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I think we move in very different circles!
You are allowed to look out of your own circle every once in a while 🙂
I live in a town where people take horses into pubs.
Some circles are best kept out of!
People should make a point of reading the article that sideshowdave posted above. So much truth there.
A good read IMO. I don't have too much to say on the matter except to offer and exchange vegan recipes. Mrs MR moved from veggie to vegan about 8 years ago so the vast majority of cooking I do is vegan.
Msgd her a link to that piece and she replied:
What a great article - it's exactly how I feel. I don't grill non vegans on their nutrition. Why do they think mine is any business of theirs? (Unless it's you, for example, because you care about my health)
I just don't understand the hate out there about vegans, unless it's something that subconsciously digs away at them because they deep down know about the suffering of animals, etc., and they're part of that suffering.
I get so sick and tired of being thought of as either a nuisance OR being vegan because it's trendy. I don't preach to anyone about my choice and I don't think I'm any better than anyone
In other news
walleater wrote:
Kale! God awful stuff....
wt...? Kale is delicious. In STW style I feel compelled to promote my food choices/tastes and kale is one of them. Drink it at least every other day (along with with ginger and banana). It's good with roast cauliflower as a soup. Other options are spinach, chard, savoy cabbage. Never understood the hatred of greens. Never met a food I didn't like though. Maybe locusts.
I am vegan-curious and am starting a meat free week from today, mainly for ethical reasons, I am finding the prospect of relearning to cook quite daunting. Any simple high protein recipes would be appreciated.
I am vegan-curious and am starting a meat free week from today, mainly for ethical reasons, I am finding the prospect of relearning to cook quite daunting.
It can be, all depends on what kind of cooking you already do (regularly) and yr general levels of proficiency/creativity.
For instance my parents wouldnt know how to cook a bolognaise because it's 'foreign muck' so any concept of 'alternative' cooking for them effectively begins and ends with any mention of garlic or tomato, or spices etc. 'Vegan' food to them is beyond foreign, it's Martian! But they hate cooking anyway. Having a love for food AND cooking helps in any cooking endeavour. If your experience of cooking is (extreme example) frozen burger and mash or re-heated ready-meals then knocking up a decent chilli, curry, pie or tart could be challenging whether using vegan ingredients or not!
Having already cooked vegetarian I found the move to vegan was so much easier. Loving cooking and food/tastes made the whole thing fun.
No yoghurt? Ok buy non-dairy yoghurt. No cream? Then oat cream or use coconut cream. (I use coconut cream/milk quite a lot in cooking now when a recipe requires cream or similar)
Protein is a much easier thing. Quick answer is pulses. I don't favour those big flat lentils, brown, yellow etc except for dahl sometimes. For regular protein source I found those small, speckled green lentils (dark green/puy lentils) have an excellent taste, good bite and have a high nutritional quality. Where before I'd make bolognaise, curries and chillies and shepherds/cottage pies etc - (anything with ground beef) i now use dark green lentils which I pre-boil with teaspoon or 2 of yeast extract and a dessert spoon of dried bouillon or other stock. If you use the right amount of water they will need little or no straining once cooked al-dente, before adding to your recipe.
USDA info on beef vs lentil nutrition
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As I've said once, why would you eat a chicken burger that pretends to be beef?
Eh? 😯 are you being serious? Deciding on a chicken burger is picking a piece of chicken with bun/salad/onion/dressing etc over a minced beef/onion/seasoning combination. One is not trying to masquerade as the other.
Incomparable to fake bacon made to appease vegetarian sensibilities and omnivore desires.
If such a beefburger exists (one made with chicken but sold as beef) I would love to see it.
Incomparable to fake bacon made to appease vegetarian sensibilities and omnivore desires.
Wow, that is quite a loaded sentence.
I think the point flew over Mr SMith's head, that's all.
Deciding on a chicken burger is picking a piece of chicken with bun/salad/onion/dressing etc over a minced beef/onion/seasoning combination.
So you're picking one conveniently packaged source of protein over another. So am I.
