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If you are going to jump a red light cos you are running a bit late to catch a train, first ensure there is no bicycled rozzer lurking behind a bus, secondly, ensure that if there is indeed a bicycled rozzer lurking behind a bus, that you are not on a singlespeed mounting bicycle with only a 32:16t gear ratio, as he may well catch up with you and then proceed to get all pompus and righteous and issue you with a thirty pound Fixed Penalty Notice. 😳
That is all...
ooops
Thats a perfect reason not to own or ride a SS !! 😆 😆
I bet he got all excited because it was probably the first timehe had ever managed to get to use his notepad and book somebody 😀
£30!! I would've cried. 🙁
Bloomin' Lahndahners - think they own the streetz. 🙄
Even on 32:16 surely you could out pedal a tubby copper?
Small change.
Yeh. If you have a gurt-lush Condor fakenger fixed wheel thing like me you can just run away and flick some vees at fatso pc plod.
Did he have a flashy light and siren on his "rozzer racer" and if so did he use them in anger??
hahah "you've been niched my son"
Funniest news I've heard all day 🙂
Did he have a siren or was he just shouting "nee naw, nee naw" as he pedalled furiously after you?
Arse.
"Niched my son" 😆
hehe had similar on saturday.
doing a ride from london to surrey with 3 mates
On road bikes, i run mtb SPDs and one of the mates runs Road SPDs
He ran pretty much every red light on route while me and the other guys stopped
I was at the front and coming up to a red of a minor side road coming in
could see it was clear so skipped my first one of the day
one minute later a police van pulled up next to me and 'had a word'
luckily he was clearly not keen to stop so i just got an earful
pissed off with my mate for his jammyness 🙁
I feel for you 🙂
...surely you could out pedal a tubby copper?
They radio for backup if that happens....
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I've head that instead of the normal police sirens which are deemed too loud for a bicycle, and a bicycle bell which is too quiet, they play the Benny Hill theme tune.
Elfin was gonna do a runner/cycle off...
...then he recognised the copper.....
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if you are in a rush why not just get off the bike walk onto pavement and after checking way is clear run across road. Thats faster than waiting in the road for lights and not illegal.
Someone has called themselves random jeremy 😆 that is genius and I salute you.
Pwned by the old bill
On a butchers bike!
pigface - RJ or ARGE has been around for a while now, good name though.
dont jump red lights then. FFS !
(sorry ignore that, just re read the post, didnt see that running late late for train bit, sorry, cant believe the pompous and righteous ****t didnt let you off once the reason had been explained)
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why not just get off the bike walk onto pavement and after checking way is clear run across road
I hate it when people do this
at least have the balls to run the red light
Tee hee
brakes + 1
That just a wusses way and arguably still illegal - be righteous an RLJ don't wimp about
i had almost exactly the same scenario recently, i was gutted i got caught by the female, not in that good shape police operative who fined me. i'd gone through a couple of junctions but then got to one where the intersecting road was busy so had to wait, while i was sitting there she caught me up 😆 :blush:
did you give you real name ?
I still think you should have gone dahn for a stretch for it 😆
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180 rpm pedal spin away from the lights FTW
Radioman - Member
if you are in a rush why not just get off the bike walk onto pavement and after checking way is clear run across road. Thats faster than waiting in the road for lights and not illegal.
'Fraid it is, Radioman. The offence is committed when you fail to stop for the traffic signal.
The offence is committed when you fail to stop for the traffic signal.
What about unicyclists ? Surely the moment they stop they automatically become pedestrians ?
Or are they suppose to do those comical up-down-sideways trackstands, which unicyclists do, whilst waiting for the traffic lights to change ?
unicyclists should be prosecuted at birth
Haha! serves you right for acting like a dick!
Karma and the armchair anarchist 😉
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how do you spell schadenwotsit?
What about upsetting the copper with his speed gun then ?
Local large hill "penparcau Aberystwyth" copper sat at bottom in JAM BUTTIE Wizz past him at 41 mph according to my trip meter "30 " zone , as i passed i just whooped and he just smiled .!!!!!
Must have been on break !!!
What about upsetting the copper with his speed gun then ?
Local large hill "penparcau Aberystwyth" copper sat at bottom in JAM BUTTIE Wizz past him at 41 mph according to my trip meter "30 " zone , as i passed i just whooped and he just smiled .!!!!!
Must have been on break !!!
how do you spell schadenwotsit?
Correctly.
Oh, and 😆 at this thread overall!
You should've joined the Union, that would've prevented your financial loss 🙂
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pault41 - MemberWhat about upsetting the copper with his speed gun then ?
Local large hill "penparcau Aberystwyth" copper sat at bottom in JAM BUTTIE Wizz past him at 41 mph according to my trip meter "30 " zone , as i passed i just whooped and he just smiled .!!!!!
Must have been on break !!!
no speed limit for bikes, you have no speedo so how can you tell how fast you're going?
I was told by a traffic cop that ~90%* of traffic offences can be defined as 'failing to spot the police'. This one definitely counts...
* made up statistic.
