[Closed] Weight loss - 5.2kg in one week!

A leg?..
Edit..sorry, I missed the husband to be bit, your wallet....

Your head?

Our collective will to live?

control over your bowel movements? (aka, the 'D Plan')

This South Beach diet sounds like another one of these 'live like our ancestors' fad diets that seem to be popular on here.

In order to get back to normal average sizes we need to look back and see what they did different
With that in mind, perhaps the [url= http://www.healthyweightforum.org/eng/diets/tapeworm-diet/ ]tapeworm diet [/url]is the way to go?
After all, most of our ancestors probably had them

you big fanny

[i]you big fanny [/i]

would that weigh 5.2kg?

'live like our ancestors' fad diets

They're not fads. People ate like that for millennia!

[i]People ate like that for millennia![/i]

I'm going to eat like I do for millenia too. Or die trying.

This South Beach diet sounds like another one of these 'live like our ancestors' fad diets that seem to be popular on here.

Well of course they did... they didn't have the ability to eat any other way.

We went without medicine for millenia too... doesn't mean it was a good idea.

How about water purification, should we go back to non-treated water ?

How about water purification, should we go back to non-treated water ?

I'll just check my Paleo 'tablet', I'm sure the answer is carved in it somewhere.

The south beach diet does work for quick weight loss but is really hard to maintain as it suggested.

The South Beach Diet Phases

Phase 1, The Strictest Phase of the Diet - Lasts 14 days

In the first phase, you eat normal-sized helpings of lean meats, such as chicken, turkey, fish, and shellfish. Vegetables are also allowed, so are nuts, cheese, and eggs. The goal is to eat three balanced meals a day, and to eat enough so that you don’t feel hungry all the time.

Diet Foods to enjoy includes tenderloin, sirloin, skinless chicken or turkey breasts, all types of fish, boiled ham, turkey bacon, whole eggs, fat-free cheeses, peanuts and pistachios, green vegetables, legumes, canola and olive oils.

Diet Foods to avoid include, beef rib steaks, honey-baked ham, breast of veal, all yoghurt, ice cream, milk including whole, low-fat, soy, and full fat cheeses, beets, carrots, corn, yams, fruits and fruit juices, all alcohol, all starchy foods such as bread, cereal, oatmeal, matzo, rice, pasta, pastries, baked goods, crackers, etc.

Expected Weight Loss: 8-13 pounds.

Phase 2, More Liberal Phase Lasts Until You Reach Your Weight Loss Goal

The second phase is similar to the first phase, but you reintroduce some of the banned foods and eat from all the dietary food groups. You can start eating high-fibre carbohydrates, such as whole-grain breads, which raise your insulin levels in a much milder way that do simple, starchy carbohydrates.

Additional Diet Foods to enjoy include, most fruits, fat-free or 1 percent milk, other low-fat dairy foods, whole grain starches, barley and pinto beans and red wine.

Diet foods to eat sparingly, include: refined wheat baked goods, potatoes, beets, carrots, bananas, pineapple, watermelon and honey.

Expected Weight Loss: 1-2 pounds per week.

Phase 3 - Weight Maintenance

This diet phase, which is an even more liberal version of the initial diet plan, lasts the rest of your life. It should be used to maintain your healthy weight. Agatston describes this phase as a “way of life.” Should your weight begin to climb, you repeat the diet plan.

You've used up your carb stores (and not replaced them). Each gram of carbs you store also stores 4g of water or something, so there's quite a bit of water tied up there.

You could be right, from what I'm seeing the modern, up to date, diet of processed food is clearly the way to go.

I'm fairly confident you can use the modern world to obtain a wider variety of healthy food than our ancestors did without having to eat processed food.

you can use the modern world to obtain a wider variety of healthy food than our ancestors did

But that ain't Paleo Molly!

I'm fairly confident you can use the modern world to obtain a wider variety of healthy food than our ancestors did without having to eat processed food.

Er like fruit that doesn't grow in the UK, or - if you want to back to pre-agricultural times, pretty much any fruit and veg out of season. And dairy products including eggs.

