[Closed] What do meat eaters think about this?

I think pork and chicken are meat.
And that scantily clad female in the lightinthebox advert is pretty hot.

I think meat is tasty 😆

I reckon that vegetarians generate more gas than all the cows in the world (must be all the omelettes), thus disproportionately contributing to global warming. And the ever-burning fires of self-righteousness add yet more

Go on... kill it and eat it.... you know you want too, really .... why fight it...... 😀

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I spend most of the week not driving a car, so at the weekend I can eat BEEF!

I eat meat, fish and vegetables, which category should I be aligning to?!

I was actually hoping the "emissions" in your quote were bottom emissions, in which case meat eaters win 😉

I don't drive stupid cars, I conserve energy where I can and I reduce my impact on the planet in many ways. Meat is tasty it's my compromise.

I mostly provide my own meat supplies. Bit of rabbit in a curry, lovely.
If a good portion of the world wants to eat meat then it can only be supplied in an industrialised manner. Lots of antibiotics and other drugs, questionable welfare but it coming to a store near you.

Binners, you missed the farty lentils.

My wife was vegetarian for years for just this reason- it doesn't really make sense to eat meat in terms of energy in/out and CO2 emissions.

She isn't a vegetarian anymore because it's too tasty.

I think I don't care that much. Meat is tasty, and farts are amusing.

Couldn't care less. hth

[i]I know what vegetarians think[/i]

That's a bit of an assumption, isn't it?

There's a lot of reasons why people don;t eat meat that aren't related to cO2 emissions?

Whenever I ride past Lambs/Ewe's I think about Mutton and Lamb. Everytime. I'd happily kill a Lamb if shown properly how to carve/butcher it.

Same with chickens, especially the ones that live behind my house somewhere. I'd throttle them all.

How does that sit with you OP?

I know what vegetarians think

That's a bit of an assumption, isn't it?

Guilty, good point, but this is STW! It's like Top Gear innit

Meat is biologically processed vegetable matter.

Bet the stats were swayed by onions being included in meat curry. And onions are one of, if not the worst culprit for fart generation.

Cows fart lots. If we didn't eat them all, the atmosphere would be over 67% cow boff.

I think if you ever fly or drive anywhere it is completely insignificant!

They should measure how much gas comes out the butts of veggies too.

That's a classic Hora post there, good work chief.

I'm not going veggie in a hurry but I could definitely cut down beef. Seems to me that it could make a meaningful difference to just switch meats rather than neccesarily reduce intake?

Hora, Get on a butchery course for a day, great fun. I was bought present at that River Cottage place (middle classes were well represented), spent a good bit of time with me hand up a chicken pulling its insides out side, fascinating. It's a shame when chickens stop laying but there is always a tastie resolution.

edit, forgot to mention, eating lamb and mutton is ok for vegetarians. They eat grass, you eat them.

This thread has made me really, really want a burger now. I know what I'll be eating tonight now. Cheers OP 😀

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How does that sit with you OP?

I help raise and pick sheep and cattle for slaughter, (also foster orphan lambs and rescue battey hens) so my feelings are quite complex towards intensive farming - it doesn't add up/seem right to me for a number of reasons. Personally have only butchered my own game, seemed OK but that wasnt the point if the article. If you literally meant how do your feelings sit with me? Nowhere really, seemed like a mild, assumptive trolling - but I could be wrong! Apologies if so.

Problem is that you have to also give up all cows milk based products to have a meaningful effect on CO2 production.

The meat is almost a by-product of milk production in most countries.

Unless they kill the calves as they're born they need to keep producing young cattle in order to keep milk production going.

I tell you what, there's a place not quite on my way home* that does a great steak. I'm getting some to cook later. Cheers OP, I was having a salad!

*15mile detour, but I'll make up the time by driving faster.

edit, forgot to mention, eating lamb and mutton is ok for vegetarians. They eat grass, you eat them.

What do I think of that article.. Couldn't really give a flying rats arse, you can spout all the stats you want. It doesn't change how good it tastes. 😉

Binners... Damn you! That looks so bloody good!

...spent a good bit of time with me hand up a chicken pulling its insides out side, fascinating. It's a shame when chickens stop laying...

