[Closed] Weight loss - 5.2kg in one week!

He's too fat to be a good runner. This thread and his trolling is now frankly ridiculous.

He should stick to being a good Dad and husband... it's attainable and probably the most rewarding.

Molgrips - give up mate.

Suck my balls.

why do you keep ignoring the suggestions about taking up running instead of cycling as something to aim for a podium in?

What kind of running? There's no way on earth I could ever do well at 5km or above. And where on earth do they do 100/200m competitions for 36 year old men?

I'm not a bad cyclist, especially on flatter MTB courses. That's where I tihnk I coud do well. I think I could do better still at road racing, but I don't know where they do road races near me. I think the nearest one is Castle Coombe.

I thin I need to join a road club.

😆

OK keep going then.

You've had a year to lose 10kg and lost nothing. You clearly know what you're doing and have a valid point to make on diet and exercise. 😆

You've had a year to lose 10kg and lost nothing. You clearly know what you're doing and have a valid point to make on diet and exercise.

I don't know enough, I've acknowleged this many times. But neither do you!

sports day, you'll crush the competition. just glue some glitter to your hands and put some long white socks on... nobody will notice.

ok molly, do you think, honestly, you've got what it takes to win a mtb race? if so:

which discipline:

what distance:

what weight do you think you'd need to be:

how much training do you think you'd need to do for it:

how will you fit that training in:

if we're all to believe in your years of scientific research and experimenting with what you're body can and can't handle, then you should have the knowledge that will inform your answers to the above questions and as you've mentioned so many times on the forum, you're a clever guy so should have no problems in coming up with a clear plan that answers all the above.

to be honest, if you're remotely serious about getting on a podium, you shouldn't even have to think about the answers as you'd already be doing it, but the questions might help you build a plan to get towards your goal 🙂

:LOL:

I know enough to be able to gain and lose weight as I wish.

I know enough to say that you are truly useless when it comes to acheiving your fitness goals. From Torq to iDave to inactivity... hopeless.

So, my final word. Give up.

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I'm not a bad cyclist, especially on flatter MTB courses. That's where I tihnk I coud do well.

What results do you have so far?

You been trying for a year to loose 10kg!!

Really?

And you don't think this has anything to do with the lattes, biscuits and cake?

I'm not a bad cyclist, especially on flatter MTB courses. That's where I tihnk I coud do well.

You've simply been born the wrong nationality, you should have been Dutch - [for sure]

You might have a point, I am not a very good XC racer. However I would have thought it much quicker to sprint up a short steep 30s climb knowing you have a rest on the other side than to twiddle up it in the little ring...

If you are talking training here, then there's two sessions to hills: sprinting up them for 30secs then 2min+ recovery until hr is below zone 1. The 2nd session is over geared climbs which is as it sounds. Do these often and your climbing will come on loads.

My road bike has a power meter, which I've had for about 5 years. I've got a pretty good idea of where my anaerobic threshold is and how long I can go above it and how often.

Are you still using the same watts/zones that you set 5 years ago when you 1st got your power meter or have you tested yourself regularly and changed these since training or not will affect your watts? I would suggest you get a proper ramp test done to get your zones and power set properly and train to that. Having had mine done properly has made a huge difference.

Track racing is hard to find out about but not impossible. Join a road club and look on British cycling for road races - they aren't hard to find, there's loads out there - i'm racing once a week atm!

FWIW, i'm on about 13 hours a week of training on the bike atm, plus 2 hours of weights, and around 3:45 hours of commuting per week. I eat biscuits as and when i want and my weight remained stable since my ramp test in April. I've cut back on the biscuits and have so far lost 0:8kgs in under a week without feeling hard done by. I want to increase my power to weight on the bike, so losing a bit of weight is easiest way to do this although i don't have an awful lot that i want to lose - but i want to win and will pretty much do anything i can to help me!

