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This isn't something I think I've seen discussed on here before. Are there any?
There seems to have been a bit of an increase in popularity recently and I've no complaints about that.
Been discussed plenty.
Fantastic contribution, thanks.
Well you've obviously not paid attention to the usual bollocks that ensues whenever vegans or vegetarians come up (I was vegan, now vegetarian btw)
My advice would be don't bother, but if you must, someone will be along in a bit to recommend a bacon sandwich.
Bacon sandwich, get it down ye.
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Yep there are a few of us around these parts
i suppose so.
there are loads of us on here but we don't generally venture into vegan threads. It's not B12 deficiency that kills vegans, it's the tedium of engaging with the bacon sandwich brigade.
you mean the limp sausage crew
Mmmm... Bacon...
I ride with a Girl that's vegan, i find it all a tad intersting, i wouldnt or couldn't put the amount of effort into meal times as this Girl does. Hat off to her, she can make that bike go whilst simultaneously ranting on about hashtag no meat athlete etc, etc, etc.
Anyway, I've learnt about as much about as i need to at cafe stops, So when a relative from Australia sent their attention seeking vegan daughter to our house over the summer i repeatedly questioned her about Cow juice on cereal? butter on toast? My supply of mars bars that were miraculously disappearing? and her penchant for McDonalds chicken nuggets and chocolate Milk shakes. Then she would get back to our house and demand my Wife cooked a seperate meal for her that was Vegan!
In the end we moved her on to another relative who complained that she ate too much Junk food.
See i've not mentioned Bacon Sarnie's. I just thought i'd get that off my chest.
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Just don't mention bacon or it makes them grumpy.
Sounds like she wasn't a vegan.
It does sound like she is a **** though.
I understand vegetarian. At a push I could manage without bacon*. But ruling out butter, cheese, milk etc. and everything derived from them is definitely a step too far for me.
* This is probably not true.
Post brexit they'll be toast. But without the butter.
I ride[s] with[/s] a Girl that's vegan
FTFME
Is a vegan dates a vegan has vegan children
and I never ever ever tire of those hilarious bacon butty jokes
thi is the only funny thing I discovered on one of the many threads on here
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which is less funny than the first pic and still not as funny as saying bacon...mmmmm
you do not do it for your taste buds but for your ethicsBut ruling out butter, cheese, milk etc. and everything derived from them is definitely a step too far for me
though plenty of the food is awesome and I am an exceptional cake chef these days...pumpkin pie tonight seeing as you asked.
I'm generally vegan at home, but if I go to someone's house for dinner or to a wedding or whatever, I'll eat what I'm offered because I'm not an arsehole.
The occasional domino's margherita never killed anyone either...
I did once get accused of being in Monsanto's pocket by one of my very trendy liberal friends, which was strange.
Bread is vegan
Skittles are vegan
Hobnobs are vegan
Apple strudel is vegan
Oreos are vegan
Pretzels are vegan
Some donuts are vegan
A surprising variety of biscuits are vegan
I make bloody awesome vegan pancakes
Beer and wine is increasingly vegan as are most spirits.
Basically, you don't have to starve yourself or live off hippy lentil crap to be a successful vegan (which I do not consider myself). You also don't have to be that **** who forces it on everyone around them at every available opportunity.
Hmm. Chicken Pakora
is it better than bacon?
Oooh! Are we doing funny. Ok.
I love that video, sums up a lot of people. The main problem with being vegan is that all the intolerance hunting glutenphobes suddenly want to be your friend, because they think I'm one of them, which I'm not, but some vegans are.
I'm drunk.
Are we doing funny. Ok.
Meat eaters are hilarious arent they but not as funny as saying bacon
Thankfully no meat eater ever tells you they eat meat or what meat they like, nor that they could not live with out it- did i ask you to ?- when they discover you are vegan* and if they did they would not be doing it on a vegan thread as well they are more sensitive and dont shove their choices down others throat
* this is how it happens -
Do you want a biscuit
Oh what are they
Can i see the ingredients
Why are you gluten intolerant allergic to nuts or some such other
I now have to say i am a vegan and then i am preaching and telling everyone
Basically if anyone offers you a brew or food you need to say you are vegan
No milk please
oh are you allergic?
no I am a vegan and i am preaching
Not once on a bike ride has anyone ever mentioned whether what they are eating is meat or not and whether they enjoyed it.
