[Closed] Vaping and driving

Vaping makes less "smoke" than smoking. Banning mobile phones seems to have made no difference

Vaping makes less "smoke" than smoking.

And that's a genuine #jambyfact

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Jamba do you have any real world experience or are you locked in a room just regurgitating stuff you read on the interweb?

You really want to change your sources!

Vaping makes less "smoke" than smoking. Banning mobile phones seems to have made no difference

OK, so I've only seen one person daft enough to do it. As he was driving towards me he created his own cumulonimbus and disappeared into it!

It's good practice for driving in foggy conditions.

Whilst we're at it, Lets ban driving in fog, mist, rain, snow and/or anything else that might even slightly impair vision whilst driving.

I saw a guy the other day smoking a big sherlock holmes type vape thing , Holy s--- you should of seen the smoke/vapour.

It was like an old steam train ,just like that tool from vapenation. Definatly not for driving.

I'm pretty sure the density of the vapour produced by some of these super vapers is somewhat higher than even the thickest natural fog, so that's a daft thing to say. I've seen some cars in the city driving down the road doing very realistic Thonas the Tank engine impressions out of a cracked open drivers window, so I dread to think what the visibility is like inside the vehicle. It's a handheld distraction anyway, so there's existing legislation that the police could use if they wanted to.

There are degrees of vaping, mine produces less visible 'smoke' than cigarette would but you do see more powerful ones in use. I guess it's something that, like mobiles, comes down to common sense. Yeah...that's not too common. Perhaps what we need though are less people calling for things to be banned so we can all use our brains a little more?

Whilst we're at it, Lets ban driving in fog, mist, rain, snow and/or anything else that might even slightly impair vision whilst driving.

Not wearing your glasses for seeing at distance impairs visions. I would say to choose not to is reckless.

It amazes me how many cherry flavoured clouds I ride through on my way to and from work.
I once had a lady following me down a road and she would literally disappear in the car until the smoke cleared. God knows how she could see where she was going if I couldn't see her.

Some of you do need to think a little before getting yourselves wound up !

Mrs B is a smoker and vaper. She can vape very discretely including in places not allowed like on aeroplanes. Its possible to blow the smoke sideways you know, its not compulsory to fill your field of vision or indeed make much smoke at all as per when we are flying. Also the vaping smole doesn't make the car smell so even blessed in my car 😉

Edit: I see @join just posted much the same

And I'd also argue that whilst you still have the odd idiot on their mobile the vast majority of people don't any more. So I'd suggest that it has made a difference actually.

If I'm alongside a particularly pretty lady I immediately fill the cab with a cloud of funk but she can't see me checking her out. Win.

Out of interest.....would you lot prefer smokers?

Ive been vaping for 1.5 years now and yes....I need to quit that too. But compared to smoking I feel a thousand times better. Yes, the odd 'cloud chaser's or person who thinks that just because it's not specifically banned somewhere they can do it in your face is annoying...they annoy me too, but surely it's a step forward? Your complaining of cherry smells ffs.....bigger picture time perhaps?

I [i]think[/i] the objections on this thread are limited to the odd idiot who vapes with something that could double for the dry ice generator at a west end production of starlight express whilst driving, rather than broader objections to gaping generally. That's my grumble anyway. Vaping is, generally, much less antisocial than fagging, it has to be said.

Those idiots are everywhere though, in every walk of life. I suspect it's more a matter of perception. Fog looks worse from outside

She can vape very discretely including in places not allowed like on aeroplanes

Heaven knows what I'll do of they install e-cig vapour detectors in the loos. It's only a matter of time till the self-righteous demand it. 🙁

I'm a vaper, and a cloud chaser at that, I vape on aircraft, that a I'm working on and b I'm flying in, there is a way to vape on aircraft that is undetectable. And I also vape whilst driving. You see a car has a least 2 windows that you can open, crack one of them and it disperses better than normal fag smoke. Traffic lights are an issue, but with constant airflow no bother.

there is a way to vape on aircraft that is undetectable

Sssh. Don't tell them that.

FFS if you cannot go a few hours without nicotine then wear a patch and chew some gum. Do not create a potentially dangerous situation by emitting clouds of noxious fumes.

If a passenger or crew member sees smoke then a dangerous situation could occur even if it is relatively harmless.

I think a lifetime ban from the airline would be reasonable and proportionate in these cases 😀

Yep, get it wrong and get what looks like a lovely cloud of smoke coming out from under the door/curtains and see the panic.
Can you not manage a few hours without your drug stick?

