[Closed] We should be proud of our NHS

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As a counterpoint, I think the NHS is outdated and needs replacing by private companies. As only profit driven organisations can deliver the level of service we deserve.

Also, I think the Nazis got a bad press. They can't [i]all[/i] have been bad.

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3/10 for punctuation & grammar.

2/10 for pseudo troll.

EDIT: Jamie, there's a great gif of that somewhere on the interweb.

I love the NHS they have looked after me.

I work in the NHS.

They are just like any other organisation; some of it is very good and efficient, other parts are crap and inefficient.

But like the rest of the public sector they have to do as Politicians demand...

Well said unfitgeezer it's one Britain's greatest benefits and something we should be proud of.

If you fancy supporting to protect it and tell the tories to piss off then you can support this.

http://999callforthenhs.weebly.com

Nazis, kittens and the NHS? All we need is a little religious and political debate about wheel size and we're there!

http://999callforthenhs.weebly.com/

This may sound petty, but could they not get a decent domain name?

For example:

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...it really would help.

Apologies, I was wrong. It was this:

(In my defence I'm off my face on Dulux.)

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[b] 😆 This is a super bureaucratic organisation that is meant to be milked by the people in the know. [/b]

Unless you are dying there is no way you can get a problem sorted quickly. For example, I called my GP when I was in pain, no appointment available so I saw a nurse, who then referred me to A&E only to be told nothing could be done, then sent back to GP (few days to get an appointment) then GP(because they cannot do minor procedure) sent me to consultant at a distant location, went there only to be told that they could do nothing unless I wanted to be butchered (surgery to cut me open).

[b]GP -> see nurse -> see A&E -> see GP -> see Consultant -> back to square one nothing sorted.[/b]

Well done to me as I managed to go through the system without being sorted.

[b][u]Keep NHS to yourself and by no means export this system to other countries.[/u][/b]

Also try NOT to educate others in your system. Yes, they might learn the methods of saving life but they can do without the bureaucratic NHS system.

Yes, it's free that's the only a good thing about it.

As above , a few problems , overstafed in pebn and paper pushers, and senior clinical staff who have no patient contact, now being split up into numerous units trusts and foundations for easy sale to the private sector.

What is need is some sort of charging system for the idiots who attend gp surgeries or dont attend, same with the emergency departments, drunks to drop in centres, or police cells, along with all minor injuries,to mionor injuries /drop in surgeries and ambulances are not taxis to get you to the front of the queue or get a better responce from an insurance company if you have a slight bump in the car.

GP -> see nurse -> see A&E -> see GP -> see Consultant -> back to square one nothing sorted.

and i hope you made/make a formal complaint so others may not suffer and management will learn from their failings.

This may sound petty, but could they not get a decent domain name?

It's run by a few volunteers maybe you could buy it for them.

So that one experience of yours Chewkw sums up the NHS. Does it bollocks.

Today:

I stopped a COPD patient from going into reparatory arrest whilst my colleague drove us at high speed to hospital whilst I administered medication, cannulated her whilst on the move, pre-alerted the hospital she was coming in so they would be ready with a Dr, supported her daughter who worried she was going to lose another parent so soon after another, wiped thick phlegm from the patient's mouth as she didn't have the strength and got her safely there before assisting the young Dr perform a few more treatments.

That was 2 minutes into another 13 hour shift and a pretty normal day.

project - Member

GP -> see nurse -> see A&E -> see GP -> see Consultant -> back to square one nothing sorted.

and i hope you made/make a formal complaint so others may not suffer and management will learn from their failings.

Mine is not life threatening but can cause plenty discomfort in daily routine.

My advice is to take out medical insurance and go private if you can but I guess this is a luxury not many can afford.

Stay healthy and look after yourself, because it will be too late when you need NHS.

Drac - Moderator

So that one experience of yours Chewkw sums up the NHS. Does it bollocks.

Well, that's my experience and everyone can disagree as much as they like but the fact is that I just went through the experience.

All I can say is stay healthy but if you happen to need NHS then perhaps recall my experience to see if you can beat my record.

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[i]As above , a few problems , overstafed in pebn and paper pushers, and senior clinical staff who have no patient contact, now being split up into numerous units trusts and foundations for easy sale to the private sector.[/i]

Why should everyone in the NHS have patient contact? Many staff in many organisations never meet their 'customers', especially if in support-service roles.

br , youve never worked or been a patient of the nhs then.

It's run by a few volunteers maybe you could buy it for them.