I'm just taking issue with your post that seemed to imply the choice is either paleo or processed junk.

You entered the Nevis Tri yet Molly? How's the training going?

So you mean the difference between getting your Vit C from UK grown strawberries as opposed to those Valencian oranges.
So you're right in there being greater variety but not necessarily that the greater variety is offering any thing more than was available previously.

don, I can make bread that will last a few days. Just add oil...I use rape seed as it's got not taste.

I always wonder why, if the paleo diet was so good, what it was that made out ancestors stop eating it?

So you mean the difference between getting your Vit C from UK grown strawberries as opposed to those Valencian oranges

No, because in paleolithic times there was no agriculture, and no strawberries outside of June-September. You couldn't even store locally grown winter veg either, because even if they had the means to store it without it going off/being eaten by bears, they wouldn't have been able to grow a surplus without agriculture.

I always wonder why, if the paleo diet was so good, what it was that made out ancestors stop eating it?

Mr Kellogg.

they wouldn't have been able to grow a surplus without agriculture.

Wouldn't that be 'find' a surplus as if they were purposefully growing it then that would be agriculture?

[i]Mr Kellogg. [/i]

Who was a bit of a nutter, from most of what I've read, for instance;

[i]He was very much against sex. He believed that sex and masturbation (and eating meat) led to weakness, illness, and eventually death.

I don't think it was quite so much a religious belief in him as a set of quack medical theories that he subscribed to.

He wasn't the only person in the 19th century claiming that masturbation and other sexual expressions caused insanity, illness, and death, though-- this was a fairly popular theory among medical writers and doctors of the time. They also prescribed arsenic and strychnine as medicines.

Just to remind us that everything wasn't better in the old days.

I found this quote from one of Kellog's books:
"In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid [phenol] to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement."
No doubt.[/i]

means to store it without it going off/being eaten by bears, they wouldn't have been able to grow a surplus without agriculture.

He was very much against sex. He believed that sex and masturbation (and eating meat) led to weakness, illness, and eventually death.

wwasawas, did you see that thread a while back? I thought Jamie was being silly. I read some other stuff re Kellog, what a weirdo, but back then it wasn't uncommon!!

That carbolic thing makes me cross my legs everytime I read it *shudder* Can you imagine!!

Wouldn't that be 'find' a surplus as if they were purposefully growing it then that would be agriculture?

They wouldn't have been able to grow a surplus, because they weren't growing anything.

Bored today Yeti? Or do you feel the need to nitpick absolutely every post I make?

I always wonder why, if the paleo diet was so good, what it was that made out ancestors stop eating it?
Mr Kellogg.

Does this not make the name paleo rather misleading if we were still eating it up to 1900 or so?

According to [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet ]Wikipedia[/url] it refers to the exclusion of grains and dairy products which were eaten long before Mr Kellogg came along.

I am not trying to be argumentative, but I think that although our ancestors may (or may not) have been healthy due to their diets being different and simpler, at some point they must have begun to broaden their diet. Presumably taste was one factor, anothers might be that they felt better / had more energy / were healthier / could feed more for the same effort / greater variety etc. They didn't make this choice because of the marketing departments of food companies and there is long history of humans between the paleo period and the 1900s when Kellogg etc. began processing food when food was reasonably healthy and people did OK.

Basically, I can't see beyond it being a fad.

Does this not make the name paleo rather misleading if we were still eating it up to 1900 or so?

We weren't. Paleo means pre-agricultural, so no grains.

I too do not think that just because we evolved to eat particular foods doesn't mean anything else is bound to be harmful. In reality we evolved (like all omnivores) to be very flexible and be able to eat just about anything. This is one reason we are so successful as a species (in biological terms, no argument about what defines success please).

Plus our ancestors used to eat wildly different things depending on where they were.

MLC - I'm just trotting out the usual Paleo shite that comes up on these threads... trying to find the bad man that made us fat and absolve us, as individuals, from any responsibility from our own weight problems.

Bored - err, not really. I just thought I'd become as binary as you seem to have regarding these diet threads.

