[Closed] We "must get tough on obesity"

[i]how do we go about making it of interest[/i]

Tell them that if they can't catch their food.
They can't eat.
Thats motivation for you.

Then watch those little suckers run.

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The solution is obvious...

Make supermarket biscuit/cake/crisp and chocolate aisles far narrower so that only those with a 32 inch waist or under can fit down them.

Bring back ration books!

Ban TV remotes.

Nah - they'll just change it to the food channel and leave it there...

get tough on obesity?
wackafatty

i'm not sure why 'we' should do anything other than let people get on with doing what they want with their lives.

[i]i'm not sure why 'we' should do anything other than let people get on with doing what they want with their lives.

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Perhaps. But isn't obesity costing rather alot these days ?.

Because 'we' as in society should be trying to act in the best way for all?

How have you managed to get rid of all your tags Dave?

don't know about the tags, i certainly didn't complain about them. when the financial apocalypse happens, people will slim down. all that living in the woods and foraging.

i'm not sure why 'we' should do anything

Well - the sooner they stop being a drain on the NHS the better - otherwise the doctor people won't be able to afford to treat me for all the alcohol-related problems I intend to have in later life...

These people are selfish and must be dealt with.

But if "obesity costs rather a lot", and "we, as in society should be trying to act in the best way for all", then isn't allowing people to kill themselves with obesity, alcohol or tobacco before they are old enough to claim a pension the greatest good for the greatest number ?

[i]How have you managed to get rid of all your tags[/i]

imo, tags are not there to convey abuse, anonymously.

Furthermore, its pretty low of people to try to use them in that fashion.

Its certainly not why they are made available on here.
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MTG - I used to put that argument forward for smoking. The problem is that we need people who are 60+ to start dieing now... not the 20 somethings who need to be alive supporting me long into my old age.

Solo... I get quite a few negative tags... I like knowing that I've annoyed someone 🙂

[i]But if "obesity costs rather a lot", and "we, as in society should be trying to act in the best way for all", then isn't allowing people to kill themselves with obesity, alcohol or tobacco before they are old enough to claim a pension the greatest good for the greatest number[/i]

Paying a pension for 9 years is a piffling outlay compared to the cost to the NHS to treat what has now been given the status of a [i]disease[/i] over what could be a lifetime.
Albeit a shortened one.

isn't allowing people to kill themselves with obesity, alcohol or tobacco before they are old enough to claim a pension the greatest good for the greatest number ?

A management consultancy did a study in the Czech republic that showed exactly that - people should be encouraged to smoke as it reduced the overall financial burden...

[url= http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/Philip-Morris-Czech-Study.htm ]Based on up-to-date reliable data and consideration of all relevant contributing factors, the effect of smoking on the public finance balance in the Czech Republic in 1999 was positive, estimated at +5,815 mil. CZK.[/url]

The fact that it was paid for by Philip Morris should not be seen as in anyway biasing the report...

[i]I like knowing that I've annoyed someone[/i]

Thats soooo far off my strangeness radar, I can't even begin to understand that.

Either way. If you've got a beef with someone. Grow a pair large enough to say so by posting.

Not by adding silly tags.

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I've heard that smokers contribute more in tax than they cost in treatment before they die, although that was on an episode of Yes Minister, so may not be entirely accurate.
I dunno, I'm just guessing that the same could be true for lardies.

Reading a book at the moment called racing weight

One of the chapters talks about how people who start exercise regimes simply to lose weight and never move beyond that reason for exercising are doomed to fail.

Basically weight loss through exercise is only really sustainable if it is a side effect. Eg I like cycling and as a result (along with other things) my weight is well under control.

Seems to me helping kids (& adults) enjoy exercise / sport, rather than them seeing it purely as calorie burning, is a key factor.

That said he also points out that the 'food in' part of the equation is the most critical. So easy to over do it unless you are putting in 20+ exercise hours a week

[i]I dunno, I'm just guessing that the same could be true for lardies[/i]

Sugar tax.

Tax sugar as we do tobacco, for similar reasons.

Then I'd expect the
"let them eat cake as they will sooner die and stop costing"
theory to hold. Perhaps.

Taz - who's that by?

This sugar tax... what about all our lovely supplements for helping us ride silly distances?

That said he also points out that the 'food in' part of the equation is the most critical. So easy to over do it unless you are putting in 20+ exercise hours a week

This really cannot be overstated. It really is 85% diet.

@TSY

[url= http://goo.gl/Gd94X ]Racing Weight - Matt Fitzgerald.[/url]

I thought it was 80%

I always like to overestimate.