They should be happy I waived my brand consultancy fee.

chewkw - Member

Keep NHS to yourself and by no means export this system to other countries.

Not even to North Borneo ?

chewkw - Member

I remember as a kid due to blood lost I fainted on two occasions with my mother having to carry me on her back after visiting the doctor. This was in North Borneo where medical help was really not that advance at all.

Posted 1 week ago

All I can say is stay healthy but if you happen to need NHS then perhaps recall my experience to see if you can beat my record.

My Brother had a liver transplant over 18 months ago now he only had a matter of weeks left when he got it, he's the healthiest he's been for years. My Dad is still alive today because of the NHS helped him 4 years ago. I'm alive today thanks to the NHS removing a bone tumour. My youngest lived past a day old and is very healthy thanks to the NHS.

That's my experience without adding any more from work.

Look at other countries round the world and you soon realise how lucky we are.

America maybe?

Estimated Liver Transplant Costs
According to the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS)' Transplant Living Web siteOpens new window, the estimated U.S. average in 2011 of billed charges per liver transplant is $577,100.

Was going to say USA !!

[i]br , youve never worked or been a patient of the nhs then. [/i]

Eh?

I've used A&E many times, have 3 children all born in a UK hospital, have elderly parents, have overnighted myself and am responsible for the management of a health board PMS (amongst other systems).

I think I have an idea.

India Lots of the Africa's

We should be proud of our NHS

Hear hear, I use to live in a house I shared with student nurses!

What a great time [s]we[/s] I had

America maybe?

India Lots of the Africa's

ernie_lynch - Member

Not even to North Borneo ?

Yes. Not even there. They might be backward but at least things get sorted sometimes.
My father was the first AAA (main blood vessel) patient there and survived. Most just died. Also majority of the patients there are illegal immigrants. I kid you not. I feel sorry for the natives though.

I remember as a kid due to blood lost I fainted on two occasions with my mother having to carry me on her back after visiting the doctor. This was in North Borneo where medical help was really not that advance at all.

Nope. Nothing to do with western medication or hospital. My problem was eventually cured by a very experience traditional Chinese doctor using traditional Chinese herbal medication. No, consultation fees needed and it's free but most people just donate as they see fit. Then taking the prescription to traditional Chinese pharmacist for the medication. Usually very cheap. Took nearly 5 years to get my health back.
If I were to die then I would just die at that time because I would have known nothing once unconscious. I had no worry as a kid nor did I know the meaning of wanting to live. In fact, thinking back I would rather prefer to die if I know my life sucks big time now.

Well, it just happen that my time was not up yet so have to endure this miserable life now. Perhaps, I did not die because my heart was still with my parents. I did not want them to be sad.

Well the NHS gave me my son and saved my wife so I'll stand up for them . I have yet to see anyone point to a more cost effective system.

crankboy & Northwind,

Those are the very basic health care they must have or provide. Even in the developing world those are available so nothing out of the ordinary.

The problem with developing world is that lack qualified doctors/surgeons etc. But good qualified doctors etc are not lacking here in NHS.

The only problem with NHS is that the bureaucratic culture which is so embedded that to attempt to change it or to be seen as trying to "improve" it is like committing a career suicide so most just let it be.

If your lucky your problem is sorted in time but if you are not lucky then you will experience the full force of the bureaucratic system as simple as that.

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chewkw - Member

Those are the very basic health care they must have or provide. Even in the developing world those are available so nothing out of the ordinary.

America is a developing country? Righto.

Northwind - Member

America is a developing country? Righto.

Never been to America so I am not comparing America but developing world which I have full experience with.

America as you know is about money, you have money you live if not then you try your best to survive otherwise you die a painful death. Bear in mind, their population is 4X that of UK so I am not surprised if their system starts to encounter problems.

You're a joke, you know that? It's all fun and games when it's maggots and dear leaders but you're knocking a system that saves lives and changes lives, just for the sake of a bit of fun on the internet, and with every word you show your ignorance. Grow up, troll off.

If you need the most serious care, they seem to be excellent. I have nothing but praise for the care some relatives in intensive care and HDU have received. However it's a bit hit or miss in other areas to say the least.

