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See loads of threads where people say "Good" mpg, what do you mean??
For me good starts at 50 (I'm guessing about 15p/mile http://www.fuel-economy.co.uk/calc.shtml), whats your number?
Car?
Van?
Motorbike?
Petrol or Diesel?
For me on a family hatch diesel car I'd say at 50 yes but if I was getting that low I'd be worried.
Depends on the car...in my 4.2 S4 estate I'm pretty chuffed if I get 23mpg 😳
Something more sensible, then I'd say 45mpg.
Car?
Van?
Motorbike?
Petrol or Diesel?
doesn't matter, how much are you happy to spend per mile?
Yeah, skoda rapid 1.5 diesel - anywhere from 50-65 depending on how much of the journey is motorway/A9 and how much is urban/B road.
I get 12p a mile, which is just about 50mpg to break even, so anything better than 50 is 'good' for me.
mcobie - Member
Depends on the car...in my 4.2 S4 estate I'm pretty chuffed if I get 23mpgSomething more sensible, then I'd say 45mpg.
thats the question though, why is 23 good because it's x y or z?
50+ in my Passat I guess. If I get 600 miles out of a tank I'm usually quite happy.
Car does 50-55mpg most of the time, which I'm happy enough with, it's not amazing but then it's a big car with a decent engine. It can go higher if I'm careful or lower if I'm having fun, happy with that too. (ironically giving it an extra 30bhp has also improved its economy, though possibly worsened its emissions per litre)
In my current car anything below 55mpg is poor, 55-58 is pretty easily achievable and 58+ is achievable with care.
Unless my commuting habits dramatically change, I woulnd't be happy with car that couldn't easily achieve 55mpg.
mikewsmith - Membermcobie - Member
Depends on the car...in my 4.2 S4 estate I'm pretty chuffed if I get 23mpgSomething more sensible, then I'd say 45mpg.
thats the question though, why is 23 good because it's x y or z?
It's all relative I guess. I knew that car would be rubbish on fuel, but I wanted it anyway and it's not as "bad" as I thought it would be which is where the "good" comes from.
As long as the enjoyment of driving it is more then the hurt of filling it up then all's good 🙂
40+ for long journeys.
but then I don't have a car, but that's what I'd aim for in a hire car and I have a bit of a lead foot and sit at 80-90 mph on the motorway as anything else feels like I'm going backwards.
Corsa'll get within sniffing distance of 60mpg, if I'm careful. I call that quite good (if that's one level above plain "good"?).
My current car (Alfa 147 1.6 petrol) averages 40mpg and I'd be unhappy driving anything that does less than that. For a diesel I'd be expecting 45 to 50 mpg.
I'm pleased with above 55mpg, happy with 60-70mpg, delighted with over 70 and disappointed with below 50 in my Skoda Fabia tdi.
For my day to day vehicle, 50ish. My Mondeo 2.0 diesel is on 48.9 over the last 20,000. I can live with that.
I get about 35 in both cars, but they're both high powered petrol motors so it's my own fault.
My father in law has a V8 S4 as mcobie's, accelerating uphill I've seen the computer dip into single figures!
if my fuel costs are less per month than the council tax then i'm happy.
van is 33/35 - 40 would be nice
car is 22/30 - 40 would be amazing (i towed a caravan back from a race meeting for someone once and it was averaging 8mpg on the m11)
bike is 50mpg and it doesnt matter at all, it could be 19 and i wouldn't mind
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yep, 6mgp
Highly modified R32
yep, 6mgpHighly modified R32
and quick reckoning says 98p/mile!! Wow
It was bought purely for fun and limited use. Goes like stink! so does the fuel though!
and quick reckoning says 98p/mile!! Wow
Better value than a London bus then.
It's got to depend on power/performance/fuel use. For me even if a diesel shit box did 100mpg it wouldn't be good as I wouldn't want to drive it. 30mpg+ on a petrol producing more than 250bhp and 0-60 of around 6 seconds would be of interest though.
