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Here is a thread to record my plans, progress and injuries though the journey of building a new shed.
Today is day 1 so not much to show yet but here is the plan
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Here is the location, butting up against the back of the garage.
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Clearly I will need to move the wood store and other clutter but I have made a start on the plants
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The slabs mark out the edges of the planned shed.
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It looks like the crab apple will need to move too.
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I will try to update when stuff happens. Hopefully today I will move the tree and dig the holes for the supporting pillars.
Sex pond?
Swing palace?
If it is, you need more pampass grass.
Good luck with the build will keep following the thread!
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Well after working most of the day yesterday on it apart from breaks for the dentist and hydrotherapy I appear to have made very little progress.
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After
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The two compost bins have been emptied and spread across the flowerbeds, the wood shed has been dismantled and partly moved into the garage (how come there is more wood than I started with?) and I have moved the little tree from here
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to here
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Nice drill holder 🙂
I put a bit of a spurt on this morning.
Wood moved, wood shed demolished, edges strung out and first few footing holes dug.
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Where did you get your info from for the structure WCA. I'm thinking of replacing our current shed and really fancy the idea of building it myself. I'm reasonably handy and could use the old shed as a template to go on.
Are you building the sides then bolting together or putting up a frame then cladding?
[i]Are you building the sides then bolting together or putting up a frame then cladding? [/i]
Based on past history, I suspect it's whichever approach involves the most peril and opportunity for disaster.
Is that a sliding door on the left?
Looking forward to seeing how that goes as it's a nice touch.
My design would be a similar shape with a sloping rather than apex roof but I'm looking at bifold doors of some sort.
I'm hoping no ladders will be involved in this build....
WCA can you confirm for safety sake that you will not be using:
Ladders
Drills
Saws - powered or hand
Hammers
Screwdrivers
Nails or screws
Anything that involves been lifted above ground level
Last time it was his ankle. Shall we start a sweepstake on what he'll break this time? Electricity and water are involved with this build, so I reckon some sort of comedy electro-drowning after coming through the roof.
It is a sliding door on the left as a Bi-fold is expensive for a 3.6m length.
Shed structure is my own design based on internet info for the floor and roof beam/joist spacing. All measurements are 1.2, 2.4, 3.6 or 4.8 to make it easy to use standard timber lengths.
Floor will go down with 2.4 verticals at the corners and half way along the long side. The panel frames will then be screwed in and then clad the whole lot with red cedar tongue and groove on the outside. Probably plasterboard for most the interior with wood for the sauna interior.
[i]Last time it was his ankle. Shall we start a sweepstake on what he'll break this time? [/i]
The ankle wasn't the last one. Do you really think I have been two years without injury, even allowing for the 6 months I was forced to stay in bed. Fool!
Work has stopped for the day.
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Who won the sweepstake?
😆
My son did that for real when he was about 7.
The South African doctor who treated him at A&E clearly misheard and nearly fell off his chair when cheerfully told "I put a garden fork through my welly" 😉
Possibly a reconstruction shot but my hands weren't shaking this time
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I did that when I was a kid. Literally pinned my foot to the grass. Mother wasn't impressed. Worst bit was when she had to pull the fork out!
you are, with out a doubt, the most accurately named forum member... Ever! i salute you and your local a&e.... 😆
At least I get new trainers 😉
Rather conveniently, Southampton General A&E is within falling distance of Chez Nick.
May I suggest.... [url= http://www.safetybootsuk.co.uk/dr-martens-15184201-rigger-boots-brown-leather-rigger-work-boot-with-steel-midsole-p-90960.html ]some of these...[/url] and possibly a hard hat, body armour, someone else to do the work???? 😆
Can we have a greatest hits of your escapades?
Was it yourself who created the led lights with the wood housing?
I'm looking to build something similar.
What did you use to design it?
Is the floor just plywood, and is there a wall of plywood against the house?
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[i]Can we have a greatest hits of your escapades?
Was it yourself who created the led lights with the wood housing?[/i]
Check the back issues or=f STW magazine for 'The hard way to become a poet' and that gives about 1/3 or the stuff before the ankle, the first time I did the ankle. I can't list all injuries because it will overload the www apparently. 😉
Google Sketchup for the pictures and internet building advice for the details. 450 for floor joists, 400 for walls needing plasterboard, joist and rafter size tables are available
hmmm its been 20 hours since his last post... should we be worried??? 😯
He's probably nailed his last post to his arm or something.