Yeah but bacon.
Drac that's really good. Unfair but good!
Junkyard I wouldn't regard someone as preachy for what you describe. Food allergies in the family so it's normal.
It's not bad is it?
Of course it bares little resemblance to most vegans but then again most vegans really don't have to explain their reason why they don't a certain food substance.
The bacon joke is long standing on here the same as Baby Robin is.
Bacon isn't made from baby robins is it????
The occasional domino's margherita never killed anyone either
not killing [i]people[/i] isn't really the point though is it [/veganpolice]
AFAIK bacon mentioners, amusing as they are, have yet to equal the venerable[url= https://www.instagram.com/vegansidekick/ ] Vegan Sidekick
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Lonely?
Are smokey bacon crisps vegan? I know they are kosher and just wondered - you seem to be bacon curious.
scotroutes - Member
Hmm. Chicken Pakora
Maybe you had to be there.Junkyard - lazarus
is it better than bacon
Vegans/vegetarians, answer me this - Quorn. Why?? Why eat a (poor) meat substitute?? 😯
DOH[sound of penny dropping]
didn't know Quorn was vegan tbh
Most Quorn isn't vegan.
It mostly isn't.
It is rank though.
And not all veggies/vegans eat quorn.
Liver's horrible, can't understand why all you meat eaters eat liver, it's rank! 😉
Bit of an assumption on my part (sorry) but I just don't get it? I have no Idea of its suitability for vegans etc. Doesn't being vegan stretch to no leather etc??
I have some leather shoes that I bought before I became vegan, I still wear them as it would be wasteful to throw them out. I won't buy leather shoes again though.
Live life ital. Irie Ites.
It's a shame that a moderator on here is the one being the biggest prat on this thread 🙂
My partner and I have been vegan since January this year. It's actually very easy to do provided you do your research first to make sure you do it right. I hated cooking before and now I love it, it might be coincidental but I used to get migraines frequently and I haven't had a single one this year and have stopped carrying my medication around with me.
The hard bit is dealing with other people, a lot are pretty fine about it, might ask a few genuine questions then leave you in peace. Some turn into rage and hate filled bellends as soon as they find out you don't eat meat or use any animal products, they get even worse if they find out that your not doing it for health reasons but for ethical ones. They are often constantly abusive and patronising and even try to trick you into eating meat or shove animal products in your face. This can be really bad as after awhile of not eating animal products they can make you sick if you consume them. For this reason I try to keep it hidden from people in real life as much as I can. My family know and my nan and mother are supportive though sometimes give me vegetarian food by mistake but at least they try. My siblings and father are generally obnoxious about it. A few people at work know but my crew mate dosent. He spends his weekends chasing foxes with packs of dogs and sometimes blowing birds out of the sky with guns, he seems to live on meat,bread and cheese only and has had several anti vegetarian and anti vegan rants this year unaware he was sitting next to one. He refers to veggies as bleeding heart liberal animal rights terrorists. I have to spend 12 hrs or more per shift stuck in a van with him, I don't think I could deal with the relentless pisstaking and potentially worse if he found out I am one of the ones he hates.
On and off in terms of diet - I found it a good way to force myself to eat healthier stuff, and it made shopping / cooking a bit more interesting. I'll often crack and buy bacon once in a while at home, or if friends are going out for a meal I'll not be fussy and will happily scoff a burger 🙂
It's a shame that a moderator on here is the one being the biggest prat on this thread
You might want to read my posts again.
Thats impressive hellz that someone you spend half your life with doesn't even notice or engage with you to not know something as simple as that. Mind you he does sound a bit of a nob.
Liver's horrible, can't understand why all you meat eaters eat liver, it's rank!
No it isn't and it goes well with bacon.
There seems to have been a bit of an increase in popularity recently and I've no complaints about that.