What I do know is that if I don't get my flaccid, tasteless slice of veggie bacon every morning I'm just going to have to invade Czechoslovakia, such is my omnivorous passion. 😉
The meat-alternative/fast-food question is really a red-herring. People aren't born with a dietary culture - it is largely forced upon them by parents and peers. As we reach an age at which we are granted independence we get to experiment and make out own choices about the food we eat.
In Western culture we normally develop a liking for the taste and texture of processed meat products with high-fat/carb wrappings and coatings. When someine decides to quit meat they don't automatically lose their (so far) lifelong predilection for certain tastes, seasonings and textures.
I love the taste of bacon. While a veggie I loved Morningstar bacon substitute rashers which I'd cook with eggs and mushrooms and slap on a bap. Full of fat, bite and smokey flavour (and sadly no longer available in the UK) What's actually wrong with that? I think the 'fake, meat hypocrisy' red-herring/argument is often a special type of faux-ignorance or a desire to somehow 'punish' or shame veggies/vegans for their food choices. If you think 'why do I like bacon?' You may say -' because it has a great texture, is fatty, is tasty, smoky and salty'. But you'd think a vegan should hate all these qualities? I'm not sure many bacon-fans get their eating pleasure of bacon simply from the fact that it is animal flesh and that a sentient creature was processed and killed for them to purchase? Some maybe, but not many?
Thanks for that info Malvern Rider, I'm no stranger to cooking or spices, the main issue I have is limited time and making sure the whole family will be happy eating it.
tonight I am making this
http://vegangela.com/2013/09/20/african-peanut-and-sweet-potato-stew/
So you're picking one conveniently packaged source of protein over another. So am I.
Yes. of which i’m aware of it’s content and how it’s not chicken masquerading as beef.
your comment suggested the existence of a beef burger that did not contain beef but chicken pretending to be beef.
thats my beef.
plus it’s illegal to mislabel foodstuffs, we had the horsemeat scandal a few years back, the only scandal there is the fact horesmeat is not readily available over here. 🙁
TBH I think a lot of the "preachiness" vs "everyone says the same thing about bacon" thing is just 2 sides of the same coin. (I'm not a vegan but I'm gluten free (coeliac) and there's some similarities. Basically, people are inteested in it and will ask questions, because it's rare enough that they might not know anyone else that practices the same diet. And it's always the same questions, which when you're used to living with it, and you get the same questions over and over, may seem stupid, ignorant, or rude, but to the person asking are just the obvious questions. So you develop stock responses- but people can smell a stock response a mile off and it'll always feel like a pr statement/preach.
Not sure why people get prickly about "I couldn't do it" tbh- if you ride a tricky section and someone says they couldn't do it, it's a compliment.
re substitutes, the only reason to eat them is because you like them. Quite often a substitute isn't exactly the same but that only matters if you want it to be, otherwise just take it on merit. (when I was going onto my diet, I turned my nose up at some substitutes because there was a bit of a "flavour shock" or smell, or texture- but then I revisited and instead of going "this isn't exactly like bread therefore it's rubbish" I'd go "but it's perfectly good"
Drac - ModeratorYup it does carry a bravado associated with.
I think I know what you mean but bravado's not the right word.
Yes. of which i’m aware of it’s content and how it’s not chicken masquerading as beef.
It amuses me greatly that you're asserting this when one of the big arguments from meat-eaters against such things is "it tastes nothing like chicken / beef / animal du jour."
You do realise I'm sure that it's not passing off, no-one buys veggie chicken" burgers only to find to their shock and horror that it's not actually chicken. But "textured vegetable protein coloured and flavoured to vaguely resemble chicken" isn't going to sell many patties. In and of itself veggie "meat" is fairly tasteless so any flavour is going to be artificial (arguably much like a lot of processed meat anyway); what would you rather it taste of, strawberries? I suppose you could market it as "umami flavoured" but I doubt that's going to fly off the shelves either.
your comment suggested the existence of a beef burger that did not contain beef but chicken pretending to be beef.
thats my beef.
