[Closed] Wearing A Tie At Work.

I'll be in jeans tomorrow. And my legal advice will be as good as ever.

But will anyone listen to it when all they can see are your jeans?

What kind of scruff wouldn't want to wear a tie????

Current contract: Every day (usually a bow tie) except Friday for me, almost always with Chinos and a cotton shirt. Fridays are for smart jeans or red or orange trousers with a linen shirt. By choice.

Other contracts: Suit when required.

Ties are smart.

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But will anyone listen to it when all they can see are your jeans?

CEO, exec and senior management will be dressed much the same. Household name FTSE 100 company.

It's not what you look like, it's what you do that counts. I'll be disappointed (though accepting) when I move on and have to return to suit wearing.

will anyone listen to it when all they can see are your jeans?

Not read thread but it is sexism in kind unless they make women wear them

the only item of clothing that does not keep you warmer utterly pointless.

That said i would not wear a suit and not put on a tie so that is twice a decade covered.

It's not what you look like, it's what you do that counts.

That's what I was trying to say, pretty much.

Judge me based on my appearance, that's not my failing. Ultimately I'd rather be underestimated than overestimated.

It's a choice like saying you choose Gore over dhb or baggy over lycra

As for ties, can't stand 'em. I tend to live in jeans and polo shirts.

It's not what you look like, it's what you do that counts.

I've always seen ties and flash suits as a crutch for people who don't really do anything

I'm a programmer and if I don't do anything I get my contract terminated.

I really don't get ties = smart thing. Smart is something special not everyday wear.

Why not be smart every day?

I quite like ties, used to like them a lot! Must have done as I still have 30 plus and culled dozens of them. Then ten /eleven years ago decided not to wear one. Only once about four years ago have I strayed, I was speaking in a House of Lords meeting room and thought I better wear a tie but took it off once I arrived. They are strange things, some sort of bastardisation of a neckerchief/napkin/hider of buttons which I am sure we will look back on as a most odd and unnecessary addition to our clothing. Can you imagine one in any futuristic film other than to represent an anachronism. As time goes on I am also finding it harder to trust someone with a tie on.... that says more about me than them but ties do seem to be part of the 'system'.
Think I still quite like them, I must do as I still have 30 plus in my wardrobe.

I'm a school teacher. I used to work at a school where the uniform was that every kid had to wear a tie, and I always wore a tie. I couldn't bring mayself to pull up a kid for not wearing a tiie if I wasn't wearing one either. I now work at a school where the uniform doesn't stipulate that a tie must be worn, and I never wear a tie.

I would think twice about moving to a school where I HAD to wear a tie, but it wouldn't necessarily stop me.

Why I don't need a tie at work: Our last CEO

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Ultimately I'd rather be underestimated than overestimated.

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I'm looking forward to returning to a corporate environment after a good few years freelance. Suit was only worn for meetings after that whatever the hell I liked, normally shorts and a t shirt.

To me if you are going to dress formally then it must be done properly, anything else makes you look like a muppet. Last job I had where formal wear was required I tended to wear shirt, tie and trousers with a sports jacket or blazer in summer, if I was in customer or supplier meetings the suit was wielded ( always a 3 piece). Any time we left the office it was jackets back on. If you were going down into the shop floor it was safety boots and a white lab coat with tie tucked into your shirt. If you were going to actually get your hands mucky then it was a boiler suit sans tie. Saturdays you could wear what you like. On St Andrew's day I'd wheel out the kilt - which did look a real treat when coupled with a lab coat and safety boots!

I hate "business casual" it just makes blokes look like they are an extra from eastenders or a purveyor of Peruvian marching powder. Not sure how I'm going to go for this new job as it is sort of formal, the issue I have is my hair is now quite long, coupled with a beard, but the role will involve a fair chunk of hands on. I'm thinking decent jeans, decent open necked shirt, waistcoat and a tweed sports jacket for day to day (safety boots to be worn). Suit of formal days, kilt for St Andrews of course.

What do you think folks?

JulianA - Member
What kind of scruff wouldn't want to wear a tie????

Current contract: Every day (usually a bow tie) except Friday for me, almost always with Chinos and a cotton shirt. Fridays are for smart jeans or red or orange trousers with a linen shirt. By choice.

Other contracts: Suit when required.

Ties are smart.

You've not mentioned why the job would be right for you. You just moaned about wearing ties. If the job is right, the dress code should barely register in your decision. Do you really want the job?

If you do then wear a bloody tie.