[i]wwasawas, did you see that thread a while back? I thought Jamie was being silly.[/i]

missed that I think but I've been hearign odd stuff about Kellog for years.

I do wonder what medical 'norm' will be sneered at in a 150 years time and it's proponents consigned to the 'weirdo' bin of history. My money's on homeopaths 😉

I think trying to guess what people eat thousands of years ago and relating that to us now is pretty pointless. People weren't fat 30 years ago let alone thousands...

there's no need for special diets, eat normal portions of home prepared food, don't snack, do some exersize. It's really simple.

Fair point Yeti.

Bored - err, not really. I just thought I'd become as binary as you seem to have regarding these diet threads.

I'm not binary at all, I just take issue with specific things people've said that I consider to be incorrect or misleading 🙂

I don't think paeleo is bad at all, I'm sure it's very healthy, but I do slightly disagree with the reasoning that it's the only healthy way because it's what we evolved to eat. And that all modern food is bad processed food.

there's no need for special diets, eat normal portions of home prepared food, don't snack, do some exersize. It's really simple.

Depends on your and your aims. That'll stop you being obese, for sure. But as we've said a million times, there are more reasons for weight loss than not being morbidly obese. Don't say it's simple unless you've been there.

People weren't fat 30 years ago

Of course they were. Not quite as many, but they still were fat of course. My uncle is 70-odd, fat and has had three heart bypasses.

I just take issue with specific things people've said that I consider to be incorrect or misleading

Cool, it has felt like you've been trolling a little... deliberately misinterpreting what has been said or taking a very polarised interpretation of a comment. Forgetting that though...

How's your weight loss going at the moment? What current tactics are you using?

How's your weight loss going at the moment?

Rubbish. Too tired and preoccupied with family to dedicate much time to training, which is the issue. Stuck at about 86.

Clock is ticking at Big Ben Nevis... 😕

Why do people keep saying how simple it is to stay slim? The usual suspects tend to be young childless exercise addicts, what do they know about how easy it is for thirty something mother of three or someone with a gammy leg or...?

So Bagstard... how do the (slim) 30 something mothers that I know do it?

Chance. Easy for some, not others. You know this Yeti.

What I'm saying TSY is it is easy for people to generalise, but we are all different and lead different lives. Some mothers/fathers have more money/support/free time than others. My wife and I juggle child care and take turns going to the gym, I can't go as many times as I like as I used to. I have always been into fitness and interested in nutrition, so it comes fairly easy to me, but I can easily see this isn't the case for everyone.

Molly - IMO it's psychological differences that make it easier or harder.

A better question then... what advice would you give to the average 30 something mother of 3 to help her stay/get slim?

Bagstard... agreed, good point. I'm not as much of a diet Nazi as people may think. The psychological support needed for individuals may be different, I wouldn't particularly advocate exercise... less food has got to go in the mouth in the majority of cases though!

dont eat off your kids plates, eat less, move more. teach your kids how to cook using raw ingredients, train the kids to enjoy snacking on veg instead of choc and crisps so the 'treats' in the house that everyone can access are carrot sticks.

use the kids as resistance training

Molly - IMO it's psychological differences that make it easier or harder.

Far less significant than the physiological ones, I think. We all know people who can and do eat like crap and are skinny. That proves that it's physical, and it's not at all rare.

[i]Why do people keep saying how simple it is to stay slim?[/i]

errr, because it is!

OK, I'm a slightly hyperactive kinda person, and I don't sit still for long! but I still cook all my food from scratch, (and make my gf her dinner for the week!!) BUT I don't eat giant bags of crips, I don't eat muffins, I don't eat all the crap stuff that's all over the supermarket!

people need to be honest with themselves about it really, it's easy to take it loads of calories, and getting rid of them is pretty hard. (I read somewhere that 1 digestive is 20 mins of running!!)

Personally I ditched bread etc at the start of the year and generally live a loosely based primal/idiet life. It works well for me and I enjoy it, but your average person wont be able to get their head around it. Things have got to change, but with processed food being such big business I don't have much hope. I'm no food Nazi either, but bread and pasta are a treat for me now, as opposed to staple foods.