No, I'm suggesting that you can take any old lump of protein, squash in flat and shove it in a bun; be that beef, chicken, TVP, Quorn, beans or anything else. All are equally valid. The rest is just marketing.
Why do you care, anyway? Don't want to eat it, don't eat it. Simples.
plus it’s illegal to mislabel foodstuffs, we had the horsemeat scandal a few years back, the only scandal there is the fact horesmeat is not readily available over here.
Straw man is strawy.
the main issue I have is limited time and making sure the whole family will be happy eating it
Oof! Are they a tough audience? I've found I need more time in order to cook from scratch *all of the time* as tasty/nutritional vegan cooking effectively precludes fast-foods which are so much part of our culture. And cheese was my regular go-to foodstuff to make a dish taste instantly better! A workaround is to make larger batches of sauces, meals etc and freeze or store chilled for next week. Also having a core toolkit/larder of spices, oils, fats and pulses etc - this saves a LOT of time on small, frequent annoying store-visits.
What non-vegan meals would you normally cook for the family, may I ask?
people are inteested in it and will ask questions. And it's always the same questions, which when you're used to living with it, and you get the same questions over and over, may seem stupid, ignorant, or rude. So yo develop stock responses- but people can smell a stock response a mile off and it'll always feel a bit preachy/pr statement.
I've no issues with people asking questions, the issue (if there even is an issue, it's not really) is that when they get answers, they then get all defensive. You don't want answers, don't ask questions. The only time I bring it up is either when people ask or when they won't take "no thank you" for an answer when they're trying to bully you into a ham sandwich.
Not sure why people get prickly about "I couldn't do it" tbh- if you ride a tricky section and someone says they couldn't do it, it's a compliment.
True, but it's kinda tied up in what I've just said. After having the same conversation twice a week for a couple of decades it just gets a bit tiring. Like in the cartoon a couple of pages back, I'm happy to talk about it with people who are interested but generally I just want to have my bloody lunch in peace without having to justify it to someone who wants to lecture me about incisors and depth perception.
I'll give you an example. A couple of years back I went out for an evening meal with a new team down South. I'm self-conscious about eating generally, I'm aware I'm a bit unusual with food and the idea of having to dine in public with a bunch of people I barely know fills me with dread. Halfway through the main course my new boss goes, "hey, where's your meat?" Cue a half hour discussion from two thirds of the table about the merits of meat, how they couldn't do it, how they could do it but they like bacon too much, what's my reasoning, oh, well, here's why your reasons are wrong, we're designed to eat meat, do you eat fish, yeah but your shoes are leather, so what do you eat then, if you eat fake chicken you might as well eat real chicken, my cousin's mate's hairdresser is a vegetarian and she gets a kebab when she's pissed, where do you get protein, where do you get vitamins, that sounds really unhealthy, I bet you want to eat meat really, vegetarians are so preachy, blah blah sodding blah pass the bingo card. I wanted to say, will you please just **** off and leave me alone, eat your precious diced baa-lamb if it makes you happy, mine's going cold. What I really want is to be the centre of attention when I'm eating in front of near-strangers, it's my favouritest thing evar.
Malvern Rider, my son is a bit picky, actually very picky! Family meals would typically be shepherds pie, Bolognaise, chilli, curries, casseroles... just average family meals. Dairy isn't off the menu yet, but I do plan to reduce and hopefully give it up.
Cougar - ModeratorWhat I really want is to be the centre of attention when I'm eating in front of near-strangers, it's my favouritest thing evar.
Of course it is, why else would you be vegan?
"We're designed to eat meat" would annoy me. Or any other bullshit justifications for eating meat for that matter. It's like every politics thread on singletrack, if you have to make stuff up to justify your position, you have to be at least a little bit aware that your position is bullshit.
Most of that is fairly trivial to work round, substitute the mice for either TVP / Quorn mince or other beans / pulses / veg. They're all heavily spiced dishes so the meat is there for nutrition and texture rather than taste.