Ties wear if you're comfortably or required. Don't ever look like the "My Boss Makes me Wear this" as it shows you would rather be somewhere else.
In my world suit no tie is fine and acceptable, much smarter than the "made to wear a tie" lot.

Not really worn one in 15 years except for some very important meetings.

The only other rule is never judge somebody by what they are wearing.
For a few years I worked in places that required a full change into works issue clothing for some stuff, there was a power crazed idiot who went off on one and basically told a huge group of people there was nothing they could do to speed him up, he worked at his pace and he would be there to sort them out when he felt like it. Turns out there was a very senior manager in the group nicely disguised as one of the workers.

and to the OP

I know that it's discriminatory as he doesn't insist that woman have to wear skirts as evidenced by them all wearing trousers.
Being new to the job if I accept it means I'll have to go and buy some rather than stand my ground and refuse but I REALLY detest the things.

I wear a suit, tie, waistcoat and nice shoes to work.

I actually wear a tie casually frequently.

I suit ties.

More people should look dapper.

Sometimes I have a moustache.

If the company CEO thinks the company image would be reflected well by wearing a tie, why not? Its not like he's asking you to wear assless chaps.

The software company I used to work for was trendy, so we all wore trendy clothes. The shareholders loved it, they thought they'd bought into a young, fresh, Google-esque development house.

Actions speak louder than words, but some people are shallow, and image really does matter. Especially to stakeholders and shareholders.

Ties are for shop assistants and school children.

Embrace your inner cowboy

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Being a software developer, I wear our uniform of shorts and flip-flops (not with a bolo tie). Occasionally local customers do pop in to see us when we all, every-time use the excuse that we are actually on leave and have just passed by the office to pick something up, which also makes the customer grateful to have caught us.

women are swanning about in sandals and a floaty dress of some kind.

And that's a bad thing because ... .?

I have spent the last 7 or so years happily only wearing suit and tie when with clients. Sadly we have just had an edict from the us that we now have to wear suits all the time. I absolutely detest the things for a number of reasons, chiefly that 1 my father is right, I will always look like a sack of spuds badly tied in the middle in one, and 2 the heat in the summer getting to work will be evil in a heavy black suit. Tubes are hot enough as it is. Oh yes, and I am usually an odd shade of purple ten minutes after doing my collar up, slowly turning blue as the day goes on. Refuse to go up another collar size as it means admitting I am a really fat biffa.

Anyhow, it's a shame but have to accept it if I want a job, I agree. In a rush if blood to the head I went out and ordered a tailor-made suit a couple of weeks ago. Madness. I will still resemble a sack of spuds!!

Fridays are for smart jeans or red or orange trousers with a linen shirt. By choice.

They'd have to be I'm sure there's laws about making men wear red orange trousers against their will, best not start on the chinos.

the heat in the summer getting to work will be evil in a heavy black suit

There's your problem - no need to wear a heavy black suit. Other weights and colours are available. I like suits because they make you look smart with absolutely zero effort.

Being a software developer, I wear our uniform of shorts and flip-flops (not with a bolo tie). Occasionally local customers do pop in to see us when we all, every-time use the excuse that we are actually on leave and have just passed by the office to pick something up, which also makes the customer grateful to have caught us.

So you're admitting your 'uniform' isn't really acceptable to customers? That seems even more odd than objecting to a tie!

Where I worked one lot who occupied a large open plan office on the top floor had to wear ties.

I worked in a similar office on the ground floor and wore tee shirt, shorts and sandals then jeans or casual trousers with trainers in the winter.

No sense in it whatsoever, but as has been said if you don't want to do it look elsewhere for a job

I work for a large consulting organisation and even we don't wear ties all that often. Suits and shirt without a tie are the normal, with occasional wearing ties if we're at a customer where their folks wear ties.

Today is in fact one of those days where I will be wearing a tie as I'm visiting a customer that's a bit old-school about that sort of thing.

I don't actually mind wearing a tie but i would detest being forced to wear one. its mainly just shirt and trousers in here, but there are the odd few in stonewash wranglers with polo shirts, and then there's some in smart suits with ties. dress code isn't enforced. i tend to dress semi smart - trousers, shirt but with knit wear so i don't have to iron the shirt! i hate summer.

as an aside. its an old argument but if women can wear skirts we should be able to wear shorts. i started to turn up in shorts at a previous job years ago. not luminous bermudas or owt but smart dress shorts with a shirt and rolled up sleeves, it was a head turner at first but the next day a few more turned up in them and by the end of the week loads of us were in them. we got a memo form management saying long trousers only, we responded saying fair enough as long as this applies to women also, then the next day there was another memo retracting the first! Hurrah!!

dresscodes are pre-historic. golf clubs are the worst for it, but ive played squash at some exclusive places in London and they make you wear all white on court, or try to. i just apologise i say i didnt know. they also expect you to wear collar, jacket and tie in the bar afterwards! wtf is all that about!? dicks.