Molgrips - I bet they don't overeat though!! What they eat may not be that healthy but they don't eat too much of it. Fat people eat too much... it is that simple. 'Why they do' is where I have sympathy and is the problem that needs addressing.

emsz, I have to ask you my usual diet related question, how old are you? I know you should never ask a lady, but the younger you are, the easier it is to stay slim. In theory many things are easy, but in practice this is often not the case. My dad is now 65 and weighs nine stone for his 5'6" frame, he has never had much of an appetite or interest in food, we are all different.

emsz - I agree with you, but I happen to think you have the very same approach to diet that my Mrs does... it's not that conventional IMO... but if you can do it... it's a piece of piss to stay slim.

bagstad, I'm 21. I'm 160cm and I weigh 45kg.

I'm lucky I suppose,both my parents are naturally slim, but my auntie (mum sister) is about the same height as me, but about 100kg? (easily) and that's food that does that!!

agree with Yeti here, why people eat what they do is important, but it IS food.

Edit: Yeti, she likes being hungry? I know I've got issues with food, and I know it's not that rare, probably just as unhealthy as being overweight

21 em, no kids yet... 🙂

emsz - She's got amazing self control and will power...

Yes but her life and body will change with age and child birth. I'm just saying it is easy to make judgement in your natural physical prime. People are having children later and later, some are pregnant again before their bodies have recovered from the first. Lack o sleep with young children, all these things have an impact and you and your body are nolonger the number one priority.

Agreed Bagstard... so how do we help them? What advice do we give them?

I'm pretty sure they don't want to join me for a dip in a lake at half 6 in the morning but they might want to stop eating cake and saying things like 'everything in moderation, I'm only having one piece'.

Molgrips - I bet they don't overeat though!! What they eat may not be that healthy but they don't eat too much of it

Not true. I've seen it first hand. My Dad was always extremely skinny despite eating tons and tons. Now, at 65, he's skinny with a small paunch.

I have worked with very skinny people who've eaten loads every day. One of my colleagues is built like me, somewhat lighter but slightly taller, and when we were on the same project (for several years) he would bring a big packed lunch, eat it mid morning and then go to the canteen for a cooked meal as well. He played football twice or three times a week, whilst I was riding 10 hours+ a week.

I also know a bloke who is the same height as me (5'11) and weighs 9.5 stone. He spent years eating as much as he possibly could to try and gain weight, but couldn't.

So you're wrong.

What did they eat in the evenings Mol?

How the f am I supposed to know? Of the ones I ate with in the evenings, the same as usual.

You're onto a loser if you try to argue that everyone who eats a lot is fat. It's just not true. End of.

How do we help them?! The million dollar question, but my personal belief is the standard western diet of carbs does not really work, but with Kellogs and co at the helm I see no hope for change. All I can do is try my best to influence those close to me, it wont be me that takes my son for his first happy meal.

Our kid eats treats regularly (but not frequently). She used to be a bit of an animal with the treaty stuff, but now she's indifferent mostly. Plan seems to be working 🙂

My 19 month old son stayed with my MIL the other week, when I collected him at 11am he had chocolate all round his mouth and was sucking a lollypop!!! Lord give me strength!

[i]21 em, no kids yet.[/i] unlikely either unless there's going to be a turkey baster and ****ing involved. 😆

Molly It IS true, look around you, loads of fat people who've got fat because they eat too much calorie heavy food, there's always going to be the odd one or two that can eat whatever they want, but for most people that's not the case.

Molly It IS true, look around you, loads of fat people who've got fat because they eat too much calorie heavy food,

That's not what I am saying.

Fat people are often fat because they eat too much, but it is NOT true that all thin people are thin because they don't eat a lot.

Yes, but the problem isn't thin people eating a lot and staying thin is it?

The problem is thin people eating too much and getting fat.

em, you are still very young and that may well be the route you take!
If you do your life and staying slim will be more difficult, it's perfectly normal.

I'm not saying that is the problem.

But Yeti was assuming that it's easy to control what you eat and stay thin because he knows lots of thin people.