One thing to watch if you take the Quorn route is it cooks much faster than beef mince; if you boil it for a fortnight you'll end up with sludge. 15 mins tops, and frying it off first will add a bit more bite to it. If you fry it you can add things like soy sauce, Marmite, stock or gravy to give it a bit of umph. The "liquid seasoning" in the little yellow bottle (Maggi?) works well too.
Of course it is, why else would you be vegan?
They probably have iPhones as well.
substitute the mice for either Quorn mince or other beans / pulses / veg.
You are Mr.Jinks and I claim my five pounds.
[i]shepherds pie, Bolognaise, chilli[/i]
As these are all variations on a theme, puy lentils are a great substitute for mince. As long as you don't mind the farting.
I think this is mentioned above (the lentils, not the farting).
You are Mr.Jinks and I claim my five pounds.
😆 I completely missed that.
I'll give you an example. A couple of years back I went out for an evening meal with a new team down South. I'm self-conscious about eating generally, I'm aware I'm a bit unusual with food and the idea of having to dine in public with a bunch of people I barely know fills me with dread. Halfway through the main course my new boss goes, "hey, where's your meat?" Cue a half hour discussion from two thirds of the table about the merits of meat, how they couldn't do it, how they could do it but they like bacon too much, what's my reasoning, oh, well, here's why your reasons are wrong, we're designed to eat meat, do you eat fish, yeah but your shoes are leather, so what do you eat then, if you eat fake chicken you might as well eat real chicken, my cousin's mate's hairdresser is a vegetarian and she gets a kebab when she's pissed, where do you get protein, where do you get vitamins, that sounds really unhealthy, I bet you want to eat meat really, vegetarians are so preachy, blah blah sodding blah pass the bingo card. I wanted to say, will you please just **** off and leave me alone, eat your precious diced baa-lamb if it makes you happy, mine's going cold. What I really want is to be the centre of attention when I'm eating in front of near-strangers, it's my favouritest thing evar.
having been through this kind of thing on probably a dozen occasions over the last 25+ years of being vegan has certainly not done my social anxiety/introvert personality any favours at all.
ironic that my chosen screen name here (and other places) betrays my fear of all that unwanted attention really...
As a matter of interest....are there any (politically) right wing leaning Vegans in the Forum, or is it a typical left wing hand wringing trait?
That's two fairly small demographics on STW you're looking at there I'd hazard, I don't think the vocal members of the forum will be overly representative of society as a whole.
I'd expect that people who are vegan for ethical reasons (which I suspect is the majority) would have similar ethics in other areas which would thus preclude them from being racist fascist cockbags, but I don't doubt there's some vegan Brexiteering UKIPpers also. People, innit.
I'm veggie and reasonably left wing, I've never wrung my hands though, dies that count?
We've not got the strength to, apparently.
Rockape63 - does this help with your theories? ;D
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism
Yes I know that's not vegan, but hey...
To balance that out I'm a radical lefty vegan though... 🙂
maybe relevant
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/big-in-israel-vegan-warriors/413149/
are there any (politically) right wing leaning Vegans in the Forum, or is it a typical left wing hand wringing trait?
So its a 'No' so far then? 🙂
I'm not a lefty hand wringer but reductionist arseholes might call me one. I don't know, I don't control how others view me.
If I was to give myself a title (which I avoid, as philosophy should evolve with one's experiences and understanding) I would probably call myself a green libertarian with anarchist/localist leanings.
But you will probably just see that as being a lefty hand wringer, because you're coming across as the sort of person that calls everyone who isn't the same as you a lefty hand wringer.
Which is fine, I don't care, I'll still be your friend.
Hmm, it's an odd one. Vegan cafe opposite my local pub sells donors made with the fake chicken made by the Vegetarian Butcher company. It's [i]too[/i] real (bearing in mind I was probably 14 last time I ate meat), does not feel right... it's even slightly gristly. It doesn't have to look like chicken IMO, same as I don't really want plant milks to be white and creamy. They could be grey or blue for all I care.
But.. I am not the future of veganism.
Asked my pet vegan if she was was a 'lefty hand-wringer and she said 'it sounds like a bunch of assholes on there'.