I used to have to wear a tie. Dress code was pretty strict. Can't say it really bothered me, particularly as everyone else in the firm had to dress the same. It was to ensure we sent the correct message to clients (ie because we are wearing ties you can rest easy that we are worth the £600 per hour we are charging you 🙂 )

Now I'm the client. Today I have no tie and a bit of a beard, something that would have had me sent home previously.

I genuinely don't understand why people get their knickers in a twist about dress code. It's not like they are asking you to wear something ridiculous. Plus it's their business, they get to decide on the image they want to portray.

I hate ties simply because they are uncomfortable. Why would you have to wear something that's uncomfortable in this day and age? Weird.

There's a bloke here who wears a suit and tie every day and he looks far scruffier than most other people.

If the op wants ties I'll send him all mine from the 80s.

Just for balance not wearing a tie doesn't make you a creative, free thinking power house.

I hate ties simply because they are uncomfortable. Why would you have to wear something that's uncomfortable in this day and age. Weird.

Ties are only uncomfortable if you've bought the wrong collar size, so it's too tight.

A tie doesn't tie-up your shirt, it covers up your top button and can be loose if you like.

Not that many people wear a suit and tie these days, so it feels a bit anti-disestablishment to wear one for me - at least in all the industries and companies I've worked for (large multi-nationals).

Meh, I see ties as a little bit 'old-skool' now in the workplace. Much prefer the look of a simple suit, shirt, and no tie. Modern, clean, and effective.

Ties are only uncomfortable if you've bought the wrong collar size, so it's too tight.

I think it's great that the OP's first thread is going so well .
No messing about with any of that "what tyres for my first £6.000 bike ?" ,well done.

I wouldn't want to be forced to wear one all the time but there is nothing wrong with a jacket and tie. I find them quite comfortable and practical when travelling and meeting people.

But I’m not a fan of the full grey suit look. Too much risk of being mistaken for a balliff or an accountant.

[i]Ties are only uncomfortable if you've bought the wrong collar size, so it's too tight.[/i]

Utter rubbish.
Ties are only [i]comfortable[/i] if you're used to wearing them.

[i]I think it's great that the OP's first thread is going so well[/i]

I'll have to get some tips! I can't even provoke a response with "I saw Jesus with his fog lights on in the rain."

"what tyres for my first £6.000 bike ?"

If my bike was only £6 I would leave the tyres alone I reckon 😉

DezB ,I lurk on all your threads without posting 😈

I genuinely don't understand why people get their knickers in a twist about dress code.

[i]DezB ,I lurk on all your threads without posting[/i]
Right! I'm lurking on this thread from now on!

[i]You genuinely dont understand why folk dont like wearing clothes they dont like wearing [/i]

But like it or not, people WILL judge you by what you wear. So sometimes, for work, it just makes sense to dress to the persona you want to project, even if you hate the clothes.

I agree that some shallow people will judge my ability to perform a task based on the clothes I wear Do you wish to argue my ability to do my jobs alters with the clothes I wear?
Why do I need to adapt for idiots 😉
I dont mean it that extreme but you get my point

I get the point sometimes it matters but for most folk for 99% of the time it does not matter what they wear.

We have a dress down Friday and Jeans for Genes days. it has not cost us any custom.

Just for balance not wearing a tie doesn't make you a creative, free thinking power house.

Of course not, everyone knows it's the sandals.....

Utter rubbish.
Ties are only comfortable if you're used to wearing them.

What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?

You genuinely dont understand why folk dont like wearing clothes they dont like wearing

No, I genuinely don't understand why some people get so terribly upset at having to stick on business dress, or why those same people would take a job somewhere they'd be so terribly upset at having to wear the clothes they don't like.

I'd quite like to wear shorts and t-shirt to work, but I won't because the people who pay my wages wouldn't think it was appropriate. If it bothered me that much I'd get a job as a lifeguard.

We have a dress down Friday

We have no dress code and yet the people who do 'dress up' for work all seem to dress down on Friday. Always makes me smile....