I can actually hear a bit of what molly is saying. I've got a very good sprint kick on me that I didn't know about till I turned up a rollapaluza night in Bristol. I'd only ever done any mountain biking and no training.. i found i could kick up to 220rpm.. fk knows where that came from

I then joined a local club and found I'm pretty good at sprinting against club mates but come at the end of a road race my legs are in pieces.. I haven't got the stamina or endurance to sprint at the end of 60 miles.

So, yes to be good at something you need to train but for something very short like a rolling 250 on the track or being able to spin your legs fast i think there could be genetics/muscle composition at play.. I dunno i might be clutching at straws here but i hadn't a clue why my leg speed was pretty fast when i'd done no road riding or any specific training

Also.. to add. I've got a few mates in the club that do extremely well on around 6 hours a week (and that's with no training plan, heart rate monitor or power meter)

There's a guy in the chain gang that's nearly 40 that went from 3rd cat to elite this season and he started getting back into cycling in august! (then again he was some junior champion when he was in his teens)

I hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but its like the Tv talent show were everyone is cringing at the singer who KNOWS he is good but who just cant see/hear what everyone else can.
I have never seen so many excuses and it saddens me.
I fear you will continue searching and never find your sporting goal because you dont have the determination too change your life and change is only a small part of it determination, talent and desire make up some of the rest. I understand a lot of what your saying, about time with the family, love of sugary sweets im in your boat here. But what they're saying on here is the honest truth i believe the posters are trying to support you in a harsh way to shock you in to doing something for yourself.
I dont usually get drawn in to these threads but i lurk around many of the running threads and see your posts often.
Can someone please start a helmet thread with Tj now and leave molgrips alone to sort himself out.
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molly.. Newport is going to be shut for a bit as it's used for the olympics for training.

They are doing some sessions at maindy in cardiff i'm told. Best to join the south west velodrome FB group.

Also, cardiff CC often block hire out the track on a friday night (sprint night). It' pretty chilled and you can practice anything you want. I'd advise you do a taster session first or do a fast track course. Hire bikes are cheap to hire.

I was surprised how easy and accessible it is to get into.

And where on earth do they do 100/200m competitions for 36 year old men?

...2m45s for the lazy.

Mol, there's some great short course competitions in here that you could aspire to.

Edit:
I just pressed post then thought how did I managed to double post!?, then twigged 😀

Sorry, Ian. I may be rusty, due to being banned for a week, but I just have natural posting speed. I must have a high percentage of fast twitch fingers.

😀

I must have a high percentage of fast twitch fingers.

I'm developing a twitch as a result of reading these threads.

as for rpm, i have span at up to 206RPM in my spinning classes and thats at 06:30 with no brekky and IIRC nothing to eat the night before apart from an eccles cake and a tin of tuna with some mayo about 18hours before.

yes, yes you can have my autograph, i know i'm awesome.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18779997 ]Does this mean that a big belly does more thinking??[/url]

Got to be worth a watch tomorrow at 9 on BBC4.

ok molly, do you think, honestly, you've got what it takes to win a cycling race? if so:

which discipline:

what distance:

what weight do you think you'd need to be:

how much training do you think you'd need to do for it:

how will you fit that training in:

if we're all to believe in your years of scientific research and experimenting with what you're body can and can't handle, then you should have the knowledge that will inform your answers to the above questions and as you've mentioned so many times on the forum, you're a clever guy so should have no problems in coming up with a clear plan that answers all the above.

to be honest, if you're remotely serious about getting on a podium, you shouldn't even have to think about the answers as you'd already be doing it, but the questions might help you build a plan to get towards your goal

(Repeated so molly doesn't forget to answer my sensible questions)

[i] to be honest, if you're remotely serious about getting on a podium, you shouldn't even have to think about the answers as you'd already be doing it, but the questions might help you build a plan to get towards your goal [/i]

you mean dream, not goal. To get on a podium means winning a race. To win a race one has to enter it in the first place.

How many races have you got under you belt so far this year Molly and what positions have you managed, anywhere in the top 10% yet?

dont distract him from answering my questions keva!

i do agree with what you're saying though.