I think my interest is more in whether to stick to your personal ethics/morals or change them. There's a whole spectrum of personality traits spanning from hand wringing- to taking action- to doing nothing/ambivalent - whether left or right-leaning?
Asked my pet vegan if she was was a 'lefty hand-wringer and she said 'it sounds like a bunch of assholes on there'.
Is that a yes?
Is that a yes?
I guess so, if you view her dismissiveness as evidence of her 'hand-wringing' (excessive displays of concern or distress) except that then your dismissiveness re vegans would similarly be evidence of your hand-wringing?
Or something.
Asked my pet vegan if she was was a 'lefty hand-wringer and she said 'it sounds like a bunch of assholes on there'.
Did you compliment her on her powers of perception?
Did you compliment her on her powers of perception?
Yeah but what use are these powers if she married one 😀
I think I know what you mean but bravado's not the right word.
Willy waving?
my son is a bit picky, actually very picky! Family meals would typically be shepherds pie, Bolognaise, chilli, curries, casseroles... just average family meals. Dairy isn't off the menu yet, but I do plan to reduce and hopefully give it up.
I have a few tips
If the mash is boring add tinned coconut cream to fatten it/make it more interesting in place of butter
'Pure' soy spread serves well for regular spread
Marmite is a great thing to have around for adding salty tasty zing where required. Also use more honey/sugar in recipes where meat or dairy may have increased the sweetness.
Look for a tub of Nutritional Yeast Flakes (savoury) - a handful of these in a soy mince or puy lentil bolognaise/cottage pie will bring all the sauce flavours together and you get a 'tang' of Vit B12 and a cheesy sort of flavour which often lacks in veggie/vegan recipes. These make a big difference.
Cook some pearl barley and add to dishes as a simple carb filler or in place of rice.
Look to indian recipes IMO Indian cooking offers some of the tastiest veggie food and easy to adapt to vegan. Again - coconut cream is v handy where no butter used.*
Edit. *And Italian
I almost never eat a traditional UK/British meal tbh and it is all middle eastern and curries.
Many more recipes and variety as ours is a meat and two veg diet in the main - not saying we dont have good food but the list of vegan meals is not long.
I suspect you will find caring folk tend to not be right wing asshats.are there any (politically) right wing leaning Vegans in the Forum, or is it a typical left wing hand wringing trait?
I almost never eat a traditional UK/British meal tbh and it is all middle eastern and curries.
Been back for a curry in Dumfries and Galloway yet? 😉
erm NO
"she discovered it made a brilliant facial"
Pet Vegan? Sounds like a interesting career change for me. Pay any good?
Pet Vegan? Sounds like a interesting career change for me. Pay any good?
See bigjim's post.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/14/vegan-single-mum-drinks-sperm-smoothies-every-morning-to-give-her-energy-6257252/
Poor friend, I'll bet she never collects it from him herself straight from the source.
"‘My other mates think I’m strange, but I don’t give a toss."
😆
I am finding the prospect of relearning to cook quite daunting
A problem I never had 🙂
Cooking habits pre-vegan (admittedly I was a 1st year student): Frying sausages, bacon (sorry, didn't want to mention it again), fish fingers, burgers and chips. I could also put a frozen pizza in an oven.
Cooking habits post vegan: Mexican, Italian, Thai, Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, Japanese. I also learned to make proper gravy, cakes, pizza dough and various other stuff.
[rightwinghandwringer]^ So basically became a woman? Unless you work as a chef. But let's imagine you aren't a chef. So you became a woman. All you need to figure out now is when to start 'collecting' that post-vegan protein? 😉 [/rightwinghandwringer]
I also learned to make proper gravy...
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It isn't daunting in itself, but I literally have no spare time. You can make certain things on autopilot while looking after demanding young children, not so easy with new recipes.