Nice to know that you have no complaints about it. 🙄
I've been vegan for almost 6 years now. Sometimes it's a bit of a pain when going out for meals but a lot of places especially chains are getting very good at catering for different diets.
it can be very tempting to feast on vegan junk food which is often packed with sugar or fats. I was struggling for a few years with an element of my fitness and I thought it was because of my diet actually was because I need anot inhaler when I do sport.
I wish more people would be Vegan.
There'd be more meat for others who aren't.
This and every other veggie/vegan thread presented in another format: (switch the word 'vegan' for 'cyclist')
Annoying vegan played by Carlton Reid.
Annoyed/perplexed/confused/demanding/sarcastic/uninformed meat-eating comic played by Christopher Biggins.
Peanut gallery played by and with themselves.
some vegans are just *****
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/remembrance-day-guildford-police-remove-12162676
some [s]vegans[/s] people are just *****
My wife and I have been vegan 5 years and were long term veggie before that. I make a point of not arguing about it though especially on the internet!
Why not try it for a month, you might like it 🙂
Why not try it for a month, you might like it
Part of all my meals is vegan.
I'm a rabid carnivore and will try hard to protect that, and I love a bit of piss taking banter with my veggie and vegan chums.
However vegans are proof positive that we do not need to eat meat at all. I admire them for their stance, persistence, culinary inventiveness (had many delicious vegan meals), and patience in the face of being baited. There are many incredibly fit and healthy vegans.
In the light of this proof, we meat eaters should accept that we do it for pleasure, and embrace that, rather than trying to come up with some spurious moralising about how carnivorism is necessary. For me it is enough that we enjoy it, that makes it necessary enough. I don't see proposals to ban Lions or Hyenas from eating meat.
No theotherjonv I won't abstract my comment about the fact people can be **** but thanks for reporting my post.
31 years, and I can be a right **** if I want to.
I found a way to combat the agressive meat eaters. Simply slay their beloved pet in front of them and tell them to eat it! Works every time! 😉
Simply slay their beloved pet in front of them and tell them to eat it! Works every time!
So killing animals for food is wrong, but fine for proving a point? 😀
I asked for it to be corrected because you're wrong to [u]correct[/u] my post in this case. If you'd have posted 'some people are arses' without correcting my statement I'd have agreed, but you used the commonly accepted 'FTFY' styling that is used on here to correct people. My statement is correct and relevant to this discussion about vegans and a perceived higher morality.
Equally if I'd posted 'all vegans are arses' or even just 'vegans are arses' then I'd accept correcting.
Also - I reported it to give you a chance to correct it offline without resorting to calling out on line. But thanks for doing that anyway 🙄
And by the way I asked for you to REtract it, not abstract it.
You may be a moderator, but that doesn't mean you aren't subject to the same rules as the rest of us on here and you're behaving like a bit of a nob here imho.
I found a way to combat the agressive meat eaters. Simply slay their beloved pet in front of them and tell them to eat it! Works every time!
I asked for it to be corrected because you're wrong to correct my post in this case. If you'd have posted 'some people are arses' without correcting my statement I'd have agreed, but you used the commonly accepted 'FTFY' styling that is used on here to correct people. My statement is correct and relevant to this discussion about vegans and a perceived higher morality.
I corrected it as she's a person campaigning at the wrong time, about animal rights, the fact it happens to fit into a vegan thread is meaningless.
I used abstract instead retract as I'm dyslexic and get words mixed up.
re the quorn thing- they brought out a couple of vegan products earlier this year, and have said they're planning on expanding their vegan range.
they're not the best, but generally easy to find in shops and their stance seems to have forced other brands/companies to put more effort in, so recently you've got most of the major supermarkets bringing out their own brand ranges of vegan products (notably tesco and sainsburys have their own ranges of non-dairy cheese alternatives made predominantly from coconut, sainsburys have removed the egg from their own brand veggie "meat" balls and veggie burgers, loads of coconut milk based yoghurts etc etc). whilst these types of products are probably not a good idea to rely on, they're quite handy to have in for those days you're short on prep/cooking time i find.
anyway, shout out to all the "why do you vegans eat things that are made to look/taste like meat/cheese?", you're all super fun!
no, in this case she's a vegan first and foremost. That doesn't need correcting to 'people' - her militant veganism is the point. And it's highly relevant in a thread about whether vegans are forcing their vegan values onto meat-eaters or vice versa.
