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Right off to kip. Looks like I'll be waking up to another 4 years of Trump.
Which is nice.;-)
I'd read last week about the red mist where republican votes get counted earlier due to small rural districts finishing their count first but this feels bigger than that , at least that's the feeling I get from the radio coverage , listening to LBC at work .
Have I just woken up to a trump victory?
Looking like it tbh
There needs to be a long hard look at what it is that creates such a gap in ideas and understanding. There is such a gulf between ‘how is he even the candidate’ to the fact that it’s close enough that it looks like he’s winning. Ugh, this is terrible!
Hoping it’s a bit of a red mirage.
Only awake because I’m sick, but this isn’t making me feel any better…
It’s looking more and more like it’s going to be a Landslide for DT and the Republicans in both the Senate and the House. 🙁
Going to be tough for Ukraine :((
... and America 🙁
Republicans have got the Senate.
Just woken up & looked at the beeb, oh ****.
Woke up…..check results………need heavy dose of ketamine to dissociate my mind for the next 4 years
****....
Hard not to give up on the concept of democracy at this point. I mean, an obviously senile old doddering narcissistic fascist who can barely string a sentence together, vs an intelligent articulate thoughtful…..black woman.
Just woken up to this unfurling nightmare. How does the US elect such a person.
Absolute ****ing idiots. Once is forgiveable. Anyone can make a mistake or have a bit of a protest against the status quo but, twice! What the actual ****? You have a highly educated, erudite, articulate lady versus a criminal covered in Cuprinol shades of burned orange wood stain.
Oh hang on, she's a woman and she's not white.
America .. and by that I mean the majority of American voters - are truly bonkers.
*Side note. It was amusing yesterday to see the BBC using pictures of Trump at his most fake tan orange? #nobias@bbc
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Wow. This is not what I expected (or wanted) to see this morning.
I don't understand people, I really don't.
Even if Trump wasn't a bit of human garbage, the fact he's 78 would put me off voting for him.
My dad is 2 years younger and there's no way I'd want him in charge of anything more taxing than the weekly shop.
If somehow Harris comes back to win this and I don't think she will there will riots and allegations of election fraud on steroids. There is no good ending in sight now.
America .. and by that I mean the majority of American voters – are truly bonkers.
Why? It’s this sort of arrogance which has resulted in a fascist being elected. If you tell voters there is no alternative to a system that doesn’t serve them the voters will respond with a big **** you! America is about to learn the same lesson we did in 2016. You think the democrats would have learned the first time but they’re so far up their own backsides that can’t see what is obvious to everyone else.
Western liberal democracy has been devoured by oligarchic neoliberal capitalism and voters have decided they’ve had enough.
Such a strange country
... voters have decided they’ve had enough.
What you reap is what you sow. Well done, voters - well done.
Just woken up to this and it's not helped my current grumpy mood at all. This is going to have a massive negative impact on the world. 🙁
That's not the only theory for why Trump gets votes Daz. The changing demographics of the US leading to people holding their noses and voting for whoever is the most anti immigration is another.
What you reap is what you sow. Well done, voters – well done.
FFS it’s not the voters, it’s the **** centrist do-nothing more of the same idiot politicians who think they can serve up the same shit sandwich election after election and assume everyone will still vote for them. The Democrats have got exactly what they deserve.
people holding their noses and voting for whoever is the most anti immigration is another.
Yes of course the ‘they’re all racists’ narrative. Maybe they are but ask yourself why? It’s all very well prizing individual rights but keeping a roof over your head and your kids fed will always take priority.
Western liberal democracy has been devoured by oligarchic neoliberal capitalism and voters have decided they’ve had enough.
You might have to show the working out behind this blockbuster of a sentence.
Do you really think the Dem's are the problem?
FFS it’s not the voters, it’s the **** centrist do-nothing more of the same idiot politicians who think they can serve up the same shit sandwich election after election and assume everyone will still vote for them. The Democrats have got exactly what they deserve.
Who puts the tick in the box?
Well 4 years of a complete shit show looks imminent. A convicted sex offender, narcissists and racists president. Well done America.
Yes of course the ‘they’re all racists’ narrative. Maybe they are but ask yourself why?
Predictable as ever Daz. No I'm not calling people concerned about immigration changing demographics as "racists" so pull your head out of your ****.
Ugh, chances are Republicans will take the Senate to so the only hope is they lose the House, I'm guessing even that won't slow Donny down though as he can fall back on Executive Orders and the backing of the Supreme Court 🙁
Do you really think the Dem’s are the problem?
