Right-wing demagogues are very good at it (except Nick Griffin as he was just too stupid).

There are certain Respect and SNP politicians that are pretty useful at using Farage's tactics too!!!

Now I've sobered up a bit I'm trying to work out if this thread is a work of comedy genius or a case of irony being lost on seosamh77. 🙂

I think it was an exercise in making sure UKIP get enough rope to hang themselves on TV.

Not sure he fully succeeded but there will no doubt be other chances.

Only the hard of thinking have problems understanding the Lib Dems,

The real problem with our education system is that no matter what we try half the population still have below average intelligence!

Right-wing demagogues are very good at it (except Nick Griffin as he was just too stupid).

If the Jocks do vote for Independence, will that mean they can't post on STW anymore?

Just wondering......!

His performance on Question Time.

The real problem with our education system is that no matter what we try half the population still have below average intelligence!

I want to see your evidence of that..

Have you any evidence for the suggestion that Griffin is stupid?

Every time he opens his mouth.

Whats with you Scottish folk, I know Salmond has taught you all to shout down opposition but the English are more civilized. Even those of us that have the burden of Scottish ancestory.

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OP shouldn't 'you lot' up there stick to making kilts, shortbread and Whisky and keep your noses out of our oil ta.

The issue is that Labour and the Cons are too divided on things like immigration and the EU to be confident of performing well in any way on this topic. But this means that UKIP are able to peddle all sorts of misinformation (as do parts of the Conservative party) that risks not being countered.

As I see it, the comment previously about giving them enough rope to hang themselves is the goal of this debate from all the main parties - basically, have the discussion, let UKIP expose themselves for what they are (xenophobes basically) and hopefully expose the various lies such as the millions of Romanians, etc who are going to flood our country and take our jobs with a view to hopefully putting the issue to bed (until the next recession at least) without actually having had to overtly put forward a position.

Farage does seem to enjoy a media profile out of all proportion to UKIP's electoral support. He's like the Davina McCall of politics programmes - every time you tune into one, he's on it. I suppose it's because he's the least preposterous of the swivel-eyed loons among his party's ranks and they can't trust anyone else to go on camera without risking headlines about Bongo-Bongo Land and gay marriage resulting in floods.

There is a serious edge to it though because, with the Tories scared of losing votes to them, and substantial swathes of the national press echoing their views, they are dictating the tenor of political debate in this country and giving it a mean-spirited, insular, immigrant-bashing, isolationist flavour. The mere fact of there being an in-out EU referendum in the offing is a victory for UKIP.

The not-entirely unrealistic prospect of a hung parliament in 2016 resulting in a Farage-a-trois with the Tories and the Lib Dems gives me the fear.

Obviously, it's a worst-case scenario, but the mere possibility of it would certainly influence my thinking if I was voting in the Scottish independence referendum.

The real problem with our education system is that no matter what we try half the population still have below average intelligence!
I want to see your evidence of that..

Surely it's a mathematical certainty that around half our population must below average and half above!

Have you any evidence for the suggestion that Griffin is stupid?
Every time he opens his mouth.

A horrible man with some pretty nasty opinions. However, as he has a degree from Oxbridge that would suggest he is certainly of above average intelligence.

You don't have to be stupid to be a "bad" person.

To consider extremists stupid because you don't agree with them is a dangerous and foolish position. Dismiss them as stupid and they you underestimate them.

Was Hitler or Stalin stupid?

mt - Member
Whats with you Scottish folk, I know Salmond has taught you all to shout down opposition but the English are more civilized. Even those of us that have the burden of Scottish ancestory.

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In 1977, Griffin went to Downing College, Cambridge, where he studied history, then law.

I didn't know that. Somehow makes him even more worrying.

Surely it's a mathematical certainty that around half our population must below average and half above!

I think that was his point, hence the ribbing..

BTW the average no of legs is about 1.98.

I think that was his point,

Yes it was meant as a joke...

A truly embarassing OP.
Unfortunately we still have 6 months of this to put up with.

Open debate is the best way to expose people and their views for what they are. Oppressing them and not giving them a platform will just galvanise underground support.

allthepies - Member

Rusty Spanner said » Cameron doesn't want the country to stay together.
You missed out the "in my opinion" bit at the end...

Because his on record position is that he does want to union to continue.

And politicians never lie, do they?

Post Blair, he now knows he can get away with basically anything without being called to account.

Legacy? Who cares?
He's protecting himself and his own.

Scotland will never vote Tory - and he's in a better position to implement even more ridiculous right wing nonsense without them.

I'm English, btw. 🙂

BTW the average no of legs is about 1.98.

In other words - most people have more than the average number of legs.

Isn't statistics fun? 😀

Top Bants OP.

bencooper, I made it up, on reflection I think it must be more like 1.99999999.

deadlydarcy - Member
Top Bants OP.

In the debate Clegg is a bit dim isn't he?

He has completely transformed Lib Dem to Lip Dim now ... 😆

God helps us if Clegg becomes PM - "make no mistake" (me think he wants to be President or something, very Obama 😆 )

God helps us if Clegg becomes PM

Not a hope, they're going to get a right bashing come the next election. He's pissed off his entire support base by being more Tory than Tory rather than Liberal.

footflaps - Member

God helps us if Clegg becomes PM

Not a hope, ...

😆 😆 😆

That's dim alright - Clegg that is.

Didn't watch the debate but it's depressing that supposedly Farage 'won' despite being called out on obvious BS like claiming that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians could come here.

claiming that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians could come here.

If he said "could" rather than "would" then he's telling the truth.

[quote=grum said]obvious BS like claiming that 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians could come here.

Devil's advocate mode.

Why is that BS ? What's to stop the entire population of Romania and Bulgaria moving to the UK 🙂

allthepies - Member

Why is that BS?

It's BS because there are not 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians living in Bulgaria and Romania, it's more like 27-28 million.

Hardly the BS of the year is it? Especially when you add on those that are living in other European countries.

It's BS because there are not 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians living in Bulgaria and Romania, it's more like 27-28 million.

28.64 million according to Wiki. Rounds up to 29 million. 🙂

Even though they chose the battleground as facts, they were both very loose when using them!

Farrage did resort to the "I can speak louder and faster than you" trick though several times - normally a give away that some (slight or otherwise) BS is coming.

The Beeb is probably right, both need publicity, both desperate to be a "deciding" player, both probably winners in that respect.

(Only one wore the purple tie, the other was an imitation. Must gnaw at him, not being part of the hidden club)

Rusty Spanner - Member

Scotland will never vote Tory - and he's in a better position to implement even more ridiculous right wing nonsense without them.

Successive tory governments have realised there are advantages to having large parts of the country that you can treat however you like without ever worrying about their votes.

What's to stop the entire population of Romania and Bulgaria moving to the UK

There's devil's advocate mode and there are stupid questions. That one is the latter.

[s]Was[/s] Were Hitler or Stalin stupid?

Hmm, I would think that "was" would be correct there. "and" would take the "were" wouldn't it?

CountZero - Member
Was Were Hitler or Stalin stupid?

FTFY
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deadlydarcy - Member
Hmm, I would think that "was" would be correct there. "and" would take the "were" wouldn't it?

FFS!Lighten up!

[s]FTFY[/s]F.T.F.Y.

F.T.F.Y. 🙂

FFS!

Indeed...