And you don't think this has anything to do with the lattes, biscuits and cake?

Of course it does.

I'm not making excuses, I know I'm shit at training. At no point have I said 'it's not my fault because...'

All I've said is that for some people staying skinny is easier than for others. That's it. It's not blaming something else for my failure. It means just because you found it easy, don't deride other people who find it harder.

Re Phil:

I think I should be able to win an XC race, I don't know what category. It's all down to weight. If I were 70kg I'd probably win the next Sport race I entered.

I have heard it said that if we lose too much weight our performance will suffer. And that ideal weight is different for different people. I really hope my ideal performance weight is less than 85kg though otherwise I really am screwed and have no chance in MTB.

How many races have you got under you belt so far this year Molly and what positions have you managed, anywhere in the top 10% yet?

No races, I can't get away for races right at the moment. Doesn't mean I should just sit on the sofa all the time though does it?

If I were 70kg I'd probably win the next Sport race I entered.

I'm 68kg. I'd get lapped if I entered a XC race.

It's all down to weight. If I were 70kg I'd probably win the next Sport race I entered.

Be honest, you were chuckling while typing that.

Doesn't mean I should just sit on the sofa all the time though does it?

Why not? You're a natural.

Yes, I'm not likley to ever be 70kg...

Yeti's link is interesting. Hunger can affect your brain it seems.. and make you forget about dieting and mtb racing...

Why not? You're a natural.

Bellend alert.

I think I should be able to win an XC race, I don't know what category. It's all down to weight. If I were 70kg I'd probably win the next Sport race I entered.

I have heard it said that if we lose too much weight our performance will suffer. And that ideal weight is different for different people. I really hope my ideal performance weight is less than 85kg though otherwise I really am screwed and have no chance in MTB.

ok, so do you feel that loosing 10kg would be bad or good for your racing prospects?

Bellend alert.

I appear to have touched a nerve.*

*[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18779997 ]Possibly gut based[/url].

i am sub 70 kg it does not mean i am super fit

Yeti's link is interesting. Hunger can affect your brain it seems.. and make you forget about dieting and mtb racing...

its not saying anything new, anything we haven't discussed in diet threads before.... and the advice about eating slowly is as old as using tapeworms to lose weight.

the link never said it'd make people forget about dieting or exercise, did you write that to provoke a response or did you forget a 😆 to indicate you're joking? cos there are people trying to help here...

[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/my-first-xc-race ]molgrips xc race description[/url]

There'll be a mad rush at the start and you'll go off too fast and be in pain after a few minutes. So then you'll slow down to a sensible pace and still be in pain. Lots of fast people will fly by you at this point. So from 5 minutes in you are going to be on a nice bike ride around the woods. You may see some people from time to time, but you won't quite know if they are in your race or not so you will chase them down but be unsure if you should be pleased or not.

After 30-40 mins you'll be tired and think 'oh crud I'm only half way!'

Then after an hour or so you will get cramp and have to slow down some more. When you get to the end you'll have someone announce your name and utterly nobody will pay you any attention. You'll ask your position and be told XXth, but you won't know how many people were actually in your category anyway.

You'll eagerly await the results on the website at work on Monday and then when you finally find out, your reaction will be:

'Oh'.

Then you'll do it all again in a few weeks

EDIT: just noticed you are entering Sport. Expect everyone to disappear inside the first 20 seconds, and your only company will be bewildered folk who didn't realise how hardcore Sport is

I'd suggest Open for a first race unless you know you are sh*t hot!

[i] No races, I can't get away for races right at the moment. Doesn't mean I should just sit on the sofa all the time though does it? [/i]

no it doesn't mean you should sit on the sofa all the time but it does mean your chances of winning in sport are errrm, 'scuse the pun, slim.

When you eventually do enter a race what bike are you going to ride ?

I would like to see a change to this forum where OPs are allowed to close their own threads 💡

the link never said it'd make people forget about dieting or exercise, did you write that to provoke a response or did you forget a to indicate you're joking?

