[Closed] What do you do in the evening to disconnect from stresses of work?

I can't offer any help other than to point out that it sounds like "proper" stress rather than being "a bit busy" stress. My advice would be to look for the root cause rather than tackling symptoms.

Remember - having to work overtime exists because your employer hasn't provided enough labour to do the task in time - that's not my problem.
I clock out at bang on 17:01 every day then spend a few hours each evening walking round behind my dog picking it's poo up.

I can draw parallels to what you describe and myself. I have started doing 20 mins HIIT routines each day after work, and that really helps. I try and do it as soon as I get in the door or as soon as I switch my laptop off if wfh. As it’s only 20 mins it’s easy to do (just search for joe wicks hiit on YouTube - no equipment is needed). When I’m done, I’m no longer thinking about work.

Also I found having a separate work and personal mobile helps - work mobile only on during working hours, and no teams/outlook on my personal phone.

1) one night a week band practice; some recording coming up soon.
2) gigs - either playing, usually Friday or Saturday, or watching (coming up Echo & The Bunnymen, Stiff Little Fingers, The Mission; Opera - Carmen)
3) guitar practice. Still a beginner but making progress
4) see the Christmas Airfix thread
5) a bit of telly. Typically Netflix, or various documentary channels. Right now, Sky Sports News

Have you tried Talisker?

Remember – having to work overtime exists because your employer hasn’t provided enough labour to do the task in time – that’s not my problem

We have horses and dogs - you can't lie to animals the way you can people, so they are wonderful for de-stressing. That and infinite repeats of Modern Family and Downton Abbey 😁

I get this, it's mostly not workload related, I just love what I do and I'm very passionate about it more than anything, but I do find it hard to switch off, especially when there's something bugging you from a Friday which you then carry all the way through the weekend and back in (often more than peeved off by the time I walk back in on Monday morning!)

Leave the laptop at the office as much as possible, keep work stuff on the works phone only and leave in the office if possible

Do you commute by bike? I ride an hour each way most days and although it's spinning around my head for the first 10 minutes, dodging traffic and enjoying the view along the river, it's usually run its course by the time I'm at my door

Yoga can be a great way to relax, I always found the grounding part at the start a great way to focus and switch on to other things, I dont get chance to do it as often as I like but I used to go twice weekly for 90 minutes for a year or so, never for any part of that 90 minutes did I think about work

Try cooking different / treat meals in the evenings?

Try to plan a ride with mates once a week, go for a run, even a solo ride i find once your away from the office/screen even if you are thinking about work you gain a better perspective - usually why the F am I thinking about work when I'm with my family

It's tricky as it easily creeps back in but i'd just start buy leaving the physical (PC/Phone) at work and adjusting to having more free time! It's really not worth bringing home.

Cycle home from work is what I used to do.  Burns off all the stress hormones.  So a bit of exercise in the evening if you cannot cycle to and from work.  20 mins and get your heart rate up.  Best to be outside as well

Also go for a walk at lunchtime even if its only ten mins

We need time outside and exercise.  Its essential to a well functioning body

Stress? Jesus, when I was a prison officer I’d come home, guzzle 2 cans of Stella then a bottle of red if I was off next day. If not, I’d just have the red.
Thankfully I now have a stress free job with less money.
Life’s too short for stress, & money ain’t everything.
Change jobs.

Bought a (Yamaha) electronic drum kit 18 months ago during a lot of stress. It’s been the best in-house no alcohol-no-drugs-no-stuffing-face de-stresser I’ve yet tried. It works magic. Lives in the utility room by the drier. I use a little clamped amber LED book light to illuminate the pads. Out headphones on. Play along to music via phone/aux or just practice rudiments.

Ok I still sit on my arse but 15 mins of smashing or grooving (often both) and I feel very destressed indeed.

Other stress-busting miracles that have worked:

- Cycling obvs. Commute or (if urban) just ride from home around aimlessly, exploring somewhere random, nip in a shop and grab self a Freddo bar/snax for the family/friend/partner. I find that hopping kerbs at night on a singlespeed/fixie is still fun and not muddy. Sometimes I’ll ride out to a local village for a 40 min circular-ride before bed. ‘Excuse’ is to check out the community phone-booth book exchange. Drop off a book, grab a new one, ride home. Try to read in bed fall asleep in minutes.

Other things that have worked/still work:

- 30 minute last-session swim at local pool and a stroll or ride home.

- 3 mile circular-walk around the block listening to some old favourite chilled choons on bluetooth earbuds.

