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Looking for a new frying pan for an induction hob..... disapointed with peeling teflon that loses it's non stick .... any ideas?
We've got Le Crueset. The non-stick seems to be in place after several years now.
^^ That.
I was less than impressed with our Le Crueset (NS) set, and even less impressed with their customer service. Everyone has different stories etc.
Swiss Diamond or Gastrogus. There is another brand that is good too, memory fails.
Neither are cheap etc.
Mine were hand delivered by an artisan start up in the middle of Dartmoor. They're so much better than anyone else's.
(Le Creuset, really.)
Mine were hand delivered by an artisan start up in the middle of Dartmoor
Mine were hand delivered by an artisan start up in the middle of Dartmoor AND they listen to a new band your frying pan hasn't heard of... so, Naaaaahhhh.
🙂
Does he operate from a stone shack in all weathers? Cash only? Open from 1-2pm?
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Woll titanium novo.
Been using them for more than 5 years, they're not as new, but still in good shape.
they listen to a new band your frying pan hasn't heard of... so, Naaaaahhhh.
😆
So which one of these will allow you to scramble eggs directly in the pan without sticking like shit to a blanket?
We've a set including http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-classic-nonstick-frying-pan-28cm/p230720385, in which I scramble eggs directly in and washing afterwards takes seconds with zero effort.
(edit: link to the non-stick pan!)
... and will last more than 5 or so years?
"disapointed with peeling teflon that loses it's non stick .... any ideas?"
You heating your pan too much... it's not teflon's fault... don't use teflon above 260 °C (500 °F) as it begins to deteriorate, and it decomposes above 350 °C (662 °F)
I read this while looking for our last frying pan, and our latest (generic) telfon frying pan has lasted well ever since, as I don't overheat it.
it's not teflon's fault... don't use teflon above 260 °C
So.. should I be sure to use my infra-red thermometer at all times when making breakfast?
I had a Berndes one that cost me about 90 quid, and lasted 7 years maybe? On it's last legs now, I'm gonna buy cheap and replace regularly now.
Do LeCruset do an [s]aga-[/s] [s]rayburn[/s] STWCurrentHandWhittledStoveOfChoice-mounted crane yet?
The company Vogue is in use in near every professional kitchen in the land.
http://www.nisbets.co.uk/pan-Frying-Pans/q01a5702.q60.1/Search.raction
Try here.
My leCreuset pan has been shite from day one, only use it for pan roasting meat now.
it's not teflon's fault... don't use teflon above 260 °C
[b]So.. should I be sure to use my infra-red thermometer at all times when making breakfast?[/b]
by all means, but either way, stop whining when you've ruined your own pan.
Get 2:
1. the cheapest non-stick you can live with - for stuff that really sticks
2. a cast iron one and keep it seasoned - for everything else
Feeling flush? Get yourself a Turk pan, hand forged from a single lump of carbon steel. My German Bro in Law is a top chef and he bought us one of these as a pressie as it is apparently the best (German) you can get and the favourite in the gastronomy industry. And it really is a fantastic bit of kit. Reckon it would survive a nuclear attack too 🙂
Not easy to find an online seller but found this one and to be fair the prices seem pretty reasonable for the quality of product you get. We have the 24cm one.
http://www.cookplanet.com/manufacturers/pans-turk-iron-pans/hand-forged-pans.html
We've got a gert big copper one. No idea what make but it's about 15 years old & stuff doesn't stick to it. Generally just wipe it out with a bit if kitchen roll while it's hot as opposed to actually washing it.
Best pan I have by far is a big bastard heavy cast iron skillet, that has been seasoned over the years, and is now pretty much non stick.
Cost me about a tenner from the local hardware shop.
I have a £20 cast iron frying pan. A bit around the sides is very nicely seasoned, but not the rest of it. Stuff sticks badly to it, then it needs scrubbing off, and then it's not so seasoned any more somehow.
Tried all the advice on seasoning it. Best thing seems to be fry loads of sausages and nothing else.
Something like this http://www.pubshop.co.uk/catalog/mobile/buyer-mineral-iron-frying-200mm-mp-48870.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAr4vBBRCG36e415-_l1wSJAAatjJZEQaj8JnP6ILWHlhLXXdGlmu6c6WovXyA3Ovjo_eBKhoCIKbw_wcB&redirectCancelled=true mine is now 30 years old and still going strong.
I got an expensive one from Procook it was crap got a cheep one like £14 from Aldi so far its been great.
Since Teflon is the solid version of a chlorofluorocarbon, the thermal breakdown products are not exactly great.
Learn to cook properly and buy stainless. No dietary copper or aluminium, they take a good scrubbing if you do burn them, don't need seasoning and after 20 years, my set of Stellars, whilst not looking new are still in great shape. By contrast, the mother in law has been through 3 sets of fancy pans in the same time.
Scrambled eggs though - that's the nemesis of pans. Stainless not so good for that.
Scrambled eggs though - that's the nemesis of pans. Stainless not so good for that.
Yeah, but that's what the microwave's for 😀
Nooo.
My wife introduced me to fried scrambled eggs. In her family home they crack the eggs straight into the pan and stir it all up til it's started to get a bit fried. Then the cheese goes on top as it sits to melt. Their pan though is a 70 year old cast iron one that never seems to stick.
I like to add the cheese and fry some more as I love fried cheese. But the only way I can get the eggs not to stick is to beat the eggs first then float them on top of an oil film and let the bottom half cook for a bit, omlette style - then start mashing it up. Which takes longer and generates more washing up of course.
Granted eggs are the stickiest, but I refer you to my comments about learning to cook. Scrambled eggs don't need high heat, which is what makes them stick/burn.
I refer you to my comments about learning to cook
There are much less insulting ways to make that point!