I'm lucky if I get 41mpg and I'm only in a tiny 1.6 Fiesta Zetec S 🙁 feels like it needs a 6th gear for motorway driving as the revs are quite high. Definitely going to look into a new car in the new year!
For those people quoting 50+, for one long motorway journey perhaps, but long term - no chance
I used to have a diesel octavia and whilst 600 from a tank was achievable, more realistic in day to day driving was 520, which is about 43 mpg.
My car will do 40mpg on a run now, but the long term average is 32mpg. Thats a 4p per mile premium to go from a 140bhp Diesel to a 320bhp petrol, that will get you to 60 in 4.5 seconds...if you ask me, thats a bloody bargain!
I got the motorbike down to 14 at one point... That turned out to be the same point at which you can no longer do a full trackday at knockhill and still make it to the nearest petrol station afterwards 😳
6? I had a very highly modified VR6 that was good for mid teens, saying that is would often drop to low single figures the way I used to drive.
Anyway, 240bhp and 400lb/ft Fabia vRS my overall is 50.4 but if I crawl at 60mph on the motorway I can get mid seventies.
Gribs - Member
It's got to depend on power/performance/fuel use. For me even if a diesel shit box did 100mpg it wouldn't be good as I wouldn't want to drive it. 30mpg+ on a petrol producing more than 250bhp and 0-60 of around 6 seconds would be of interest though.
Thats what I don't get though, might just be me but why throw money away when most people just sit in traffic?
0-60 could take 30 minutes on some of my commutes...
About 50mpg. I probably get less than that but that's because I don't drive with a light as foot as I could.
Most of the time though I get infinity to the gallon because I cycle to work every day and go shopping on my bike. It's amazing how easy it is to make a bike your primary form of transport.
Petrol 105bhp Roomster - can get around 50 mpg if I'm sensible but mostly around 45 and sometimes lower when I'm getting naughty with the speed.
djglover - Member
For those people quoting 50+, for one long motorway journey perhaps, but long term - no chance
What if 90% of your journeys are done on dual carriageway/motorways...? Like mine.
Although saying that, even on an a-road I'd be disappointed if I wasn't getting around 55mpg if the journey is any decent distance.
Worst mpg I've seen from my car over a tank full was 46mpg when we went camping in Cornwall; the car was loaded with camping gear, 2 bikes on the roof and I wasn't hanging around. Brim to brim calcs too, not relying on the computer jobby.
djglover - Member
For those people quoting 50+, for one long motorway journey perhaps, but long term - no chance
the octavia would do 48 overall, much more on long motorways but the average was never that much less than that. I was annoyed when it was lower that 50 as it was a waste of money.
The transit used to be 32ish which I conceded as acceptable due to providing free accommodation when we went away.
The current pig is 25-28 which is really appalling even though fuel is much cheaper in Oz it still hurts.
Cars nowadays you really want 50+
Vans should really be 40+ unladen (I get 37 in a 13 plate VW T5 and drive like a **** everywhere, should really get it remapped)
Motorbikes...who gives a shit, the fun you have far outweighs any fuel cost.
The long term trip on my car shows 36.7mpg after two years of driving it (reset when i got it, not reset since).
Considering it's a sub 6sec to 62mph and a 155mph limited estate car, that ain't too bad i think.
maxtorque - Member
The long term trip on my car shows 36.7mpg after two years of driving it (reset when i got it, not reset since).Considering it's a sub 6sec to 62mph and a 155mph limited estate car, that ain't too bad i think.
Go on explain why, how often do you do 155mph? When do you do 0-62 in 6s? If you could half your fuel bill would you?
Seem to be averaging c.28mpg from my VW Scirocco R (albeit with a very lite right foot)!
VW California 180bhp seems to be doing low 30's mpg which i think is reasonable considering the weight of the thing!
The hybrid pool cars we have at work normally average about 60mpg on mixed journeys, go over 100mpg on the motorway and even if I boot it constantly, it seems to struggle to get under 40mpg. All indicated, obviously.
of course, they're appallingly slow.