...oh and can we drop the sugar tax thing.

Using some made up figures, a pensioner gets £100 a week and lives 10 years past retirement age.
That's cost the taxpayer £50000 in pension.
A salad dodger costs only £20000 in NHS treatment before they have they're final heart attack, well before they are eligible for a pension.
As a tax payer, that sounds like the better deal to me.

How about making the up esculator go down, but slow enough so you can walk up against it 😆 but then it'd be cheaper just to put in stairs 😳

Dunno, if it's been said, but low fat food is not necessarily healthy.

Thanks Jamie - is it iDiet by another name? Will it help me in 4 weeks?

Compulsory Sumo wrestling training to world class level for anyone who is obese.

My idea, which is flawed in so many ways, is to only make clothes sizes go up so far. So if you are obese you can't go to Jacamo etc, you have to wear either what you can make or a bin liner.

I wouldn't last a second in a sumo ring.

Jamie - is that a kind of fabric tax?

MTG - seriously - take a look at the Czech smoking study - it is beautiful - I particularly enjoy figure 1 which compares the costs and benefits of smoking, the top 3 benefits are:
1. Savings on housing for elderly
2. Pension and social expenses savings due to early mortality
3. Health care costs savings due to early mortality

Smoking really is good for a country... Proof right there - in numbers and everything...

[i]what about all our lovely supplements for helping us ride [b]silly[/b] distances[/i]

Errr. Yeah. Thats exactly what we humans evolved to do, wasn't it ?................

Not sure about you TSY, but the last time I checked, I was/is human.
Humans have evolved to do certain things well and other things not so well.

Heres a theory for you.
Ride as far as your body will comfortably let you, supplement free.
Then.........Stop.

Yeah, I know, its, RADICAL DUDE !.
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[i]I always like to overestimate[/i]

Thats Ok, George always liked to point out that he thought that people had overunderestimated him.

Public ridicule.
If more people pointed and laughed at fat people, they'd soon slim down a bit.

I wouldn't last a second in a sumo ring.

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Anyone for bodyfat measurements? 🙂

Aha !.

I've just spotted the tags donated by some hugely manly fellow.

In the imortal words of Forest.

[i]Muppett is, as Muppett does[/i]

And on that bombshell, if you are going to post tags claiming people are muppetts. Then [b]you[/b] are the muppett.
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*Oh my, did I laugh*

Graham - I don't think public ridicule is the answer.

Jamie - is that a kind of fabric tax?

Not really, but the warped logic is as a society we are normalising what is not normal or healthy. I am talking obesity here and the extreme levels thereof. XXXL clothes sizes, wider seats on transport, jumbo ambulances etc. OK, we are not on par with the USA yet, but I think there has to be a point where people are not accommodated if they are the size of a small elephant.

...and now I sound like a fatty hating loon 8)

Yeah, we don't agree with bodyfat measurements Darcy... there's too much inaccuracy in the system. 😀

TSY, it's for their own good. They'll thank me for it one day.

The measurement method works for me TSY.

*risking a report*

Ok, Darcy... as long as we all use the same method, I'm in.

Molly didn't want to try it yesterday!

[i]...oh and can we drop the sugar tax thing[/i]

What, just the mere thought of such a world bringing you out in a cold sweat ?.

Don't worry.

Its not a complete sugar embargo.....Oooo. Now theres an idea....
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[i]Ian - how do we go about making it of interest? I think some of the tv (freak) shows actually help.[/i]

Absolutely no idea! I have enough trouble understanding how bicycles work. People are a completely closed book to me 🙂

The measurement method works for me TSY.

We have a wiener!

It's probably best if I measure everybody. I've been calibrated. As for me, you can tell by looking I'm in the high thirties anyway.

Jamie if I hadn't just swallowed I'd have spat my tea all over my monitor, chapeau.

[i]The measurement method works for me[/i]

I'll stick with the rythm method if its all the same, ta.
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Simple (but harsh method)

Get rid of centrally funded health care.
Reduce income tax and/or national insurance.
With the extra income people are now free to buy their own health care...obese poeple would get charged more so either wouldnt bother (no worries, death beckons) or cough up more to pay for their blood pressure meds, diabetes treatment, heart attack rehab etc etc....

All the time a fat person is cosseted by the NHS and told they have a 'disease' by the government then they have very little incentive to take any personal responsibility.

It's very simple. Make most carbs illegal.

All the time a fat person is cosseted by the NHS and told they have a 'disease' by the government then they have very little incentive to take any personal responsibility.

tax clothes by weight

so the NHS is to blame for people being fat

No, it's the bread and pasta industries.

tax clothes by weight

I know i'm a chubber, but what if I were thin and wanted a suit of armour?

