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Well I'm still confused over yesterdays show. For some reason it sort of lost me. I felt it was trying to go in to many directions and had wacky humour AND hardcore threat both turned up to eleven. Really didn't work well for me.
But heck I'm obviously not in the focus group.
Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy Shit!
This gets better.
Don’t skip the end credits this week.
Ta Usually fast forward them checking....
I couldn’t find the remote, my daughter had it, so I seen it by chance.
I wasn't sold on the first few episodes but I'm loving it now!
Absolutely excellent. The last time a show got me like this was The Prisoner (yep, I'm that old.). In fact I may just start rewatching that over the next week. I have it all stored somewhere.
And the graphics/design guys must have had the best time of their lives. Paid to do that? it's like writing your own job description...
It’s great. Really enjoying it. Had to resort to google for tonight’s reveal though.
She's not the BIG bad though surely?
Not really a villain in the comics, so just another misdirection?
And the 'aerospace engineer' turned out to be a red herring masterpiece...
But yeah... The DEVIL is in the detail.
And the ‘aerospace engineer’ turned out to be a red herring masterpiece…
Well I don't know if they made the first few episodes so cringe on purpose but it seems to have worked.
The last few episodes have been amazing.
Glad i read this thread as i had given up after 1 1/2 episodes.
Returned to it last night and im up to EP6 now. Really enjoying it
To quote another (non-canon) marvel character
“Superhero Landing”
He's canon now. Deadpool 3 will be an R rated MCU movie.
Well this week was pretty remarkable. Origin stories aplenty.
Next week must be really stunning to tie this all together for the links to the up and coming MCU TV and films.
It took me two views to work through this week's episode (with mid credits scene!) and I reckon it'd stand a third look in a few days.
Anyone else sticking with it?
Yep - my 2 teens are both Marvel geeks and we family watch it every Friday. Very good. You are right, I should watch it again as there is a lot there.
Same, our family look forward to it every Friday, absolutely loving it.
Think I’ll wait until I’ve watched the last one and then watch all nine again, in one sitting.
Yep. Just one more and the following week a ‘making of’special.
only one more episode! how they'l tie this up in one episode who knows!
I wonder if there will be an cross over from Wandavision to The Falcon and Winter Soldier?
I doubt they'll cross over to Falcon, as Wanda is in the next Dr Strange. Why cross over into another TV show when she'll be staring in a movie?
I think Wandavision ties in to the next Spider-Man and Dr Strange so think it might leave some loose ends
That was good.
Two tit bits in the credits.
Only thing was white vision just sorta went hmmmmm and then flew off, you think they might want to fill that in a bit more.
That'll be the new Vision for series 2
Did enjoy the fact that the vision project was called cataract, or cloudy vision.
I've really loved this show and today the icing on the cake was Assembled: The Making of Wandavision. An hour long documentary about the series.
I really think Marvel are going to have a major effect on TV now after this and who ever thought Disney would be bring this great content to our screens?
Not me.
Agreed.
I really think Marvel are going to have a major effect on TV now after this
Guessing you didn't watch the Netflix Marvel stuff which was an order of magnitude above Wandavision and the stuff in the cinema. Which it's not related to, by the way. The first season of Jessica Jones is among the best telly I've ever watched with a properly sinister baddie (played by David Tenant) never mind all that over-inflated Thanos crap. Also does not contain endless boring fist fights.. because Killgrave doesn't need to use his fists...
😀
The first season of Jessica Jones is among the best telly
I agree. It's also true that the 2nd series was less good, and the third was trash, same is true of Daredevil, the less said about Luke Cage the better, and Iron Fist was shockingly bad. The Defenders was equally 'tepid'. There was one Ep were they literally discussed their menu choices while sitting around a table in a restaurant...for the entire length of the Ep
Well that was a bit of a mixed bag.
Loved the first four (or so) episodes, when it felt like David Lynch had made a comic book adaptation. Great performances from the two stars (and neighbours).
Felt it got much weaker when they introduced the hackneyed Marvel stereotypes of the sinister military boss, the sassy female scientist and the somewhat redundant FBI agent.
Glossed over major plot points (though I may have missed a few by not realising there were mid and end credit scenes. It's a 30 minute TV show not a movie FFS.
And while I loved the Agnes character (and the Agatha All Along song), the witchy magic fights were tiresome and the whole rationale for her presence was tenuous.
In short: I'm annoyed because it started so strongly but lapsed into cliché, with transparent attempts to make Wanda more a sympathetic character. It would have been bolder and stronger to leave her as the "villain" IMO.
I had a similar reaction to chakaping. The fight scenes were standard Marvel stuff and the jerk of a boss was two-dimensional. When you think about it, it's not really a stand-alone TV series, it's a small part of a mult-year series of movies and TV shows. It's just leading the audience to the next things. Rambeau is obviously off to join Nick Fury and Captain Marvel, and Agnes and Wanda will show up in the next Doctor Strange movie. What happens to White Vision is unclear, but there's obviously movie potential there.
the less said about Luke Cage the better
I enjoyed Luke Cage a lot, full of good racial commentary as you'd expect. And I also liked Iron Fist. Most people whined about him being a crap hero but that's the point. Those heroes are all flawed and not in a nice simple fun way but actually properly flawed in a way that doesn't necessarily make them likeable. Consequently the shows are more challenging and more intelligent than most hero stuff.