Music TV Alcohol
Taken in mixed quantities depending on the day .

Primitivo, Lagrein, Cabernet Sauvignon and drugs.

Had to resort to drowsy cough mixture in the week just to get to sleep - that’s when u know it’s bad

Mostly exercise though

Mindfulness meditation stuff

It’s training your brain to focus where you want it to and dealing with feelings

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mindfulness-practical-guide-finding-frantic/dp/074995308X

DMT

A decent daily walk after dinner listening to Radio 3 and following the dog.

Whilst my work is not silly stressing, it is intellectually rewarding, and I am often called to work evenings. If I do, then it’s normally a later start the next day.

You didn’t say, but are you paid for what you produce or the hours you work. Mine is mainly the former (although I do have contractual hours). If it’s completely the latter, then down keyboard at your allotted time!

If I’m feeling lazy like this evening.

Snifter of Glenlivet reserve on the bedside.
This channel on the tablet (Night Shift activated/blue-light filter on)

What works best IME if all else fails is a dark bedroom/curtains drawn, a touch of tiger balm (the proper good stuff, made or licensed by Haw Par Corporation) rubbed on forehead and a touch under the nose then lie in dark listening to relaxing podcast* on phone speaker (not headphones, you want to lie down with no stressers/irritations)

Tend to opt for soporific rambling tales such as Unexplained

Or some ‘Brown noise’

These things will break thought-cycles. Tiger-balm/10 minute curtain-shut/alone in darkened room. Some traditional Guqin music.

I don’t think anyone has read and understood what the OP is asking TBF, just read the title and assumed they have the answer.

1. Coke

2. Hookers

I was a bit like that in my late 20s, first time having important-feeling responsibilities at work. Looking back now, I think the root cause was caring too much about work and being too emotionally invested in it. Some of the workload and expectations came from myself; I see my own work and have high/unrealistic standards - I probably cared more at times about many things than anybody else involved. Stress and voluntary overtime, much of it nobody was aware of. And for what. Didn't have a family either so it went unchecked for many years.

I watch DayZ twitch streams.

Currently its the RunningmanZ. And tbh its a lesson in patience.

He plays a character and as a professional streamer, his games usually last 7-10 hours. He can play the character, looting,scrounging the items in the game you need to survive,water+food,weapons,ammunition and clothing etc. only to lose everything and be back at square one without a single item. Just the basics a piece of fruit, a flare for lighting a fire and a heatpack.

You need to be totally accepting of your fate having gained all the parts to survive, then get killed/murdered after 5 hours on one life to have to start again. I like the way he accepts the fate of it and just gets on with things, and not going into a crazed ranting rage quit.

The guy also does sponsored charity fund raising streams, the last one was a straight 16 hours long and he raised $46,000 for UK alzheimer's research.

OP to me it sounds like you need to learn to disconnect work from home life, not just do things to mask the stress

Is it a culture of the organisation to d in long hours, or your own poor self management?

If it’s an expectation of the company, get out, they will not care about your health and the impact they have on your home life.

If it’s self imposed that’s more difficult and you may need counselling support, everything can wait job wise, not everything is your responsibility and ultimately your health and home life should be taking priority over work.

My wife has had quite a complex situation at work recently, but part of the issue was that she was thinking every cancer patient on a waiting list was her responsibility to see. It’s taken counselling for her to be able to see it is not all her responsibility and to work out the triggers and control them from when she is having rational thoughts to going into manic/stress of it’s her to solve everything.

I’m not convinced that doing high intensity training sessions is the answer as a coping mechanism. Stress itself is erm stressful and fatiguing and not sustainable long term, adding high intensity physical work out will just contribute to the burn out

Address the real issue don’t just look for sticking plasters

Reality is learn to leave work in work with reasonable working hours, and if the company won’t let you do that, then get out.

1. Don't worry about the things outside of your control.
2. Learn to manage upwards. You clearly have to much / unachievable tasks. If you are fire fighting all (or even most of) the time the system you are workt in is broken.
3. I'd you work desk based do something in the evening that is not eyes focused close and ideally physical. I chop wood.

I commute to work on the bike steadily and try to spend some time looking around as I do it (quite easy - I ride over the Humber Bridge). I've found that I can get my work thinking done on the bike and it acts as a buffer zone between home and work.
We've had quite a bit of "resilience" training and these sessions nearly always suggest exercise outside as a method of de-stressing.