Elfinsafety - Member
If you are going to jump a red light cos you are running a bit late to catch a train, first ensure there is no bicycled rozzer lurking behind a bus, secondly, ensure that if there is indeed a bicycled rozzer lurking behind a bus
Seriously? I jump red lights all the time - I'd never catch my train or get to work on time if I didn't...
Oh well. Just have to take the radar up a couple of notches.
Very useful advise Fred.
I jump red lights all the time - I'd never catch my train or get to work on time if I didn't...
Leave earlier or arrive later and stop being a **** then.
erm how? Once you get off your bike you are a pedestrian so stop at red light become a pedestrian stroll across the junction, get back on bike ride away.'Fraid it is, Radioman. The offence is committed when you fail to stop for the traffic signal
very true, I generally prefer to hone my trackstands anyway but AFAIK legal if done correctly. Would be interested to hear "proof" that it is illegal.That just a wusses way
I have a feeling that RLJing is covered by one of the more ridiculous element of the law, in that it is not illegal to run a red light, and here's the crazy bit, unless you are seen doing it. 😯 Usually by the police, who'll nick you. So all those numpties waiting on a red light at 3am with no traffic around can jump them! 😆
OK Nick me!
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Once you get off your bike you are a pedestrian so stop at red light become a pedestrian stroll across the junction, get back on bike ride away.
Probably for the same reason you can't use the [i]I'm taking my bike for a walk[/i] defence on a footpath.
Something to do with a bike not being a normal accompaniment or something.
it is not illegal to run a red light, and here's the crazy bit, unless you are seen doing it.
"This is my lawyer: Mr Heisenberg"
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CaptainFlashheart - MemberI jump red lights all the time - I'd never catch my train or get to work on time if I didn't...
Leave earlier or arrive later and stop being a **** then.
Given the logistics of the maneuvres, that wouldn't work, although not being familiar with the details, you wouldn't know that of course.
Probably best to offer opinion when you've all the facts, to avoid seeming completely specious, as in:
"a ****"
I never put others at risk.
ensure that you are not on a singlespeed mounting bicycle
Not an issue 🙂
"mounting bicycle" - isn't that an offence in Scotland? 😯
didnt see that running late late for train bit, sorry, cant believe the pompous and righteous ****t didnt let you off once the reason had been explained
Que? Since when does having a primary-school excuse make it ok to do whatever the flip you like?
I jump red lights all the time - I'd never catch my train or get to work on time if I didn't...
Leave earlier or arrive later and stop being a **** then.
Ditto. Why do some people think they can just pick and choose when the law applies to them?
Cyclists are always the first to moan and winge about the smallest infringement committed by a motorist, but for some reason are blind to their own illegal behaviour...
Ditto. Why do some people think they can just pick and choose when the law applies to them?
Because they can get away with it. "Discount for cash, guv"? Etc...
Seriously - if a light is on red, but there is NOBODY waiting to cross, what's the point?
Mr Woppit - Member
Seriously? I jump red lights all the time - I'd never catch my train or get to work on time if I didn't..
Now you're going to have to explain why leaving earlier wouldn't allow you to catch the train.
A plod just pulled me over for 'not having proper control of my bike' I was cycling one handed with a parcel in the other hand. I was on a very quiet one way street (no vehicles apart from plod) cycling at low speed. He said I could have been intending on going on a busy main road. When asked they were still no closer to finding my bike that was stolen 6 years ago. Thinking it's time to give up hope on that.
CFH - Leave earlier or arrive later and stop being a **** then.Woppit - Given the logistics of the maneuvres, that wouldn't work, although not being familiar with the details, you wouldn't know that of course
Can you elaborate on the logistics of the maneuvres(sic)?
Seriously - if a light is on red, but there is NOBODY waiting to cross, what's the point?
If nobody is around, I don't think it's illegal... 😉
Good habits?
Well, the car drivers are usually queued up waiting...
Actually, now I think about it, so are the cyclists. Erm...
So all you folk who would hang Woppit for RLJing - when you drive your cars do you always stick to the speed limit? Never park illegally? Do you never do a fiddle on your tax return or get something cheap for cash in hand?
"He who is without sin cast the first stone"
Mr Woppit
That'll be a no then.
I thought that was a civil thing that only applied to ROWs. Basically it's a load of old balls to say you were taking the bike for a walk so they closed that loophole excuse for getting caught where you shouldn't be with your bike. You are allowed to wheel your bike across pavements otherwise how do you get the bike from your house/shed/workplace to the road? Pretty sure this has been tested too, didn't a driver run over a cyclist pushing their bike across a pedestrian crossing and the driver tried to get off by saying the cyclist should not have been using the crossing anyway?Something to do with a bike not being a normal accompaniment or something.
a perfectly valid reason for hitting someone with your car I'm sure 😯
"He who is without sin cast the first stone"
Dammit. A voice of reason.
dont you try to oppress them with your religeous mumbo jumbo, I doubt woppit would appreciate you using that argument to defend him 😉"He who is without sin cast the first stone"
Never park illegally? Do you never do a fiddle on your tax return or get something cheap for cash in hand?
Never do those things.
