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It's my belief that in 300 years we'll look back at how we take advantage of animals now very much in the same way we look back at humanity's use of slavery for millennia today.
Or we may be eating Soylent Green.
Many humans demonstrate speciesism in a lot of their decision making and judgements (how they treat their own dog or expect others to treat theirs and what they are prepared to accept to happen to a pig in order to have a cheap bacon sarnie for example)
This just popped up on Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/clarkee.co.uk/post/3lw6p3xx4ck2l
all of you? I didn’t realise there was an entrance exam - is it like first communion? Do you need to dress up? Because I’ve definitely met a few “vegans” who are entirely unaware of where their food comes from, how it got produced or who owns the businesses selling them their diet but are happy to lecture others about their food choices. I’ve no issue with anyone making decisions about either including or excluding foods from their diet on health, ethical, moral or environmental grounds. But I think it’s perfectly reasonable for anyone to challenge a “mung bean concentrate” grown in Asia, shipped round the world, highly processed with multiple additives to look/taste like an animal by product to say “is that better?”, “would it be healthier not having it at all?”, “who is profiteering from people trying to do the right thing?”, “are the farmers paid fairly?”, “would getting some genuine free range eggs from a small farm be a good balance?”, and “does this make vegan food providers lazy about providing actually better options?”.
i only clicked this link because i thought someone had actually started making an egg with a white and a yolk. I am disappointed.
Oat (and Soy, Almond etc) milk is not marketed as milk because there are rules on what you can call milk. That might sound silly but if the rule was wet white stuff then Nestle, Coke etc would have found some synthetic milk to market as milk (perhaps blended with cows milk) to exploit the population. Same reason there’s minimum meat content to call something a pork sausage, why whisky has to be three yrs old at least etc. I’m sure that if someone started marking “plant” products because they were produced in a food processing plant but they contained animal derivatives that people would be upset. It’s not a conspiracy to outlaw other white liquids it’s a rule to protect the quality and integrity of the mainstream one.
Or we may be eating Soylent Green.
Which involves the following processes :
Corpse Treatment: Bodies are processed to remove hair and other external features.
Steam Bath: A steam bath is used to sterilize the remains.
Skinning: The skin is removed from the corpse.
Meat and Fat Extraction: The meat and fat are separated from the bones.
Bone Grinding: The bones are ground down to be used as a supplement in the final product.
Slime Creation: Two types of "slime" are created: pink slime (which uses heat and centrifugal force to separate meat from fat) and white slime (which involves grinding the leftovers and sieving them).
Colouring: Green food colouring is added to the mixture.
Condensing: The final product is condensed into wafers.
So definitely "ultra processed" although possibly nutritional and tasty
Ah sound a bit like Mechanically Separated Meat.
i only clicked this link because i thought someone had actually started making an egg with a white and a yolk. I am disappointed.
Well just hold on there. Home made Vegan hard boiled eggs
I'm always a bit confused as to why vegetarians/vegans would want to make something that looks like an animal product.
I'm always a bit confused as to why vegetarians/vegans would want to make something that looks like an animal product.
That’s always baffled me too. Mind you, the vegans I know - and I know quite a few - seem to exist on a diet largely consisting of chips.
I suppose this helps them get one step nearer to a crap version of the holy grail….
Because I’ve definitely met a few “vegans” who are entirely unaware of where their food comes from, how it got produced or who owns the businesses selling them their diet but are happy to lecture others about their food choices.
If you started a list of people matching that description with vegans (or "vegans"🤷♂️) in one column and meat-eaters in the next, the second column would be considerably longer than the first. Even shown as a percentage and only measuring the "happy to lecture others about their food choices" metric I expect they'd outstrip the vegans by some margin.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable for anyone to challenge a “mung bean concentrate”
I think it’s perfectly reasonable for anyone to challenge a "mung bean concentrate." What's less reasonable is to have already come to your conclusions before starting your investigation.
It’s not a conspiracy to outlaw other white liquids it’s a rule to protect the quality and integrity of the mainstream one.
These are not mutually exclusive scenarios. Remind me, what's the minimum concentration of cows' milk required in goats' milk? We can readily regulate what we're allowed to call without further qualification "milk," we did it with chocolate. Similarly yes, "pork sausages" absolutely should contain a clearly defined minimum amount of pork, but "sausages" can be whatever the heck you like. (You're wrong about whiskey, but that's a longer tangent.)
As for plant-based items containing meat, whataboutery aside, anyone with a restrictive diet or allergies is accustomed to checking the labelling on anything new before purchasing. Labelling in the UK is pretty tight (probably that meddling EU again), you can pick up say a can labelled "baked beans" and be pretty confident that it doesn't contain meat and in any case most would have a green (V) on the front to confirm this. The same is not always true of other locales, shopping in the US it'd be commonplace to pick up a can of beans and find it had bits of bacon in.
I'm always a bit confused as to why vegetarians/vegans would want to make something that looks like an animal product.
I'm a bit confused at your confusion when it's been explained Every. Single. Damn. Time. this conversation comes up.
I was going to ask a practical question at this point about how many mungbean eggs a French Vegan has for their breakfast, but the joke’s a non-starter as I doubt such a thing exists.
Edit: French Vegans, that is, not mungbean ‘eggs’.
Has anyone actually tried them/it?
Mungbean eggs, that is, not French Vegans
I'm a bit confused at your confusion when it's been explained Every. Single. Damn. Time. this conversation comes up.
I must have been out. I thought making something look like a hard boiled egg when you wouldn't touch a real egg seemed particularly weird.
I'm always a bit confused as to why vegetarians/vegans would want to make something that looks like an animal product.
Vegetarians and vegans may choose to create or consume products that resemble animal products for a few key reasons:familiarity, convenience, and the desire to make the transition to a plant-based diet easier. It's not necessarily about "craving" meat, but rather enjoying the familiar flavors and textures while avoiding the ethical and environmental concerns associated with animal agriculture
It's not necessarily about "craving" meat
I didn't suggest it was.
but rather enjoying the familiar flavors and textures while avoiding the ethical and environmental concerns associated with animal agriculture
I bet those hard boiled eggs taste jut like the real thing.
Honestly I just don't get it. I eat quite a lot of vegetarian meals, I'm down to meat probably once or twice a week but I don't try to make my veggie stuff look like animal products.
It’s the terminal lack of imagination that concerns me.
I mean if you’re creating completely mental stuff from scratch, egg-like substances from mungbeans, for example, then you’ve got a clean sheet of paper. Go mad! Make the ultra-processed shit you’re eating bright pink and shaped like an alien!
D-
Must try harder
Alternatively just have some chips
Do we have enough arable land ?. would the weather be kind enough not to destroy large swathes of crops, possibly leading to a bit of a famine, which tbf when it comes to barmy weather, the UK fairly tops the
Farmers are already suffering from much lower yields due to the very low rainfall this year. This will affect all sorts of other things in the food chain - cereals and other crops which are grown to feed things like chickens, cattle through the winter as a supplement, means that costs to the consumers are likely to be higher next year.
And as chickens are fed grain, surely their eggs ought to be vegetarian…