We have no dress code and yet the people who do 'dress up' for work all seem to dress down on Friday. Always makes me smile....

I used to work somewhere that did an unofficial dress down friday. It highlighted to me why they had a dress code for the rest of the week...some of the things people used to wear 😯 Many people (men in particular) can't be trusted to dress themselves appropriately for work.

The tie is the ultimate symbol of corporate oppression, the wilful acceptance of the tie is a sign of a sinister adherence to oligarchical hegemony, most wearers are happy to comply as they themselves wish to be part of the hegemony, knowing full well they never will but their aspirations, like their love of white Germanic cars is based upon their lust for material wealth !

The tie is the ultimate symbol of corporate oppression, the wilful acceptance of the tie is a sign of a sinister adherence to oligarchical hegemony, most wearers are happy to comply as they themselves wish to be part of the hegemony, knowing full well they never will but their aspirations, like their love of white Germanic cars is based upon their lust for material wealth !

Amen brother. Stick it to the man, wear that shirt open necked!

Just for balance not wearing a tie doesn't make you a creative, free thinking power house.

I genuinely don't understand why some people get so terribly upset at having to stick on business dress.

You can disagree but not understand???? I can understand your view whilst disagreeing with it.

[i]But wearing a tie does make you a pro-establishment conformist. I can see why the management might like that. [/i]

Unless you work in an office where most people don't wear ties, which makes a statement about you views on your non-tie wearing managment.

I don' think anybody's getting 'terribly upset'. I mean, you can have an opinion on something without losing sleep over it.

then me telling you AGAIN is pointless#:roll:
You can disagree but not understand???? I can understand your view whilst disagreeing with it.

go out for a walk, it will help clear your head.

I was going to say something deeply profound but then I caught myself in the office window and realised my tie had slipped a little .....

Has the tie stopped the blood supply to your brain? I am not the one who is claiming to not understand a position that has been explained to me.
We disagree but really not understand and then silly personal attacks 🙄

At least you look nice even if you dont act nice so we have th emost important thing covered eh 😛

bikebouy
I was going to say something deeply profound but then I caught myself in the office window and realised my tie had slipped a little .....

Could be worse, you could be a consultant and have to wear a tie....

Weird how poeple think a bit of cloth knoted round their neck makes them some how more proffesioanl or more likely to get paid more, or even more valued in their workplace.

INDIVIDUALITY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DRUMMED OUT OF THE WORKFORCE NOWADAYS, YOURE ALL CLONES OF SMALL SCHOOLBOYS.

[i]What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?[/i]

DezB ,I lurk on all your threads without posting
Right! I'm lurking on this thread from now on!

I knew someone would make it difficult for me.

Personally, I regret the demise of the bowler hat.

I spent 20 years at a military establishment, dress code for the officers mess was jacket & tie at lunch, tea & dinner apart from Tues & Thurs when a lounge suit was required for dinner. Shirt (no tie) & jumper was OK for breakfast, there were different rules for weekends and when shirt sleeve orders were in operation. It all got very confusing.

If you were visiting a different officers mess you could be sure that they'd have a different dress code - normally resulting in somebody politely asking if you'd like to borrow an ill fitting jacket and an egg stained tie.

These days I rejoice in going tie-less most days 🙂

Hmm, haven't seen a tie in years around here, apart from big offical dos.

Even ze Germans have stopped wearing them.

Heres my fave, I wear it on special occasions at work.

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Weird how poeple think a bit of cloth knoted round their neck makes them some how more proffesioanl or more likely to get paid more, or even more valued in their workplace.

The vast majority of people don't. But there are enough idiots who think making an effort with your clothes is more important than with your work to make it a safe bet.

FWIW I've not worn a tie at work since 1998 when I worked for one such idiot. If I have to dress smartly as a consultant, on customer sites, I wear a jacket. No-one else wears a tie unless they want to.

Weird how poeple think a bit of cloth knoted round their neck makes them some how more proffesioanl or more likely to get paid more, or even more valued in their workplace.

INDIVIDUALITY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DRUMMED OUT OF THE WORKFORCE NOWADAYS, YOURE ALL CLONES OF SMALL SCHOOLBOYS.

Why is not turning up in a t-shirt frowned upon? Culturally it's smart to wear a suit and tie. Doesn't really matter what your opinion is, culture drives this behavior.

When I turn up in work in a suit, waistcoat and tie people tell me I look smart, and generally compliment me. If you're inclined to compliment someone, you're obviously a person of interest and likely to psychologically hold more influence.

