[Closed] Venezuela

It is, for Fox "news" commentards.

While Chavez was no Boy Scout, Madura is a total despot.
Maybe Trump can work his magic down there, get things running smoothly again...

There's a better way of doing things, its called socialism.

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[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36913991 ]People going hungry[/url] in a country with greater oil reserves than Saudi Arabia is a powerful example of why governments fixing prices just doesn't work.

There's a better way of doing things, its called socialism.

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It's very very sad indeed. I went there 7 years ago, the area around the Colombian border in the North (which basically was paradise) then over to Caracas.

A lovely country with lovely people. Not good.

Used to go windsurfing there years ago, lovely place. Chavez was just starting to initiate his "grand social plan" and everyone was supporting his initiative, even farmers.
It'll end as it started, bit of a rift, a few killings, call for peace, economic aid, new government, plants will grow and people will laugh.

cranberry - Member
There's a better way of doing things, its called socialism.

Funnily enough working much better in socialist Bolivia next door, who had similar natural resources but built up reserves and have seen live expectancy, income etc boom. 10 years? since Morales came to power and still fastest growth in south America, even with gas price fall.

It's almost as if your zombie-like accepting of whatever the telegraph tells you to think doesn't work out, like that time they told you paying labour £3 to vote for Corbyn would result in a Tory landslide 😉

(Yes I'm not going to let you forget that one)

Apparently this is only happening because Jezza hasn't condemned it.

I don't know how he sleeps at night

Jezza's total silence is a disgrace but not a surprise. Then we have his Shadow Cabinet minister complaining about US sanctions !

Classic result of full on solicialism, no food in the shops, rioting followed by the rounding up of those who critise you / point out the bleeding obvious. As above the situation on the ground is going to get worse before it gets better

See, the thing about South American dictators is...

...well it's complicated.

I'm always impressed with how much compassion right wing nut jobs have for the poor of Venezuela. It's really touching.

I see everything through a prism of the USA ****ing with the Americas too much over the years.

For years Venezuela was a rich country (5th biggest oil producer) full of mostly very poor people. America loved it.

Then along came "populist" "socialist" Chavez and set about sorting out the social inequality. The US pulled the plug big-time and before long it was a not-so rich country full of mostly poor people. That seems to have given the right-wingers a stick to beat the Ken Livingstones of this world with and so on.

As they say on the interwebs "South Americans gonna oppress". ymmv.

Contrast Venezuela with Naija where shiploads of money are being looted yet things still seem to work. The difference? Uncle Sam is welcome in Naija.

Jambalaya, I think you are probably right to criticise Corbyn's failure to condemn Maduro/what is happening in Venezuela.

In the interest of balance, would you please also share with us all your views on Margaret Thatcher and her relationship with Pinochet.

In the interest of balance, would you please also share with us all your views on Margaret Thatcher and her relationship with Pinochet.

She praised him for 'beginning a new era in Chile, founded on True democracy'

Im not sure how lobbing your political opponents out of helicopters and killing 11000 civillians with british made weapons of war counts as true democracy?

but then y'know he was a good egg really

http://www.globalresearch.ca/thatchers-tyrants-the-tanks-the-guns-the-christmas-cards/5331905

Did Thatcher hold up the Pinochet regime as something to aspire to?

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a country with greater oil reserves than Saudi Arabia is a powerful example of why governments fixing prices just doesn't work

Care to compare the cost of producing oil in Saudi Arabia with that in Venezuela. Then compare both with the current market price of crude oil.

jambalaya - Member
Jezza's total silence is a disgrace but not a surprise

In a changing world, it's reassuring that jamba remains 100% predictable.

Is there a list of who has condemmed what so far, what has May said on it?

[quote=mikewsmith ]Is there a list of who has condemmed what so far, what has May said on it?

she's on holiday thinking about what to do next. look how well that worked out last time.

Jezza's total silence is a disgrace but not a surprise

Get over yourself.

Your glorious leader is selling arms to the Saudis FFS..

thats not how hypocracy works now is it, you must ignore anything your side does and hammer the others, it's a little dull and transparent isn't it

Your glorious leader is selling arms to the Saudis FFS..

She hasn't condemned them which appears to be what is being demanded of. Corbyn here

She hasn't condemned them which appears to be what is being demanded of. Corbyn Here

Maybe I missed something?

I think it's several years of Venezuelan history where things went from ok to shit.

I think it's several years of Venezuelan history where things went from ok to shit.

Socialism following it's inevitable path.

You seem confused about the point at which the "ok" bit started.

Is she suggesting the Saudi regime as something to aspire to?

Probably not (though I'm sure she would if there was a vote or a dolar in it). So is Jezza suggesting the Maduro regime is something to aspire to?

I don't think the poster is confused. In fact the massively simplistic analysis probably seems quite clear.

Do I really have to explain how hypocritical it is for the Tories to criticise Corbyn for a lack of morals when their own party is selling weapons to someone like the Saudis?

The Tories can't claim any moral high ground on this because they don't fing have any.

Jeez.

I don't believe I've had to explain that....

Selling arms to hell holes is one thing, wanting to emulate them is something else entirely.

5thElefant - Member
Selling arms to hell holes is one thing, wanting to emulate them is something else entirely.

Possibly. But nobody is doing so.

Newsflash: Chavez died 4 years ago. Do try to keep up.

I love that the Tories and their zombie acolytes are still trying to throw shit at Corbyn.

So as clueless as ever...