[Closed] Well scotland didnt get independance, thread

How can it be an original idea if what i'm refering to is what people in the UK have done in the past?

Everyone wants a better fairer society

George you do know about Australian politics don't you?! If you don't like UK politics then you are really going to struggle with aussie politics.

Jim - the difference is I'll be a lot better off financially and the persecutory policies that the current UK parties pursue will not have the same adverse effect on my quality of life.

One thing that has amazed me about people packing up and shipping out of Scotland is the speed at which they have started going. The first people I know of left permanently today - 7 of them.

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wanmankylung - Member
The first people I know of left permanently today - 7 of them.

One thing that has amazed me about people packing up and shipping out of Scotland is the speed at which they have started going. The first people I know of left permanently today - 7 of them.

Amazing indeed how quickly people discard their political and nationalistic ideals after a narrow defeat.

Just as well you didn't get your own way.

George you do know about Australian politics don't you?! If you don't like UK politics then you are really going to struggle with aussie politics.

Jim - the difference is I'll be a lot better off financially

Forgive me if I have misremembered this, but I thought I recalled someone suggesting that No voters were likely to be more materialistic and short-sighted than those voting Yes?

imnotverygood - Member
George you do know about Australian politics don't you?! If you don't like UK politics then you are really going to struggle with aussie politics.
Jim - the difference is I'll be a lot better off financially

Forgive me if I have misremembered this, but I thought I recalled someone suggesting that No voters were likely to be more materialistic and short-sighted than those voting Yes?

Crikey. Still arguing about Scotland are we? 😯

Scotland will just have to try again I am afraid which will not be easy the next time round.

My prediction is Scotland will only achieve independence with the last monarchy/King (1st President of UK) that is the current Prince (future King/1st President) George of Cambridge.

Forgive me if I have misremembered this, but I thought I recalled someone suggesting that No voters were likely to be more materialistic and short-sighted than those voting Yes?

I thought I lived in a country full of forward thinking individuals who liked the idea of working for the greater good. Turns out I was wrong. It's amazing the extent to which new information changes your opinion.

I thought I lived in a country full of forward thinking individuals who liked the idea of working for the greater good. Turns out I was wrong. It's amazing the extent to which new information changes your opinion.

Truly the flounce to end them all.

wanmankylung - Member
Forgive me if I have misremembered this, but I thought I recalled someone suggesting that No voters were likely to be more materialistic and short-sighted than those voting Yes?
I thought I lived in a country full of forward thinking individuals who liked the idea of working for the greater good. Turns out I was wrong. It's amazing the extent to which new information changes your opinion.

Truly the flounce to end them all.

It's not a flounce, more of a sashay.

One thing that has amazed me about people packing up and shipping out of Scotland is the speed at which they have started going. The first people I know of left permanently today - 7 of them.

and they managed to organise that in 7 days, your friends live "light"

selectively reading to try and prove your own bias.

Dear Kettle, etc.

and they managed to organise that in 7 days, your friends live "light"

They are wise men, they predicted the future reasonably accurately and made contingency plans.

big_n_daft - Member
One thing that has amazed me about people packing up and shipping out of Scotland is the speed at which they have started going. The first people I know of left permanently today - 7 of them.
and they managed to organise that in 7 days, your friends live "light"

wanmankylung. I thought I lived in a country full of forward thinking individuals who liked the idea of working for the greater good.

wanmankylung the difference is I'll be a lot better off financially and the persecutory policies that the current UK parties pursue will not have the same adverse effect on my quality of life.

Is that the greater good of your wallet?

That's the plan. Professional registration has been obtained, visa has been applied for and job is just about sealed. Melbourne is my destination - have more family there than what I have here. Will be getting paid around 150% more for doing the same job. Living costs will be comparable.

As for the second part of your comment - as I said, it depends how you define shit and where you're looking at that shit from.

Don't know if you have been to Melbourne, but good luck. It was my favourite city in Australia.
Don't assume the grass is always greener. Don't know how things are now however I was there 10 years ago when John Howard was in charge. The place felt quite conservative. Plenty of tough views on immigration. Casual racism and sexism was quite common. Met plenty of people struggling financially when I worked there. Also saw protests by people not wanting Australia to go to war in Iraq. Did not work though. Basically I felt that people were wrestling with much the same problems as over here.

Perhaps if you think things are s**t here, look into the stolen generations. In the same decade that Margaret Thatcher came to power, the Australian government was still taking aboriginal children from their parents and giving them to white couples.

I am not having a dig at Australia, just saying that governments around the globe have grubby histories and policies. Scotland is no different.

A friend of mine emigrated to Melbourne. Describes Australia as being like Essex. On a continental scale. (Apologies to those of you living to the NE of London)

The first people I know of left permanently today - 7 of them.

So that is exactly a week after the referendum then. When are you going ?

I thought I lived in a country full of forward thinking individuals who liked the idea of working for the greater good. Turns out I was wrong. It's amazing the extent to which new information changes your opinion.