Still wish you'd kept this offline, as I tried to, though.
I changed it to people as I've stated she's a person that's all there is to it.
I brought the issue online as it would have made no sense for me to change my post because you wanted me to, so I opened it hear as part of the discussion on this thread.
I don't believe vegans force beliefs on anyone, the same as I don't believe none vegans perceive them as having high moralities or every non vegan drills vegans on their beliefs. There's some people that do these on either side but that's because people behave differently no matter if their vegan, veggid, omnivore or freegan.
Just like mods can sometimes be a prat or a nob.
People who choose to be vegan, then go about pissing everyone off and evangelising in peoples faces and generally being unpleasant do not represent me. I am vegan because I choose to be, based upon my own ethics and principles. Most people are not vegan, because they like meat or cheese or whatever.
When you come on a thread and start pointing to the most extreme examples of vegan fascism it does appear that you are trying to bait people.
I could give you a list of pretty disgusting people who kill and eat animals, but that's not really the point now, is it?
slowoldman - Member
Liver's horrible, can't understand why all you meat eaters eat liver, it's rank!No it isn't and it goes well with bacon.
Slowoldman, that was kind of the point I was making, hence the wink at the end of it.
Eat what you like, I don't give a shit, but I DO give a shit about what I eat. Anyone who struggles with that concept is a bit weird really, on either side of the fence.
Yeah Fin25 puts it better.
When you come on a thread and start pointing to the most extreme examples of vegan fascism it does appear that you are trying to bait people.
Not my intention. I thought it was relevant in a debate about whether some vegans force their views onto meat eaters and v/v. That's why I said SOME.
I could give you a list of pretty disgusting people who kill and eat animals, but that's not really the point now, is it?
But this wasn't about whether there are disgusting people who kill and eat animals (which there are, no dispute), it was about this particular person for her hijacking yesterday of one of the nations most 'sacred' traditions to push her beliefs.
Some Vegans are *****. I said it again. Particularly that one. That, as a statement, does not need correcting.
Vegans/vegetarians, answer me this - Quorn. Why?? Why eat a (poor) meat substitute??
Why eat chicken burgers, when they're just a poor beef substitute?
Is she more of a **** than the people who want to ride around the countryside watching packs of abused dogs ripping wild animals to bits?
Is she more of a **** than the people who committed all these crimes?
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/28/fsa-4000-breaches-animal-welfare-laws-uk-abattoirs-two-years ]4000 breaches of animal welfare laws[/url]
Is she more of a **** than this guy?
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Most people who eat meat would be horrified to be associated with these sorts of people based purely on them having only one thing in common.
So carry on, lets keep playing **** bingo, I bet you'll run out of ****s before I do.
No. But they didn't turn up to the remembrance day service yesterday and start shouting about how great killing lions was.
Oooh a nice lion chop.
I like a lot of vegan food, particularly some of the sweets as they often avoid refined sugar, my local cycling cafe has a vegan chef who makes energy bars and 'vegan twix bars' with orange and turmeric. Sounds horrible tastes great.
If they make that choice then I'm not going to try to convince them otherwise. It's the token vegetarians I don't like, often they just eat frozen quorn/fake sausages and other sugar/fat laden prepared foods.
In short anyone who thinks carefully about what they eat and where it comes from gets a thumbs up. I' eat a lot of game as that's how I was brought up. Very much a you kill it, you eat it policy.
But our life choices will always have some impact on other animals, if a vegan walks out the door they are using infrastructure that has an impact on plants and animals. Even that door they opened was once a living ecosystem.
If I meet a bleating on vegan I just ask them when they are going to stop impacting on the environment and do the decent thing? They just have to decide if they are going to be turned to ash first as that's better for the soil.