It sounds like you have an unsustainably high workload - can you identify any tasks that you can delegate or pass back to your management? I think it would be a good idea for you to speak with management and explain your situation with a view to offloading some of your work; if they are unwilling to support you then it's probably time to be thinking about alternative options.
Good luck with it

Low-hanging suggestion: 10+ mins of a full body stretch/yoga (apps like Sworkit are a useful guide).

If you like it, get it to 20+ mins and simultaneously work on breathing.

I have gone through this, here are some things that worked for me.

Get rid of the work phone, use the laptop for audio and call through there, once you step away you are not contactable.

One massive one for me was having a WFH office, I used a bedroom while the youngest was still in with us, I've since built a shed to work in, being able to close the door and walk away is key.

Use a pen and paper to make notes, I often found myself planning the same things over and over in my mind to check they still made sense - rather than that plan once, make notes, then don't allow yourself to pointlessly replay things again.

I would also do my exercise at around 2pm, so like you, start early and get ahead of the day, eat at 12, then by 2 I'm ready for a run, back at 3pm feeling superhuman and with things all settled in my mind. It also teaches you that there is very little which can't wait an hour to give you time, you don't have to reply to everything as soon as its sent, or even as soon as you see it, an hour away in the day is no big deal.

In the evenings, once you are in a state of stress it's hard to not think, I would find my brain going at 100mph so I would find other things to point it at - planning a multi day hiking and camping trip, learning to swim and watching the technique videos, hit golf balls at the driving range and obsess over my swing, planning holidays. I found this better than thinking about work for a short time while the stress levels drop down and things calm down again.

All the above I think of as solutions to the overwork portion of the issue, the expectations part is different.

I have been in situations where the expectation from mgmt is that I will deliver 10 things when the reality is I can deliver maybe 2 well and say 4 if doing them badly is acceptable. As people above have said that's not my problem, that's my bosses problem, I would put that in a mail, explaining the situation, listing the tasks, suggesting which I thought were priority, and ask them to confirm if that priority was correct and I should focus on getting X completed before starting Y.

I have had expectations from clients that things which are fundamentally impossible will be delivered. Again I found explaining the situation and having that awkward conversation where you have to tell them sorry, no, you won't be getting that, that isn't what you've paid for was what I needed to do to get the monkey off my back.

Now whenever I'm faced with a situation like this I am much quicker to flag it up as its better for my mental health and it feels less awkward than saying no to something after ignoring the elephant in the room for 3 months then having to raise it, I dont think you can get around the expectations issue with distractions and coping mechanisms the same way you can the workload one.

Looking back now its almost embarrassing the things that used to get me to that stress point, objectively now my work life is more stressful, but I'm better equipped to deal with it and it doesn't even register anymore

One thing I found useful was to write a list of what I need to do the next morning so I’m not constantly think ‘can’t forget about this…’

A bit of fresh air and a stroll is definitely good. Especially if you are still working at home

I have found mindfulness good in the past but it’s more for a long term reduction in stress rather than a switch off.

While people have suggested booze - I found even having a non-alcohol beer has the right connotations in my head to help me switch off.

Lots of good suggestions already, but definitely try a few to find the one that works for you. Various doctors and counsellors keep recommending mindfulness to me, and it just makes me worse.

Certainly harder with both of us working from home, getting time and space to disconnect is much harder.

Cycle home from work is what I used to do. Burns off all the stress hormones. So a bit of exercise in the evening if you cannot cycle to and from work. 20 mins and get your heart rate up. Best to be outside as well

Good call from TJ. When I was working in the office (pre-Covid), the commute bookended my work (plus I left the laptop in the office each day anyway).

With WFH, I started doing a Not Commute - get up, do an hour's ride from my door then get home, shower and go to my desk. I'd sometimes do the same again at the end of the day. I've sort of drifted out of that habit now, a mix of boredom at riding the same local routes, the bad weather over winter etc. It was fine in the first lockdown when it was spring, nice weather and there was nothing else to do anyway. I really do need to get back into it cos it really helped.

I'm similar. The normal work cycle results in end of month reporting and forecasting.last year it was becoming too much and I really came close to cracking. I started going for a walk at 0615, aiming to get 10,000 steps in before starting work.
I wanted to get a break in the middle of the day, though this remained aspirational. I often took to doing press ups when I had a spare 5min. Sounds easy,it wasn't.
At the end of the day I rode on the turbo and watched a film or box set. If there wasn't time for that I re started building my balsa wood airplane. The plane really forced me to focus on that only and removed work from my mindset.
Later, I avoided the tv as my mind could drift back to work, but reading distracted me and this would be the pre bed routine.
I've also tried yoga abd pirates classes, these work but for me only when I could escape the house and go to a class.