No, it's the bread and pasta industries.

Those doughy bastards!

This thread needs more biscuits

tax clothes by weight

Surely by size, as a slim person might need a heavier jacket to stay warm in the winter. Not great for tall people though.

INRAT

But I was parked outside a local McDonalds earlier* and noted that 9 out of every 10 people entering/exiting the place were big fat chuffers.

Shops/restaurants should be banned from selling junk to fat people

(*I'd succumbed to their marketing and wanted to try the sweet chilli chicken wrap. It was actually not bad)

I of course am too fat and lazy to walk in so used the drive through

This would be great. Us skinny people could earn a fortune buying illicit burgers for fat people.

This would be great. Us skinny people could earn a fortune buying illicit burgers for fat people.

I never thought of that. Which is surprising, as I already make a killing in buying fags and booze for kids.

I've made quite a few killings which started by buying a milkshake for a kid.

oh mcD's I went in with my kids for a Mc poo.
On exiting my eldest [5 at the time] said in a loud voice
"Daddy why is everyone so fat?"

I tried to escape without answering to which he chipped in with
"Is it because they eat too much and dont exercise"

I can just gangs of skinny dudes on street corners as fat folk walk up for pies.

oh mcD's I went in with my kids for a Mc poo.
On exiting my eldest [5 at the time] said in a loud voice
"Daddy why is everyone so fat?"

I tried to escape without answering to which he chipped in with
"Is it because they eat too much and dont exercise"

I can just gangs of skinny dudes on street corners as fat folk walk up for pies.

Erm....I think it's something to do with McDonalds. Apart from that, I got nothing.

Stream of consciousness from JY.

*is impressed with veggie JY taking his kids to McD's* 🙂

Solution:

- weigh and measure people at work/signing on, each month
- impose financial penalties each month for those exceeding recommended weight/% body fat
- subtract financial penalties direct from income
- ring fence extra income gathered for use in treating weight related illness/injury

Easy 🙂

obesity costs money to the taxpayer
100 quid a week in pension for an old person whos healthy is eclipsed by paying for all the diabetes, asthma, heart disease (statins are very common these days) cancer (obesity is a very big factor)

all these treatments cost silly amounts of money

personally i am in favour of
pedestrianising all towns
investing in PE at school- give people a love of regular exercise as a kid and theyll get used to it
ban fatty food advertising, no more 'im lovin it'
advertising in sports in general are a joke look at the 2 sponsors of the olympics MaccyDs and Coke, lasting legacy? they are gonna build the worlds biggest MaccyDs outside the olympic stadium in stratford!!!!
ban drinks advertising in football, how many beer gutted porkers watch football players plastered in carslberg logos do sport from the comfort of their local while they get plastered on carlsberg?
bring back the traffic light labeling system, which the government ditched on the advise/lobbying of the food and drink industry and getting rid of the food standard agency, FFS this one really got my goat- it costs the country in the long run but keeps tory lovin businessmen happy

Pretty lucid for me tbh 😐

This post

But I was parked outside a local McDonalds earlier*

so even a 5 year old can get it that if you eat too much and dont excercise you get fat.

Obviously DD does not know what it is like to be embarrassed by children 😉
HTH

has this worked or am I just digging ?

digging Junky... 😆

Damn ......is still confused is that good or bad digging.
Pesky Internet mocking me 😳

Oh and very clever reply 😀

[i]investing in PE at school- give people a love of regular exercise as a kid and theyll get used to it[/i]

I think you must have had a different PE teacher to me at school 😀

Pretty lucid for me tbh

I can just gangs of skinny dudes on street corners as fat folk walk up for pies.

Not having a go, I genuinely struggled with this one....and usually I can extract the meaning from most of your sprawling verbosity.

not offended I do need to put in more effort to punctuate and construct full sentences. It is lazyiness [tiredness at the minute but not usually] and a bit of gentle good spirited mocking helps me to not get to ridiculous levels [ well hopefully].
Sorry

Sorry

Accepted. 🙂

Accepted

Oi! Give that back right ****ing now! 😡

Junkyard - Member

not offended I do need to put in more effort to punctuate and construct full sentences. Being a vegan makes me tired and weak, i need a big fat steak. A bit of gentle good spirited mocking helps me to not get to ridiculous levels [ well hopefully].
Sorry

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I will for a kiss.

you are all ****
I would flounce if I had the energy 😉

slapper 😆

I will for a kiss.

careful Jamie, you'll upset derek 😆