No. But they didn't turn up to the remembrance day service yesterday and start shouting about how great killing lions was.
So do what you like, be as cruel as you like, just don't talk about it near the war memorial?
Seriously?
Not excusing the particular lady's behaviour, it is obviously not a cool thing to do, maybe she needs some psychiatric help or counselling or something.
Or maybe she feels that that's the only forum she's got.
After all, the fox hunters have the government's ear.
The shonky slaughterhouses keep getting away with it, there's no real sanctions for the crimes they commit.
Oh, and the last guy, well, who's behaviour caused more outrage internationally, his or the annoying local vegan shouty lady?
Some meat eaters really are ****s!
Thanks Mr Smith, I've bagged a few bingo squares from Page 1 😉
In short anyone who thinks carefully about what they eat and where it comes from gets a thumbs up. I' eat a lot of game as that's how I was brought up. Very much a you kill it, you eat it policy.
Pretty much where I'm coming from (as a vegetarian of, oh, 25 years or more). With the caveat that I couldn't give a tuppenny toss what anyone else eats; I've a lot more respect for the omnivores who are happy about their meat comes from and would cheerfully hunt / prep their own meat, than the ones who want someone else to do all the wetwork and can only cope with it when it's unrecognisable in handy shrink-wrapped containers. I was always squeamish about it, which was one of my primary reasons for going veggie in the first place.
As for Retractiongate, it's certainly [i]true [/i]to say "some vegans are arseholes," but more [i]correct [/i]to say "some people are arseholes." The difference being that the former implies that some vegans have some sort of extra inherent arseholeness that differs from the rest of society, which is disingenuous. Some vegans [i]are[/i] arseholes; so are some meat-eaters, some cyclists, some lesbians, some Frenchmen, some footballers, some [insert any other demographic you like really]. Can we put this to bed now, it's getting increasingly tedious.
More than happy to. Never wanted it in public anyway.
aye in order to care for the environment and GAS one must commit suicide everything else is pointless.If I meet a bleating on vegan I just ask them when they are going to stop impacting on the environment and do the decent thing? They just have to decide if they are going to be turned to ash first as that's better for the soil.
Its a powerful and well thought out argument FROWNS
there is no way I could not argue for an entire month on the internet 😉I make a point of not arguing about it though especially on the internet!Why not try it for a month, you might like i
THISIn the light of this proof, we meat eaters should accept that we do it for pleasure, and embrace that, rather than trying to come up with some spurious moralising about how carnivorism is necessary. For me it is enough that we enjoy it, that makes it necessary enough
TBH i know more want to hear a lecture on how nice meat is - you think i never get them - than you do about how meat is murder. I also have more respect for folk who will kill it themself.
The only real thing I have an issue with is that a number of meat eaters would not be prepared to raise and then kill animals for food. I was one of them so I stopped eating it.
I dont really care what others do or what they eat but meat eaters eat it because its tasty and that requires you to kill things capable of feeling pain and suffering. If you are morally comfortable with this choice then crack on. I am not so I dont.
I dont really get why so many folk care what other think
IME there are as many vegans who do as meat eaters as both sides will receive lectures from the other side
I once got accused of child abuse for raising my kids vegan[ real world not internet]. Its not the sort of argument that makes you reconsider your views it makes you think that person is a dick
Vegans are equally capable of stupid arguments that make meat eaters think they are dicks
I once got accused of child abuse for raising my kids vegan[ real world not internet]. Its not the sort of argument that makes you reconsider your views it makes you think that person is a dick
Vegans are equally capable of stupid arguments that make meat eaters think they are dicks
I guess you won't be moving to Italy.
I dont really care what others do or what they eat but meat eaters eat it because its tasty and that requires you to kill things. If you are morally comfortable with this choice then crack on. I am not so I dont.
Yup that's my view but obviously on the side if I eat meat.
I did use to shoot game, raised pheasants too and control vermin. I then sold my guns as I had a young family and didn't have the time any more. As time has gone on I've questioned my morals behind what I did and despite enjoying working the dogs and the 'sport' it was wrong. I now see little need for the sport of pheasant shooting and the likes.