Bagstard, maybe start out by adapting your existing repertoire (ie a cottage pie now filled with carrots, mushrooms with soya mince or dk green lentils and topped with a vegan mash (ie mashed potato mixed with coconut cream/savoury yeast flakes), then throw in a few time-saving easy-pleasers such as simple curry recipes that take very little time to prep ie:
[url] http://www.food.com/recipe/pumpkin-banana-and-chickpea-curry-52807?ftab=reviews#activity-feed [/url]
Just occured to me that as currys can stand or fall by the quality of the sauteed onions (and who has 30 mins to constantly stir/sauté onions?) I wonder if these can be done in big batches and frozen?
PS soy and/or lentil and veg shepherd's pie does really well with a tablespoon of mint sauce in the sauce/gravy, along with teaspoon of yeast extract and a teaspoon of sugar. I often make quick gravy either with granules or powdered bouillon (Marigold low salt is a good one) and then augment per dish ie if with vegan sausage then add browned/caramelised onions and mustard, if with shepherds pie then as mentioned, etc...
Just remembered home made vegan rice pud.
Prep as if making a dairy one but instead of milk add approx 70% Koko brand milk to 30% tinned coconut milk/cream, whisked together well before putting with rice. Flavour with a dash of almond essence and nutmeg and bake until done.
More time-saving tips:
Jars of prepared garlic and ginger paste in oil usually available at bigger supermarkets in Asian sections, or local Asian shops. Perfect for quick currys just add to the hot oil/onions/spices and stir for 30 secs before adding the bulk of the curry ingredients.
Quick burgers - Granose burger mix - a little water, savoury yeast flakes and prepared (non-cream) horseradish with a little sugar. Make into balls then flatten/rotate with one hand while patting/maintaining edges with a spatula. Fry in oil and top with dill pickle, salad and vegan mayo/ketchup.
If cooking bolognaise sauce make triple and freeze 2 for future weeks. That's two meal preps ahead of self
curious about vegan ethics, why is it wrong to use animal products but ok to use a computer, or drive, or use synthetic materials,etc all things that will have resulted in the destruction of the natural environment?
I know you can say that killing a cow for meat you are directly responsible, and that no one intended for an oil tanker to run aground off the Cornish coast.
In that sense, it's impossible to be truly vegan in the modern world unless you go and live in a hippie commune foraging for nuts and berries. There will always be compromise, but that doesn't mean there isn't merit in best endeavours. For instance, if you need a car but are concerned about pollution, you can get a small hybrid rather than a V6.
Different folk will do different things anyway. In the same way that, I don't know, not all meat eaters eat beef say, individual veggies / vegans will choose what is and isn't acceptable or desirable. What I'm prepared to compromise on, others may not.
curious about vegan ethics, why is it wrong to use animal products but ok to use a computer, or drive, or use synthetic materials,etc all things that will have resulted in the destruction of the natural environment?
[rightwinghandwringer]. I totally get that. Vegans are hypocrites. It's like a meat-eater refusing to cage dogs and then eat them (nasty Chinese habit), yet them seem quite happy to use a PC or iPhone (Chinese slave-labour) to order another equaliy sentient factory-raised mammal to be slaughtered.
In fact why would anyone with any ethical concerns whatsoever support such products/mass pollution?
The only thing a vegan can do to reduce pollution AND animal suffering is to wear wool given freely by free-range sheep who live in a warm country (so don't require their own wool). The sheep are not aware of their wool disappearing as the wool is clipped in small amounts every day by invisible fairies who also eat wild grain and then poo in the woods. If you don't do this then WHY NOT EAT BACON? Answer me that, hypocrite vegans? You 'Save The Dogs' freaks are a total joke with your hemp iPad covers. [/rightwinghandwringer]
MrMo, watch [url= http://www.cowspiracy.com/ ]Cowspiracy[/url] and see if that answers your question. Which would benefit the environment more - quitting our car addiction, or ceasing to farm animals for their meat and milk?
Though tbh I'm not sure why being vegan requires me to give a fig about rising sea levels or starving children in far flung places (not saying I don't, of course). I went vegan before its environmental and health benefits were widely known; I would have done it even if the impact on my heath were detrimental. But I'm irrelevant; a dinosaur. The wave of vacuous instagram vegan gym bunnies probably don't care about animal welfare nor environment issues and why should they?
