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30 years since the UK last had 'that storm'. Wonder what Michael Fish is thinking at the moment.
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My daughter (Ophelia) arrived in May...similar levels of devastation were predicted, but she's been okay so far. Hopefully this'll be the same.
Regardless, I'm blaming Brexit.
wet and windy in october 🙄 , nothing new there then
30 years since [b]the bits of the UK which go into a blind panic and make the news when the weather's not that great [/b]last had 'that storm'
FTFY
The rest of us need to put up with this sort of thing every autumn, winter and spring more or less.
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The rest of us need to put up with this sort of thing every autumn, winter and spring more or less.
yep. 22 people killed in a single storm happens all the time in the north. soft poofy southerners and their whinging...
It's a bit windy today, and was a bit* wet when I left work last night but that's it.
*it was actually of biblical proportions and full on rivers were flowing down the streets of Glasgow. Fortunately I was just leaving the bike shed as it started, I certainly felt refreshed after it 🙂
The trampoline is an eyesore anyway, I'll be glad to see the back of it.
Us Soft Suvvvernrs will miss it..
So, Ya Boo Sucks.
Gert Yer Wellies Yon...
was it 30 years ago?
Some friends suggested a MTB ride over Kinlochleven to Fort William IIRC, I declined, they had an *interesting* day out..
why is it forecast to curve to the left, when the ones near the US curve to the right?
30 years since the bits of the UK which go into a blind panic and make the news when the weather's not that great last had 'that storm'
I know seems like just a few months ago.
I think what’s really amazing is it was before the days of mobiles for most of us and internet based working from home.
I remember it well as we lived on a hill in Guildford, was woken up during the night and got to the station at 6:15 to find all the trains cancelled. Jumped in the car to drive to Morden for the underground only to be met with road blocks from fallen trees and police telling us to go back home.
These days we’d have weather warnings on our smart phones and just stay put
I remember that storm. I was sat in a small hut like school room with 30 or so of my classmates in the morning until a teacher happened to spot us and moved us into the hall. 20 mins later the hut flew past my Nans kitchen window.
Better order my repalcement fence post now then eh.
Tie your wheelie bins down, mate
Tie your wheelie bins down.
why is it forecast to curve to the left, when the ones near the US curve to the right?
The rise of socialism in the UK.
Daughter is on d of e silver next week. Lucky her!
? blimey, we don't do DofE after start of October I think!
doris5000 - Member
why is it forecast to curve to the left, when the ones near the US curve to the right?
A gentleman's tailor would never divulge this information
@perchypanther -
30 years since the bits of the UK which go into a blind panic and make the news when the weather's not that great last had 'that storm'
That's utter bollocks. The 87J storm was actually a very dangerous storm which turned deadly for some. It caused £1.4 Billion of damage even then (imagine that indexed into today's money). That was only in the UK, it then went on bash Norway and other countries.
Recent storms in the central belt have luckily been in less populated areas and have not been as large.
These extra-tropical cyclones are notoriously difficult to predict/model as they are large, complex systems moving at varying speeds and they tend to have a multi day duration in addition to affecting many countries.
The current MetOffice method of informing the public to make them aware is a good thing. Anything to limit loss of life is clearly good and it also enables the highways agency to get their shit together and close roads and bridges in advance. Trust me you wouldn't want to be on exposed ground in a high sided vehicle when one of these buggers rolls in.
My rudimentary knowledge of the Weather pattern is this:
The Warm air from the South (lots of warm land mass) will push the Front Up Low pressure anticlockwise, and then the Cold air from the North will suck it up (clockwise higher pressure) and drag to the left with a smaller effect of the warm air Low pressure (anticlockwise) from Europe giving it a bit of a shuv as the Front decreases in strength...
Could be rong, could be rite...
30 years since the UK last had 'that storm'
Were you not north of the border for [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Bawbag ]hurricane bawbag then?[/url]
What an odd name to call a Hurricane ... 😆
? blimey, we don't do DofE after start of October I think
Toughen up, princess. 😉 I bet you stay on camp sites and all..... 😉 😉 😉
If that forecast is correct, I bet next weeks DofE is postponed.
windy wilson for proper weather updates :D[url= https://twitter.com/windywilson88 ]https://twitter.com/windywilson88[/url]
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doris5000 - Member
why is it forecast to curve to the left, when the ones near the US curve to the right?
My understanding is because they will follow the warmest air direction that is higher up and effectively the jet stream.