Example: A friend had a bad reaction to new epilepsy medicine, and thus ended up with a dangerously low immune system. He was in a special ward in his own room with a private bathroom so he wouldn't get infected while recovering. Except this bathroom could be unlocked and accessed from outside, and the nurses kept letting people in to use his private bathroom and he kept finding unflushed turds, blood puke and piss over the floor etc afterwards and it was never properly cleaned afterwards either. Friends actually went in and cleaned if themselves because they were so worried.
Now, if that's how they clean around somebody specifically in hospital with an immune problem, what are the normal wards like? Who the hell is to blame for this? I know cash is tight but this is basic care. Whoever it is needs a swift kick in the sack.

Northwind - Member

You're a prick, you know that? It's all fun and games when it's maggots and dear leaders but you're knocking a system that saves lives and changes lives, just for the sake of a bit of fun on the internet. Grow up, you joke.

Calm down. I have Not labeled you a zombie maggot yet so please accept different opinions while discussing a bureaucratic system here.

You cannot change the experience I just went through so you just have to accept that it is not perfect by all means. Different experience for different people.

Knocking the system? My lord! (as Hastings exclaimed to Poirot)

p/s: many of friends and colleagues are insulin dependent and yes they would cut me down if I "take" away their lives saving insulin. Who wouldn't? All of them have their appointments book several months in advance and it becomes a routine for them. So yes, they would cut me down ...

You cannot change the experience I just went through so you just have to accept that it is not perfect by all means.

What are you talking about ? You phoned the NHS out of hours because you had some issues with your arsehole and they told you to go straight to A&E where according to you a young female doctor examined your my back passage and diagnosed that you had piles and suggested that you got some anusol ointment on it. Now that sounds like excellent service to me.

How are your piles btw ?

ernie_lynch - Member

What are you talking about ? You phoned the NHS out of hours because you had some issues with your arsehole and they told you to go straight to A&E where according to you a young female doctor examined your my back passage and diagnosed that you had piles and suggested that you got some anusol ointment on it. Now that sounds like excellent service to me.

How are your piles btw ?

Yes, "good" service indeed as I managed to see many different doctors. Most of them just probed me with either their fingers or an instrument. (something get me thinking about those adult stars that perform "probings", they must have very strong tolerant to pain probing each other like that ... 😯 )

What they could have done was to relieve the pressure by bleeding (small incision) it which some doctors do in other part of the world. But I was told this procedure was not performed here anymore because of their guideline that did not permit them to do so.

Pile is still there but less painful and just uncomfortable at times.

If you have them then you will know. Just watch out if your partner try to be chicky by playfully inserting her/his finger(s) up your bum, I am afraid it will not be a cry of joy but a cry of agony. You might then turn around and KO your partner with a right hook.

🙂

the NHS stopped my mum dying from kidney failure about 20 years ago, cut out her gall bladder about 5 years ago and stopped her her dying from kidney cancer last year.

All in all, couldn't be happier with how they have gone about their business.

chewkw - Member
Yes, "good" service indeed as I managed to see many different doctors. Most of them just probed me with either their fingers or an instrument. (something get me thinking about those adult stars that perform "probings", they must have very strong tolerant to pain probing each other like that ... )

What they could have done was to relieve the pressure by bleeding (small incision) it which some doctors do in other part of the world. But I was told this procedure was not performed here anymore because of their guideline that did not permit them to do so.

Pile is still there but less painful and just uncomfortable at times.

If you have them then you will know. Just watch out if your partner try to be chicky by playfully inserting her/his finger(s) up your bum, I am afraid it will not be a cry of joy but a cry of agony. You might then turn around and KO your partner with a right hook.

@ chewkw

No I've never had them - I take good care of my anal pore.

And yes bleeding hasn't been a recognised form of treatment in the UK since they stopped using leeches I believe.

BTW you say that they probed you with either their fingers or an instrument but how do you know ? Presumably you had your back to them so you can't be entirely sure what they probed you with. Did it make your eyes water ?

seosamh77 - Member

you need to start eating bran flakes and getting more fiber in ye.

Yes, I am trying more fiber in my diet now.

The doctor also said there is a possibility that it will subside after several months so I just have to wait. If it doesn't then I will see if I can request for the rubber band procedure. Far better than going under the knife where they practically cut a big slice of your arse out. 😯 Saw that on Youtube ...

ernie_lynch - Member

No I've never had them - I take good care of my anal pore.

Apparently we all have piles but just that some of us does not get problems from them.

And yes bleeding hasn't been a recognised form of treatment in the UK since they stopped using leeches I believe.

I have seen proper jungle leeches (tiger leeches I think they are called) in the far east so I doubt I want that on my arse put it this way. They are Huggeee!