How hectic is your life that you can't learn a new recipe or follow a guide, even with kids is easily achievable.
Thanks for that Malvern Rider, some helpful suggestions there.
Bagstard, the first thing I ever made myself was a lentil curry recipe I found on the back of the packet of lentils. I still make (a modified vrsion of) it today because it takes 15 minutes - which is about all the time I have between getting home from training and picking up the wee'an from the bus stop at lunch time. Failing that, I can always stick some Fry's sausages under the grill but I really don't like doing so - expensive and not that good for a 3yo. Prefer him to have proper food.
Drac, out of bed at 5am, start work at 6, home at 2.30 to walk the dog, collect son at 3.15, back home around 3.35, settle him with a snack and go to my home gym until 4.50, collect other son from nursery, home around 5.30 to make them both dinner, check homework, bath, stories, bed at 7, have dinner and spend some time with my wife, bed at 9.30.
This doesn't include swimming lessons etc and having my childrens friends thrown into the mix. There just isn't much free time with a young family.
Even though my wife is of Indian descent, neither of us like eating curry that often, once a week is maximum for me really.
daz, re the vegan doner kebab question- well, look here:
[url= http://fatgayvegan.com/2016/08/05/vegan-doner-kebab-in-london/ ]kebabish?[/url]
My pleasure Mr Bagstard.
Red Dragon Pie (w/aduki beans) is another filling/comforting wintery dish I just remembered. Plenty recipes online for that one. Hopefully as kids get older then prep/cooking can be more of a family affair, they can help do stuff so are entertained, educated and you (potentially) save time all in one activity!*
*Discounting extra time spent cleaning flour off floor and sauce from ceiling 😉
Just replying to a post earlier - i think toys, Whilst some cultures could go vegan, there are others that rely solely on meat/fish to live. "Veganism" is a westernised ideal, most cultures eating habits revolve around their ability to provision for food based on the topography of where they live, so those where there is rich diversity of flora/forna/veg a healthy diet can be had, those where plants struggle, then people revert to meat/fish.
Skimmed through this when I got in from work this morning....hard to get emotive either way for me....we're talking about food that's all....you eat it, digest it and then excrete it....why that should concern anybody else is baffling to me.
I eat plenty of meals without meat in them, salads in particular and moreso in the summer....I think I'd struggle to put together a vegan meal though as I often use cheese if I'm making a meat free dish.
Some vaguely interesting points re. eating dogs, horse etc....always comes up on these threads, it's purely cultural which is why it happens in other cultures/countries...if you'd been brought up in a country eating dogs it wouldn't feel strange....but generally we don't do this in the UK so the thought of it does feel odd.
For the exotic curious there is a website called Kezie Foods and you can order pretty much anything on there although I've yet to see dog but crocodile, antelope, horse, emu, etc are all for sale and I've yet to try a meat I don't like yet and that includes liver, heart, kidney, offal ...for me that's the only reason for eating something, do I like the taste?
Selfish?....depends how you view animals, I simply don't put them on an equal footing to us and view them as consumables.
In the same way that I wouldn't interrogate a vegan on their dietary habits I expect the same politeness in return....generally most people seem pretty laid back about what they eat so I've never had any of these 'uncomfortable' conversations/confrontations that other posters have outlined on the previous pages.
Thread hijack but I wish people would extend their manners to pretty much every personal topic, I wouldn't dream of sitting in a restaurant questioning someone about their appearance or asking why they're fat for example but plenty seem to think I want their unsolicited, bigoted and critical views on my tattoos spouted in my face all evening....boring. To sum up, live and let live I suppose...and keep your opinions on the personal matters of others to yourself unless asked (or posting in a thread like this!).
kebabish?
Yeah I'd heard about that, but had forgotten about it so thanks for the reminder. Also just found [url= http://www.veggiestuff.com/meat-alternatives/vegetarian-vegan-kebab-gyros ]this[/url]!
they used to sell some of those in v-revolution on oldham st in manc, but now they're moving to edge street and becoming full diner/restaurant with no deli counter at all. maybe unicorn in chorlton sells it, i'm not sure...