Most of the above are focused on the symptoms, not the cause.

Why is your job so important to you that you accept it being detrimental to the rest of your life?

I change into dedicated lounge wear which is a mental indicator work has finished. 🙂

And also, when I’m not training on the turbo I literally do nothing after the kids are in bed. Phones and iPads are away, I just flop on the sofa and mindlessly digest whatever Mrs K puts on the TV.

I also practise mindfulness to calm my thinking down, as my mind is as active as the op’s. One things I learned from cbt is not to chastise yourself for a busy brain, doing so increases stress and anxiety. Just accept it and continue with your relaxation methods.

but my mind always drifts back to work. Sometimes checking work emails.

IT discipline. I have a work phone separate to my personal phone, my work phone is turned off when I get home (personal phone doesn't come to work) & my work laptop stays at work.

Don't dip back into work when home.

I think it was mentioned above, I find that a 5-minute wash-up of the day is invaluable before finishing work. I just write notes - what time I have meetings next day, what the main things are that feel like priorities, nagging issues, etc. Even noting down things I'm quietly putting off helps me to feel like I'm on top of them even if I still need to do them.

Longer term I find doing things like this encourages me to keep taking a step back from the work to appraise it, and get it in perspective. Particularly things also mentioned above like workload, managing up/delegating, etc.

Then I ride home!

You can't lifestyle your way out of a situation like that, nor should you have to. You're overworked and overstressed, and that's because your management is abusing you. That's what you need to address. Because if you don't, they will keep doing it thinking you're ok with it.

I think the root cause was caring too much about work and being too emotionally invested in it. Some of the workload and expectations came from myself; I see my own work and have high/unrealistic standards – I probably cared more at times about many things than anybody else involved. Stress and voluntary overtime, much of it nobody was aware of. And for what.

I can definitely relate to this. One thing that has really stuck with me is the section of this video between around the 2nd and 4th minute. The subject of the video isn't directly relevant, but remembering that each hour of your life you spend working is an hour you will never get back is a good way to motivate yourself to switch off from work and do what you actually want to do with your life.

I find I am not short of ideas of things I would like to do with my evenings, rather I too often lack the mindset to recognise that the right thing to do is to forget work and do things for me.

Get the girl, kill the baddies and save the entire planet.

Video games and exercise.

1. Do you like what you do?
2. Do your management expect this, or even know it's happening?
3. If you worked less hard would anyone care, or would they just work round. This might not be management inflicted
4. What do you want from your job?

I have to work some weekends and evenings, I have a pretty hefty work budget and expectations, but the upside is that some of it is interesting enough to make the rubbish worthwhile. Personally I think you're wise to do some exercise in the morning and I do that as well. In the evenings, exercise, mainly climbing , as it very much pulls your attention away, so I'd suggest some efficient exercise and do stuff with your family.
I'd advise NOT going to alcohol, or frittering time away on the TV or youtube as you'll get to a point of thinking 'what have I done today', and TV, youtube will likely look a waste of time.
If you don't like what you do, and dont see an end in sight , change jobs and fast. You sound very stressed,

I find that spending the last 15 mins writing a list of the things I need to do the next day. I know it sounds counterintuitive, if I can finish the day by having a clear picture of what I’m doing the next day, it helps me just put it away until the next day.

I don’t know your specific circumstances, but I think you need to learn to apply segregation between your work and non-work life, and be smarter about how you apply your skills in your current role. Also, I suspect you may suffer from imposter syndrome. Have a think about that, as it can make good people burn themselves out. Here’s my advice. YMMV.

Number one - stop checking email in the evenings. I used to be a sucker for this myself when I was busy. You get into a false mindset whereby you convince yourself that; by batting away work in the evening, somehow you’re going to make tomorrow more manageable. You won’t. It’ll hardly make any difference, but you’ll always be exhausted, stressed, and feel on high alert. Unless you work in a job where someone might die if you’re not checking email out of hours, turn that sh*t off. You need to very consciously decide that when you shut the lid of that laptop at the end of the day (whenever that is) you’re done. Also, FYI it makes YOU look out of control to your peers if you’re forever replying to emails at night.