In the pans I've used, sticking does not seem related to heat. The oil film is crucial to success, because the eggs will stick to bare metal no matter what.
Apologies, it's not my intention to offend. I'm a fairly plain and undiplomatic type. Sometimes I forget to apply my people filter to what I say and write.
For frying eggs (scrambled or otherwise) i tend to use a cheap ceramic non-stick pan (from TK Maxx, where else?) which has a slightly grooved surface, a bit like old vinyl records. It's surprisingly easy to clean.
The rest of all my cooking can be done in a carbon steel wok and a cast iron pan, with the exception of sour things like tomatoes that cast iron isn't good for (food acquires a metallic taste). If I had a good stainless steel pan I could definitely skip the non-stick one.
we have one of [url= http://www.johnlewis.com/greenpan-venice-professional-ceramic-non-stick-frying-pan/p2627615 ]these[/url]. No stick, bung it in the oven, no manky bits of Teflon, clean with a scourer if need be (although normally just a quick wipe round works)
Scrambled eggs don't need high heat, which is what makes them stick/burn.
Is the correct answer.
A good helping of butter, a very low heat, and regular stirring makes delicious scrambled eggs, that don't stick even when using a standard, non-coated steel pan.
z1ppy - Member
don't use teflon above 260 °C (500 °F) as it begins to deteriorate, and it decomposes above 350 °C (662 °F)
It's also carcinogenic. Once it starts to deteriorate, I wouldn't use it. Personally I've gone off Teflon cookware entirely due to the risks. Concerned me about exotic bird deaths from overheated Teflon cookware. The vapour that comes off from PTFE is lethal to them. While not instantly lethal to humans, given PTFE is a carcinogen, I wouldn't cook with the stuff now.
Personally, good quality heavy ceramic pans. Not known to be toxic. Can get it up to higher heat safely than Teflon. Not so non stick, but with care you can avoid sticking (not so hot!) and cleans off easy anyway.
Totally agree with deadKenny. It's easy to exclude it, so why wouldn't you?
It's also carcinogenic.
No it isn't. A chemical used in the process of making it is carcinogenic (it's another acronym like PTFE, I can't remember exactly), but that chemical isn't present in the final product beyond trace levels.
If you're avoiding it for environmental reasons then that's fine, if you're avoiding it because ZOMG TEFLON CAUSES CANCER!!!1! then you're mistaken.
PFOA, just looked it up.
Jury is out on the carcinogenicity cougar. It's proven in animals but there still arguing about it in humans because it's used in loads of industrial processes, and, you know, money.
I tend to err on the side of mammalian toxicity and carcinogenicity. Because we're both mammals and animals.
Not yet proven. Cancers from such stuff turn up decades later. When it comes to carcinogens, trace levels is all that's needed to mutate a few cells. Statistically low yes, but the risk is there.
The vapour toxicity on birds though still makes me concerned. Sure, not toxic to humans, but breathing in that stuff is not natural and long term effects are unknown.
Noting there's a huge interest in the industry in not proving a link. Not that I'm normally a conspiracy theorist.
I'd rather avoid it to be safe rather than find I've been using the stuff for years and then bang here's a new study with proof and too late I'm screwed.
Besides that, there's still the fact that ceramic can take much higher heat. Teflon pans shouldn't be used for high heat cooking, as per manufacturer instructions (they claim durability issues).
Delia recommends SKK, we have three of them for 13 years and they are good. I also like Le Creuset, we have got four of them. One of which wasn't used for years because despite occasional efforts at seasoning it never stopped sticking. But the salt trick worked.
Jury is out on the carcinogenicity cougar.
No, it's not.
The "jury is out" over PFOA yes, though it's generally "believed" to be carcinogenic. But PFOA is used in the manufacturing process, it's not in the final product. (Well, as I said, there's traces, but there's traces in plenty of other things, our own bodies for a start).
The bird thing is something else, polymer fumes or some such, not PFOA.
I agree. I expressed myself badly. PFOA is indeed all over the place. It's a very powerful surfactant.
In terms of Teflon off gassing, PFOA is low. should perhaps have drawn attention earlier to the fact thats it's only one of a multitude of breakdown products from the thermal degradation of PTFE, some of which are not pleasant.
Strikes me as best practice to avoid where possible is all.
Apologies, it's not my intention to offend. I'm a fairly plain and undiplomatic type. Sometimes I forget to apply my people filter to what I say and write.
Appreciated. Will try a lower heat again tomorrow morning.
I bought a ceramic pan from Asda a while back. Coating non-stickiness didn't last long at all. One burnining episode and it was screwed.
Best thing about stainless pans is no matter how badly you burn the pan you can always use sandpaper to sand the carbon off. Well - almost always - this got recycled:
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You made your own little avian Han Solo!
Not yet proven. Cancers from such stuff turn up decades later. When it comes to carcinogens, trace levels is all that's needed to mutate a few cells. Statistically low yes, but the risk is there.
Do you know how many substances are in the International Agency for Research on Cancer's "probably not carcinogenic to humans" (group 4) category?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_4_carcinogens
I'll be buying a new frying pan soon, I will probably avoid PTFE because there are better around and I don't like the low temperature limit but I still have some old ones that get used. PFOA free is fairly common these days.
And I cook scrambled eggs in a plain old stainless steel pan and they don't stick. (OK, it's 3-ply because straight up stainless isn't very STW).
I know.. it's so sad, those little bones in there.. the promise of delicious soup destroyed, blackened, scorched..
grumpysculler - Member
PFOA free is fairly common these days.
Apparently they just use other PFAs and no proof they are any better or worse.
Anyway, carcinogen or not, other health effects are concerning.
Though we're all screwed anyway it seems as most of us have PFOAs in our bloodstream from all kinds of sources. Teflon being very minor source.