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 DrP
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Was out on a lovely bivvy night -cracking spot, fire roaring -perfect.

Quite why I decided to pass a razor sharp blade through the top of my index finger I'll never know...!

Just waiting to be assessed - my professional optimistic verdict is just a big bleeding cut.
My pessimistic verdict is I've chuffed the tendon...
Movement mostly OK, but shall wait and see!

Some of the chaps got some good photos - not for the squeamish :-/
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Posted : 20/04/2014 10:54 pm
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Pics please.

😯


 
Posted : 20/04/2014 10:57 pm
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I was there last night over the bars shot neck cracked on landing and was winded for a few mins then rode down trail home to mrs who ordered me to A&E spent an hour and half waiting to be seen and was given all clear. Neck checked okay with bruised ribs but leg is dead (I have to lift it into car etc) aches and pains all over but ok. Sounds though I am better off than you Dr p.


 
Posted : 20/04/2014 11:05 pm
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Spent this glorious weekend not riding the Burma road on account of a crash on Tuesday. Had to make do with a road ride on Saturday morning...not the same.
Good luck to all who have new scars for Easter! Zombie Jesus blessings.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 1:42 am
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I expect more from a doctor.
Well at least pics. 🙂
Get well soon.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 3:00 am
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Still waiting to be seen?


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 5:41 am
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Typical doctor 😉

Hope it turns out to be a paper cut...


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 6:51 am
 DrP
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Wasn't too bad...
5 stitches, 2 in vessels to stem the blood flow..
Got home about 3am in the end!
For the 'not so squeamish..
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Posted : 21/04/2014 6:51 am
 Drac
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Oooh good one.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 6:55 am
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Owwwww! Lucky - a bit further up and you could have been in a tendon.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 6:56 am
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Nice 8)
Glad it wasn't worse!


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 6:58 am
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Don't cross your legs, it's bad for you.

IANAD

Get well soon


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:24 am
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Ow ow ow ow ow owwwwwwwwowwwwooowwwwwwww
looks kind of painful
Hope it heals up really fast


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:29 am
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That's a very good 'I just slipped with the knife' effort. Well done.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:30 am
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Quite why I decided to pass a razor sharp blade through the top of my index finger I'll never know...!

I'd argue that was more like the bottom of your finger. The top infers towards the nail. Depends which you hold it up I suppose.

Good effort nonetheless


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:33 am
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Just by the Knuckle it 'curls upwards' very close to the tendon!
Went through the fascia all the way down...
Mora knives are VERY sharp...

DrP


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:34 am
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Ow.. Couple of zip ties would have sorted it though 😉

What shoes are those?


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:36 am
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Ouch, poor Dr P. 🙁 Get well soon and stop those silly night rides in the woods. 😉


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:54 am
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Woooow she's lovley
Again what shoes?


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:01 am
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Impressive.
Well done.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:01 am
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The shoes are Shimano m162 "blood edition"...

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Posted : 21/04/2014 8:10 am
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Job well done !!
get well soon


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:31 am
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Muppet. 🙂

When I showed my lad, he asked if you were sharpening a spear...


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:32 am
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pfft, if you had some gauze and some cable ties you could have saved your trip.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:33 am
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Takisawa... He wouldn't be too far from the truth....!

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Posted : 21/04/2014 8:39 am
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Oooh bet that caused a few swear words !

Put a sticker over it and a couple of pain killers and it'll be reet ;0)


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:41 am
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My dog is very pleased you posted that picture of the cut. He has just been tossed the slice of marmite toast that I no longer felt like eating. 😥


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:50 am
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Ouch!
Can only sympathise having done something similar many years ago with an axe!

That area will be tender for many a year to come, especially on cold, frosty days 🙄


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:09 am
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No one had Duct tape to hand? Call yourselves backwoodsmen? Pah! Mutter, mutter, youth of today.....


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:10 am
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Packing up your kit must have been a bit of a ball ache! Oh well, at least you've got a good story to tell out if it!


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:18 am
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Proper Job that, be nice when it's finished 😆

However I do question you Bivvi motivation, clearly you were in a different part of the South Down when the monsoon hit ??