Re Wandavision I didn't like the short episodes and the fact they were made even shorter by the huge credit sequences. There must've been less than 20 mins of telly in each one and there was only nine episodes. Barely longer than a film.
Best Marvel TV is still Daredevil series one and two, Jessica Jones series one and both series of The Punisher. Luke Cage was good too. Iron fist can get in the sea. Although Danny would just cry if you told him to.
Wandavision was good and clearly had a huge budget but, for me, came across as a more sanitised version of Legion.
The Punisher was good wasn't it? That's the only Marvel TV that I've really liked before - and Ant Man the only film. I suppose Guardians of the Galaxy was OK too.
I don't have anything against superficial, formulaic action guff - it's just a bit too portentous and self-referential for my taste.
I don't know why Wandavision thought we even wanted to see 20 mins of people zapping each other with special effects. I mean what purpose does this even serve? The more good telly I watch the more I resent writers and directors padding out their stuff with utterly worthless scenes like this.
On the subject of Marvel - besides the Netflix mentioned above, the only actual MCU stuff that was good was Agents of SHIELD. Bloody loved that from start to finish. Introduced just enough self parody at just the right points in the show. Fantastic. I haven't seen series 7 yet though.
The Punisher was good wasn’t it?
Nope utter dumbass drivel.
I don’t know why Wandavision thought we even wanted to see 20 mins of people zapping each other with special effects. I mean what purpose does this even serve? The more good telly I watch the more I resent writers and directors padding out their stuff with utterly worthless scenes like this.
This is a bit like criticizing Star Wars without realizing it's a kid's movie. WandaVision was excellent family entertainment. My 10 year old daughter loved it. I enjoyed it. Proper grown-up shows like Russian Doll or Succession are better, but I can't really watch them with my kid.
This is a bit like criticizing Star Wars without realizing it’s a kid’s movie. WandaVision was excellent family entertainment
Give over. The main themes were grief, loss, denial and an adult perspective on family and need. The antagonists represented greed and power. With a side of psychological torture. Not really kids material. Unless you mean that most of it was dumbed down to the point of banality. Perhaps kids are too naieve to be jaded with this crap. But you know what, I can watch and enjoy good kids films, even without kids - this wasn't that. I really don't like justifying crap by saying 'it's for kids'. What, so kids don't deserve quality? They do, just different quality, and that should still be evident watching as an adult.
I mean I didn't hate Wandavision, but it wasn't special in the least. A bit like oven chips. Decent enough to eat and tasty, but not exactly Michelin star food.
Oh and Star Wars isn't a kids' film any more than Lord of the Rings is a kids' book.
The main themes were grief, loss, denial and an adult perspective on family and need. The antagonists represented greed and power. With a side of psychological torture. Not really kids material.
That's what adults see. Kids see a good guys versus bad guys story with some kick-ass action. That's what makes it excellent family entertainment. Just like the best Pixar stuff - kids and parents see the same thing but get a completely different experience.
Edit: Also, Star Wars is really lame watching as an adult. It's a kids' movie.
I disagree. Good kids' stuff has an engaging story that draws you in and takes you on a journey of excitement, wonder and emotion, just like good adult stuff but simpler. I don't think two aggressive baddies duking it out with super powers does any of that, tbh.
And I am thinking back to my own childhood here as well as my own two kids.
Edit: Also, Star Wars is really lame watching as an adult. It’s a kids’ movie.
It's not lame for the adults in this house. Much of the content goes above kids' heads though. Did it go above yours too? 🙂
Good kids’ stuff has an engaging story that draws you in and takes you on a journey of excitement, wonder and emotion, just like good adult stuff but simpler.
Sure. Kids are much more sophisticated than adults often realize. However, they lack the life experiences to understand a lot of the adult stuff in movies. For example, the perspectives of the parents in Inside Out.
Star Wars was a pretty good movie, but it doesn't really have anything for adults that kids don't see. It's a kids' movie. It's much less sophisticated than Toy Story or Inside Out.
I forgot about Wandavision, funnily enough and just got back to it today. Just sat through 5 minutes of witches firing laser beams at each other and realised why I forgot it. Just dull. Back to Resident Alien.
Good kids’ stuff has an engaging story that draws you in and takes you on a journey of excitement, wonder and emotion, just like good adult stuff but simpler. I don’t think two aggressive baddies duking it out with super powers does any of that, tbh.
Yes that sort of TV/film should be available for kid's but it doesn't mean it should be the only thing. There's lot of stuff I used to enjoy watching as a kid that seems utter drivel if I watch it as an adult - doesn't mean it's bad though. Ofc a lot of kids would find two people flying about zapping spells at each other entertaining.