BTW you say that they probed you with either their fingers or an instrument but how do you know ? Presumably you had your back to them so you can't be entirely sure what they probed you with. Did it make your eyes water ?

Well, because I turned my head around to see what they were doing. They were lubing up their fingers or instrument (that instrument could expand when inserted). Can't trust anyone behind my back you know.

No eye watering but it was very painful where the pile was. It feels like they had stuck a pole up my bum.

chewkw - Member
seosamh77 - Member
you need to start eating bran flakes and getting more fiber in ye.

Yes, I am trying more fiber in my diet now.

The doctor also said there is a possibility that it will subside after several months so I just have to wait. If it doesn't then I will see if I can request for the rubber band procedure. Far better than going under the knife where they practically cut a be slice of your arse out. Saw that on Youtube ...

seosamh77 - Member

trust me I get them from time to time when I start eating a poor diet, eat a few bowls of bran flakes a day for 5 or 6 days and they'll go away.

Thanks for the advice. I shall do that. 🙂

There's good and bad in the NHS, that's a given. However, I am pleased to report that many of the foreigners who I work with admire the NHS, and would love to see a system like ours in their own country.

To quote an Italian colleague (who has twice needed fairly serious repairs due to road traffic accidents, once in his own land and once in the UK) "You might complain about te NHS, but it's F*****g civilised compared to home".

If you fall ill on the Surrey/ Hants border, slip the ambulance driver a few quid to take you to Frimley Park Hospital. It's superb, run by army staff like a SWiss clock.
The alternative is The Royal Surrey County Hospital. An utter disgrace that should really have been bulldozed when planned a few years ago.
Only twenty miles away but a world apart in standards of service. Just about everything that can be has been hived off to private tender. Not ideal...

OK, I've been living in the US for 2 years.

People die here because they can't afford medical care. People lose their homes because they cannot afford the copay on their less good insurance.

Yes, the care for the wealthy and insured is great. I, for one, would take the NHS over the system they have here, and I'm lucky - good job, good insurance.

Imagine your child is sick. But it's a difficult month and you've had to repair your car. You know if they need much (say some tests, a night in hospital) it's going to cost you $1000. Imagine sitting there an thinking about the cost of getting help for your child and if you can afford it.

Then complain about the NHS.

The NHS has been good to me when I actually get to see a doctor.
Due to the fabulous Betsi Cadwallader trust not being able to managing wiping their own arses the psychiatrists who I have had have left to better jobs.
This means in the last 12 months I have been seen by different locums who really don't give a damn.

The NHS is by no means perfect, but I do think it is way way better than alternative available.... unless any of the NHS bashers can come up with an alternative?

My own experience of the NHS is that my family alone has had well more than £100k's worth of care in the last 5 years alone, and all our health needs have been dealt with, although at times we have had to push to get the right treatment / know how to use the system.

Unfortunately what I see 1 major problem in the NHS at the minute, and thats funding. It is being cut, despite what government may try and say. This means that back office / management jobs have gone, and there are not enough clinicians to see the increasing number of patients. Just like any organisation there are bad people working in the NHS, but what I see more is clinicians having to do more admin/management work, which they are not skilled in, or have the time to do, and what management are left are just fire fighting and can not actually do much to rectify problems/issues.

Then there is the fact that clinicians are working harder for less money, so the natural temptation for them is to go abroad where they can get better T&c's and much nicer working conditions.

All said I am glad I live in the UK and have access to the NHS.

The alternative of private medical insurance is pretty rubbish. Where I work we have compulsory private medical insurance (compulsory to pay for it, not compulsory to use), but it doesn't cover pre-existing conditions or anything deemed incurable.

2nd feb I fell off my bike, went to hospital next day, sent for physio saw consultant the next day. Few weeks later seen by consultant thursday no improvement so had surgery on the monday. Physio once a week since. Great service imo.
Hope chewkw piles hurt

[quote=vickypea said]Where I work we have compulsory private medical insurance (compulsory to pay for it, not compulsory to use)

Compulsory medical insurance ? No way to opt out ? Never heard of that before.

Always excellent to the extent that the out of hours GP I saw yesterday took the time and trouble to track down and speak with the SHO who assisted with the opeartion on my hand a couple of weeks ago as she had a query on the k wires or the excellent nurse practitioner who changed the dressing and checked the wound last weekend, gave me a box of dressings so that I could change them (and a pair of scissors to cut the dressings with)and all this despite being the Welsh NHS where according to Putin/Cameron I am under sentence of death.