If the cost of driving to work and back is less than the cost of getting the train then I am happy. Who wants to sit in a carriage full of other people with their germs, earphones spitting tinny noise out, terrible phone ring tones, general ignorance towards other human beings and body odour? So I am happy with my 55ish mpg thanks.
I'm happy getting 36-38mpg in the Clio. Over 40 can be done quite easily, but feels like driving Miss Daisy
6yep, 6mgp
Highly modified R32
Surely that depends on how its driven?
I tracked a Civic Type-R and got through 50 litres in 75 miles (3 x 20 minute sessions) which works out to be about 7mpg yet my current car has the best part of 600bhp and will get 30ish mpg on a motorway cruise.
I have a 320d BMW that has done 49mpg for its first 27k miles since Jun 12 - I think this is pretty good
I am also selling a Porsche 996 turbo that can approach 30 on a run and regularly get 25 mpg - I think this is amazing for a 420bhp car!
25 is good for my e39 520i, wouldn't mind but it's not even like its particularly quick. 🙁
Our 2.0 Diesel MPV – Motorway trip trundling at 60mph = 58-60mpg, avg combined rural/urban being careful more like 43-45mpg, heavy foot combined more like 35-38mpg
1.6 petrol french warm hatch – motorway trundel = 49-52mpg, avg combined 43-45mpg, heavy foot combined 32-35mpg
I can make the french hatch go into single figures briefly if I go to limiter on a steep hill but I guess that's doable in most cars.
Overall avg 23mpg 2.5L petrol
35mpg average from my 335d.
So not great but I'm happy with it vs the performance. Sure I don't do 155mph or 0-60 from every set of lights but that's not all the power brings to the experience.
Live and let live not everyone has to drive as slow as possible to save fuel. Some people actual enjoy driving nice powerful cars and don't just see it as transport from A to B
in my old Seat Ibiza 1.9D i used to get over 65mpg if i trundled everywhere at 60mph and just took it easy. that was calculating between filling up (full tank). actually quite relaxing just trundling along.
i remember the GF and i went up to Scotland from London for two weeks. we ragged that car along the glens and around the hills and i was still getting high 40/low 50 return. and that car was built in ´97.
modern cars are only just hitting that despite all the new electrical gubbins. why not
mikewsmith - Member
maxtorque - Member
The long term trip on my car shows 36.7mpg after two years of driving it (reset when i got it, not reset since).
Considering it's a sub 6sec to 62mph and a 155mph limited estate car, that ain't too bad i think.Go on explain why, how often do you do 155mph? When do you do 0-62 in 6s? If you could half your fuel bill would you?
Even when you only care about cost, although those high numbers from diesels sound great they aren't always the best option.
I only get around 40mpg average (commute + a few longer journeys) from my petrol car, but the car cost at least £2K less than the equivalent diesel to buy. A diesel getting 55mpg would be about 3p a mile less at today's prices, but that means it will take nearly 70000 miles to recoup the £2k. And the car won't be as nice to drive in the meantime either.
I seem to get pretty much 10 miles for every litre I use and that is a C5 tourer mostly around town/edge of town. That is filling the tank not computer figures based on 600 mile fillups.
Anything around 40mpg average is very good. I have one car which will do that and better on motorway and one where mid/upper 20's is possible if I take care, interestingly if I don't it still returns low 20's and I'm happy with that.
VR6 and R32 guys those must be some mods !
Goes like stink! so does the fuel though!
Does it actually burn it or you you pressurise it with petrol then let of off like a bottle rocket?
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60 + ish for my 1.4 litre diesel but rarely over 2000 revs or 60 mph
Mainly Mway though
45 on a run and late 20's around town. That's a 6cyl petrol so I'm more than happy with that.
As already discussed so many ways to cut this. Extra cost of a diesel and annual mileage etc. Also, on a NA petrol there's no turbos, DPF filter, EGR clog less easily etc. especially if running a car out of warranty and repair costs are a concern.
I run at 17.2pence per mile (over 1 year). That is for a 4.3litre beast of a lexus, but running on lpg. Cost could be less if I didn't occasionally have to fill it with lpg at the local garage which is 10p per litre more than the ones near work.