And yeah, Resident Alien is great!
Not knowing what this was (i have not followed the super hero films in anyway), this then landed in my youtube feed and seems to sum it up for what i need to understand, interesting premise reduces down to a CGI snore-fest
Critical Drinker - Wandavision
Also Dundee gets a mention - yay!
DezB
Full MemberI forgot about Wandavision, funnily enough and just got back to it today. Just sat through 5 minutes of witches firing laser beams at each other and realised why I forgot it. Just dull. Back to Resident Alien.
I watched it all, but only because I had invested too much time waiting for it to get good to give up (still waiting). I can imagine that if you're right into the Marvel stuff its great, otherwise it's just another "interesting premise reduces down to a CGI snore-fest"
Star Wars was a pretty good movie, but it doesn’t really have anything for adults that kids don’t see.
Really?
It's essentially a blend of three things - a war film, a western, and a martial arts movie, written at a time where two of those things were mainstream and one was not. So there's a lot of commentary about the subversion of democracy and essentially Nazism. This is played up more in the prequels with the political wranglings and the most recent three - the opening scene of TFA is chillingly familiar to anyone who's read reports of Rwandan style genocide. The post-conflict economy on Jakku is a poigniant example of the abuse of power where people have no options; relevant to today's political climate. The lessons Yoda tries to give Luke in ESB are actually quite profound and whilst a bit cliched to us now were pretty new to a 70s audience. There's a lot to discuss, because there is a lot of material in it, especially over all nine films.
When do the closing credit scenes occur? I've watched 1 - 5 and can't see any in the credits.
They start popping up in the later episodes. Sometimes they sneak in two, which is annoying...
As for the debate on the overall quality, it wasn't exactly epoch-shattering, but it was diverting and I enjoyed it, just like the Mandalorian. It's not like it's jostling for room with loads of other good telly right now.
You don't miss anything by not seeing them, they add nothing to what is an already pretty haphazard storyline as far as I can tell. I think it's for the nerds to get their kicks from "easter eggs" and other references to stuff in the Marvel films that no normal people give a toss about.
I enjoyed Wandavision on the whole but a big chunk of the last Ep left me cold. The just bigger and bigger crashes in the Visions fighting sequences got boring but the big shock for me was my reaction to Agatha.
Superheroes like Wanda I can handle but along comes Agatha with the same powers but she's a witch and witches are for soppy girls right? Took me a bit of time to realise how illogical my attitude was.
I think confused is the fairest way to sum it up. For me it was too focussed on the kitsch style and twee humour. Then any 'serious' bits jarred with that tone. GOTG pulled off humour and action brilliantly, but this was just a bit of a mess.
Critical Drinker – Wandavision
That's good. Very much reflects my own thoughts on the wasted premise and confused morality.
Has to be acknowledged that there was some really excellent work done on the pastiche elements and some great scriptwriting and acting in the earlier episodes particularly, but it felt like it got hijacked by nervous execs and forced into a standard comic book bollocks template.
You don’t miss anything by not seeing them
If you miss the one where Vision gets rebuilt, his turn-up in the last Ep makes little sense...
If you miss the one where Vision gets rebuilt, his turn-up in the last Ep makes little sense…
I can vouch for this.
Easily explained by "[i]pretty haphazard storyline [/i]" 😛
I enjoyed Wandavision on the whole but a big chunk of the last Ep left me cold. The just bigger and bigger crashes in the Visions fighting sequences got boring
Not many superhero fights end with philosophical debates 😀
I think there's a lot of nit-picking in this thread, it was never going to be the next Sopranos/Wire/Band of Brothers/etc, but it was an enjoyable comic-book romp, and one that took a few "brave" steps away from the normal mould at times.
Has to be acknowledged that there was some really excellent work done on the pastiche elements and some great scriptwriting and acting in the earlier episodes particularly, but it felt like it got hijacked by nervous execs and forced into a standard comic book bollocks template.
It's a big budget comic book TV adaptation. Tomorrow we'll have the next Marvel TV series premiere. It'll be fun, but it's just a comic with human actors. VandaVision was fun, but now it's just last week's comic.
I enjoyed Wandavision ..... it was different.
The last episode was a little meh though.
Over the weekend I started Resident Alien - very funny and Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
The latter I was hoping I might be able to watch with our 9 year old like we did the Mandalorian. Watched the first episode on my own first and that's a negative 🙂 not 9 year old content!
I enjoyed it though!
I think wandavision ended up taking itself a bit too seriously, hoping Falcon Winter Soldier is a bit more dead pan.
hoping Falcon Winter Soldier is a bit more dead pan.
I watched Ep 1. Seems like a pretty standard Marvel story. I wouldn't watch it if my kid wasn't a Marvel fan, whereas Wandavision was interesting up until the final episode, when it turned into a routine Marvel superhero battle.
I enjoyed Wandavision ….. it was different.
I thought it was the same old stuff!