My mother died of cancer last November and the end of life care she recived was second to non(as was the treatment she recived before this). My father, who has just spent 2 months in John Radcliff in Oxford with final stage OCPD also recived care second to none to the extent that from being told to expect the worst he is now back at home and living his life again quite happily.

No complaints here and very proud of our NHS, Welsh and English.

anagallis_arvensis - Member
... Physio once a week since. Great service imo.
Hope chewkw piles hurt

You fell off your bike on 2nd Feb so went for Physio which did not work so they butchered you like a mechanic, then more physio?

[b][u]But aren't you wishing me too soon for my pain when your own damage might be permanent? [/u] [/b]

My friend had a motorbike accident when he was younger which crashed his leg and hospital(NHS) managed to patch him up but now he needs to use walking stick. Yes, he did physio and the lot.

There is a possibility if your damage cannot be repaired then you will feel the pain for the rest of your life.

Rule of thumb, never wish other pain while you are going for medical treatment yourself.

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suburbanreuben - Member
If you fall ill on the Surrey/ Hants border, slip the ambulance driver a few quid to take you to Frimley Park Hospital. It's superb, run by army staff like a SWiss clock.
The alternative is The Royal Surrey County Hospital. An utter disgrace that should really have been bulldozed when planned a few years ago.
Only twenty miles away but a world apart in standards of service.

These things are cyclical...Frimley has only been good since the new A&E a few years ago....when i started in the local Ambulance Service (14 yrs ago) it was the other way round, Royal Surrey was the better of the two A&E depts and Frimley was awful.
The army do put a lot of money into FPH but its not army run, all in all its a good hospital though and pleased to have it on my doorstep.

Compulsory medical insurance ? No way to opt out ? Never heard of that before.

trust me I get them from time to time when I start eating a poor diet, eat a few bowls of bran flakes a day for 5 or 6 days and they'll go away.

allthepies - the "opt out" for us is to opt out of using it.

I can't use my private medical insurance for help with frequent migraine, CBT for depression, or treatment for my back, and I tolerate very few meds, so I can't take most antidepressants, most prophylactic migraine treatments, or painkillers for my back, and the NHS doesn't have any options for me either!

Edit: good job I'm well 'ard!

The largest problem of the NHS is unnecessary use of services. For instance people going to A&E because they have a painful Farmer Giles.

Drac - Moderator

The largest problem of the NHS is unnecessary use of services. For instance people going to A&E because they have a painful Farmer Giles.

I was sent there Not of my own request, [u]I even asked if that was necessary to send me to A&E[/u], since it was meant for A&E but was told to go there nonetheless. I just followed the instruction as told.

You might argue that I could have waited or not go but the fact is that once a person engages the bureaucratic system, the person needs to do as told otherwise missing any of the "tick boxes" means prolong delay or will simply be ejected out of the system.

Bear in mind, I was sent there by a nurse who knows about medical situation then me so am I to argue with her?

Next time perhaps you can try challenging the bureaucratic system to see how far you get. Try it. Challenge them.

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Drac - Moderator

The largest problem of the NHS is unnecessary use of services

Yes, those self inflicted alcohol related accidents on every Friday and Saturday night.

Luckily chewkw I dont give a **** what you think. Especially lucky as most of your rambling shite makes no sense anyway.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Luckily chewkw I dont give a **** what you think. Especially lucky as most of your rambling shite makes no sense anyway.

Just saying like that's all.

Bad omen that whether you believe or not and especially by wishing pain on someone else medical related issue(s). No, no that is bad really really bad ... omen that is. Now you just have to keep a mental note of your situation and observe them then compare to the thing I said to see if it is right ... let's hope I am wrong. i.e. the bad omen.

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wtf are talking about.
How are your piles anyway? Throbbing?

[quote=anagallis_arvensis said]wtf are talking about.

I think he's saying that wishing ill on people isn't good.

I got that bit it was the rest I was struggling with. Maybe the throbbing is affecting his head.

come on guys don't turn this into a slanging match...

its chewkw prerogative to have a view whether you like it or not...

its a good thread with many positive stories

😛

If only we could understand what his view is.
I wonder what karma he is packing given that no one will treat his piles.

My nhs experience today leaves me cold.

My daughter hit her chin off her knee by accident. Split one of her teeth clean in two. You can see all the inside of the tooth. She's only five and in real agony. No dentist facilities in Taunton so I phone Exeter (only 25mins away).