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:23 am
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Great article [url= http://www.realfirstaid.co.uk/superglue/ ]here[/url] about using SuperGlue to close wounds such as the one above. Key points are:

1) The wound needs to be cleaned first! So not ideal out on a bivvy trip.
2) It's better to use the proper medical stuff, as it is less likely to cause irritation.
3) If you are using it on someone else, beware of litigation! (It is an American website, but prob still relevant over here)

There are other things as well, such as its not good on jagged wounds or animal bites etc.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:31 am
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That looks like it'll smart for a few weeks.

How's the knife?


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:48 am
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Dr P didnt they notice your legs loked like they where dislocated at the hip, pointing in different directions.

Get well soon.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:52 am
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Re: shermer75's link about using superglue, I use it regularly on cuts and suchlike, but I'm damned if I'd try using it on a cut like that, that would sting like hell!
The other problem is that continual bleeding stops the glue from setting properly as it oozes out of the cut.
Still, at least it was a nice sharp knife, and a really clean cut, it will leave a nice thin scar. 😀
[edit] just read that link, and it does say not to use superglue on: deep wounds, wounds that are bleeding, so my instinct was the right one.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 11:45 am
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Ooooh nasty, right through the muscle.........


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 12:25 pm
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You're a doctor and yet you went to a hospital?
Disappointed. 😉
I always assumed you chaps did your own surgery. Seems daft queuing up with everyone else.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 12:52 pm
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wow.

not glueable imo. most things can be bodged with average bike kit, but its stuff like that reminds me why there are steristrips, to hold you together for the ride home.

dont play with knives kids.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 1:03 pm
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HTF did you do that?

(am I really the first?)


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 1:06 pm
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You're an idiot. Did you manage to eat first?


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 2:06 pm
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It's true - I am an idiot! (Though I did manage to cook and eat home made Calzone on the fire before slashing myself to bits)
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Essentially, I was cutting a soft sap stick to toast a hot cross bun, and did the classic 'knife faux pas' - cutting towards myself..

It's a new knife (Mora fire knife) that is uber sharp (I can vouch for this) and just split the wood and went through my finger with ease!
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Knives aren't dangerous. Idiots with knives are.

However I do question you Bivvi motivation, clearly you were in a different part of the South Down when the monsoon hit ??

Secret(ish) bivi spot just North of Storrington.. Rain all the day, stopping just before we headed off.

Stay safe kids..

DrP

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Posted : 21/04/2014 5:25 pm
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If shes like mine I bet the Mrs was really sympathetic.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 5:32 pm
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Now that's a proper manly cut.

I would have screamed blue murder.

I hope you mend very soon.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:22 pm
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Man next time order a Take Away


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:33 pm
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I fail to believe that you didn't have your in car kill room with you nor any of the "travelling doctor essentials kit" in the spare wheel space, this is clearly an elaborate ruse to cover up yet another cold blooded "harvest"


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 7:49 pm
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Crikey DrP that's a nasty cut. 😯

Nice pics though. :mrgreen:

I want a Mora knife now.


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:00 pm
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Er, what MrNutt said!

Hope you didn't ruin the night for the others ya big clumsy. 🙂


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:00 pm
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Very VERY nearly did the same thing on saturday with an axe while cutting wood for my kelly kettle.

Also in a secret location, perhaps that's the problem?

From now on I camp next to main roads


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:21 pm
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From now on I camp next to [s]main roads[/s] A&E


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 8:42 pm
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Going by the carparks, I think the cost of a pitch might be prohibitive!


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:13 pm
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But the big question is... Was Duct tape enough for the First Aid? Or were those butterfly stitches necessary after all.

Heal fast. And I too want one of those knives now!


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 9:35 pm
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Thanks for the recommendation, just ordered the knife.

c


 
Posted : 21/04/2014 11:08 pm
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Mora knives are incredible value. The Scandi grind bushcraft knives are really great to use. I have two (I also own a Sebenza for context and to show I'm a bit of a knife snob). Be aware though, that they are high carbon steel and will build up a patina and/or rust depending on moisture and humidity. Plenty of folks build up a great patina with various semi-caustic concoctions of fruit, onions, vinegar etc.

I have to say, as an ex-pat of quite a few years that it's great to see the Great British piss-taking over the injury. I once snapped my Achilles' tendon playing rugby and was told in no uncertain terms by the 'team medic' (I think 'least drunk spectator' is a better term) to gaffer tape it up and get back on the field. Not helpful at the time, but I look back on it with a sense of fond amusement.