I would regard anyone turning up to a meeting in a waistcoat as either some sort of spiv or they've got a snooker match to go to afterwards.
Written wearing jeans and a merino top

If you're inclined to compliment someone, you're obviously a person of interest and likely to psychologically hold more influence.

I can assure you people's dress sense has never been mentioned in any pay / promotion review team I've sat on!

I'm not talking about pay review, day to day influence in a commercial business environment.

If you don't work in an environment where people dress in a suit and tie, then I guess you just wont get it.

[i]I would regard anyone turning up to a meeting in a waistcoat as either some sort of spiv or they've got a snooker match to go to afterwards.
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Yup, if you want certain people to view you in a certain way, dress appropriately. Sometimes a tie might makes sense, sometimes it won't.

When I turn up in work in a suit, waistcoat and tie people tell me I look smart

BTW I seem to recall that waistcoats were quite the thing once upn a time with collarless shirt and jeans.

So, ties and why don't I like them?
Well, I don't like to be buttoned up around the neck. Tie loosened and top button undone looks messy. May as well not be wearing either tie or shirt.
I don't like the way it dangles over my desk, keyboard, in my soup, all over the item I'm trying to fix.
I don't like them tucked into shirt - looks stupid.
I dabbled with bow ties once which at least don't dangle, but it doesn't help with the buttoned up feeling either.

PS - I don't like teeshirts as office attire, but then I tend not to wear them anyway.

Has the tie stopped the blood supply to your brain? I am not the one who is claiming to not understand a position that has been explained to me.
We disagree but really not understand and then silly personal attacks

At least you look nice even if you dont act nice so we have th emost important thing covered eh

If you read my post you'd probably realise that I don't wear a tie.

You seem to be taking issue with the meaning of my use of one word, "understand", which is why i suggested you head outside for some fresh air, it didn't seem worth arguing over. It wasn't a personal "attack".

I wore a waistcoat on my wedding day. That's the single time in my life I've worn such an unnecessary piece of attire.

Wow! I mean......WOW!
I like this forum.
I've decided to take the job. I've let the 'introduction' person know. I need to go shopping for shirts, ties, trousers (I only own jeans and they're not allowed either) and 'smart' shoes.
A serious question though. Is a v-neck plain jumper, shirt, tie, black trousers and black leather shoes acceptable in a smart and/or business dress coded office acceptable?

What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?

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[*]They serve no purpose other than to show off to other people. My boss is 250 miles away, customers do not visit this office, who am I looking good for? The Sales team? Wow, you managed to tie a knot this morning, well done, have a biscuit, keep this up and you'll be progressing to shoes with laces next.[/*]

[*]They get in the way. Day to day I'm as likely to be crawling round under a desk patching cables as I am to be attending a senior staff meeting; a long strip of cloth tied in a slip-knot around my throat and flapping about the place is flat out dangerous.[/*]

[*]This may be fixable by throwing money at the problem, but dress shirts do not fit me. What sort of a retarded way of buying shirts is "collar size" anyway? I'm a skinny little runt with a neck that's received years of abuse in rock clubs; if I buy a shirt with a correctly fitting collar then there's enough surplus shirt material billowing in the wind to make me look like a yacht. No doubt I could go to that Charles Whatshisname place you lot all favour and get a couple of weeks' worth of fitted shirts, but I'm not about to spend several hundred quid on posh shirts for me to wear whilst halfway up a ladder with my head in the plenum.[/*]

[*]I can't wear long sleeves for any length of time. My hands suffer from hyperhidrosis, meaning that they're prone to sweating excessively. It used to be a massive problem when I was younger - putting my hands together to say the Lord's Prayer at school, sweat would be dripping off my elbows by 'Amen' - I've largely grown out of it as an adult, but close coverings on my wrists and forearms make it kick off. I'm sure nothing says "classy" quite like a suit with yellowing cuff edges, whilst I mess about with electronics with wet hands.[/*]

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You seem to be taking issue with the meaning of my use of one word, "understand", which is why i suggested you head outside for some fresh air, it didn't seem worth arguing over. It wasn't a personal "attack".

What do you find uncomfortable about wearing a tie?

I wuz gonna say, they chafe on my crotch. But Cougar's post will do if the obvious is needed to be stated 😉

[i]I like this forum.[/i]

Fool.

We I was in the garage ,suit wearing reps got less budiness as they weren't motor trade,just reps.
Reps in jeans were certainly more "trade" and thus got the orders.