Well I'm not making a serious point, but doesn't everyone else get that? When you're really hungry you can only think about food like some kind of ravenous Mr Hyde...?

no it doesn't mean you should sit on the sofa all the time but it does mean your chances of winning in sport are errrm, 'scuse the pun, slim.

I know they are slim, yes.

I ride my race bike.

Edit

Molly's trolling, has to be, I'm not doing this anymore.

I would like to see a change to this forum where OPs are allowed to close their own threads

You must feel like Dr Frankenstein...

molly not eating biscuits and cake has nothing to do with training.

I know, I am also shit at dieting.

Did you read my post where I said I ate twixes and got faster and lost 2 more kg?

How about doing a sub 2 hour marathon instead?
Apparently if you believe you can do it, you can do it.
[url] http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/07/09/hobie-call-would-be-sub-200-marathoner/ [/url]

Umm, I argued like hell with him at first, then I took the time to research and I've taken SOME of his advice.

When you're really hungry you can only think about food like some kind of ravenous Mr Hyde...?

less so when i've cut down on sugars, more so now i'm snacking on sugars again at work.

my willpower with food is terrible, always admitted that. my desire to maintain a reasonable level of base, not race, fitness means i exercise more than you though, so i dont beat myself up, or try to reason that i'd be faster if i fuelled my rides by twixes, cheesecake and coke.

some dreams are just that... dreams. unless you do something seriously enough to make them achievable then they'll stay just dreams. its nice to have dreams 🙂 one day i dream of being a dinosaur and stomping around with tiny little t-rex arms, maybe be a great white shark for a day... but i'm not kidding myself that they're ever going to happen if i pretend to be a shark 4 hours a week.

be a good dad, exercise for your health, diet for your health... health thats important if you want more time on this planet with your little girl.

ride for fun, you've made it clear you're not going to put the effort in to train for wining races.

and stop trolling.

i am sub 70 kg it does not mean i am super fit

We can't all be built like telegraph poles, Don.

...some of us are more bollard shaped.

haha jamies well short. he also runs pretty damn fast so i'm assuming he's either a chubster who only runs downhill, or he's a skinny guy pretending to be fat.

bit like darcy, who used to pretend to be fat when he was thin, but now he is fat cos he's having a baby. darcy is short too. and so is yeti. iDave however... is TALL and intimidatingly good at both endurance AND sprint rides. they all ate my potatoes, make of that what you will 😯

@Jamie. Welcome back dudester.
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There's no way on earth I could ever do well at 5km or above. And where on earth do they do 100/200m competitions for 36 year old men?

Most athletics clubs hold open meetings, they wont have all events you could definitely find senior men 100m events though.

Out of interest what is your 100/200/400 PB?

haha jamies well short. he also runs pretty damn fast..

Compared to the runners on here I'm bloody not.

*glares at seanoc, ahwiles, ianmunro, djglover, pieface, finbar, emsz etc etc*

one day i dream of being a dinosaur and stomping around with tiny little t-rex arms

In my daydreams I'm a blurry bear... I'm well scary, but only when the people I charge at squint their eyes.

No, it means you're probably quite short.

When I went to Wales and was playing footy I used to stay up front. i heard a shout of get back big man and naturally ignored it. I heard it again and realised they meant me

i went back and one person was taller than me and he was English I am 5 ft 9

they all ate my potatoes, make of that what you will

they all ate my potatoes, make of that what you will

I'm confused. So did they eat dreaded carbz, or meat?

be a good dad, exercise for your health, diet for your health... health thats important if you want more time on this planet with your little girl.

ride for fun, you've made it clear you're not going to put the effort in to train for wining races.

Molly - see that? ^^^^

Do it and realise it's the best route to take, you'll be happier all round

i cooked us all a roast as our post ride meal, it included some roasted sweet potatoes and they all nommed it down.

what make me very excited was the size of darcy's bulging biceps, bigger that yetis! that BMF thing works well for him 😯

I'm not short Phil... I'm just stood really far away.

what make me very excited was the size of darcy's bulging biceps, bigger that yetis! that BMF thing works well for him

I would imagine that is mostly from manhandling wood all day.

