[Closed] Vince Cable - New LD leader

The lib dems have clearly chucked it! 😆

I wonder what he thinks of the new retirement age?

Leader? Does this mean that they now have a follower too? 🙂
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I do like the phrase

He's not given up the Brexit fight too

I see his slogan is "we need an exit from brexit". Our politics is really just run by a cabal of shit marketing companies, innit?

How about
Piss off the incontinent
Remain with the Continent
Or
Annoy the stupid inward,backward thinking retards
Take to the street with pro EU placards.
Or
Look at your skin,look at the map
You are a European ,my dear chap.
How do I get my money?

we need an exit from brexit

It's a hello of a lot more catchy then "Brexit means Brexit...."

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Zippykona- you're needed here; http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/the-mash-report

How old?

The LDs really must have given hope of power again...,

, it sounds so much more positive than 'He's refusing to accept the result'

He's refusing to [i]agree[/i] with the result. You do know that politics doesn't just stop after a vote, yes?

Don't be a dummy
Be a smarty
Come and join
The anti-democratic party!

Now holding a meeting in a phone box near you.

What's anti-democratic about the LDs, what do you mean?

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You mean apart from their desperate and futile attempt to ignore the result of the biggest vote in the country's history ?

You mean apart from their desperate and futile attempt to ignore the result of the biggest vote in the country's history ?

Hmmm, possibly confused about how democracy works.

Aye. Last I checked democracy didn't end on 23 Jun last year.

cranberry - Member
You mean apart from their desperate and futile attempt to ignore the result of the biggest vote in the country's history ?

Yergonnaneedtotryharder.

Don't be a dummy
Be a smarty
Come and join
The anti-democratic party!

What's anti-demcocratic about disagreeing with the result of any given vote?

You clearly, I assume, disagree with referendum result of 1975?.....

Whose the undemocratic one now??

Cable is a busted flush after his sell off of the post office - no one will believe a word he ever says again.

You mean apart from their desperate and futile attempt to ignore the result of the biggest vote in the country's history ?

Totally how democracy works. That's why the Whigs are still in power.

No more of a busted flush than all the other politicians who've gone back on a promise....

Those that haven't are like hens teeth..

Little bit of perspective TJ..

You clearly, I assume, disagree with referendum result of 1975?.....

Yes, and I was too young to [s]poop on my own[/s] vote at that time.

I do heartily look forward to the referendum of 2057.

You clearly, I assume, disagree with referendum result of 1975?.....

Yes

That's very anti-democratic of you.

I do heartily look forward to the referendum of 2057.

Which if doesn't go your way you'll happily & quietly accept?

mrlebowski

Nope - worst than most because the lib dems were all supposed to be about integrity and honesty - and he presented this policy as right and fair then sold it for 1/2 price. We all know he didn't believe it to be the right thing to do.

Thats why he is a busted flush - he sold his integrity for a ride in a ministerial car.

One more, then I'm going to put the Xbox on.

The Lib Dems are opposing the government's policy on Brexit. They are an opposition party. [i]This is the very definition of how parliamentary democracy works.[/i]

You can disagree with them, you can assert that you're right and they're wrong. That's fine. But to claim that they're "anti-democracy" is a Daily Express / Mail lie.

Thats why he is a busted flush - he sold his integrity for a ride in a ministerial car.

No worse than some...& better than others...

He's not Osborne nor Thatcher - save your scorn for someone more deserving..

Not my leader. 😛

mrlebowski

Osbourne never had any integrity and the tories don't claim it as their USP. Thatcher had integrity but was simply deluded

Cable sold his soul for that ministerial car and was manipulated into selling off the post office for 1/2 price and pretended it was the right thing to do.

[quote=tjagain said]mrlebowski
selling off the post office for 1/2 price

Royal Mail you mean.

My only comment (and complaint) about this is that:
1) this morning I barely noticed something on the BBC News about there being only one candidate in the LibDem leadership election
2) this evening my phone went mental with BBC !!BREAKING NEWS!! the VC had been elected leader

Osbourne never had any integrity and the tories don't claim it as their USP. Thatcher had integrity but was simply deluded

How convenient for you.

Given that RM Is currently trading below £4, the idea that Uncle Vince sold it fr half price is rather fanciiful and at odds with the truth!!

If its want for all the union nonsense, it might be worth picking up again <£4 for nearly 6% yield and apparently now more that 100% upside. BREAKING NEWS.....

Royal Mail you mean.

Pff, you and your 'facts'...

Does this one like the gays?

[quote=cranberry ]Given that RM Is currently trading below £4, the idea that Uncle Vince sold it fr half price is rather fanciiful and at odds with the truth!!

sold it for 330p Reports critical and said it should have been 30 p more peaked on day one at 615p per share and the original offer was oversubscribed by x 24 the number issued. The demand was clearly there

Best to include all the truth if you wish to chide others for their limited use of them

so the NAO report summary is here. Its more muted than yout tone and a little less positive...I am sure you appreciate the complete facts.

This is the very definition of how parliamentary democracy works.

Could not agree less. Labour supoort Brexit as thats how the country voted on a specific non oarty issue and because large numbers of their constituencies voted Brexit and strongly so.

Cable is a right prat. Gave the Post Office away with a ludicrous strategy of selling discounted shares to "long term" holders. The Lib Dems EU Ref 2 strategy got them 14 seats out of 650. Nothing has changed since June 8th, fhe policy is still a dud.