Watch out hora, if all the moral gods from the hotel breakfast thread see that your considering throttling someone else's chicken, they'll have to lor' on ya!.

Throttling someone else's chicken, haha, just read that back!.

Last vegan I worked with had to take charcoal tablets his wind was that bad and often it got to point people refused to work with him. Can't say I've experienced the same with bacon butty lovers.

I agree with Hugh Fearnley-thingy-stall. If you want to eat meat you should appreciate where it comes from, value it more and be prepared to kill the animal that you eat.

When meat comes in ready meals - I think that should be banned. Its not meat just a name and a filler. I don't believe its any quality meat either.

I also think we should eat the offal.

I love kidneys, heart and especially Liver. OP - how thats still ok with you? Make the most of the animal.

No one has yet proved that low energy bulbs reduce Co2 emissions. Because if the money saved is spent on a weekend break by plane then you might have increased the emissions. So I suspect that we need to know more before can conclude that me going vegetarian would reduce emissions

The planet could support more people if they were all vegetarian because we can support more veggies per acre than meet eaters

So if we were all vegetarian then that might allow a bigger world population. But that bigger population might produce co2 at a greater rate even if the emission per person are less

[i]more than 100g per day - resulted in 7.2kg of carbon dioxide emissions[/i]

7.2kg per day? That's a lot isn't it.
7.2kg of chicken breast costs about £50 you know.

Cows fart lots. If we didn't eat them all, the atmosphere would be over 67% cow boff.

If we didnt eat them, we would use the land to grow crops. Unless you think that cows live forever or else own their own land? 😉

They should measure how much gas comes out the butts of veggies too

😆

My sheep keep the grass and hedges trimmed. When they poo they fertilise the grass and it grows faster. Eventually we eat them. In doing so we keep alive and produce Co2 to feed the grass.

The good old carbon cycle is a lot more sustainable than using fossil fuels to make stuff, transport food (meat and vegetables) etc etc. The abattoir is closer than the supermarket too.

Just re-read the quote. It's CO2 gases not Methane. Simply, vegetarians don't get enough energy so walk around in a zombie state creating less CO2 gases. Meat eaters on the other hand are full of energy, moving quicker and creating more CO2 gas a byproduct 😀

wwaswas - Member

Problem is that you have to also give up all cows milk based products to have a meaningful effect on CO2 production.

Fine, we'll just switch to dog milk.

kidney is the best bit in steak and kidney pie

chicken hearts starter at some restaurant in French Guiana was ace. Lotta chooks needed to make that dish.

I guess veggies are fine with the free range chickin industry and dairy cows to make bread? and bees to make the bee sick to spread on their toast in the morning?

Does the report take into account the amount of CO2 created when vegetarians and vegans go f*****g on about themselves being vegetarian or vegan?

Whenever I ride past Lambs/Ewe's I think about Mutton and Lamb. Everytime. I'd happily kill a Lamb if shown properly how to carve/butcher it.

Same with chickens, especially the ones that live behind my house somewhere. I'd throttle them all.

If you can get past the "string it up by its back legs and cut it's throat" bit then the rest is no more difficult than carving a very big, hairy, still warm, bleeding, roast chicken, with big doey eyes. Ok, it's actualy pretty grim.

Going on the "make the most of the animal" sort of theme. For similar reasons I've started eating Veal as they are usually just discarded waste from Dairy farming.

I wonder how many meat eaters would actually kill the animals they eat.

depends on the animal, and how hungry

If you can get past the "string it up by its back legs and cut it's throat"

not everyone wants halal

Can you make decent cheese with dogs milk?

[i]I wonder how many meat eaters would actually kill the animals they eat.[/i]

Don't need to, look:

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Does the report take into account the amount of CO2 created when vegetarians and vegans go f*****g on about themselves being vegetarian or vegan?

In fairness (me not either veggie or vegan) meat eaters go ona just as much as evidenced. For balance, my better half is vegan and completely uninterested in evangelising, but (often) as soon as a meat eater hears she's a vegan (in passing) you'd think she'd committed a cardinal sin and usually has to field a score of accusations/assumptions/bad science and schoolyard style 'gotchas'.