😆 all I keep seeing is the mental image of the built shed with a pair of feet sticking out from one end and an arm and hand, withraised thumb saluting, from one side... 🙂
(wca.. I don't want to see it, it's only in my mind... Please don't recreate in real life)
Sorry to scare you, I am still mostly alive
Footings dug and concrete filled. Here is a partway through photo.
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Lawn needs some TLC...
Looks like its scalped too much, lawn mower height setting needs raising 😀
Updates man! We need updates!
Have you employed a well recomended tradesman who'll later turn out to be completely inept for us to critique?
While we are waiting here's my shed thread. Our small shed was really tatty and taking up too much room.
So the plan was to move it behind the big shed. There is a wall behind big shed so I had to remove 50cm square out of one corner as well. I fully expected to muck it up so was reluctant to spend any money on it at all. The light coloured sides are excess wood flooring.
Really surprised that it worked as I'm not to clever at this kind of stuff.
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Okay - I was busy with work towards the end of the week so no shed progress other than ordering some timber which arrived yesterday morning
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I carried that lot down to the garage and then nipped down to the builders merchent to get some concrete blocks to level up the base.
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Building the pillars to level up the base took ages as I needed all of the towers to be exactly level. My ankle suffered somewhat walking around on the slope.
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I am hoping today to get some of that timber in place so there may be a photo later of the base framework. Watch this space
How far apart are the pillars?
Well eight hours of hard work and about 4 hours of progress.
It took me 4 hours to get the first timber bolted to the garage. It is a bit hard to see but there are ten expanding wall bolts holding the timber to the wall.
What are the chances of drilling tem holes through the timber and then the matching ten bigger holes it the wall and all of the holes, bolts and expanding bits lining up perfectly?
Slim. Four long, sweaty and sweary hours it took!
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Fortunately things speeded up a bit after that. Once we were happy that all the corners were square and everything was level I just had to fix the joists. Doubles at the tub end of the shed in case people get jiggy in the tub
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Bang in the noggins and we are done fore the day. All that in 'just' eight hours.
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Middle row of noggins look a b it pissed because I had left some screw heads sticking out when fixing the joists and was too tired to force them in. It is structurally fine and no-one will see it
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I stuck some extra little legs under the tub area in case fat people t=start getting jiggy
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Now I wait until Thursday when the under floor insulation arrives and then I can stick the 25mm ply flooring down. No photos but 6 sheets of 1200x2400 were also oiled today. Damned heavy to move into the garage.
Sparky due sometime to upgrade the old fuse box in the garage and fit me a 32 amp feed ready for the tub which will need craning over the top of the garage. Then I will start with the walls and roof.
Off for a beer and a bath now.
So how much of the garden will be left after the build, looks massive on the pics, jealous 😀
no dpm and hard core under the base?
DPM under all of the legs and between the pillars and the timber.
Shed is 3.6x4.8 so about 1/8 of the lower garden. It was pretty much dead space as it was in shade behind the garage. The lawn and flowerbeds all remain in tact and the patio and upper garden are untouched.
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...in case people get jiggy in the tub
... in case fat people t=start getting jiggy
You don't sound very sure who these people are, yet seem to think there's a very real chance of them 'getting jiggy' in there...
Is this thing some sort of municipal sex pond, or are you a member of a local dogging club? 😯
Pure optimism I imagine. "If I build it, they'll come"
Anyway, cool sex-shed.
"If I build it......"
That nearly put me off my breakfast........
Nice grey hard hat and safety flip flops in the pics above. I especially like the way you've used extra long screws so they stick right through the joists - I guess it's so you can see where they are and avoid them to save another accident!
Looks huge!
Thats what she said Vicar....
Good progress, keep the updates coming.
There won't be any updates before Thursday when the underfloor insulation arrives.
The screws sticking out the joist are 100mm timberloks going through two 47mm joists. The points will help hold up the insulation when it is put into the gaps.
It is quite big but you have to remember there is a 2.1m x 2.1m hydrotherapy pool going in and there needs to be room to walk round it. Plus a sauna at the far end.
Okay, insulation in and floor down
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Does your missus do all the hard work and you help by taking the odd photo?
Looks good, impressive progress. Expect rain stops play today 🙁
HOW BIG IS THAT BIRD FEEDER!!! 😯
....and why do you have half a bucket on wheels?