I do almost no motorway miles, and only 12 miles or so of dual carriageway on my commute, but over 50 miles I rarely drop below 60 - a couple of junctions, 2 sets of traffic lights, and a toll bridge.
In terms of costs of diesel v petrol (or indeed lpg) that assume syou are buying new. My car was £66k new (still have the receipt) - I paid well under 10% of that, and it came ready converted. In my mind that makes for comfortable and relatively cheap motoring.
41 in my 1.8 diesel S Max. I had hoped for a bit more TBH.
Never less than 63mpg in the winter, and 69mpg in the summer, logged over a period of 6 years now. Less town driving than most, mix of A roads and occasional long motorway journeys.
For one glorious summer it seemed to stick at 73mpg, but done nearly 100k miles now so probably less frugal than it was.
We average 46mpg in our insignia estate diesel. I'm over the moon with this as I came from a mid 20's petrol turbo, but i agree there has to be a balance of fun v's economy.
I would like to hear more about the R32 though.. 8)
I'm always happy with our 330 which does mid 20's around town and 30 and a bit on a longer run (motorway and fast country lanes).
However I'm permanently disappointed in my diesel Fiesta that just about scrapes 54 despite a claim of 67 and getting an easy life on the motorway sitting at around 70. Not only that but it sounds horrible and stinks when it's started up.
I took my step uncle's RS6 for a boon in the summer and that used super at an alarming rate. Although it was fun doing so!
People often bring up the the can't drive at 155 mph argument but it's not just about that the ability to pass slower cars safely is great as is the other stuff that comes with those kind if cars like the noise they make.
I get 50-55mpg from my Merc 250cdi, used mainly for motorway miles, and I'm fairly happy with that. My other half gets 29 mpg from her XC60 2.4D but is used mainly for urban, I was hoping for slighlty better.
My berlingo gets about 40 mpg I think.
Alpin. Emissions control and the need for speed
I had a 1.8d mk3 95 fiesta that would do 55mpg plus driving arbroath to aberdeen daily.... Did 120000miles with me and my dad and never missed a beat- had 200 k on the clock when we scrapped it due to corrosion. Loved that car. Only had 60bhp
My vans a 1.9d and only does 40mpg but it also carries alot more , has crumple zones , airbags and a dashboard.... - the gearstick doesnt just come through a hole in the floor .....
Im happy with anything over 40mpg tbh but then my 4x4s im happy enough around 20-25mpg as they are an occasional second car / winter snow car or for when we both needs cars in town for meetings and the like and when they are needed in winter for negotiating snow to the main road they do their job well.
My car does about 40mpg at best, averages more like 35mpg. It's not slow but it's not proper fast but it is capacious, was cheap and is reliable and we do pretty low mileage, maybe 5000 miles a year. Changing to a car that did 50mpg would save us £250/year but at what cost to depreciation or speed?
Are all these mpg figures from trip computers or petrol pump + odometer calculations? I've noticed a massive discrepancy between the hopeful computers and harsh reality...
maxtorque - Member
The long term trip on my car shows 36.7mpg after two years of driving it (reset when i got it, not reset since).
Considering it's a sub 6sec to 62mph and a 155mph limited estate car, that ain't too bad i think.
What about your other one?
2.0 diesel Berlingo. I'm happy if I achieve more than 10 miles per litre, so 45mpg. I would say I always do.
My Kia Rio 1.4 diesel has averaged 53.7 mpg since ive owned it , and i now has just over 9000 on the clock , which im very happy with 😀
70 miles round trip A road and motorway then town 58 to 70 depending on road conditions
1.4 tdi
I average used to average 37 mpg in my 2.2 TDCi SMax and mid 40's for a long run. It's a bit less now I've got roof bars on it...maybe about 5 or so percent worse. But I don't drive it particularly economically. The wife's Fiat 500 1.4 petrol gets about mid 50's, but has a tiny fuel tank so feels line you're at together petrol station alot.
In the Cinq or the Abarth 50 is easily achievable, but then so is 11 (Hexham - Penrith via Hartside in "making progress" mode). Generally the Abarth'll average 37. The KTM does about 45 when touring. I'm pleased when the Yeti does 40.