As ever, the loudest aren't necessarily the most representative of anything other than being loudest.

binners - Member

Can you make decent cheese with dogs milk?

I can't. But I think i just got the amount of rennet wrong.

could never go veggie, and definitely not vegan.
I'd declare bacon as a vegetable for the purposes of being vegetarian.

Reading the study it seems to be a pretty convoluted calculation of the CO2 equivalent produced in the production of the foods on which they eat.

Again, as all these 'meat produces X amount of CO2' stories, it seems to fall foul of the problem if identifying the source of the meat - for example intensively reared and cereal fed American beef had a very different CO2 profile from extensively reared grass fed british beef cattle.

so, once again, a none story by drum beating veggies!

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/i-am-the-greatest-thing-of-all-time-says-bacon-2013030761993 ]Bacon, you say?[/url]

[i]But I think i just got the amount of rennet wrong.[/i]

That wasn't rennet 😕

So going back to the original question: What do meat eaters think about this?

I think we could summarise by concluding that we really couldn't give a ****! 😀

Northwind - Member

binners - Member
Can you make decent cheese with dogs milk?

I can't. But I think i just got the amount of rennet wrong.

Back to the OP; FWIW, when I'm on a high meat/protein diet, I reckon my [i]personal[/i] methane output is higher. Certainly more deadly.

High protein plus high carbs plus beer = fartogeddon

Britain's methane is prob off the scale. Even the so-called vegeterians consume nothing but eggs, crisps, beans, beer and chips. Allegedly.

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my better half is vegan and completely uninterested in evangelising, but (often) as soon as a meat eater hears she's a vegan (in passing) you'd think she'd committed a cardinal sin

This is my experience as well.

Opinionated Gordon Ramsey wannabee "f*** vegetarian" meat eaters are amongst the most annoying people to have to be anywhere near.

Does the report take into account the amount of CO2 created when vegetarians and vegans go f*****g on about themselves being vegetarian or vegan?

2 pages of meat-eaters being overly worried about what veggies eat or think would seem to prove otherwise....

Anyway, a good opportunity to post this...

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For balance

This is a meateaters vs vegetarians (who are strangely absent, despite our zealous evangelising tendencies) thread. There is no place for that here.

If you want to eat meat you should appreciate where it comes from, value it more and be prepared to kill the animal that you eat

Likewise, if you want to use fossil fuels you should mine/drill and refine them yourself.

And cut your own hair.

with scissors handcrafted from steel that you smelted from ore yourself

And cut your own hair.

Been doing that for 20 years. Does it save much carbon?

I'm a meat eater/omnivore, my other half is 99.5% veggie*, one of my sisters is vegan, the other one is pescetarian but allergic to dairy.

I definitely fart the most.

None of us (even the serious vegan) evangalise about our choice of diet. I may try and feed the girlfriend donner meat when she's drunk occasionally, but that's merely in jest, and it's not hugely identifiable as meat.

*She has been known to eat burnt barbecue stuff when she's drunk.

Only recently become veggie (of sorts) and have done so for health reasons. I'm not particularly against people eating meat, they can eat what they want.
But the worst thing by far of being a veggie is meat eaters going on about it. Being a vegan must be so much worse!

I'm a meat eater/omnivore, my other half is 99.5% veggie*, one of my sisters is vegan, the other one is pescetarian but allergic to dairy.

Some years ago I once considered carrying around printed cards with the reasons I don't eat meat and a FAQ as to how I manage to stay alive eating only plant matter. These days I find the best way of avoiding the spanish inquisition is to tell people that my wife is a very strict vegan and also very abusive and bullying so I'm not allowed 🙂

I probably eat less meat than ya average person and more offal too. I'd like to know why we don't eat more insects/bugs/etc... in the western world? I've been playing with it and tried a few now and some are really nice.

Cows are slower so easier to catch.

[quote=binners ]Cows are slower so easier to catch.

I genuinely laughed out loud at that

But the worst thing by far of being a veggie is meat eaters going on about it. Being a vegan must be so much worse!

Mrs Rider got literally brayed out of a farmer's market once for refusing to try the sausage (whilst buying sausage for me and then being offered sausage to try, then made to explain why she didn't want to try the sausage, made the mistake of saying she was vegan) "I bet yr one of those liberals aren't youuuu?" (Farage voice) . The queue behind joined in berating her, I kid you not. wtf is wrong with some people?