I'm just surprised that after 3 days the vegans on this thread still have enough energy to keep typing 🙂
Bagstard, it really does sound like laziness (or lack of energy / inclination) rather than any real time limitation - sorry! Lots of us have a similar lifestyle yet manage to fit cooking in.
A couple of ideas:
* Get a slow cooker (just chuck the stuff in and let it do all the work)
* Browse the BBC good food website and look for recipes with low prep time - it usually doesn't matter if a recipe takes an hour and a half to get to the table if an hour and a quarter of that is spent in the oven.
* Cook in bulk at the weekend and freeze.
I think I'd struggle to put together a vegan meal though as I often use cheese if I'm making a meat free dish.
You can get vegan cheese. That's cheese for vegans, not made from them. I've never had it so can't comment, but I know it exists.
In the same way that I wouldn't interrogate a vegan on their dietary habits I expect the same politeness in return....generally most people seem pretty laid back about what they eat so I've never had any of these 'uncomfortable' conversations/confrontations that other posters have outlined on the previous pages.
I do wonder how many of these "preachy vegans" actually exist, it does seem to be an oft-laboured cliché but it doesn't really match my experiences. Offhand I think I've encountered two in my life. One was a full-on meat-is-murder all-men-are-rapists lesbian-but-had-a-boyfriend that I knew at university; the other was some random lass in a pub who wanted to have an argument with whoever would listen. I called her out and she had a proper rant at me about how my meat eating was cruel and all the rest of it. After about five minutes of "debate" I got around to mentioning that I'd been veggie for a decade, she went a bit quiet and sloped off.
Counter this with preachy omnivores, I've had more lectures and arguments from them than I've had (meat-free) hot dinners.
Thanks mogrim, I think...
Just to make sure we have the same lives, please confirm does your wife have post natal depression meaning you have pretty much a third child to look after? Has your youngest just started to walk and spent most of the last month ill and too clingy to put down? I do all the cooking, but I cook things I know off pat that I know my family will eat.
I also currently do all the cleaning, washing... so pardon my laziness.
maybe unicorn in chorlton sells it
Very much doubt it, but I'm boycotting that place in any case on account of it's rank hypocrisy in how they treat their casual staff.
Thanks mogrim, I think...Just to make sure we have the same lives, please confirm does your wife have post natal depression meaning you have pretty much a third child to look after? Has your youngest just started to walk and spent most of the last month ill and too clingy to put down? I do all the cooking, but I cook things I know off pat that I know my family will eat.
I also currently do all the cleaning, washing... so pardon my laziness.
Sorry if I came over too harsh, and your earlier description of your family life (perhaps understandably) left out all that detail - in that case I can understand your lack of energy when it comes to cooking. (I still think you have enough actual time, but sometime's life's too short!). My apologies!
Thing is mogrim, cooking from a recipe only gets you so far, how often do you follow a recipe to a t and feel disappointed by the taste? When you are stood relaxed with a drink in your hand cooking can be a pleasure, you make little adjustments and taste as you go and you know when you get it right. Sauce too thick or thin you know instinctively what to do, but the rules have changed and the ingredients have changed.
It will take time and experience to get to that stage with Vegan cooking, by the time I am finally finished everything I am fit to drop and just want to sit down.
Meal plans at the start of the week and cooking in bulk to make home-made frozen "ready meals" gave me a lot more free time (and money).
I've a young family although not so young now, work 12-15 hour shifts do as much family stuff as possible and can cook meals too. That and between my wife we seem to cope, it's easy to cook a meal vegan or otherwise quite quickly.
[b]fin25 - Member [/b]Bread is vegan
Skittles are vegan
Hobnobs are vegan
Apple strudel is vegan
Oreos are vegan
Pretzels are vegan
Some donuts are vegan
A surprising variety of biscuits are vegan
Beer and wine is increasingly vegan as are most spirits.
Turns out I'm more vegan than I thought.
I thought unicorn was a co-operative, it certainly used to be before the prices went daft.