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I saw a picture on that facebook yesterday that had a caption on it saying that vegetarians 'save 100 animals a year'.
Now this got me thinking...
If everyone gave up eating meat then there would be a surplus of animals, and if remained unchecked would rapidly lead to there being 100's times the number of 'food animals' than humans. This gives a problem as these animals will need feeding. They will no doubt then eat all the vegetable, grain, pulse, etc foods that are grown leaving none for the humans.
Assuming we find a way out of this (probably by holding a massive 'day off barbecue' for everyone), then we will find oursleves not breeding the 'food animals', and thereby the vegetarianists will not be saving any animals. I dare say an established vegie isn't saving any animals already, 'cos they aren't eating an animal that hasn't been bread because they wouldn't be buying it anyway.
Anyway, I was tempted to reply to the faceplant post asking the poster where in their small 4th floor flat they were going to keep their 10 cows, 10 sheep and 80 chickens, but really couldn't be bothered. I may get round to winding them up later though.
Anyway, to keep things naturally balanced.....
...Bacon sarnie anyone?
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I think if everyone suddenly went Veggie.
The fires of Foot and mouth would looks like a small Sunday BBQ
oh good grief.
TBH, both "sides" of this particular little gem are "nonsense".
MTG: 😆
What a ludicrous argument - 'we've raised too many animals and its all the vegetarians fault that now we CBA looking after them so we're going to kill them all'
I'm not vegetarian BTW.
TBH, both "sides" of this particular little gem are "nonsense".
Exactly my point. Someone trying to tell me animals will be saved by going veggie hasn't really thought it fully through. I mind not a jot what people choose to eat, but when people do it on some 'moral' grounds, but some meats seem to be exempt for them 'cos they taste nice, does tend to heat my urine to the point of evapouration!
Reminds me of a good joke.
How do you tell if someones vegan/vegetarian?
Don't worry, they'll f**ing tell you!
How do you tell if someones vegan/vegetarian?
Don't worry, they'll f**ing tell you!
Well they'll not put their hand up will they? Too weak...
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All within the first ten posts.
Anyway, I thought the veggie argument was more "saving an animal from being murdered"
Not enabling a flock of sheep to live wild and free in the hills.
Anyway I have canine teeth.
What's row 3, column 3 then?
Me earlier
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Bacon sarnie anyone?
Don't mind if I do.
No need to home the animals. They'll do exactly the same as they do with a significant quantity of male calves in the milk industry.
Would be an interesting experiment on the effects on greenhouse gases though.
Who's got the preachy vegan sheet?
Would be an interesting experiment on the effects on greenhouse gases though
I've often wondered about this. I wonder if Veggies fart more than Omnivores? If so by how much?
Only if one instantly changes to veggie i think, but then it wears off.
Unless onions feature a lot.
. I wonder if Veggies fart more than Omnivores? If so by how much?
When I was a veggie I farted less and it smelt better too!
Now this got me thinking.
But not very hard. 🙂
I tried not eating meat once but it just didn't work for me.
Plus a cow once smiled at me so I know it was happy being bred for food.
What will we do with all the animals that die of natural causes?
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Surely the animals are bred for food. If demand drops then they simply wont breed as many.
Simple supply and demand shureley??
Oh go on then....
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Surely the animals are bred for food. If demand drops then they simply wont breed as many.
Simple supply and demand shureley??
But then how would you be saving something that didn't exist anyway?
What we should do is eat all the pretty cows first. Then the bulls won't want to have sex with the ones that are left.
But then how would you be saving something that didn't exist anyway?
Do you really need this explaining?
Do you really need this explaining?
Yeah, go on!
You may be able to tell, but I'm in a flippant mood today
If we didn't kill cows for meat and milk production they'd probably be extinct by now. Funnily enough if we stopped eating fish they'd be thriving.
Well, for some people vegetarianism is motivated by not wanting animals to be bred, raised in captivity, then slaughtered for meat. If animals are never born to fulfil this purpose then they've achieved their aim surely. Animals have been 'saved' from being raised and slaughtered purely for meat. Would have thought that was fairly obvious.
Yes, I see that but the original thing I saw said that each person would save 100 animals a year, but you can't save something that doesn't exist.
How did the world cope for over 3 billion years of life without humans to control out of control breading by animals?
It takes a lot more land to breed animals than it does to grow grain. Think we should start controlling the human population and then we wouldn't need to cut down rainforests to feed animals.
I was a "Piscatarian" for 15 years, it was often easier to just tell people I was a Veggie, you could often gauge how much of a ****nuckle the person you'd just met was by their response to finding out your diet wasn't "Normal"...