Do it and realise it's the best route to take, you'll be happier all round

For Chrissake don't call him round!!!##!?? You'll get a whole new thread started...

sorry 😳

I don't think you have enough knowledge to put yourself in the position of only taking SOME advice, especially when I fear that you are picking up on the wrong bits

I didn't cherry pick which bits I fancied. I followed the plan, it didn't give me enough energy, I modified it and had better results.

Since then I've struggled with consistency for reasons of lifestyle. And I've tried a few different modifications to see if that helps me.

ride for fun

I'd hardly get anything done if that was my aim. The fun rides are the ones I am struggling to find time for. The rides I actually do are the ones I can fit in when I'm either away or the kids are in bed.

my [s]desire to maintain a reasonable level of base, not race, fitness[/s] lack of kids means i exercise more than you though

FTFY. And this isn't a moan, it's a light hearted quip. Yes I know kids are time consuming etc etc etc before you find something else to mock me for.

I'd hardly get anything done if that was my aim. The fun rides are the ones I am struggling to find time for.

You've lost it completely if there's no fun there, make them all fun rides and relax a bit more, get out with the missus and nipper on bikes instead, stop at pubs and have fun. Forget about being competitive, you can still race but you'll need to do what most of us do and accept mediocrity.

make them all fun rides

Got any tips for how to make a 45 minute session in the dark and rain fun? It's pointless if you aren't training, but training gives it a goal and purpose.

Re riding with the family, well of course I've thought of that.. we get out when we can but Mrs Grips is no great rider, and she won't ride in bad weather which scuppers things a bit lately.

Got any tips for how to make a 45 minute session in the dark and rain fun?

Wear a hat.

Mrs Grips is no great rider, and she won't ride in bad weather which scuppers things a bit lately.

Likewise Mrs 16. It's great when we can all ride together, but it's still fun (if dark and rainy) when it's just me.

Trolgrips please stop... you're killing me!

Got any tips for how to make a 45 minute session in the dark and rain fun?

I'm apparently beyond understanding by you lot..!

So you're saying the best thing for me to do is give up biking save for once a month or so, yes?

I think the best thing for you to do is to try and eat your own head.

Got any tips for how to make a 45 minute session in the dark and rain fun?

I'm sure you can find daylight at this time of year
The rain isn't that bad, I've just done 23 road miles in it, the last half was torrential, I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy after a hot shower and lunch

Learn to enjoy it or stop training.

So you're saying the best thing for me to do is give up biking save for once a month or so, yes?

No, go out every day for fun if you want

Learn to enjoy it or stop training.

FFS.

Got any more brilliant insights?

No, go out every day for fun if you want

Family be damned? I'm not the only person to have conflicting interests, am I?

This is getting totally pointless. 5 pages of spurious advice I never asked for. I understand the issues far better than any of you lot and yet you are all queueing up to tell me what to do, ranging from 'give up fattie' to 'get on with it'.

Most of you have totally misunderstood my entire point, but keep on going anyway.

Trolgrips - what [i]is[/i] your point caller?

Family be damned? I'm not the only person to have conflicting interests, am I?

We've done this already, go early, go at lunchtime etc. etc. etc.
Aren't you away from the family now anyway?

There's a 1001 reasons not to do stuff but often only 1 reason to do it, let us know when you've exhausted the 1001

I'm giving up now, you're worn me down

Learn to enjoy it or stop training.
FFS.

Got any more brilliant insights?