Our diesel Bluemotion Golf has averaged 50mpg over the last 12k with 70% of the journeys being country lanes and not long. Long motorway journey doing 80mpg returns 53mpg while a long steady A road trip will hit 60mpg fiarly easily averaging about 50mph.
XC90 on the other hand returns 31mpg 😐
Currently getting 51mpg from a Focus 1.6 TDi Eco, around 90% motorway miles.
I had it up to 57mpg at one point but that was driving very carefully, I could possibly improve it but I constantly forget to use the stop/start thing.
mrhoppymaxtorque
The long term trip on my car shows 36.7mpg after two years of driving it (reset when i got it, not reset since).
Considering it's a sub 6sec to 62mph and a 155mph limited estate car, that ain't too bad i think.
What about your other one?
er, less good........ (currently on Gallons per mile 😉
Got a 2004 Transit T300 camper van conversion. Averaged 39-40mpg over the last year and a half. Not particularly trying either, but I do very little town driving, I'm dead chuffed with that, not bad for a vehicle that size.
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Previous was terrible, Hyundai Trajet 2 litre petrol, 25mpg on a good day, saved loads on fuel, insurance and repairs since I got rid.
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Both odometer/pump calculations over a couple of tanks, no computer in either vehicle. I check it every now and again, can been a early sign of something needing checking/adjusting if goes down.
I've just filled up my tank and it works out at 58.4 mpg, that's the worst I've seen since I bought the car 17500 miles ago.
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I'd trade my 50mpg diesel for a 30mpg petrol any day of the week if I could!
Low 30s from Mazda 6 petrol, which I guess is less than expected and thus disappointing, though admittedly I don't drive nice but don't really care as drive less than 10k miles pa.
bainbrge - Member
Never less than 63mpg in the winter, and 69mpg in the summer, logged over a period of 6 years now. Less town driving than most, mix of A roads and occasional long motorway journeys.For one glorious summer it seemed to stick at 73mpg, but done nearly 100k miles now so probably less frugal than it was.
What car?
To all those pissing a precious resource up the wall just for fun - thanks. No really. We didn't need it for anything else, oh no.
Quite right molgrips I hope they have a clear conscience when their grandkids have no fossil fuels to use because people drove stupidly thirsty cars so they can get to 60 about 3 seconds faster than most others.
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yep, 6mgp
Highly modified R32
Really? On the strip?
My friend's 600bhp 4motion was in the 20s
Octavia diesel miser spec gives 60mpg. Don't think I'd take less than that now, before children and single incomes I drove a turbo rotary, maybe 14mpg.
25-30 urban and 35-50 motorway. Not got the lightest foot either. 2.5 Jaguar 4wd x type
2.0 mondeo auto I had before it got under 30 on the motorway which I hated!
Atleast my fuels paid for..
Quite right molgrips I hope they have a clear conscience when their grandkids have no fossil fuels to use because people drove stupidly thirsty cars so they can get to 60 about 3 seconds faster than most others.
Someone doing 15k a year in a diesel shit box will use far more fuel than I do in my 25mpg petrol. They'll also release far more harmful pollutants. Btw breeding is about the worst thing you can do if you care about the environment.
So Gribs I would be better using my wifes 30 mpg vtec honda auto than my (diesel shitbox, 45 minimum mpg) to help conserve fossil fuels, tell me how that works then.
25mpg if I drive normally, 33mpg if I stick to a max of 55mph and don't take it above 2000rpm through the gears, sub 20mpg if I exploit the acceleration when it's safe to do so but i mostly save it for track day fun.
I'm not that fussed bout' the mpg, the car is 30 yrs old and I've had it for 5yrs, guess it's cost me around £5k + the £2k initial cost of the car so I figure as it will only (hopefully) go up in value if I keep it in good condition, I'm not really losing out with the poor mpg or so I tell myself .
If I could afford it I'd love a chipped Fabia vrs or a mk2 golf tdi conversion but that's not gonna happen so ill stick wi my old mk2 16v.