In this case of course they’re the problem. They told people they had no alternative but to vote for Harris and that the people’s concerns about the cost of living, billions being poured into foreign wars, and concerns about immigration were irrelevant and secondary to keeping the Dems in power for no other reason than the fact that Trump is a horrible man. What the f*** did they think would happen with that arrogant and patronising message?
Well that's shit news to wake up to, looking pretty certain that the orange shitgibbon will be given another 4 years of running amok.
You had ONE job America. FFS.
Dems really are in a horrible spot if they cant beat Trump.
for no other reason than the fact that Trump is a horrible man.
That how American politics works, it's personalities and sound bites. One of the reasons Harris has lost is people didn't know who she was despite being VP for the last term. That's on Biden though who he actually had a shot at a second term.
Doesn't look good!
Edit : he just got penn so only 5 points left to win. At least it's not dragging out for ages
Bollocks 🙁
Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks.
What depressing news to wake up to. My last feelings that Americans are better than they are portrayed are shredded.
The only possible positive from this debacle is that the rest of the world and particularly Europe stops following Americas lead and starts to do stuff for itself.
Well done Americans - you've proved to the world how racist / sexist / chauvinistic you really are. I really couldn't care less if Trump builds a wall round the country and you spend the next 4 years mass shooting each other with your 2nd amendment assault rifles - it's Ukraine my thoughts and prayers are directed towards. All that death and bloodshed to be now sold down the river in what will be Trumps idea of 'peace'.
It’ll be a landslide for Trump, the Republicans and to many, proof that 2020 was a rigged election. That’s how Trump will spin it.
It’s a comeback worthy of Lazarus!
Trump has built a firewall of populism around himself
Rape allegations - fake news
Fraud trial - victimisation, fake news
BFFs with epstein - fake news
Tried to overthrow election - fakenews
When the Internet exists and you can put any old nonsense out there some of which seems to be eject funding from Russia!
On top of that has any government survived an election post inflation bomb?
Fertile ground for populism
As Forrest Gump once said "Stupid is as stupid does".......
Ukraine's buggered.
This pretty much nails it.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1854055061925560448
Well done Americans – you’ve proved to the world how racist / sexist / chauvinistic you really are.
Oh give over. See above, all they've done is demonstrated that they are angry and pissed off at the fact they haven't benefitted from economic growth.
The only possible positive from this debacle is that the rest of the world and particularly Europe stops following Americas lead and starts to do stuff for itself.
Europe is going the same way. Far right govts in Italy, Austria, Hungary. Far right parties on the brink of power in places like France and advancing rapidly in the UK, Germany and others. We're just a few years behind the US, but the one thing we can guarantee is that liberal centrist parties across Europe will not learn the lessons in the same way that the Democrats have failed to.
Oh give over. See above, all they’ve done is demonstrated that they are angry and pissed off at the fact they haven’t benefitted from economic growth.
No, they've bought into a narrative that says all their problems are caused by illegal immigrants and foreigners. See also: Brexit.
Oh give over. See above, all they’ve done is demonstrated that they are angry and pissed off at the fact they haven’t benefitted from economic growth.
Trumps campaign and the man himself has gone hard on the racism and sexism, you can't pretend it hasn't been dazh
Oh give over. See above, all they’ve done is demonstrated that they are angry and pissed off at the fact they haven’t benefitted from economic growth.
Sure, there’s definitely some truth to that. But the next step breaks the logic chain which is that those frustrated people decide to vote against the progressive policies and instead vote for the guy with the gold shitter.
See also: Brexit.
edit: lol at Pondo’s identical response.
FFS it’s not the voters, it’s the f***** centrist do-nothing more of the same idiot politicians who think they can serve up the same shit sandwich election after election and assume everyone will still vote for them. The Democrats have got exactly what they deserve.
You say that, but this was an odd election, vote for the 'continuity candidate' or vote for the guy who's already had the job once before. So vote for more of the same or... More of the same?
He's blabbing on stage now.
Western liberal democracy has been devoured by oligarchic neoliberal capitalism and voters have decided they’ve had enough.
You might have to show the working out behind this blockbuster of a sentence.
Do you really think the Dem’s are the problem?
No. But the problem is the Dems are offering more of the same and the Republicans are offering simple solutions to people's problems led by a guy with a reputation as a "tough street brawler"
This sort of thing doesn't help either:
“I’m a Democrat, but I did not give my vote to Harris,” said Gus Tarraf, 51.