Secondly, don’t be a hero. Only take on tasks where your specific and unique skills allow you to add value beyond that of your colleagues. Businesses rely on heroes but they’re unhealthy for both parties. It’s unhealthy for you, as you end up burnt out, chasing your tail, trying to do everything because you think you’re the only person who can do a job correctly. It’s bad for the company too, ‘cos when you finally get fed up and hand in your notice, they’re f*cked. Place a bit more value on your skills and ability (…not just your capacity to take on work) and use this wisdom to decide whether you should be taking ownership of a task. Ultimately, unless your name’s above the door, if plates smash and you know you’re delivering value against what your employer brought you in to do, it ain’t your problem.

So, try that ^. Put some boundaries in place. Stop trying to be the hero. Value yourself. Focus your efforts on where you can best add value.

Good luck, and if it all falls to sh*t, leave. Life’s too short to let work make you miserable. There are always other jobs out there, and believe me - it doesn’t take much to stand out from the competition if you’re a driven individual (…which by the sounds of things you are)

Also, wear sunscreen.

I suffer a bit with this. Had a great conversation with one of our directors recently who reminded me ‘it’s only a job’

I think there is a thing that we all want to be respected at work, well paid and have a fulfilling home life.

I’ve recently had to make the effort on the last one. I’ve got much more involved in scouting and it’s really helping me to remember I have an office me and a home me.

What do you want to do to fulfil yourself?

I have no problem whatsoever switching off as soon as I log off - and don't check emails out of hours.

I didn't use to be like this, but getting laid off (and not for the first time) in 2009 was the eye-opener as I'd only months before got a big payrise and bonus for doing a brilliant job (global team of 50). And then the company decided to change tack...

Since then I've worked my hours and done my job in the time available - anything else isn't my problem. I am though an SME in my field, and mid 50's, so coming to the end of my working life - and not interested anymore about climbing the 'ladder'.

And night-riding - when I'm riding nothing is in my mind but riding, and when night-riding on the MTB all I'm focusing on is what's in my lights.

I'm probably going to be controversial. No not trolling... But OP says:

I just love what I do and I’m very passionate about it more than anything, but I do find it hard to switch off,

...so can't live like them, but I know and have worked with a fair few successful (in career terms, but not notably to the detriment of other areas) people who live their lives like this, with work fairly constant and bleeding into everything (including academics, politicians, business folks etc).

So just go with it could be an option?

I just love what I do and I’m very passionate about it more than anything, but I do find it hard to switch off,

I resemble that comment. When work is a vocation it becomes defining. I’m a scientist and a geek. That is who I am. And you don’t switch off really. Mrs TiRed moans that very dog walk becomes a COvId discussion. She’s very forgiving.

But then by early afternoon as I’m trying to manage the workload I start feeling stressed, anxious, knot in the chest etc etc all over again.

That doesn't sound good at all and almost certainly isn't doing you any good.

Can you raise this with your line manager / HR?

I suspect the solution is reducing the work load....

Getting home at 7 when you have kids sucks and by the sounds of it so does the job. Look for a new one and have a better life.

If you're work is stressing you out up to 50% of the time and it's affecting your home and personal life, is it not time to look for alternative work where you aren't as stressed all the time?

Does your line manager know the huge impact it's having on your life, saying that do they even care or acknowledge it, if not I refer you to point 1.

Solve the root problem before you start applying a band-aid / plaster to hide the issues.

I struggle with this a lot, although maybe not as much as I used too.

When I took my first ever CBT course this was one of the topics. One of the things that was suggested to me was to make sure the first thing I did when I got home was change out of whatever I was wearing for work that day and into something fresh. This helped me disconnect from work, and I found it worked.

Other than that, you need to make some time for something other than what you have mentioned above. Even if it is only 20-30 minutes.

NEVER EVER check work emails or regularly do additional work out of office time. (unless you are being paid specifically additional for it).

When i had a role that had stress manifest itself like yours (always worrying about what needed to be done, affecting moods, wellbeing) I got a different job.

Life is too short.

What you have is stress. So do start having the conversations with your family and with your work about what it might take to slowly move away from that situation. Even if you get 2 weeks where the workload isn't there, that's not enough time to recover from the previous stressful period and it just accumulates. It may be your managers aren't aware of your workload and you are putting too much pressure on yourself, or if they are the ones putting unrealistic expectations on you, it's time for a frank chat. It is not sustainable and do not ever feel guilty for not 'managing' an unrealistic workload.

I've had a period where I felt I couldn't control my workload or stress at what the job required from me. I too was lucky that I could leave the job, supported by my partner I moved on to something a bit different.