Actually that was the best bit of advise on the thread

some dreams are just that... dreams. unless you do something seriously enough to make them achievable then they'll stay just dreams. its nice to have dreams one day i dream of being a dinosaur and stomping around with tiny little t-rex arms, maybe be a great white shark for a day... but i'm not kidding myself that they're ever going to happen if i pretend to be a shark 4 hours a week.

be a good dad, exercise for your health, diet for your health... health thats important if you want more time on this planet with your little girl.

ride for fun, you've made it clear you're not going to put the effort in to train for wining races.

and stop trolling.

all that ^ and:

[b][i][/b]my desire to maintain a reasonable level of base, not race, fitness lack of kids means i exercise more than you though[/i][b]

FTFY. And this isn't a moan, it's a light hearted quip. Yes I know kids are time consuming etc etc etc before you find something else to mock me for.

is the only bit you respond to, not the:

some dreams are just that... dreams. unless you do something seriously enough to make them achievable then they'll stay just dreams. its nice to have dreams one day i dream of being a dinosaur and stomping around with tiny little t-rex arms, maybe be a great white shark for a day... but i'm not kidding myself that they're ever going to happen if i pretend to be a shark 4 hours a week.

be a good dad, exercise for your health, diet for your health... health thats important if you want more time on this planet with your little girl.

important, sensible advice that is right there.

so agian, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN WIN RACES? ARE YOU WILLING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN THEM?

i dont even want you to answer those two questions, i just want you to think hard about the answers and either take some action or go be a good dad and stop chasing a dream that you're unwilling to give up your lifestyle to attain.

i'm not telling you to spend less time with your kids or telling you to train more, i'm telling you to use your big brain to try and gain some self-awareness, work out what you REALLY want then do something about it instead of trolling STW.

Trolgrips - what is your point caller?

I'm trying to get my point across.

There's a 1001 reasons not to do stuff but often only 1 reason to do it, let us know when you've exhausted the 1001

I'm not coming up with reasons not to do stuff.

I've said what my constraints are, what things are making things difficult, and how I try to get round them. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

I don't know why you lot are continually reeling off obvious statements like I somehow need it. It's ridiculous, and it makes me look like something other than I really am. Which is why I'm trying to explain over and over again, cos like I say I can't stand to be misrepresented.

I've not moaned once, just explained how it is. Not blaming anyone else, not deciding I can't do it. I do think I can do it, and this is me trying. I can't understand these allegations of excuse making.

Where did I say 'I can't train because of X or Y'?

I do think I can do it, and this is me trying.

no, tis you spending time on an internet forum arguing about what you can't do and how different you are instead of sitting on a bike building up whatever fibres you need to win whatever you want.

I'm on the internet forum because I'm at bloody work and sneaking a look at STW is a lot easier than sneaking off for a bike ride!

Did you not notice the hour or so I was offline last night WHEN I WAS OUT TRAINING?!!!

FFS

arguing about what you can't do

I've told you I can't train 20 hours a week, if that's what you mean.. but I'm the one saying I can still train and be quick. It's you lot that are telling me to give up!

but I'm the one saying I can still train and be quick.

You won't do it though. Certainly not until you start enjoying it!

Wow.

Internet psychology is mildly diverting; I think you're scared.

Excuse after excuse, its the time, its the kids, its family life, its the mornings, its the carbs, its the lack of carbs, I'm actually a sprinter....

I do feel sorry for you, because there is something holding you back that I don't think you'll overcome; you.

I'll suggest again something that's already been said; you're not special, there are millions of people just like you.
Stop making excuses, stop being frightened of failure and success.

Excuse after excuse, its the time, its the kids, its family life, its the mornings, its the carbs, its the lack of carbs, I'm actually a sprinter....

THOSE ARE NOT EXCUSES

Can someone define excuse for me please?

I've said many times I'm not good at training or dieting. So where's the excuse? Where am I diverting responsibility?

Stop making excuses, stop being frightened of failure and success.

Stop inventing personalities

I'm not good at training or dieting

Sound like more excuses to me 😛

Did you not notice the hour or so I was offline last night WHEN I WAS OUT TRAINING?!!!

why would i? i wasn't online either 🙂

excuse - a reason not to do/achieve something.

they're all excuses.

if you weren't frightened, you'd have entered some races, if you can spend time on STW at work then you can spend time googling races to enter.

i wont enter races as i have no desire to enter races, if you want to win races then entering them is kinda essential.

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