“Because my people are getting killed. I’m Lebanese…countries are being destroyed: Gaza, Lebanon. Why would I give my vote to her?”
When you look at the turn out and the landside he has you have to wonder if a lot of Americans are very very right wing.
I know it's a genuinely daft thing to assume but that's no protest vote it's an ideology
Gracious and self effacing as ever...
It's nice to see the Trump fans are as classy as ever!
Forgive my ignorance, but in a divided country with such polarized views, is there scope for a democratic state such as California to seek independance?
No, they’ve bought into a narrative that says all their problems are caused by illegal immigrants and foreigners.
Yawn. Yes they're all racists. We get it. See my comment above though. Why are they racist or have sympathy with that narrative? Because the political system doesn't serve them. They see other people benefitting from either goverment largesse or economic growth while their own experience is higher prices, lower wages and ever increasing economic insecurity. People don't have room in their heads to worry about things like racism and other 'woke' issues when they can't afford to feed their families. That's why the Hispanic vote has flipped to Trump.
Anyway I'm out. I can see this thread/forum going down another sneering and patronising rabbit hole of 'look what the rednecks have done!' outrage. I bet everyone in Kamala Harris's campaign HQ is thinking the same right now. That's why they lost.
That's a pretty depressing thing to wake up to. Like @supernova, the only positive I can get from this is:
... that the rest of the world and particularly Europe stops following Americas lead and starts to do stuff for itself.
And yeah: the left needs to up its game. Stop playing so nice.
We voted Boris, they voted Trump. We are not so different.
We didn't vote for him twice though...
Well, that's a balanced and erudite outpouring.
You lefties are nothing but vacuous hate filled liars.
There are no lefties on here. Probably only a few on the entire forum, but not on this thread so far.
Oh the leader of the free world is doing an amazing speech here
The talking about the rocket was worrying to say the least .
TBH you can see his appeal to the un educated American man
dunno how complicated it really is....i expect plenty of 'folks' thought to themselves that they felt better off in 2018 and that was where the thinking ended.
The only thing Europe is getting closer too is not a love in with the UK.
Well, if Starmer needed any more potent reason to move closer to the EU, there it is.
You're joking aren't you? Just watch, he's going to follow in the wake of every PM before him and stick his nose as far up Trumps backside as he can tolerate. He has no choice, the UK always falls in line and does what it's told.
What fantastic news to wake up to. Great result for Donny, his country and the world.
MAGA MAGA MAGA
Off for a celebratory bike ride.
It’s a real shame too that the American system allows $16bn dollars to be spent on election campaigns. That’s disgusting (both sides)
Think it's pretty much all been said but just watching him rambling on, turns out up until a couple of weeks ago he hadn't even heard of starlink. At least he's not completely out of touch with the world on top of everything else....
As if the news is not bad enough, but we also get Dazh trolling.
Looks like Trump has it in the bag now - declaring victory early as youd expect.
Its very clear the majority of American voters are indeed bonkers.
YMCA as his anthem will never not be both hilarious and utterly perplexing...
turns out up until a couple of weeks ago he hadn’t even heard of starlink. At least he’s not completely out of touch with the world on top of everything else….
Now we wait to see how long until his backers invoke the 25th and install Vance.
Its very clear the majority of American voters are indeed wa
bonkers.
Oh give over. See above, all they’ve done is demonstrated that they are angry and pissed off at the fact they haven’t benefitted from economic growth.
That argument might hold water if Trump hadn't previously been president. I don't think the majority was doing so well then, either. The fact is, they know what they're getting so it's hard to see how this is a protest vote.
Yawn. Yes they’re all racists. We get it.
Do you? Doesn't sound like it. Anyway - as fascinating as it is to plough through this same tiresome old shit for the millionth time, I'll leave you to your celebrations over this triumph of democracy.
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What fantastic news to wake up to. Great result for Donny, his country and the world.MAGA MAGA MAGA
Off for a celebratory bike ride.
I know I shouldn't but I do hope your bike snaps in half. And that you're completely unhurt and just sit in a puddle and have a good think about what a silly little boy you are.
People don’t have room in their heads to worry about things like racism and other ‘woke’ issues when they can’t afford to feed their families.
Looking at the size of most of them, the one thing they can most assuredly do is feed themselves and their families, many times over in fact.