Current jet stream forecasts are suggesting that it's going to go quite far south in the mid Atlantic and sweep very quickly north just west of Ireland which will bring up a very warm airstream from the tropics and we shall be verily swathed in a brief Indian summer this weekend. Or, alternatively, and as the model in the OP shows, Ophelia will want to follow the warmer air that is going northeastwards and more than likely dine out on it and becoming ever stronger. In which case, it will ve very very windy.
@matt_ Not always 😉
in fact not ever, as it's not me that goes out, my wife as helper on ASN trips.
This may be the Bronze ones though I'm not sure - maybe Silvers as well.
I'm just logistic support for getting her tent to the right spot, which may or not be a campsite !
That's utter bollocks. The 87J storm was actually a very dangerous storm which turned deadly for some.
The point was that, in the thirty years since, the UK has been regularly battered by storms of equal or greater ferocity.
Someone has referenced Hurricane Bawbag which was another Force 12 belter. Only made the news because Glaswegians mocked it on social media.
It wasn't even the worst storm that month. Thousands of people spent Christmas without power in the Highlands and Islands after those two and it barely made the news.
Sod you lot and your scientific modelling, I’m waiting for the Daily Express to tell me what the weather will do
If it hits Scotland, it could cause thousands of pounds worth of improvements!
See you next Tuesday lol
If it hits Engerland, COBRA will hold emergency meetings and food and water handouts will be distributed by the army.
matt_outandabout - Member30 years since the UK last had 'that storm'
Were you not north of the border for hurricane bawbag then?
That Wikipedia entry is by far tye funniest thing I've read in a long time!!
Reminds me of a sketch on I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again many years ago.
"This is my moll. Miss Ophelia Gently. She's a constant comfort to me. She has the wisdom of St Theresa, the principles of Joan of Arc, and bosoms like barrage balloons".
The problem in the "soft" south is that they don't get these storms often enough. Old trees, weak fences, shoddy building work are all ok when you're normally experiencing a light breeze,
whereas further north all that's been stripped away as it's regularly scoured.
bruneep - Member
If it hits Engerland, [s]COBRA [/s] CAMRA will hold emergency meetings and [s]food and water[/s] real ale [s]handouts[/s] kegs will be distributed by the army.
Wishful thinking, but you never know
Actually hope it comes and hits us, lots of silver birches that are 30ish years old and on their last legs, save a lot of chainsaw time.
That blimmin storm cost me my vw camper......it was a lovely Devon conversion that I learnt to drive in......I think it was only worth about £400 though then!
The garages next to where i used to park it fell on it....I've still got a bay window though!
matt_outandabout - MemberWere you not north of the border for hurricane bawbag then?
RIP trampoline #inourprayers
COBRA will hold emergency meetings and food and water handouts will be distributed by the army.
Isn't that what they're doing anyway but for those who are waiting for their first Universal Credit payment?
@perchy - that's not quite true. The Daria windstorm is the only storm since 87J that was almost of equal size, intensity and duration.
We have had lots of storms since 1987, Scotland gets many more than England, but the '87 event was different.
We have had lots of storms with high windspeeds recorded in individual locations but 87 went thru the most densely populated area for many hours and extreme winds were recorded in lots of places. The windfield was much bigger. The "footprint" of the event is very different to the storms in Scotland in the last 10 years
Edit: fwiw I agree that if someone sneezes south of Macclesfield it dominates the news for days.
www.segmentninja.com at the ready. 😉
Interesting article about hurricanes on [url= https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wind-speed-alone-isnt-the-best-way-to-measure-a-weird-hurricane-like-matthew/ ]fivethirtyeight.com[/url]
Peak wind speed is only one metric - peak energy is also useful.
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_East_England ]South east England[/url] has a population greater than [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland ]Scotland [/url] so some of the bias is quite understandable. If you include everything in "the south" it's quite overwhelming, although being from Kent anything north of the Medway is a strange northern country.
The whole point about news is that it's things that don't happen very often. If, by your own admission, it happens all the time in Scotland then it's not really news, so you can't complain about it not being reported. It's much less common in the South and the fact it caused billions in damage was notable.
Think about what you're asking for: "It was dead windy again in Scotland, but everyone's fine" twice a month?
molgrips - MemberThe whole point about news is that it's things that don't happen very often
No it isn't.
It can't affect Scotland. Laura Bicker is no longer around to report from some godforsaken Ayrshire coastal toon whilst hardly able stay vertical. 😕
why is it forecast to curve to the left, when the ones near the US curve to the right?
Rossby waves
Won't someone think of [s]the children[/s] Renton's pride and joy?