I did use superglue on a cut once. Was at a party, opening a bottle of wine with an inappropriate implement, and made a sizeable incision on one of my fingers. Held it shut with Bounty for a while but it was too deep and would not stop bleeding. We were all drunk and some ex-military, so it was considered a field-expedient repair to just superglue it up to allow continued drinking. I have an awkward scar and no feeling in the top of one finger as a result.

Please excuse the ramblings. I am in an airport with time to kill and a lot of nice wine at my disposal.


 
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Forgot to say get well soon Dr P, you pillock 😉


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 12:53 am
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Just noted the mod edit on the front page - apologies for those who've been put of their sausages with that...

DrP


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 7:12 am
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Sausages! Thats what I crave!

I rate my mora pretty highly but its but its not a knife for waving around!


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 7:16 am
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Or were those butterfly stitches necessary after all.

The steristrips are used OVER the 'sewn' sutures - this was more than a steristrip job! (though duct tape, super glue, and zip ties would also have been adequate...!)

DrP


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 7:26 am
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Mora knife, mora problems.


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 7:35 am
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Mora lotta laughs...

DrP


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 7:39 am
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[i]Mora lotta laughs...

DrP[/i]

So, now you're considering moving into surgical work ?


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 8:08 am
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I thought you would have asked yourself the obvious question, while being all tufty-tufty, out in the wilds: What would John Rambo do?

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Looks nasty that DrP. Hope you're back to full fitness soon fella. You daft sod! 😉


 
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In a seriousness though what kind of first aid course would show you how to deal with this kind of thing, I carry a first aid kit that could probably deal with that properly atleast temporarily. Buggered if I would know what to do short of flushing it with saline eye wash couple of butterfly stitches and a bandage... then call the air ambulance 🙂


 
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In a seriousness though what kind of first aid course would show you how to deal with this kind of thing, I carry a first aid kit that could probably deal with that properly atleast temporarily. Buggered if I would know what to do short of flushing it with saline eye wash couple of butterfly stitches and a bandage... then call the air ambulance 🙂


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 8:50 am
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What I did was:
- Pressure with sterile swab and 'direct pressure' (Squeezing it)
- Wrap bandage around it
- make way to place of healthcare provision

No point trying to steristrip it in the field as there was too much blood for them to stick, I knew it needed sewing up, and faffing about failing to fix it would have led to more bleeding and more mess.
Pressure (over a dressing) as a temp fix was all that was needed.

If i was in the middle of nowhere, I'd have a)taken more kit with me, and b)used said kit to try to fix it myself.

I wasn't, so I didn't!

DrP


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 9:00 am
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[i]I'd have a)taken more kit with me[/i]

I thought taking a cheeseboard on a bivvi showed a fine sense of the relative importance of civilised living vs decent first aid provision 😉


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 9:03 am
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ah yes pressure.. knew i forgot something!

I once had to deal with my dad placing a set of sheep sheers inside his thing all 8 inches of it. Pressure was applied.


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 9:11 am
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A cheeseboard and port. We're not animals...

DrP


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 9:11 am
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[i]I once had to deal with my dad placing a set of sheep sheers inside his thing[/i]

When a few words conjures up a mental image that'll stay with you for years.

DrP - I thought opening the port with a machete showed you're not afraid to rough it just a little, though 🙂


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 9:14 am
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Oh my!

Thats one of my less fortunate typos!


 
Posted : 22/04/2014 9:30 am
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Taken some time, but finished the write up of this particular unfortunate trip!!
[url= http://www.drpidgeon.co.uk/1/post/2014/05/the-secret-bivi-spotjust-south-of-the-ae-entrance.html ]Blig-blag-blog...[/url]

DrP


 
Posted : 01/05/2014 12:53 pm
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Nice! Glad you've got full function back. It looked nasty for a while.


 
Posted : 01/05/2014 12:59 pm
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Nice blog!


 
Posted : 01/05/2014 12:59 pm
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Nice write up.

Also pleased this was bumped, cos I missed joshvegas's "[i]all 8 inches of it[/i]" previously 😆


 
Posted : 01/05/2014 1:05 pm
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Great write up, love the fat bike action pics!


 
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Glad I can be of assistance Dez


 
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