Whilst we're at it, Lets ban driving in fog, mist, rain, snow and/or anything else that might even slightly impair vision whilst driving.

Out of interest.....would you lot prefer smokers?

Can you not manage a few hours without your drug stick?

No. Why do you think Nicotine is called a drug? I wait till it's dispersed before leaving the loo. It normally has by the time I've wiped the wee off the edge of the sink. And if it hasn't, the next occupant gets a nice menthol vanilla fragrance. They should be thankful really.

your wee smells of menthol vanilla

I'm heavily in demand at the local watersports club.

Eternal gratitude when the plane gets landed in the wrong country...
Try patches or gum rather than things that are specifically banned. I guess the first time you find the alarm going off will tell you it's been upgraded.

And if it hasn't, the next occupant gets [s]a nice menthol vanilla fragrance.[/s][b]your left over nicotine [/b]

Wow. Someone reported me for that?

Big Meh.

'vape' on a plane and you deserve all the hatred and vitriol that can be mustered.

@junkyard

A better analogy might be left the **** alone rather than stabbed

How do you know you got reported?

I guess the first time you find the alarm going off will tell you it's been upgraded.

Nah, they'll let us know as soon as the alarms have been upgraded. No worries there. Then I'll use the secret no-visible-vapour technique.

A nice email from teh modz.

If she were to 'vape' on a plane sitting next me I'd punch her in the face.

Better?

Shoes a bit tight this evening Flashy? You ok Hun?

I wonder how many of the people complaining about vaping drive diesels....

This is just like an old fashioned smoking thread. Fight 😀

Some good advice here...
https://www.halocigs.com/blog/four-reasons-not-stealth-vape-on-a-plane/

I wonder how many of the people complaining about vaping drive diesels

Driving diesels yes not the best but neither impare your vision or get planes diverted.
What if the smoker was driving a diesel? (rhetorical wgaf really)

Wow - you even went googling for something. 😆

I'll give that a read* in the morning.

(*I won't really...unless I'm stuck in slow moving traffic having a vape and not able to see much else and remember** it.)

**I probably won't.

Just wanted to see what the fines were dd, it's not going to be cheap.

Just to state, for clarity's sake, I don't disagree with the initial sentiment of the thread.....

The general anti-vaping vibe does however grind.

Vaping on a plane is bad

Vaping where not allowed is bad

Bitching about people vaping in public places where smoking is allowed makes you a tool

Bitching about people vaping in public places where smoking is allowed makes you a tool

I don't think anyone has done that. What people HAVE bitched about are people who vape EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS in their cars WHILST DRIVING. I highlighted the important parts.

Personally I don't otherwise care if people choose to vape and don't particularly object as opposed to smoking.

And I drive a diesel 😆

The law cannot be expected to deal with idocy, it is the sine qua non of the human condition.

@mike Fines for vaping - happy to see a single instance where anyone has ever been fined a penny. "Sorry I thought it was allowed, I'll stop now". Also that speaks of the US whats the law everywhere else. They don't usually fine people when they have to divert the aircraft to kick you off like the squezy jet flight from Glasgow over the weekend

There are much more obnoxious (and flamable) gasses coning out of the other passengers. Mrs B has happily vaped on flights in her seat and no one even notices, you can do it with pretty much zero vapour. I would imagine a detector sensitive enough for valing would go off all the time with false readings - its really just steam and not smoke at all

@mike Fines for vaping - happy to see a single instance where anyone has ever been fined a penny. "Sorry I thought it was allowed, I'll stop now". Also that speaks of the US whats the law everywhere else. They don't usually fine people when they have to divert the aircraft to kick you off like the squezy jet flight from Glasgow over the weekend

There are much more obnoxious (and flamable) gasses coning out of the other passengers

its really just steam and not smoke at all

Here’s a list of airlines that could confirm they are banned. If you do decide to travel with them rest assured you’re not breaking any law, although the airline staff may ask to look after them for you or deny you access to the plane.

Air China
Air Canada
All Nippon Airways
American
American West Airlines
British Airways
China Southern
Continental
Delta
EasyJet
Emirates
Iberia
Japan
KLM
Korean Air
Lufthansa
Malaysia Airlines
Northwest
Quantas
SAS
Saudi Airlines
Southwest
Thai airlines
United
US Airways
Virgin Atlantic
Reasons for bans range from airline to airline. Some had specific rules in place regarding e-cigarettes, allowing you to carry them on board but not be used.

I have no issues with people vaping.