I do love a good shed thread....... 🙂
hydrotherapy pool
yeah yeah
Seeing as it's WCA doing DIY, it's more than likely to be a blood bath!! 😉
LOL @ Harry.
This thread is useless without X Rays
Rain stopped play for the morning and early afternoon but managed to get a couple walls and one of the sliding doors framed up.
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I was going to insulate and clad them as well but then read Donalds comment and left them looking like the shed had been X-Rayed
What thickness of ply did you use??
25mm for the floor. Possibly overkill but if I ever decide to turn it into a rhino dance school it won't flex.
I am building a Google Sketch up model too if anyone wants it
Not massive progress today as I slept late and finished early when some cold beer arrived.
Triangulation on the frame to make it suitably rigid.
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Also fixed a timber to the garage ready to fix the wall to it once the tub is craned over to top of the garage. The wall panel and sliding door panel are leaning against the garage wall.
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Bricked up the window but ran out of slop before I could fit the top row so we have an interesting vent for the moment.
Off for a quick shower and then some more beer with friends
No need for the diagonal noggins it will be strong enough once it is cladded , looks like standard 400 mm centres ?
600 centres.
Probably no need for the diagonals but they were scrap wood so why not.
Also, there will be sliding doors so quite a lot of force potentially hitting the corners.
Rain stopped play outside. Yes, it does sometimes rain in sunny Southampton
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Managed to get some wood cut to lengths ready for when the sunshine returns
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Got a nasty shock from the electrics. I knew that the old consumer unit would need replacing but didn't realise that the wire down from the house wasn't big enough for the current we need.
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We either dig up the existing cable that runs under the foundations of the conservatory, under the patio and the garage wall etc or run a new and separate supply to the shed.
Digging up the house, conservatory and patio isn't really an option so it has to be a new supply. Have you seen how much armoured cable costs!!! I am so glad I put the shed such a long way from the house now. First quote I got from a sparky was nearly £1400 for 80amp supply cable, consumer unit, 2 isolators a couple of plug sockets and a light switch!
Not a cost I had budgeted for.
Know diddly squat about the sparky things so have no idea if what I did is enough power for what you need but the electrician used existing 6mm cable (old shower supply)from the CU. I bought 25m of 6 or 8mm armoured cable for £90 (I think it was anyhow, would need to check) and a small CU for the shed, sockets, lights and cables.
Did the first fix and then he came round to connect it all up.
A days labour, so I saved dosh that way.
That may be my approach.
The Sauna and Hydrotherapy pool both have a big draw so looking at 86a armoured and about 30 metres which isn't cheap. Clipping it to the wall and burying it around the edge of the garden and getting it into the garageisn't that technical though.
After that we cab get the sparky to fit the consumer unit and set the wires ready for tub, sauna, light, fridge etec
83 amp for the shed ? Your mains fuse for your house will no bigger than 80 amp ......
This may sound daft but did you not need planning for this?
Doesn't look tmeporary and does look close to the boundary.
I am not a planning expert - just interested in what you can get away with.
Think you're allowed to go > 2.5m if within 1 or 2m from boundary.
No planning required, we did check. Also spoke with the neighbour before we did anything and they are happy.
The power to the shed is as big as anything needed for the house so yes, 80amp down to it. Measured it out and it is just over 40m run so 50m of 25mm armoured cable ordered. On the bright side I should be able to run any new power from the consumer unit rather than the old one which keeps tripping at the moment if I turn the heater on.
Sauna walls up, battens against the garage in place lots of electric bits bought and waiting fitting.
I will post some pictures of progress later but a bit fragile at the moment following a late poker night.
roundwheels - Member83 amp for the shed ? Your mains fuse for your house will no bigger than 80 amp ......
Ours is 100A but it would be prudent for WCA to check his incoming supply cables (perhaps it would be even more prudent for WCA to get an electrician to check it given his past form)
May not look nuch progress but a 3am poker night made Sunday quite slow.
Some holes for the electrics and the sauna wall stud work
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This is the consumer unit with a hole in the wall to feed it
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Another hole
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The sauna stud work in place
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looking good, love threads like this!
Might not need planning definitely will need Building Regs if in England
Been a bit busy with work but a delicate little bobbin of cable has arrived
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jeez, how much did that cost?