The LD's desperate support for the EU has always seemed like them grasping at the only straw that would give them any sort of political power, even if it was just a subservient hanger-on in a European super-state.
Which as far as I can see was the main reason most people voted to leave; of course there are the anti-immigration crowd that get much of the meeja attention, but then the meeja always go for the noisy ones.
Empty vessels and all that.

Could not agree less.

Of course you couldn't.

Cable is a right prat. Gave the Post Office away

What year was that, remind me?

Looks like we've entered the realm of Fake News/#jambafacts/fear or threat thereof of other people's political beliefs.

Gotta love it.

Long live STW Political Threads and the HitBiggerThanYou types 😆

Could not agree les

So why don't you respect the 1975 referendum?

Surely going against that is anti-democratic & against the will of the people?

Surely you're the one whose dissenting & should shut up & accept the result?

I do heartily look forward to the referendum of 2057.

Which if doesn't go your way you'll happily & quietly accept?

If my side do not convince the majority of voters then yes, I would accept the result. That is democracy.

As opposed to the entitlement tantrums we have seen from so many people in the last year.

cranberry » Given that RM Is currently trading below £4, the idea that Uncle Vince sold it fr half price is rather fanciiful and at odds with the truth!!

Are you sure that I wrote that ?

If a referendum was held on whether to stop people cycling on bridleways (which would easily get more than 52%) would we sit back and accept it?
If we had a referendum on chopping thieves hands off which once again would easily pass, would you be a bit upset but bow to the demands of the people?
Would you allow fracking and tearing up the green belt because even though we didn't mention it that was also part of the referendum question?
This government is staging a coup. They have a list of people to hate and unless you are a fat obnoxious golfer YOU are on it.

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No, but you might reply!!!

Looking at the RM price now - £3.97 versus what I am told ^ value at >£7 (stupidly I knocked mine out just below £6)

Must be a bargain despite trading on 10x at these levels!!!! Or perhaps not!!! Actually at these levels a 6% yield might be worth a punt.

I hope all those who claim that Uncle Vince sold it off fo a silly price bought the shares at he time - not often the gov gives money away is it!!! And it was obvious.....

If a referendum was held on whether to stop people cycling on bridleways (which would easily get more than 52%) would we sit back and accept it?
If we had a referendum on chopping thieves hands off which once again would easily pass, would you be a bit upset but bow to the demands of the people?
Would you allow fracking and tearing up the green belt because even though we didn't mention it that was also part of the referendum question?

This government is staging a coup. They have a list of people to hate and unless you are a fat obnoxious golfer YOU are on it.

If my side do not convince the majority of voters then yes, I would accept the result. That is democracy.

No, it's Idiocy.

As opposed to the entitlement tantrums we have seen from so many people in the last year.

I'm loving this Leaver version of Democracy which includes attempting to silence those who disagree with you.

I'm really struggling to understand the froth of the Jamba types on the LDs and Cable in particular continuing to object to Brexit. In the referendum 48% of the populous voted to stay. 48%. It is absolutely right that that 48% have a representation and a voice in Parliament and beyond. When we have a general election and one party wins based on a manifesto of beliefs and proposals do all the other parties and MPs elected on different beliefs suddenly say 'well the country has spoken, my beliefs are now null and void and I will now adopt the policies of the ruling party as the people have spoken and therefore they must be correct'? Do they bollocks. They continue to argue for what they believe in and what those that voted for them believe in. If we are looking for hypocrites and anti-democratic politicians we should be looking at the swathes of tory MPs that campaigned against leaving the EU yet are prepared to be a minister in a government that is doing the opposite. They should have at least resigned their ministerial position if not as an MP too. Especially pertinent if they are representing a constituency that voted remain.

And that's before we get on to the pretty clear case that the referendum was fought on some very dumbed down, simplified and ultimately inaccurate arguments on both sides. The British public are a year older and wiser about the complexity and implications of the the brexit conundrum and will get increasingly so over the next 18 months. Anyone who thinks a 2nd referendum of exactly the same members of the population in June 2018 would have an identical result as June 2016 is either deluded or lying to themselves.

Back on topic, I like Vince Cable and I'm pleased he's lib dem leader. He speaks well and (seems) to give considered opinions. Whether or not you like the lib dems, he seems to me significantly better than Farron. He certainly has a more statesmanlike demeanor than our petulant leader.

Back on topic, I like Vince Cable and I'm pleased he's lib dem leader. He speaks well and (seems) to give considered opinions. Whether or not you like the lib dems, he seems to me significantly better than Farron. He certainly has a more statesmanlike demeanor than our petulant leader.

Hear, hear.

As a remainer, I support the LD overall view. However, in terms of the democracy debate, they cannot avoid the fact that (1) they/we lost the referendum (2) in the GE, they put our a differentiated stance (albeit watered down in the end) to the two main parties who both advocated respecting the result of the referendum, and the results are clear.

So yes they have a stance, but its a minority one - remind us how democracy works??

So yes they have a stance, but its a minority one - remind us how democracy works??

All the more 'kudos' to the lib dems to sticking to the remain stance when they are not winning seats by it. They were badly burned by the coalition compromsies/backtracking but they are showing they have just as much if not more integrity as other parties

So yes they have a stance, but its a minority one - remind us how democracy works??

They have a stance, but its a minority one, representing a majority of the electorate - remind us how democracy works??

So yes they have a stance, but its a minority one

For now....

Give it another 18 months of bad news from the negotiations and a tanking economy and we'll see where we are.