However, if it's possible to vape with little or no smoke while on a plane, why can that not be done while driving? Is it some kind of fashion thing to produce lots of smoke (serious question)??

I thought this thread was going to be about this video:

see http://imgur.com/0LdwqeJ

Some vaporisors are a bit silly, letting off great plumes..
Mine is a normal one i use to stop smoking, it lets off less 'fog' than a cigarette does smoke, it's not thick and it disperses in about a second.

There does seem to be a trend in silly ones though, amongst some people, that let off massive clouds of the stuff.. I think that's what the op is referring to, and I'd agree that kind in a car is dangerous due to possibly impaired vision.

Partially really powerful device, partially the mixture used in it, some vaping liquid is designed to release a more dense vapour.

Taking on the [s]achingly predictable self-righteous, whiny bleating[/s] perfectly legitimate and understandable concerns of the [s]usual sanctimonious bedwetters[/s] concerned citizens of STW, I've now forsaken vaping in the car, and have instead switched to a crack pipe, which produces far less smoke

Is it some kind of fashion thing to produce lots of smoke

Yep. I believe they call themselves "cloud chasers". Some modify the device or concoct their own e-liquids to produce as much "smoke" as possible.

"Sorry I thought it was allowed, I'll stop now"

its really just steam and not smoke at all

Vaping is clearly better than smoking but this sort of sophist arguments/BS is right up there with the arguments about passive smoking and before that when folk were denying fags caused cancer.

Mine is a normal one i use to stop smoking,

I inject pure nicotine into my eyeballs first thing in the morning nowadays, so that for the rest of the day my behaviour doesn't cause anyone [s]to piddle their nickers with furious indignation[/s] offence.

With Gods help I will one day overcome this debilitating addiction.

Amen brothers and sisters

so that for the rest of the day my behaviour doesn't cause anyone to piss their nickers with furious indignation offence to anyone.

lol

Do you have one of the massive smoke pipes? Do you reckon obscuring your vision while driving is a good idea?
Or have you just not had your fix yet?

I am not entirely sure you have though i can see the argument. IMHO you have changed the method by which you are addicted to nicotine rather than you have "stopped".

And that's always been the surprising thing to me. People seem to switch to vaping and see it as having quit smoking. Yet they're still doing it many years later?

When I quit smoking, before e-cigs were available, the aim was to be able to live without the whole package. Smoking, nicoteine, the habit of holding something etc. It was bloody hard, but I had a sense of achievement for properly quitting. Staying on the e-cigs would always seem like a halfway house for me.

I'm not judging, as I may have have done the same if fancy vape cannons were available 10 years ago, but does seem odd.

Just to add an extra element in - I never ever used to smoke in the car, as cars that people smoke in are beyond mingin!!

But I'll happily vape away in the outside lane of the M60, like a Hamlet commercial from the 1970's, and my car then smells of cherry menthol, which is lovely

So stick that in your pipe, and..... oh....

Not judging either just not sure you can say you have "stopped"

With Gods help I will one day overcome this debilitating addiction

Its really up to you what you do but it is strange to see folk addicted to drugs acting in this way...accepting the problem is always the first step...we are here for you brother..you are in a safe place...let out your hurt...

FWIW when I smoked I considered it a hobby and would have reacted as you are.

They've had 7 or 8 call outs this year at work for false alarms in the bogs.

From people vaping on the crapper.
And that's only in the offices that they've finished updating (Shiny new detectors, that can detect the particulates in the steam), so probably only 50 or 60 crappers on the entire site. (There are ~14000 people on site).

No idea what it's going to get like when they finish updating the place.

They'll have to start sacking people again, like they did when they banned smoking in the buildings (mid 70s) and on site (late 90s).

Yep. I believe they call themselves "cloud chasers". Some modify the device or concoct their own e-liquids to produce as much "smoke" as possible.

I believe there is also now competitive vaping sometimes with considerable prize money on offer. Each to their own. 🙂

binners

But I'll happily vape away in the outside lane of the M60, like a Hamlet commercial from the 1970's, and my car then smells of cherry menthol, which is lovely

So stick that in your pipe, and..... oh....

[i]E-Cig explodes in drivers face causing twenty car pile up on the M60....... [/i]

Yeah, maybe don't use those things while driving.

Abso-bloody-lutely! Ban everything! And sack anyone who transgresses! In fact... lets reintroduce capital punishment for everything I don't like!

And... you've all got to get your hair cut like this....