In the end the practicalities of regularly preparing three different meals for me, my wife and our first born, plus the fact that yes certain meat products are very tasty persuaded me to go back on the meat... Might switch back though one day. I'm really not too worried about animal welfare. TBH the Horse meat thing will probably serve to bolster the number of "Fair weather Vegetarians" more than the "Meat is Murder Possie" for a couple of months before normal levels of animal munching are resumed.
Some people are thick and think an individuals dietary choice is some sort of wider indicator of your political views/beliefs, but there are plenty of dickheads that do and don't eat meat, it really means nowt...
Why not just let people eat/not eat what they want?
TBH everyone know's that Meat production (Farming to you and me) is a business and it works around the basic rules of supply and demand. If there is less demand then there will be fewer animals bred, you can't "Save" an animal that wasn't born.
Obviously it takes time for the supply chain to react to changes in numbers so if a larger number of people go veggie over night the odds are they simply trigger a bit more wastage those 100 animals per-capita won't be saved from slaughter just not consumed by people...
Of course if we all went veggie tomorrow I'm sure all those spare animals would still be put to work solving other problem, Transport would be a good one, you could ride them, but the odds are we'd find a way to mash 'em up, render them down and burn them in an internal combustion engine of some sort... Anyone know the energy density of a liquified chicken? I reckon it'd get my car to/from work...
No wool either.
Get enough static shocks as it is, let alone every carpet being synthetic like the old ones in school.
Welsh hills would return to being a forest though, which could be a bonus for MTBers.
So 29er's then??
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You've Sunk my Battle Ship !
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Where would I get my leather saddle from you insensitive count
Wasn't that one was 4 squares long?
edit: and would have sunk ages ago if it was in that many disparate sections.
[i]Wasn't that one was 4 squares long?
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Battle ship with 3 direct hits isn't going to float, no matter how much bacon and special K you've had for breakfast. [b]FACT[/b]
Mmmmmm...... Bacon. Everything tastes better with bacon.
Transport would be a good one, you could ride them
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Hmmm bacon, I love bacon.
(And I don't eat meat)
I always find it quite perplexing how some of my fellow meat eaters get so angry and defensive about people that don't.
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Ah, ha ! and my funny fellow, you'd have got me there, if I didn't now invoke the STW Molgrips forum law of fairness and queueing.
In which case, a modular hull'd battle ship capable of being in more than one position at once is indeed the future and will superceed 29" wheeled bikes, by next week.
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[i]Hmmm bacon, I love bacon.
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Then fella, its your lucky day. As a little bird tells me that Bacon loves you too !
[i]get so angry and defensive about people that don't.[/i]
So we might as well eat them too !
where is all the natural fertiliser for crops to feed vegetarians going to come from without animals?
Have you stopped to consider how plants must feel? How would you like it if one day, while happily at one with the earth, roots nutured by the soil, leaves warmed by the sunlight, you were hacked off at the roots, tossed into a hopper, had your leaves torn off, skin abraded, and you were chopped into bits before your bleeding sap body was boiled alive? At least the animals get the chance to peck, or bite, or kick, or run away.
Plants have feelings too...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Supernature-A-Natural-History-Supernatural/dp/0340188332
Hmmm NOTbacon, I love NOTbacon.
where is all the natural fertiliser for crops to feed vegetarians going to come from without animals?
Shhhhhh.......
Meat is just processed vegetation anyway 😉
(Actually, why isn't that point on the battleships chart?)
Shut up...
Your making me hungry. 😀
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shermer75 - MemberWhen I was a veggie I farted less and it smelt better too!
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Apparently, the vegetarian diet can't supply the right nutrients to maintain a working sense of smell. 😉
Except for the ones who eat fish.
Hmmm bacon, I love bacon.
Have you tried seitan? Quite unnervingly realistic.
[i]you were hacked off at the roots, tossed into a hopper, had your leaves torn off, skin abraded, and you were chopped into bits before your bleeding sap body was boiled alive?[/i]
Oh, the horror of it ! Won't anyone think of the children ?
[i]unnervingly realistic.[/i]
I suspect therein lays the problem.
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*surprized the old animals made of meat joke, hasn't been posted yet*
Do get just a bit frustrated with the "I'm vegetarian, but I eat fish and chicken" brigade.
Or hard line veggies clad in leather.
Was told it was ok to wear it by one woman years ago because it was a byproduct and the cow had not been killed for the leather. She was a bit flummoxed when I asked if using by-products was ok then surely she would be ok to eat mink?
[i]Do get just a bit frustrated [/i]
Don't, its not worth it. Live and let live.
I am Human, I eat meat, its what Humans do.