They take her details then when they realise I'm in Somerset not Devon they said they can't help. What do you mean you can't f'ing help. She's 5 for goodnesss sake. So trip to Bristol it is. F'ing useless.

(And yes we did go through nhs direct but they never got back to us before 6 when they stop).

And relax.

Thats a bit shit. Dental care is a weak point imo. I presume you tried a&e? If shes in real pain thats what I'd do.

They prescribed suppositories when I had piles, but I may as well have stuck them up my arse for all the good they did.

The a&e in Taunton couldn't treat her so rather than just trundle down the motorway instead we've had to travel f'ing miles. I'm quite cross with Exeter hospital. I should have just rocked up I guess. We've pumped her full of calpol and she's being a very brave girl

I'm proud of it but it needs a lot of work, my experience has been both brilliant and shockingly bad, so bad in fact I'd never ever go to Kingsmill Hospital ever again. Stafford hospital is all I'll say to those who think its perfect. The older I get the more it's a concern to my per group. Not that we feel any different about the many organisations charged with looking after you when you reach gimmerdom.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

wtf are talking about.
How are your piles anyway? Throbbing?

No throbbing but need to watch the way I sit like not just rest by bum on the seat heavily and instantly.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

If only we could understand what his view is.
I wonder what karma he is packing given that no one will treat his piles.

My views are as follows:

1. NHS is highly bureaucratic system. A career suicide if you mess with it. Even the experts in manipulation like the politicians try to avoid it.
2. Treatment is dependent on individual condition. i.e. some lucky ones got problems solved, unlucky ones just have to endure the problems themselves. You can praise it but to limited extend.
3. Individual opinions vary. Some positives and some negatives. Fact!
4. It is a bad omen to wish pain or bad things on others' medical condition. i.e. what goes around comes around. 🙄 This is particularly true of medical related illness. I would never cross that line no matter how minor they are.

My own karma for being unfortunate not to be treated and perhaps due my negative views on bureaucratic system that I finally encountered them.

As for NHS dental, been there too and the problem only got sorted when I finally got it extracted at private dental practice because my NHS dentist messed up. i.e. I was in agony with no appointment for a long time.

rob2 - Member

My nhs experience today leaves me cold.

Glad to hear you managed to sort things out yourself.
Brave girl indeed.

🙂

As for NHS dental, been there too and the problem only got sorted when I finally got it extracted at private dental practice because my NHS dentist mess up. i.e. I was in agony with no appointment for a long time.

seems to be a pattern here

Next time perhaps you can try challenging the bureaucratic system to see how far you get. Try it. Challenge them.

I do almost daily at work it often gets me quite far and has even lead to policy reviews.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

As for NHS dental, been there too and the problem only got sorted when I finally got it extracted at private dental practice because my NHS dentist mess up. i.e. I was in agony with no appointment for a long time.

seems to be a pattern here

Yep a pattern here. i.e. no appointment available on time.

I get regular check up once or twice a year but once when the time I got tooth infection I tried to book for appointment long in advance but to no avail. The infection was bad and I was in pain but was told no appointment available. When I managed to see the dentist, the infection was already worsen, so the dentist tried to sort it out only to make things worst. Told me the pain would settle but over the next 3 days I was in agony. Then sent me to dentist at the hospital only to be told that the previous dentist might have worsen the condition. Did not offer to extract it but told me to take pain killer. Took that for 3 days then I gave up ... private dentist just advised me to extract it as it was too late to save it.

Drac - Moderator
I do almost daily at work it often gets me quite far and has even lead to policy reviews.

I can't as it takes too much time which I cannot afford.

If you are able to improve the system then you have done a great deal of good to many. Not many people can do that put it this way. Good karma too! 😀

If you are able to improve the system then you have done a great deal of good to many. Not many people can do that put it this way.

Cheers. Yes they can even a small complaint or enquiry can start the process it just doesn't happen overnight that's all.

I suspect the dental service is so poor on the NHS because successive governments treated the dentists like shit until eventually they had enough and all resigned and went private. These private individuals only want to do profitable stuff at hours they choose. No-one likes emergencies as there's no money in it and it's inconvenient.

So, when the press and the government are continually beating down on how shit your GP; A&E dept; waiting times and paramedics are, and trying to sell off the profitable bits to their mates, think very carefully about whether this is a good idea or not.......

NHS would be better with doctors that actually knew their arse from their elbow.

Oh dear.

Well that's going to be unpleasant for people who go in with tennis elbow...

Good job Chewkw didn't see one of those ones.