[url= http://www.europeanwindstorms.org/cgi-bin/storms/storms.cgi?sort=loss&opt= ]European Windstorm Catalogue[/url]
Great Storm of '87 is the fourth largest storm by insured loss and third if only storms affecting the UK are considered. Losses are adjusted for inflation.
If you're interested in wind storms / hurricanes then it's well worth clicking around that website, and maybe reading the paper associated with it.
I explained that in an earlier post.Great Storm of '87 is the fourth largest storm by insured loss and third if only storms affecting the UK are considered. Losses are adjusted for inflation.
Molgrips is right too. Severe storms are less newsworthy when they are frequent. OTOH we up here are getting pretty fed up of severe weather warnings that never come to anything. We reached the "boy who cried wolf" stage years ago.
I was 11 for the 87 storm, it blew the conservatory roof off our house, destroyed 2/3 of our barns, blew the gym roof off the school.
no power for two weeks, no phone for a month. cooked on a barbecue in the garage.
and the cherry on the cake, a whole week off school and enough wood to power the stove for about ten years.
At least it’ll bring a bit of warmth and some waves to play on.
At least it’ll bring a bit of warmth and some waves to play on.
Aye, a balmy 17deg before 8am this morning!
Yep was 14degrees at 3am, and was a hot and very quick ride to work this morning.
^^^^ Won't be so quick on the way home though !
Won't be so quick on the way home though !
Just as well I'm not riding home today, off to the caravan and my wife's picking me up from work 🙂
For the bike commuter there's nothing better than a monster tailwind in knowing you're not riding into it on the way home
Couldn't believe how warm it was first thing ...a bit blowy but nothing too bad
geoffj - Member
It can't affect Scotland. Laura Bicker is no longer around to report from some godforsaken Ayrshire coastal toon whilst hardly able stay vertical.
Saltcoats...... new sea defences installed to protect the trains.... not working yet...
Now forecast to track further south, so NI, S Scotland and N England.
scotroutes - MemberNow forecast to track further south, so [s]NI[/s] Ireland, S Scotland and N England.
Wonderful.
Ireland and Northern Ireland in for a wild day 😯
Ireland have dispatched the Army to help with defences and evacuation (if needed) which in this day and age is like foresight !
Stay safe, looks like the west coastline all over will be battered..
I got proper sharp tan lines on my arms riding yesterday - just assumed it was general muck and would wash off in the shower, but the sharpest lines I've had all year - in mid October, in Leicestershire 8)
I was in manchester for the 87 storm - I don't remember it being anything very much
I was in manchester for the 87 storm - I don't remember it being anything very much
That’s because the main track was up the channel and through the SE.
I flew over the jet stream feeding this storm today on my way back from the states. Proper severe turbulence, and a very cleanly formed cloud line.
jambo - point being if it happens in the south its news, in the north its not
Main reason it was so destructive is that trees were still in full leaf but the ground was very wet hence all the trees down
Still - it could have been hurricane bawbag
jambo - point being if it happens in the south its news, in the north its not
Bullshit.
It was news because 18 people died and millions of pounds of damage and disruption was done.
Flip sake all NI schools closed.
tjagain - Member
jambo - point being if it happens in the south its news, in the north its notMain reason it was so destructive is that trees were still in full leaf but the ground was very wet hence all the trees down
The antecedent conditions help to explain why so many trees were damaged but doesn't really contribute to the roof being peeled off a school, or the gable end of a house is pulled off the building.
Lots of ill-informed opinion on this thread but hey it's STW so let's all type a load of rubbish and pontificate. I'm still waiting for somebody to mention "vernacular architecture" and a discussion on the application and relevance of "building codes"......
To be fair given how shoddily Edinburgh schools are built I'd close them too.
Better at home than risk a building, or part of it, coming down.
BlindMelon - MemberFlip sake all NI schools closed.
All schools on the island of Ireland are closed. Nothing much doing at the minute though.
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Aye there is no north south divide in terms of newsIt was news because 18 people died and millions of pounds of damage and disruption was done
FWIW Dyke moved the BBC as the weather described shit weather and finished with " the good news is its moving up North soon so we will be over the worst
In essence both of you have a point there is a bias the storm was bad
On the Belfast -Cairnryan ferry at the moment, nothing to report. Although the trucks were loaded on the upper deck and cars on the lower, usually the other way round.
Sky is a very strange colour here in south wales.
Also strange is that It's cold with warm gusts of wind.
We’ve got an ESE’ly 15knt wind direction at the mo’...
Which means it’s just started to drag the warm air from Europe..
Shorts on then..