In the short term while you work on a better work-life balance through either changing your requirements at work or potentially changing jobs, do consider the exercise suggestions seriously. I found pre-covid my 35 minute cycle commute really took my mind away from work. I'm now trying Couch to 5K for the umpteenth time, immediately after work. To get to sleep, try mindfulness or podcasts. If neither work and you find your mind wandering, count from 1 to 100, then do it again and again. Each time your mind wanders, as soon as you become aware your not counting, go back to the last number you remember and start again. Don't get annoyed just focus on the counting and you'll eventually go. And try to avoid alcohol and caffeine.

Good luck OP. The impacts of work-related stress on people's lives, wellbeing and happiness is massively underestimated IMO.

It doesn't sound like a very sustainable situation. You may hit a wall at some point and be unable to go on.

Speaking more generally, it's not uncommon for people to burn out as they get older. Many jobs use young people up like matches; my previous career in oil & gas was a case in point.

If I can offer some advice it's that there's no shame in doing something else even if it's lower pay and status. It's certainly unhealthy to be held hostage by a job for purposes of money or identity. This is why people crack up eventually due to work stress.

What do you do in the evening to disconnect from stresses of work?

Watch Chinese or world history from various perspectives on YouTube. Fascinating as the world repeats itself.

Also they way some of the experts narrate the past make me sleep ... so so soothing.

write down what needs to be done tomorrow before shutting work computer down so the to-do list you normally think about when you go to bed is already done

Unfortunately I have teams and outlook on my work phone so can see the notifications pile up through the evening, turned them off mostly but I still have a separate private phone for now.

cycle home

yoga helped me when i was doing it

weed and booze

learn to realise when you are having imaginary work arguments and stop it

I know and have worked with a fair few successful (in career terms, but not notably to the detriment of other areas) people who live their lives like this, with work fairly constant and bleeding into everything (including academics, politicians, business folks etc).

So just go with it could be an option?

Describes my fiancee - academic - to a tee. Does my head in sometimes, but I (most of the time) manage to accept its just who she is.

I also used to get mega stressed about work, but I found (a) going to a 4-day week; and (b) getting better at my job, helped massively.

The latter probably sounds arrogant, but its not meant too - I've just been in my role for 4 years now and while it can still be challenging and stressful, I'm confident enough to know that if anything goes completely tits up, chances are it won't be my fault and I'll be able to handle it as well as anyone could expect of me.

I've also learned it's not unreasonable to sometimes leave on time even if something is blowing up.

It doesn’t sound like a very sustainable situation. You may hit a wall at some point and be unable to go on.

Speaking more generally, it’s not uncommon for people to burn out as they get older.

Yup - My missus did really badly - she didn't work over her 35 hours but she cared so much and tried so hard that in the end the gulf between the service she wanted to provide and the service she was able to provide with the resources she had available broke her completely.  Took a year to recover

Happened to me as well - promoted beyond by capabilities / skill set.  Again I didn't really go over my hours but it did fill my thoughts outside of work a fair bit.  I didn't realise how badly I was stressed until I quit.  the day I quit I felt ten feet tall with the weight gone

Nothing is worth a job that makes you ill

Weed and booze is a really bad idea if you are stressed.  It may help in the moment but all you are doing is putting a sticking plaster on and giving yourself the potential for further issues down the line

If you want a company to look after you, become a shareholder, not an employee. Gone are the days with jobs/careers for life. Just remember, if the SHTF in companies nowadays, they would drop you like a hot potato.

So in that vein, log on at 8, log off at 4. And in the intervening time between 16.00 to 08.00, thats my time. I go mostly mountain biking (surprisingly being on a MTB forum).

Seen too many redundancies at companies lately which resembled the Hunger Games to give 2 flying xxxx's about anyone i work for. Always on the look out for someone who will pay me more.

As others have said, you need to switch off.

Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. The more you do, the more theyll expect you to do and lastly, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

i play squash. i always book a game for 16:20 so i have to down tools at 4pm and leave. it helps maintain a definitive end of the day, which is something the employers encourage tbf. if i dont turn up or im late its letting other people down, as oppose to walking the dog or riding my bike which i can just delay... i dont tend to play on wednesdays and as such inevitably just carry on working. never had any issues logging off at 12:30 on friday though, and work generally wont enter my head again till monday.

After almost 2 decades of BS DRUGS off the doc to treat depression I took matters into my own hands and started to make and micro dose my own DMT.

Was a revelation.added bonus was to listen to Terrence McKenna podcasts explaining the meaning of life as I drift off to sleep

Need be careful with it tho.

Weed and booze just caused more problems.