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Us media now confirming it was a missle
Let's stick with the word "alleging".
So do we think that all the big bits of plane have now been squashed into a cube down at the local car crushers?
Whats the betting that the voice data recorder and black box data is 'unfortunately corrupted'?
Iran will always say this was an engine failure while the rest of the world knows better. Their reprisals against the US haven't really come to much have they? 50 Iranians crushed at the funeral and a plane full of innocent people killed by their own army.
heir reprisals against the US haven’t really come to much have they?
the reprisals will continue for a long time to come, with continued support for proxies across the middle east & recruitment material jihadis closer to us
Wonder how much of it all filters through to ordinary Iranians, who were told that the reprisals killed 80 americans?
Has the regime have been destabilised by it all, which I imagine is Americas lomg term goal
& the Narwhal tusk guy agrees with me too
Well it sounds like the cats out the bag now.
Iran now admitting what the west have alleged for a couple of days now.
I do think the video of a missile shooting the plane down was a bit of a give away! Not sure they would have admitted it so quickly if this hadn’t surfaced...
I think admiting it was the only course of action. Very sad affair,
Surprised they admitted it. They could’ve just blankly denied it like the Russians & the shoot down of the Malaysian flight. Doesn’t matter if anyone really believes them. Internal politics perhaps?
Surprised they admitted it. They could’ve just blankly denied it like the Russians & the shoot down of the Malaysian flight. Doesn’t matter if anyone really believes them. Internal politics perhaps?
De-escalation. Rather urgent!
They more or less blamed the Americans for the initial action (killing the General) and said that as tensions were so high because of that, mistakes were made.
It gives all sides a very good reason to step away from the tit-for-tat violence.
Iran more ‘grown up’ than Russia shocker.
Iran will always say this was an engine failure
@sharkbait wins the mystic mogg award for this week!
Very surprising admission; but welcome.
Forgive the ignorance.... I believe this may be the place I have been searching for to educate my cavernous world politics omissions.... But.....
Why do America get to hang out in Iran extracting oil and demanding things of them.... If Iranians were in America extracting minerals would they not be retaliating...? And why do we get to have a nuclear arsenel but Iran can't? Who put us in charge? I'm vaguely aware of a dodgy regime problem but I just don't get why its not OK for middle Eastern countries to retaliate in their own country.
Surely its clearly all about oil no? I reckon I'd rather see Iran have a nuclear arsenel than trump have one. Are we just pathetically towing the line to get some one sided trade deal where we get humped by a big country which doesn't need our trade....?! Argh so many questions.... Hopefully this forum will have less racist ill-informed info than Facebook?!
This documentary explains it pretty well: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/
😂 at Mashr - so true
Irans “religious leaders” have sworn to eliminate the state of Israel, with nukes and ballistic missiles they could do overnight.
Do they care that the US and the remnants of the IDF would reduce Iran to radioactive glass in retaliation, for the most zealous I doubt it, it would be glorious martyrdom.
Trumps nuclear arsenal has many checks and balances that have evolved over the 70 years the US has had nuclear weapons to stop a dodgy launch and if the military decided it was illegal they would hopefully talk him out of it or stop it.
Trumpy decided he was going to rub out the Iranian General when he got the chance. The General was probably viewed simultaneously by the ruling elite in Iran as a national hero and a mortal threat to them given the volatile nature of the politics.
Trumpy presented them with a fait accompli then said they could chuck a few missiles at the empty end of a few half run-down bases to save face.
What neither side factored in, and what dumbass people who think they are being clever never factor in, was the **** up factor.
So a jittery air defence captain gets all trigger happy and shoots at the first thing that crosses his radar screen and nearly two hundred innocent people die.
****’s sake.
conspiracy theory from me, maybe I've watched too much homeland. Chances some american assets were on that plane? you know the spy type asset? anyway will never know. RIP the innocents
conspiracy theory from me, maybe I’ve watched too much homeland. Chances some american assets were on that plane? you know the spy type asset? anyway will never know. RIP the innocents
Crossed my mind too, but Hanlon’s razor says probably not.
Think this should be posted as a reminder in all papers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Shootdown_of_Flight_655
The Iranians are out protesting again against their government's misshandlung of the plane.
GF's dad is Iranian. He was telling me that some Iranians actually welcome the sanctions as it puts more pressure on their government to change/another revolution. Some people think Trump is a good thing.
All a matter of perspective....
That's a strange conclusion, no it's a reminder that shit happens when they play the game of shooting at eachother. and that it's not just the Russians and Iranians shooting down airliners.
Ah the old empire knew how to deal with these pesky Irainians. 😨 Obviously all the experts on Iran will know about this but just found this out myself. Not talked about much I'd expect.
Not quite an unbiased report if wiki is anything to go by.
That is exactly how I thought it was....thanks!
@mashr that's exactly how I imagined it.... 😉
So the root cause is Iran and Israels ancient feud.... But luckily America is on hand to look out for the oppressed people... (do they do this in all global disputes or only those in which they have a vested interest)
Seems to me unfathomable from my naive, little house in the prairie, but there seems to be an unbelievable amount of experts on radio 4 with intimate knowledge of ballistics and tactics, educated gentle sounding women with milatary knowledge, old guys with a passion for tactics and counter tactics.... Am I just a massive hippy or is this not bizarre.... In this day and age.... Why can we all not just get along... Haha!!