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The addicts are getting tetchy 🙂

indeed objecting to drug addiction being fed in a dangerous way is very much like wanting to turn the country into North Korea

Christ how ranty would you be if you had not fed the addiction today 😯

Your rage spree would make dear leader look like a cuddly teddy bear 😉

Quick, Binners. Have a bang on your vape bazooka, it'll settle your nerves.

...or maybe stop you being quite so binary 😀

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. (There are ~14000 people on site).
No idea what it's going to get like when they finish updating the place.
They'll have to start sacking people again, like they did when they banned smoking in the buildings (mid 70s) and on site (late 90s).

E-Cig explodes in drivers face causing twenty car pile up on the M60.......

Yeah, maybe don't use those things while driving.

Accidents like this are rare when the devices are used properly and people pay attention to what they are doing with the batteries. A couple of the recent headlines about battery explosions have all been down to the user. For Example:

The lady in the pub in North Yorkshire that made the news, device plugged into a iPad charger, more powerful than the standard USB chargers in use and consequently the battery failed explosively.

Lad in the US with exploding batteries in his pocket, he had 2 18650 Lithium batteries loose in his pocket with keys and change, I don't really need to say much about that.

The lady in the pub in North Yorkshire that made the news, device plugged into a iPad charger, more powerful than the standard USB chargers in use and consequently the battery failed explosively.

Is that really her fault, tho?

The device should have had an overcharge protection circuit, and only draw the power it needs like every other piece of consumer electronics.

Petrochem? Or a place about that size in W Cumbria? The latter certainly has good reasons for you not shoving stuff in your gob in many areas

Not judging either just not sure you can say you have "stopped"

Well if you stopped smoking and taken up vaping, you have still stopped smoking. Whilst sharing some outward signs, they are very different. You can quibble over whether someone has given up nicotine, but quite a few vapers reduce the amount of nicotine in their juice to zero, so they have given up that as well.

The important thing to remember is that cigarettes contained lots of harmful byproducts when smoked, nicotine is quite a long way down the list.

End of the day - its a distraction just as smoking is.
Answer is NO
Quite simple really.
Eating an apple is illegal
Drinking something is illegal
Vaping should be

Looks like we have some Premier members who vape 😀

Eating an apple is illegal
Drinking something is illegal

Not specifically they are not, however there is a potential punishment of failing to drive with due care and attention. It is therefore a matter of how the individual activity affects your ability to drive reasonably and safely on the roads. The same law would apply to vaping.

Tell that to the woman who was prosecuted for eating an apple a few years back.
Whilst sat in stationary traffic due to an accident.
With her engine off.
Because the force concerned went to the letter of the law.
Another was fined for drinking from a bottle of water.
They changed it recently to include smoking - it should also include vaping - period.

Tell that to the woman who was prosecuted for eating an apple a few years back.

She was done for "failing to drive with due care and attention" as she was holding an apple, there is an important difference and one that would allow for someone who is vaping to be prosecuted if their vaping caused them to drive without due care and attention. I don't think a specific law was made about smoking, other than the ban on smoking while under 18s are in the car.

Is that really her fault, tho?

The device should have had an overcharge protection circuit, and only draw the power it needs like every other piece of consumer electronics.

True, the device should have, but you can still damage batteries by using incorrect chargers even if the device has protection. You can find stories of iPhones being damaged because people plug them into an iPad charger "because it charges faster", I can damage my laptop battery by using a charger with a different output.

I would still say it was her fault. Protection doesn't mean we should ignore the warnings on devices that state "Use only with the supplied charger", to do so puts the onus on us should something happen.

Smoking was specifically added to the list of activities under which eating, drinking, etc are prosecuted.
I know what she was prosecuted for mefty - the fact was she wasn't even moving so not actually driving either. Therefore the "offence" wasn't an offence.
Where the "offence" she committed occurred was debated all over the national press.

As far as vaping is concerned - it definitely should be illegal to do in a vehicle.
Just think about the actual act of vaping - picking the device up, etc. Thats assuming it was on the seat - what if its in a pocket?
Its a distraction whatever way you look at it.

Everytime I see a vaper they look like they are sucking on a robot cock.

Arguing with addicts about their addiction, is not going to end well.

Perhaps what we need though are less people calling for things to be banned so we can all use our brains a little more?

Just think about the actual act of vaping - picking the device up, etc.

Didn't some of the quit smoking pharma companies do some nicotine inhaler sticks? no smoke at all afaik. How come those didn't take off as as vaping has?

no smoke at all afaik. How come those didn't take off as as vaping has?

Like most of the quit smoking aids back in the day, they all tasted like shit.

Now you can have any flavour, smoke, device you can choose.