Who once expertly said 'pick a side and be a dick about it'? No escape, even if you're not a dick it seems that someone will be along shortly to paint one on you.

back to the topic - ahhh fuhgeddaboutit...

My mrs had a mental breakdown attempting to feed some veggies.

"How about lamb? They only eat grass."

So, nah, a cow's carbon emissions don't come into it in our house.

wwaswas - Member
Problem is that you have to also give up all cows milk based products to have a meaningful effect on CO2 production.

The meat is almost a by-product of milk production in most countries.

Unless they kill the calves as they're born they need to keep producing young cattle in order to keep milk production going.

This.
I suppose i have been veggie all this time out of principe rather than dislike of meat and fish. But it bothers me that if everyone did the same overnight, we would not know what to do with all the steers, billygoats and cockerels etc that have to come as part of the overall upkeep of dairy and egg production.

However as ninfan points out there is a huge difference between different farming and rearing methods and their impact on the environment, with co2 emissions being just one measure/symptom.
We could make a huge difference to a lot of areas ecological and otherwise (including a host of rather nasty tummy bugs from hurried and sloppy slaughtering btw) if we decided it was ok to pay the same money per week for a smaller quantity of much tastier meat. Same for milk and eggs too.

How much CO2 would I produce if I were to capture, cook, and eat a meat eater?
I mean, if I were to make a pie out of Binners, what would be the global deficit/gain in CO2?

Or even more through provoking...if I made a pie out of Binners' lower half, would Binners himself eat said pie?
How long could this go on for......??

DrP

Botty burps from cows isn't the problem, as they pass wind from their mouth much more.

At school in the 1970's we were taught to skin, sort out giblets and fillet fish. Not sure this would be allowed nowadays.

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Long pig!

we would not know what to do with all the steers, billygoats and cockerels etc that have to come as part of the overall upkeep of dairy and egg productio

You do realise that the vast majority of male offspring born to and dairy and egg producing farms/are simply killed?

Most dairy breeds are unsuitable for beef production, a few "lucky" ones survive for 12 months as veal calves.

Again, as all these 'meat produces X amount of CO2' stories, it seems to fall foul of the problem if identifying the source of the meat - for example intensively reared and cereal fed American beef had a very different CO2 profile from extensively reared grass fed british beef cattle.

A quarter of all UK beef is imported. It might not be grass fed. Those UK grass fed cattle are also fed soya and corn, a lot of which is imported, some from Latin America. Some may well be GM.

It is something like x8 the energy to produce 1lb of beef compared to 1lb of chicken.

It isn't a non-story. You can get far more output from far less input with other meats and way more with crops.

Most dairy breeds are unsuitable for beef production, a few "lucky" ones survive for 12 months as veal calves.

Blimey. Every day is a school day innit.

Is the reverse true too? Reason i ask is that my brother in law raises steers for beef production and has a few cows (and a bull the size of a car called Troy!) only for producing more steers. But basically he just 'does' steers afaik, and as well as the few he brings into the world, he buys them (again, always steers) young and sells them bigger and meatier for slaughter. i wonder what happens to the few girl calves that he has, and indeed all the other girl calves that come from the herds he gets all his steers from.
Iirc his sheep herds (also for meat not wool or *winces* milk) are unisex, but he keeps them apart for most of the year so his lambs come at a predicatable time. One year, a single ram got in with the ewes and was removed after about an hour of fun, later that year about ten ewes went into labour ahead of schedule 😯

Being a vegan must be so much worse!

it used to be, until i just learned to not give a shit what anyone else thinks about my own dietary preferences. hence how binners is a (semi) regular riding mate of mine; he can spout all this stuff about veggies as much as he likes, i just don't listen!

This story doing the rounds again is a load of poorly researched data cobbled together... The Americans are the worst by far for inappropriate beef consumption, the UK is tiny in proportion

We should care about where the beef comes from and not eat shitty MacDonalds

The methane production from dairy isn't that accurate a science but yes it is a presence in the climate change that us happening

But you have compared yourself to three females of the opposite sex. They never, ever fart.