My girlfriend's vegetarian so I eat mostly vegetarian stuff. Frankly it's great, and it made me realise that meat just becomes a habit. We eat meat because, well, we eat meat. It's not really necessary, certainly not in the quantities we eat it.
And then I stop and think about all the vast negatives of the meat industry, and the environmental and moral harm it does, and I think it's bloody obvious that we should eat a lot less of it. And then I think about the disgusting way most meat products are produced, and I watch cans of carcinogen-contaminated horsemeat-filled products pulled out of supermarkets, and I look at the great stuff we cook at home without using all that shit, and I REALLY am glad I eat much less of it.
Some of the arguments on this thread are so daft that I hope people are trolling, but I've heard them enough times from non-trolls not to be convinced.
By the way, I also have the best BMI of my life (BMI ~20 at 37 years old) and I've never been faster on my bike, albeit that latter point probably isn't saying much.
[i]It's not really necessary[/i]
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[i]I also have the best BMI of my life[/i]
So, firstly, Doctor ormondroyd tells me meat isn't necessary, then I'm told this is something to do with BMI ?
This is the best rubbish on STW today, so far.
You could say exactly the same thing about wheat, coffee, sugar, etc, though. Probably more a sign of overpopulation and the attitudes of commercial food producers in generalthink about all the vast negatives of the meat industry, and the environmental and moral harm it does, and I think it's bloody obvious that we should eat a lot less of it.
After being a stereotypical holier than thou vegan when I was young (who isn't holier than thou at the age of 20?) I'm largely of the 'couldn't give a sh*t what other people eat' opinion these days. I tend to find meat-eaters are much more bothered about what I/other veggies/vegans eat than I am about them, and this thread would appear to support that.
However, if there's one thing I still can't stand, it's when the ill-informed idiots question the wisdom of bringing our kids up vegan.
You could say exactly the same thing about wheat, coffee, sugar, etc, though.
Not really - the problem with meat is it's very inefficient, most of the food that goes in the front of the animal comes out the other end, only a small proportion gets turned into meat.
and I watch cans of carcinogen-contaminated horsemeat-filled products pulled out of supermarkets
Carcinogen? What carcinogens would they be? The products containing horsemeat were pulled becuase the labelling was incorrect, not becuase of any danger to the public.
Solo - Member
Do get just a bit frustrated
Don't, its not worth it. Live and let live.
I am Human, I eat meat, its what Humans do.
I don't.
I'm a veggie of 32 years.
I think I should be cross with them, even if it's just to maintain some feeling of self worth.
Agree - live and let live (especially the fluffy animals 😉 😀 )
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat"
Awesome. Homer Simpson I think.
@dazh - yep, had that for 15 years so far.
Was told we would have small, undernourished babies - both 9lb 10oz monsters
Too many myths and misinformation, but hey ours seem to be doing ok.
Who cares? Steak good, bacon good...meat good (except liver, don't like liver).
Many vegetables are also tasty in their own non-meaty way.
This is the best rubbish on STW today, so far.
Its early days yet, I'm sure there's more to come..
You could see that as a sign of efficiency, rather than the other way round. Grass gets processed to remove sugar which builds muscle mass for us to eat and the rest is returned to the ground to make more grass. I can see the process taking place right now from my office window 🙂the problem with meat is it's very inefficient, most of the food that goes in the front of the animal comes out the other end, only a small proportion gets turned into meat.
And certainly as far as upland sheep farming goes, it's about the most efficient way to produce food from poor quality land. There'd certainly be no point trying to grow maize or soya on my land, but it produces excellent lamb!
Apparently, the vegetarian diet can't supply the right nutrients to maintain a working sense of smell.
Except for the ones who eat fish.
Vegetarian: People who don't eat MEAT.
Meat: The flesh of ANIMALS
ANIMAL: a living organism which feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. Examples: Birds, mammals, fish, insects.
No vegetarians eat fish. There might be some people that eat fish that call themselves vegetarians, but they aren't called vegetarians, they're called idiots.
dazh - Member
I tend to find meat-eaters are much more bothered about what I/other veggies/vegans eat than I am about them, and this thread would appear to support that.
Some people need to point out the differences between their majority group and 'the other' to make themselves feel superior/like they belong to something.
(Got myself a 250lb line to make sure I land some)
[i]Its early days yet, I'm sure there's more to come..
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Bank on it !
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Who cares?
This looks and probably tastes gooooood....
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My mouth's watering now after looking through pictures of ribs to find a suitable one.
I think I'll have a pulled pork burrito for lunch.
Has anyone mentioned bees and vegans yet or would that be a red herring?
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No, go ahead with bees and vegans