Have I ever sped? Yes. Have I been caught? Yes. Did I throw a child like tantrum becuase I was caught, quoting spurious, irrelevant circumstances? No. I accepted the punishment.
Have I intentionally set out to break the law (be it the spirit or technical interpretation)? No.
If Mr Woppit can explain why they are forced (other than convenience) to 'break the law' to complete their commute then I'd happily read it. I doubt the explanation would be credible though.
didn't a driver run over a cyclist pushing their bike across a pedestrian crossing and the driver tried to get off by saying the cyclist should not have been using the crossing anyway?
a perfectly valid reason for hitting someone with your car I'm sure
Probably Mr W when he used to drive to work 
"He who is without sin cast the first stone"
Light blue torch paper and retreat...
[i]"He who is without sin cast the first stone"[/i]
Well that's told me. I'll never comment that being a rapist might be worthy of criticism, as having once copied some music onto a C90 cassette it would make me an awful hypocrite.
I think Woppit should "turn the other cheek" Or would "an eye for an eye" be more appropriate?
Molgrips - never speed? never park illegally?
from [url= http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php ]here[/url]Anyone pushing a bicycle is a "foot-passenger" (Crank v Brooks [1980] RTR 441) and is not "riding" it (Selby). In his judgment in the Court of Appeal in Crank v Brooks, Waller LJ said: "In my judgment a person who is walking across a pedestrian crossing pushing a bicycle, having started on the pavement on one side on her feet and not on the bicycle, and going across pushing the bicycle with both feet on the ground so to speak is clearly a 'foot passenger'. If for example she had been using it as a scooter by having one foot on the pedal and pushing herself along, she would not have been a 'foot passenger'. But the fact that she had the bicycle in her hand and was walking does not create any difference from a case where she is walking without a bicycle in her hand."
So a wishy washy tactic for wusses but seemingy legal - if you do it correctly.
Of course the copper's discretion can be used depending on circumstances of the offense. But it is illegal for a good reason - yours and everyone else's safety. It also damages the reputation and respect for cyclists.
Sorry to sound like a nag, but perhaps you could leave home 10 minutes earlier?
Did I throw a child like tantrum
Elf wasn't, was he?
So a wishy washy tactic for wusses but seemingy legal - if you do it correctly.
Is it not recommended in the highway code for turning right if you are not confident pulling into the middle of the road?
(TJ - I NEVER park illegally on purpose. On one occasion I failed to notice a single yellow line under duress, and paid the fine. I never speed intentionally except on motorways where it's 80mph but only if I am in a major hurry (which is very rare). Almost always 70mph. I am especially careful about 30s and 40s. And I know that my speedo reads 5% over but I deliberately do not drive to that to give myself a margin for error.
Oh actually, tell a lie - on the way back through France with the caravan yesterday I did 90km/h according to the GPS because the lorries were passing me and I ended up being a mobile road block. For the same reason I did 90km/h in Germany too because the 80km/h speed limit is suicide on the autobahn.)
i've run three to four red lights every weekday morning for the last six years as there are at least six sets on my way to work, however i do leave for work at 6.30 am and here in sleepy dorset there are few cars around at that time.
i never run a red unless i can see all around to be sure there is nothing coming as i wouldn't want to be responsible for someone else getting hurt. so far so good although i did get a £30 fine for riding on the pavement once.
Available. Train. Times.
Having said that, I'm going to stop at traffic lights this eve and tomorrow and compensate by pedalling harder in between. See how it goes. god loves a sinner come to repentance.
Can't bring myself to stop at pedestrain lights when there's no pedestrians, though...
I say unto you, that thus there shall be joy in heaven for one repenting sinner, more than for ninety and nine righteous who have no need of repentance. ...
There was over 40 traffic lights on my 3.5 mile commute in london. No way i'm stopping at all them, they were put there for the excessive car traffic anyway. Many are empty pedestrian crossings, or T-junctions where you wouldn't affect the joining traffic since you're in the cycle or bus lane. They aren't designed with bicycles in mind. Its not like the ASL is clear for you to stop in either, often i filter through to find it completely blocked. What do you do? wait amongst a load of motorbikes who are itching to try and beat their 0-60 times on their superbikes that are completely unsuited to commuting, i don't think so.
i don't go on the pavements though.
TandemJeremy - Member
So all you folk who would hang Woppit for RLJing - when you drive your cars do you always stick to the speed limit? Never park illegally? Do you never do a fiddle on your tax return or get something cheap for cash in hand?"He who is without sin cast the first stone"
Don't drive, so No to the first two,
Never fiddled a tax return or any related paperwork, so No
Never given or received anything cheap for cash in hand, so another No
where's that bag of stones then....
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There was over 40 traffic lights on my 3.5 mile commute in london.
Well then it's ideal for interval training 🙂
molgrips - Member
Elf wasn't, was he?
I never said he was, I described my reaction.
TandemJeremy - MemberI think Woppit should "turn the other cheek"
It's odd that you take that attitude towards someone who's explaination for intentional law breaking is it's convenient for them.
Mr Woppit - MemberAvailable. Train. Times.
What's that supposed to mean? You're the one that said that you can 'never' observe / obey the law on your commute. I've asked you to explain yourself.