What I am saying is that people's bodies respond to what they eat VERY differently. As demonstrated by the numerous thin people who eat loads.

The consequence of that is that it's very much harder for some people to lose weight than others. And that means it is NOT FAIR to deride everyone who's a 10kg overweight for being weak and feeble minded.

That is my point.

it is NOT FAIR to deride everyone who's a 10kg overweight for being weak and feeble minded.

I'm usually weak and feeble minded most Winters, deride at your pleasure 🙂

It's a lot harder now [at 53] than it ever was in my 20s to control my weight as I wanted but still possible - probably because I'm a stubborn, awkward sod

Well I'm 15Kg overweight and it's because I'm weak and feeble-minded :p There are times I'm having some boring vegetable-based concoction and wonder to myself what's the point, I'd rather die fat and happy than thin and miserable. But then I find if I'm actually training it's much easier to convince myself it's worth it. My basic problem is I just don't really like the taste of most of the stuff that's good for you, or can't be arsed with cooking tasty healthy meals when the microwave's just sitting there...

+1 molgrips!Some people really lucked out in the genetics game, life isn't fair!

[i]it is NOT FAIR to deride everyone who's a 10kg overweight for being weak and feeble minded.[/i]

hmmm, they don't have control over going into a supermarket, choosing and paying for donuts and moving their arm to their mouth and eating them?

It's not the whole problem I know, but not eating shit is a big start!! I don't buy cake, if I want cake, I have to make it, I know I'm going to have to get off my butt and go into the kitchen and stir up a whole bunch of ingredients I tend not to keep them either, so 9/10 it invloves a trip to the shops and then wait an hour or two for it to be ready....I don't eat a lot of cake...y'know 🙄

I have noticed I eat more on days when I don't exercise - a bit counter intuitive but ........

hmmm, they don't have control over going into a supermarket, choosing and paying for donuts and moving their arm to their mouth and eating them?

There are people who don't eat tons of crap and are still 10kg or more overweight.

Maybe you don't know any of them, but I do.

I think you are missing my point a little bit here.

hmmm, they don't have control over going into a supermarket, choosing and paying for donuts and moving their arm to their mouth and eating them?

Ok I'm wrong. Everyone's a fat slob with no will power, and needs to be laughed at.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves on me and my wife.

Molly have you ever watched the crispy-creme stand at Tesco? or at mark down time when they sell the bakery stuff cheap? those really big cookies, 5 in a pack..I've seen them being sold for 15p...and the people that buy them...they waddle.

People generally eat too much, and even if it's not sweet stuff, then go to Pubs and watch them drink pint after pint, or brewers fare on Sunday lunch and the all you can eat buffet...

People are fat Molly, and they're fat cos they eat shit all day, and bitch and moan 'cos they can't have 'snacks'

Edit: Who's laughing at you here? you do loads of exersize and you understand about food, I'm talking about people who just don't get it!!

don, I'll bet you know someone who is skinny, yet eats a large amount?! Surely then the opposite is perfectly feasable?!

metabolism right:

fast metabolism = eat loads, hardly put on/near impossible to put on weight. eat less, lose weight, get unwell.

slow metabolism = easy to put on weight, eat less to lose weight, eat what 'normal people' eat to put on weight. you can control weight with a strict diet and will power/psychological support of some sorts.

medication that effects metabolism/weight gain = can still use diet to control weight.

molly, stop taking things personally! discussing the general public, not you! if yeti's not allowed to use himself as an example then neither is anybody else surely?!

don, I'll bet you know someone who is skinny, yet eats a large amount?! Surely then the opposite is perfectly feasable?!

People are fat Molly, and they're fat cos they eat shit all day, and bitch and moan 'cos they can't have 'snacks'

Do I eat shit all day then?

Do I eat shit all day then?

You're onto a loser if you try to argue that everyone who eats a lot is fat.

Not what I'm trying to say at all. I eat a lot. I'm not fat. I burn a lot of calories.

What I am trying to say is that everyone who is fat has eaten too much, for them, at some point.

I'm not laughing at anyone BTW.