Does this forward thinking include a tolerance of a population with wide ranging views on national identity, and a variety of thoughts on the best path for their country?

Does this forward thinking include a tolerance of a population with wide ranging views on national identity, and a variety of thoughts on the best path for their country?

Obviously not, which is why he's going to live in a country where everyone will agree with him.

He's leaving quite soon I think.

Jim - the difference is I'll be a lot better off financially and the persecutory policies that the current UK parties pursue will not have the same adverse effect on my quality of life.

I'm not convinced based on my experience, very high taxation and many things like staple foods over there are much more expensive than here, though fuel is I think still cheaper than ehre, though it's been nearly 5 years since I lived there. Melbourne is nice and the most european feeling city. I wouldn't burn your bridges anyway, it's an awesome place for an adventure but I was glad to come back here.

I thought I lived in a country full of forward thinking individuals who liked the idea of working for the greater good. Turns out I was wrong. It's amazing the extent to which new information changes your opinion.

This new information being that people are actually prepared to leave the country just to get a 150% increase in pay (and sod the rest)?

I think we should probably stop piling on the guy who looks like he's having a difficult personal moment and depersonalize it.

A friend of mine emigrated to Melbourne. Describes Australia as being like Essex. On a continental scale. (Apologies to those of you living to the NE of London)

Perhaps if you think things are s**t here, look into the stolen generations. In the same decade that Margaret Thatcher came to power, the Australian government was still taking aboriginal children from their parents and giving them to white couples.

I seem to remember watching a documentary, within the last year. That documented the continued maltreatment of the Aboriginal population. I'm sure a google for Aboriginal rights Movement Australia would shed som light. Bit hazy in my memory to be honest, so can't vouch too much on its veracity.

I seem to only be remembering the opinions of aboriginal activists to be fair.

Too late to edit, I think it was tied into land rights and the mineral wealth driven boom.

oh, it's a total bit of a mess, make life expectancy in Wilcannia is something like 36. it's an absurd atrocity.

So like the East End of Glasgow, then?

So like the East End of Glasgow, then?

Always good to check the facts.

Well, no, not really, since I wasn't making a serious point.

bencooper has no time for facts, bearGrease!

Not when I'm making a comparison for comic effect, no.

You probably need more smileys on this forum, ben - not everybody realises that you are never serious.

Well I say good luck to you George - rather than sitting about moaning and wailing you are doing something positive about your situation. It is a very brave move to change countries and I hope it is better for you and your family. The weather is certainly better, and the wine.

All this chat reminds me of a quote from former Kiwi PM Rob Muldoon on the brain drain to Australia. Something about every Kiwi who leaves for Australia raising the average IQ of both countries.

I'm hearing there's a new name for 'the 45' getting touted about, independent scots for independent scotland. or ISIS if you like! 😆

The pedant in me wants to correct people on facebook from 'the 45' to the 'the 37.8' ish.

I'm liking the Banksy cheeky modifications.

I'm hearing there's a new name for 'the 45' getting touted about, independent scots for independent scotland. or ISIS if you like!

Is "inward investment" a euphemism for air strikes, do you think?

Going by the number of beards at the Green meeting last night there might be something in this.

The pedant in me wants to correct people on facebook from 'the 45' to the 'the 37.8' ish.

We could call ourselves "The Crazy 37.8" in a Kill Bill style.

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piemonster - Member
The pedant in me wants to correct people on facebook from 'the 45' to the 'the 37.8' ish.

Well if you look at holyrood. You can say its not far off 50/50 unionist/pro Indy. It slightly favours pro Indy at the moment. So take the over all campaign and the biased media effect and you end up with around 45% yes.

I think there's a direct corelation there. So basically we can account that a biased media will have around a 5 to 10% effect. So IMO next time the Scottish parliament needs to have a 60+% pro Indy majority for it to go through.

The effect that this will also have is that there are less Scottish msps arguing for independence. Allowing the debate to be more focused on Scotland v London.

All just my opinion of course.

I think there's a wee bit too much anger being directed outward away from the yes camp, rightly so. but we also need to use some of that energy to figure out what was wrong on our side.

A split parliament was one thing that was wrong. IMO.

Beyond that I think holyrood having a completely different ideological direction from westminster would help too. I don't think a replacing unionist msps with SNP ones will work either. I think the unionist msps need to be replaced with a pro Indy left wing opposition to demonstrate politics in an independent Scotland. Which will take away some of the doubt.

btw regarding "the45" it's really just a social media thing imo, It'll be gone soon enough.

You can't smash cultural hegemony through hashtags.

yip.

I'm glad I'm not in charge of the Daily Records social media. Not exactly the friendliest interactions.

at the moment there's a lot of anger and blame directed outward, which is correct to a point. But, and maybe it's just a little bit too early at the moment, but there's needs to be an introspective look as to why it didn't happen

like this?